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@Mopac
You possess a nonexistent understanding of reality, everything is personal whim the Gods invented by man don't exist.
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@Mopac
Your claims carry no weight and all you have are claims.
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@Greyparrot
Rumps definition.
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@PGA2.0
Your god was quite keen on slavery and you have yet to prove that your god restores anybody he kills.
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@PGA2.0
The difference is in speaking about someone that has a beginning as opposed to Someone who does not. He is the necessary Being that all other beings derive their existence from. He is self-sustaining. We are not.
That distinction is never mentioned in your claims regarding life, your god does not fit any of definitions you give for living and yet you claim it is living.
Again, you FAILED to answer the question because you can't hear or understand what people are asking you. Your worldview stops you from understanding. Being eternal and the Creator then all life that begins comes from Him.
What question did I fail to answer? Prove your claim of a creator is factual and not just a figment of the IPSS imagination.
If you were eternal, how could you have a beginning? Answer that question.
You have never seen life come from non life and from this you conclude that it cannot happen. You have never seen eternal life so to be consistent you must conclude that eternal life cannot exist.
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@PGA2.0
There is nothing credible written by the IPSS, in fact they lie regularly when they "quote" their god. You've been at great pains to tell me how the OT no longer applies so the above statement must be just another godist lie. To have a relationship with any god only requires the exercise of a persons imagination just like you do.BS. My life is built on the credible testimony of the Bible with transcends the ANE and still applies in its message today; that is there is one way for a person to experience a right relationship with God and humanity without that relationship the person is answerable to God by their merit - what they do.
Because it is reasonable to believe based on the biblical revelation and what we see
So you don't know you just imagine it to be so, have you ever counted up the explanations you give because you imagine that is the answer?
Here again, you treat physical death as if it is the end of our existence - your choice. That is not the way I see life. I believe you have convinced yourself that all you have is here and now based on your limited knowledge and a specific worldview belief. Your belief system denies God. Thus, you are not open to God and afterlife. I think you feel it is in your best interest to deny God.
Death is the end, placing a meaningless descriptor before the word is the result of your abject fear of death, it's pathetic to see a grownup do that and it's not a choice it's inevitable. You are so afraid of death that you have almost convinced yourself that it won't happen to you, that is gargantuan fear. All gods are the creation of men, they don't exist for me to deny them. The hubris of someone who believes in an afterlife is unbelievable. Keep pretending.
Why do you continue to present the yabberings of the IPSS?
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@PGA2.0
When two human beings mate the result can only be a human being [if fertilization takes place].
Here is the godist lie writ large, the bolded is not a part of that alleged quote, but the truth is not somewhere a godist dare approach.
I have constantly made the distinction but because I may not have put it in here you jump all over it to mislead. What is more, you do not supply any more of the actual context. It is very easy to misrepresent someone by not supplying the full context or ignoring other contexts where the rest of the subject has been included.
You have never made the distinction and the context is that billions of humans mate with billions of humans everyday and what you claim happens is an outright lie, but de rigeur for a godist.
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@PGA2.0
No, you are wrong. I apply the same standard to all human beings. It is wrong to kill (murder) an innocent human being regardless of whether you are male or female. I believe ALL human beings should be treated with dignity and respect. I believe that moral wrong should be fought against, regardless of whether you are male or female.
You deny all women's right to their bodily autonomy you don't do that to men, you are hypocritically lying.
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@PGA2.0
Whatever innocent human life God takes He restores.Prove it or admit you are lying.
Jesus said the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these as He pointed to little children.
I asked you for proof not another claim. It's patently obvious that your god doesn't restore them and you can't prove otherwise, lies don't cut it.
Twaddle deleted for it's nonsense value.
What happens to the souls of the aborted.
I believe they are with God in heaven, but the point is that those who kill them or are accomplices are guilty of wrong before God. Without repentence and trust in the Savior, those who condone abortion will be judged for their sin. Only God has the right to take an innocent life because only He is able to restore it.
So the abortionist has done them the greatest service they can ever have. Your argument is self defeating, the aborted fetus enjoys the eternity of paradise and not the short time afforded it with birth, do you hate these fetuses?
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@Alec
Other than a need to be seriously mentally impaired, nothing.
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@Greyparrot
He is so stupid he thought they were applauding him, btw it was women applauding women pure anathema to the misogynist pumpkin when someone eventually told him. His followers are even stupider than he is that's why they get their mummies to vote.
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@PGA2.0
I disagree. What would you expect from a living, thinking, rational, logical Being?You would expect to find life coming from life, as living beings producing other living beings is all you ever witness.Therefore your imaginary god cannot be living, well said. From what living being did your god come?
How can an eternal Being come from anything? He always is, a necessary Being transcending time. Thus, life comes from the living! No contradiction there.
So your god can't be living given the definitions you gave above.
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@Mopac
So what you are having an identity issue, because God wasn't invented.
Oh yes he was, just like all Gods he was invented by man.
You would not exist without God.
Gods would not exist without man to invent them.
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@PGA2.0
Why SHOULD slavery be abolished?
And here is the evidence that your allegedly unchanging standard is inferior to my moral standards.
consistently by God's righteous standards
Hitler and Stalin were adamantly living by your god's righteous standards, their attempts at genocide prove that.
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@PGA2.0
Prove that the god created by IPSS is eternal, your entire life is built on the writings of the IPSS. Fancy relying on their ignorance and superstition.How can an eternal Being come from anything? He always is, a necessary Being transcending time. Thus, life comes from the living! No contradiction there.
Are you? You have a universe without meaning, intention, or purpose, and you cannot explain why it is here with any certainty because you don't have what is needed for certainty, yet you pontificate your silly ideas.
We actually share the same universe but in your mind your universe is different because you have a man made god who created it for the sole purpose of creating the laws that govern it. How very sad.
He had a purpose in creating the universe.
How do you know?
Your worldview has no purpose for the universe, thus it is you who are engaged in the tomfoolery, for ultimately what does it matter, it's meaningless, and I do not take stock in anything you say since your bias and prejudice is asserted into everything you say - everything, IMO.
And here it is your abject fear of death writ large. "I'm too important to just die, I deserve better, there must be something after this, I must have a purpose for evolving like everything else on this planet but I'm better than everything else. They die but I can't I'm important I deserve to live forever in paradise, I can't just die I can't." You don't take any stock in what I say because it's true and the truth is you will die like everything else that has evolved on this planet, you can't allow yourself to even approach that truth because it means that to this universe you are not special at all, you live and you die and you are once again unaware because you no longer exist. That scares the bejesus out of ya.
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@PGA2.0
Proven false billions of times a day.When two human beings mate the result can only be a human being.
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@PGA2.0
You do not apply an equal standard to all human beings but discriminate and demonize the most helpless.
You do not apply an equal standard to all human beings but discriminate and demonize all women.
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@PGA2.0
Whatever innocent human life God takes He restores.
Prove it or admit you are lying.
What happens to the souls of the aborted.
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@Mopac
Oh chicken little we mean no harm, it's just that your warnings come from IPSS and are really stupid.I know my warnings will fall on the ears of the deaf
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@PGA2.0
I usually start with one of two arguments for God because I think they are most effective, the argument for morality and the argument for prophecy as a revelation from God.
Your first argument is destroyed by all of the IPSS writings you worship.0-1
Your second argument loses all credibility by the prophesy and it's alleged fulfillment existing in a book filled with fiction and fantasy, a book of lies.
I would also argue that the proof for the Christian or biblical God is far and superior to any other worldview, including the atheistic or naturalistic one.
It is a fact of life that gods are the creation of mankind, they never existed before mankind invented them.
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@PGA2.0
I disagree. What would you expect from a living, thinking, rational, logical Being?You would expect to find life coming from life, as living beings producing other living beings is all you ever witness.
Therefore your imaginary god cannot be living, well said. From what living being did your god come?
You would expect to find reasons for the creation. You find laws of nature that are expressed by mathematical formula and principles that are DISCOVERED, not put there by us thinking it.
Are you serious, I mean really? The reason your mythical god created the universe is because he wanted to create the laws of the universe? Are you serious? I mean really serious? Your god indulges in meaningless tomfoolery? WOW.
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@PGA2.0
What a laugh! How misogynist because I stand up for the helpless and defend the rights of the unborn over a woman's selfish choice?
You can't even mention the fetus unless you have denied the woman her bodily autonomy, that's what makes you a misogynist, your insistence that women are inferior to you. All women are inferior to you. You have no right to even know what is happening in her body so just fuck off out of it.
This is just a ploy that you do constantly to deflect from the issue and demonize me whereas I'm sure some can identify that it is you who are employing the intolerance.
It's not a ploy it's the whole discussion, your furphies regarding unborn humans is just some new nonsense to replace your earlier unsuccessful arguments about what your pretend friend wants.
BTW how do you justify the 60% of abortions performed by your invisible friend?
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@Greyparrot
Your answers writ large. bahahahahaha
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@Greyparrot
No you won't. It's patently obvious that you can't.Answer mine and I will answer yours.
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@Alec
Just toddle down to your local abortion clinic and bring back one of these aborted humans and display it's human characteristics for me. The golfer only has lies but as a redneck that's all you need.
BTW what is your claim?
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@WisdomofAges
I'm an atheist and I don't know what you are.
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@Alec
A course in reading comprehension would benefit you if you weren't terminally bewildered.
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@Alec
Should a woman have the right to control their body to the extent of killing another human?
Why do you people continue with this lie, nobody is being killed.
The answer to both of these questions is no. If you want to complain about misogyny, complain about the sex based abortions (killing the fetus because they are a girl(or a boy)) the left has kept legal in the US.
Try to get an education and not an indoctrination. Left and right is the language of the terminally bewildered.
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@PGA2.0
How is your dehumanizing of muslims going? Tell me all about muslims.
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@PGA2.0
You continue to run away from the discussion taking place, that discussion concerns a woman's right to bodily autonomy, I don't care how misogynistic you are you have no right to deny her that right. Stick to the subject.
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@Mopac
"Something that is the supreme, final, and fundamental power in all reality"
By this definition your ultimate reality is contingent on reality, it is a part of reality. That contradicts everything you've written and it comes from your holiest of holy books Merriam-Webster.
I know what I believe, and my faith is older than English.
Then why do you rely so heavily on an English dictionary in your arguments. The same book proves your claims false.The ultimate reality does not mean god unless you belong to certain religions, making your claim dishonest at best.
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@PGA2.0
Your assertion of an afterlife has not one shred of evidence.Thanks for your assertions lacking one shred of evidence!
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@PGA2.0
You are the puddle and your hubris won't allow you to accept it, the hole was specifically designed for your shape. That is hubris beyond measure, the meaning and purpose you have allegedly found is dying and living in the paradise your megalomaniacal god actually did create for you. He's created two holes that perfectly fit your puddle, just how important are you?
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@Mopac
IPSS claim a god's existence. Woohoo, they also claim that bats are birds. PASS.
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@Mopac
Good sense and reason
Tells us that all Gods are the creation of ignorant, primitive, superstitious savages. Carry on.
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@Mopac
Your argumentation is superlative. Huzzah!
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@Mopac
You have argued incessantly that the other realities are not your ultimate reality, how many realities do you have? I've only got one and your man made god doesn't exist in it.We are not talking about a reality or realities.
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@Greyparrot
Does that make him a muslim? Or does it just prove that fanatical christianity is as evil as fanatical islam.
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@Alec
No she didn't that's why she's aborting the fetus. Please use the appropriate terms and words in your arguments, they are stupid enough without using inaccurate words.The women chose to bear the child by having sex without an IUD
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@Vader
Pence believes that he shouldn't and by extension men shouldn't be alone in a room with a woman who is not his wife.
Which religion do you know of that teaches that?
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@PGA2.0
You are so ignorant. Tell me what a woman is thinking before during and after an abortion, truly ignorant and yet prepared to spout that ignorance from the highest mountain and not feel any cognitive dissonance about it. The abortion doctor is given permission to perform a medical procedure on her body the same as you would need to give permission to a doctor to perform a medical procedure on your body. Being indoctrinated to reject individual thought is one of the saddest things I see in godists.
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@Mopac
If you never existed would your ultimate reality exist and prove it.
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@PGA2.0
Here you go with your charges and maligning of my character again. It is a typical ploy of a leftist liberal who doesn't have a sufficient answer so they vindictively attack the character of the person rather than the argument. It is done by Democrats in your country every day and it is pathetic.
You are really pitiable.
The below is an absolute LIE.
You deceive yourself by thinking a woman should have the right to kill another human being.
Calling out your lies is not a personal attack it is a service to you, it gives you the chance to reevaluate your life choices and improve as a human being. Lying is required by god belief and I'm trying to get you to be honest.
You fail to understand the change in covenants and the purpose of the Old Covenant
Does your bible order that non virgin wives be stoned to death? Yes
Is that a biblical standard? Yes
Are you claiming that that standard has changed? Yes.
Do you claim that the standard for your morality (biblical standard) is unchanging? Yes
Without any personal attack I've proven conclusively that you lie.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
BOOM headshot.The phrase 'beyond reproach' definately means something different than what you think it means, by the way.
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@PGA2.0
You firmly believe that you have more right to every woman's body than they have, you do realise that that is insanity.
You misrepresent me. Where have I ever stated I have a right to a woman's body?
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What I have argued is that the woman's rights should not exceed the rights of the unborn by causing its death. What is discomfort for nine months as weighed or contrasted to death?
In order to get to the fetus you need to take control of the woman's body from her, you are obviously well short of comprehending that very simple FACT. And don't ever inject that misogynist canard about 9mths of discomfort again, you know you are lying you are a man and have no right to discuss every woman's body as if you own it. Go and pray to your infanticidal, genocidal god and pray for nuclear Armageddon (Trump Style) so billions of real humans can be killed.
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@Mopac
Another admission of submission, you may go now.
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@Mopac
I accept your submission.
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