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@Alec
Would you "stay out of" a black person being enslaved? What is the difference between abortion and slavery, (excluding the magnitude of both)?
Your red herring is absolutely stupid. If you can't understand the difference between abortion and rape that is understandable as an anti abortionist you believe you have right over the woman's body just like a rapist does.
Whose morality? Yours?It's a scientific claim.
MORALITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SCIENCER
Science confirms that a fetus is a human being. If someone believed that rape was okay, they are allowed to believe that? Yes. Are they allowed to act on their morality to the extent of raping someone? No. Because of this, the government should enforce their anti-rape views on would be rapists.
You keep avoiding the question, it's really pathetic.
Just as the government should enforce anti-rape views on rapists, they should enforce anti-abortion views on women(and men too). How do they enforce it on men? By not allowing them to ditch the women that he gets pregnant.
Pro lifers are no different to rapists. They both feel they have the right to any woman's body. Fuckin' numpty.
Your morality and ethics claim that women are second class and don't deserve the rights you demand for yourself.
I deleted this crap.
You demand that women don't have rights, you are a liar.
When have I said that? I have said that killing babies is wrong, no matter who does it.
Your entire argument is based on your belief that all women are subject to your pathetic misogynist rule.
ANSWER THIS QUESTION
Tell me what gives you the right know to what happens in any woman's body?
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@Vader
And that makes Hinduism and Islam and Jainism and Catholicism just as true as yours. You people just don't get how your justification for the rightness of your religion is EXACTLY the same justification that ALL religions use.No it is not because religion does more good than harm. A child is uncapable of making the decision whether he wants to stay reilgious at 18. It is up to the parents to show him religion
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@Vader
Our religion does not encourage that. Orthodox Christianity is a peaceful religion. Please check your stuff before?
The IPSS who supply everything you know about the god you worship tells you that your god endorses rape, slavery, genocide, infanticide and human sacrifice and that is your religion.
Where do you get conflicting information
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@Stephen
The result of worshiping the figment of primitive imaginations.
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@Mopac
I don't hate your god, it doesn't exist. I am though showing you that your beliefs are asinine beyond refute. That is why you need to resort to such a silly non sequitur
Your beliefs contradict your beliefs and you have no valid response..
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@Mopac
Not at all. The individual made that choice when they decided they didn't care about the truth anymore.
So you now claim that your god sees you in hell and you can do something that will prove his knowledge wrong and prove he isn't all knowing.
We were given free will by God. Just because God knows what we are going to do does not mean that God dictates what we do.
This is meaningless in relation to the matter under discussion. Before creation your god saw my entire life of choices and my spending eternity in hell and he still created me to satisfy his psychopathic sadism. Good God.
So if you find yourself in hell, just remember.. God didn't put you there. You chose to be there.
God created me for the pleasure he gets from torturing me for eternity, because before he created anything he saw me in hell and created me anyway. He's the only one who can put me in hell. Try a little thinking, it doesn't take much.
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@Greyparrot
He points to the cameramen, the reporters, the journalists and sound recordists at his rallies for the brain dead and calls them the enemy of the people. But go ahead and accept his fake news, how do you explain alternative facts. Water is wet but in pumpkin land the alternative fact is that water is dry. 8,000 lies and counting.
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@Mopac
Your opinion is lovely but you know what they say about opinions.
Good luck with that.
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@Mopac
What an insane proposal. Only a godist could be so ridiculous. Why do people in your church marry?
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@Mopac
It is what you teach you just don't have the courage to acknowledge or address it.
God can see the end and beginning of all things.
God can see you in hell before creation so he creates you for the sole purpose of torturing you for eternity, that's your claim.
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@Alec
Then stay out of it. The pro life movement has no place in a woman's body, so stay out of it. Whose morality? Yours? Your morality and ethics claim that women are second class and don't deserve the rights you demand for yourself. You demand that women don't have rights, you are a liar. Keep out of a woman's body unless she gives you permission. Just stay out.It has nothing to do with me. This is what makes the pro life movement selfless. They have nothing to gain or to lose from their position, so their position comes entirely from morality, ethical consistency, and science. Despite this, they advocate for others to have rights. You can make a similar argument for slavery. If slavery doesn't affect me, should I still allow others to be slaves? No. Just because something doesn't affect me doesn't mean I shouldn't advocate against it. Otherwise, slavery would still be legal. Women couldn't vote.
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@Greyparrot
Why do NPC's flock to this site?
And continually allow you to prove how ignorantly foolish you are?
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@DeusVult
Who says?P1 - Humans have inalienable rights.
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@DeusVult
What child?
And what right do you think you have over every woman's body?
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@Alec
Start by using correct nomenclature.
How do you know the woman is pregnant and what does it have to do with you?
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@PGA2.0
The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998),
This is the same Keith Moore who believes that Muhammad is a messenger of God. Do you give credence to all of his beliefs?
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@witchy
People don't say that, they say all sorts of things about you none of them as vitriolic or hateful as what you say but everyone realises that you are the last person to be condescending. We know what an abysmally poor opinion you have of yourself and it's well deserved.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I think witchy is mad cos she didn't.
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@PGA2.0
What language did you say Adam wrote in?
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@Mopac
Don't you get embarrassed when you realise you don't have an answer for any question you are asked? Not one!
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@DeusVult
There most certainly was though, the unchangeable has changed. You need to find truth.Limbo was a theological construct. It may have been assumed to practically be doctrine because of its widespread communication. It is not doctrine and there is no official teaching on the fate of the unborn.
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@Mopac
And as such, God can see the end and beginning of all things.
So your god deliberately creates people to torture them for eternity. Good God.
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@Mopac
There is only One Church.
You need to get out more.
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@PGA2.0
What language did Adam write in?Moses was instructed by God in collecting the accounts or genealogies that were written down from Adam onwards. Thus there were written records. Also, with the worship of man-made gods, God wanted humanity to understand the truth through His revelation which He used Moses to compile and collect.
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@PGA2.0
So you still stone non virgin brides to death, do you?Because morality is a mindful process and it needs an absolute, unchanging, fixed measure for it to be logical and made sense of.
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@PGA2.0
A clear demonstration that your unchanging standard is not unchanging. Carry on.I'm not very familiar with it. Are you speaking of the Ten Commandments or the 613 Mosaic laws? Some things God commanded were necessary for justice in the ANE. That culture is different in many ways from ours. Some principles or morals such as "Do not kill, steal, lie, covet, are principles that everyone should obey but we don't, hence humanities inhumanity.
Are you stoning non virgin brides to death?
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@PGA2.0
Proving conclusively that the NT lies.The NT says that one day every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will confess He is Lord.
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@PGA2.0
The book can say what it wants. Adam and Eve are not my ancestors, your god did not create me, your heaven and hell have nothing to do with me.
Your choice but what is it based upon?
All of the evidence available
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@Mopac
Thus proving Jesus didn't have a pure heart. Oh dear.The inability to be tempted could be seen as a fruit of a pure heart.
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And since atheists never make that claim you can't make your claim. Well done.
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@Mopac
So it was already gods plan to do what you requested and your request was unnecessary and meaningless. You prayed for your god to do what your god was already doing.
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@Vader
You are not understanding what I've written. The IPSS that you worship endorses rape, slavery, genocide, infanticide and human sacrifice and that is your religion.
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@Vader
You support raping and killing because your IPSS support it. OK.
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@Vader
That is exactly what the IPSS endorses, why are you against it?Without it, the world would have no moral compass and everyone would rape and kill and it would be legal
I don't have a religion and my morals are infinitely superior to those of the IPSS from whom you get yours.
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@Vader
We believe in our church that being gay is a sin
What you believe is what IPSS wrote and it has no influence on reality. Homosexuality is natural unlike religion which is completely unnatural.
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@Ramshutu
You're never gonna get a godist or right winger in this thread.
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@Vader
Yeh Goldy his mummy told him everything he spews and his mummy is always right.
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@Greyparrot
So just set up the tax system that doesn't allow that. It's not rocket surgery.
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@Greyparrot
The 1%ers efforts to delude the poor has certainly taken root in you.
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@Greyparrot
Again Scandinavia has a higher standard of living than the US. Socialism rules.
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@Greyparrot
If only we taxed our poor like Sweden does, none of these socialist politicians would be welcome at any venue.
Their would only be the stupidest of wingnuts still decrying socialism, you mean.
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@Ramshutu
I think you may have been in Washington and it was a Fascist dictatorship. But I may be wrong.
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@Alec
I personally believe that if a man causes a woman to get pregnant, that he should not be allowed to ditch her and must provide emotional support for the duration of the pregnancy. If a woman can't get out of a pregnancy, a man shouldn't be allowed to either and I'm fine with that.
Stay on track the discussion concerns a woman's right to her bodily autonomy, not some random tangent rattling around in your bonce.
Using this logic, why would cops even exist? It's not like the criminal hurts them. They exist to give rights to others. Just as the pro life movement is trying to give rights to others.
More rambling nonsense unrelated to every woman's right to her bodily autonomy. Stick to the subject. The pro life movement demands that a woman, not a man, a woman has no right to her bodily autonomy, they demand that women's rights are stripped from them. Misogynists.
BTW I've presented the same argument since my first post, can't you read? Get mummy to read and explain my posts to you.
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@PGA2.0
This is the same Keith Moore who believes that Muhammad is a messenger of God. Do you give credence to all of his beliefs?The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998),
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@PGA2.0
No you want bodily autonomy for men but not for women, that's hypocritical.I want the law applied equally.
How do you know the woman is pregnant and what does the condition of her body have to do with you.
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@Alec
But at least it would give them a reason to cry and they should be separated from their children who are locked in cages, you know redneck racists need a reality check.
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@Greyparrot
You don't understand economics do you?
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