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@Alec
My questions are all beyond your capacity to answer and you therefore are obligated to run away, poor you.
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@Alec
And how the fuck would you know that?It is better for a woman to endure some emotions temporarily from giving birth
Death is one of the worst things, if not the worst thing you can do to someone.
And how the fuck would you know that?
I would consider it at 5 weeks, when the cells specialize.
And how the fuck would you know that?
Science considers it to be about 23 weeks and they know immeasurably more than you as you prove with every line you type.
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@Tradesecret
Then one man bringing death into the world is a lie, the word of your god is a lie. Well done.Death obviously existed prior to the fall of man
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@Tradesecret
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Did your god know that the rock didn't fall on the car?
Question too hard for you. Here's an easier one: does your god know all?
It's a crying shame when your beliefs are confronted by reality and logic, isn't it?
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@Tradesecret
Don't be frightened little one, my command of the English language and my ability to reason being greater than yours is no reason for you to have a hissy fit.
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@Tradesecret
How does omniscience make God evil?
Now this is a hypothetical based on your claim that god KNOWS everything so don't go and get all confused.
[God knows that you (generic) are in hell, god knows this before he creates you, obviously the only reason for your creation is to torture you for eternity.]
That's EVIL
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@Tradesecret
But moral in the sense that he determines what is right and wrong. I take the view that morality is truly following God's morality.
So you believe in divine command, if god does it it's moral like infanticide, genocide and human sacrifice.
with absolutes - and science
Oh lordy lordy, you do get confused. There is nothing scientific in your beliefs or your morality.
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@Tradesecret
Did your god know that the rock didn't fall on the car?
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@Mopac
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And that is why iconoclasm is a heresy, and what is nihilism but an extreme form of iconoclasm?
Are you sure about this?
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@Tradesecret
If your god knows all then he knows that he changed his mind and therefore did not change his mind at all. What he knows is what exists .
God: A rock will fall on that car
human: god don't let that rock fall on the car.
Result rock doesn't fall on car.
God knows all and therefore knows that rock doesn't fall on car, it was never going to otherwise god would not know all.
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@keithprosser
Nothing at all to do with my argument. My argument can be summed up as god's omniscience makes god evil.
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@Swagnarok
He no longer has ambition to build new hotels in America if he prevents cheap Mexican labour from entering the country.
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@Greyparrot
You've never understood a compass I see
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@oromagi
Ripper avatar.
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We must remember that Germany had a wall for half a century and Solid Dump has it on good authority (V.Putin) that no Mexicans ever breached that wall and that's good enough for him.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Poor Mop hears words and wants to use those words because he thinks those words make him important, unfortunately he doesn't know what those words mean and consistently uses them in the wrong context and only looks stupidly ignorant as a result. He wants to look educated and important but comes off just looking ignorant.
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@Vader
How many nihilists do you know?
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@Mopac
And that is why iconoclasm is a heresy, and what is nihilism but an extreme form of iconoclasm?
Are you sure about this?
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@Mopac
You don't have a clue what I believe so stop lying.
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@keithprosser
I am only using the teachings of Mop's religion, his god is all knowing. My argument has consistently allowed for his god to know the past, present and future simultaneously, ergo if god sees Fred in hell there is no chance that Fred will not be in hell because god sees him there. God sees Fred in hell before he creates Fred but goes ahead and creates him anyway, he creates Fred for the sole purpose of torturing him for eternity.You are assuming god cannot know ahead of time what a person with true free-will will choose. Agreed that is impossible for humans but"Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” (Matt 19:26).
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Ummm no. I have wonderful meaning in my life but religion is the opiate of the masses and it begins with them teaching the young who have brains like a sponge to fear death. People need to embrace life in all it's beauty because it's all we have. We evolved on this rock through the exact same processes as the dinosaurs, are they now living for eternity in paradise or do any of the godists claim they are?
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@eventuality001
Rape and Slavery were punished by a FULL Automatic DEATH penalty.
Rubbish. Slavery was practiced regularly by the Jews even sex slavery which is continual rape, you need to read the book. You don't know what you are talking about.
Pay a few bob and marry the poor victim, what a stupid response.
OF COURSE - THE FATHER WOULD BE ALLOWED TO PREVENT HIS DAUGHTER FROM MARRYING A RAPIST.
Could she?
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@Mopac
Are you sure about this?And that is why iconoclasm is a heresy, and what is nihilism but an extreme form of iconoclasm?
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@keithprosser
No he can't because god sees him in hell and god is all knowing.'Ralph' does not know his fate. He can choose to be Christian at any time, as can you.
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@Mopac
You are the proof of your nihilism.
Can't answer questions honestly so you lie. Poor thing.
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@Mopac
You can't answer the questions so you do what every godist does and resort to lying, it's all the likes of you have.You don't believe in God, so your questioning amounts to little more than mockery.
Question.Henry dies and goes to hell.Did your god know that Henry would end up in hell?Does your god know everything?Did your god create Henry knowing that he was in hell?Why would your god do that?
Got any answers LIAR?
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@Mopac
Disgusted doesn't believe anything he argues, he's a nihilist.
Is lying all you have. Prove your claim true. You can't because you worship lies, it's your religion.
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@Mopac
Don't be so scared.
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@Mopac
Can't you read?
Does your god know all. Past, present and future as the same as you claim?
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Question.
Henry dies and goes to hell.
Did your god know that Henry would end up in hell?
Does your god know everything?
Did your god create Henry knowing that he was in hell?
Why would your god do that?
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@Mopac
Yes it does, by teaching that your god is all knowing and that hell exists. Your god's omniscience has your god knowing that Jo is in hell before Jo is created and yet your omniscient omnipotent god creates Jo anyway. Your god creates Jo for the purpose of torturing Jo for eternity.The Church does not teach that some souls are destined to be damned.
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@keithprosser
It doesn't matter what Ralph knows it matters what god knows. God knows Ralph is in hell before he creates anything and yet he still creates Ralph for that specific purpose. To torture him for eternity. We are discussing an omniscient and omnipotent god's behaviour.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I can't supply any belief, I have, that conforms to the descriptions I gave.
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@keithprosser
God knows Ralph is in hell and creates Ralph anyway, god creates Ralph for the sole purpose of torturing Ralph for eternity.
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@Mopac
Anything to justify your hatred of God as usual.
Point out the hatred. Oh that's right you're a LIAR for Jesus.You continuously make claims you can't support and then run away when challenged to support them.
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Not at all. The individual made that choice when they decided they didn't care about the truth anymore.
So you now claim that your god sees you in hell and you can do something that will prove his knowledge wrong and prove he isn't all knowing.
We were given free will by God. Just because God knows what we are going to do does not mean that God dictates what we do.
This is meaningless in relation to the matter under discussion. Before creation your god saw my entire life of choices and my spending eternity in hell and he still created me to satisfy his psychopathic sadism. Good God.
So if you find yourself in hell, just remember.. God didn't put you there. You chose to be there.
God created me for the pleasure he gets from torturing me for eternity, because before he created anything he saw me in hell and created me anyway. He's the only one who can put me in hell. Try a little thinking, it doesn't take much.
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@Mopac
God is not a contingent existence. The Ultimate Reality cannot be contingent on anything
According to your holiest of holy books, Merriam Webster your ultimate reality is contingent on reality.
: something that is the supreme, final, and fundamental power in all reality
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Why witchy and from where do you get erroneous claims.
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@Mopac
You attack God because the opposite of nihilism is accepting that God exists. You are trying to justify yourself.
I keep telling you and you continue to lie about it but I don't attack your god, it doesn't exist, I bring attention to the contradiction and stupidity of your beliefs. Please learn to comprehend and respond to what I write and not what you would like me to write otherwise you only respond to yourself.
You certainly aren't trying to help anyone. It is very apparent to me that you are only thinking of yourself.
I don't need to convince me, your errors are as plain as day to me so I'm definitely not thinking of myself.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Belief doesn't require surety, it doesn't even need reason belief just is.
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@Tradesecret
There is no evidence in the bible at all for anything.but there is no evidence from the bible that this would be the case.
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@Mopac
And no, it isn't because I dislike Hindus. It is simply a bad idea.
Because someone told you so. Well done you.
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@PGA2.0
or gods that are contradictory in nature
Do you mean like your god who IS love?
2 The LORD is a jealous and avenging God; the LORD takes vengeance and is filled with wrath. The LORD takes vengeance on his foes and vents his wrath against his enemies.3 The LORD is slow to anger but great in power; the LORD will not leave the guilty unpunished. His way is in the whirlwind and the storm, and clouds are the dust of his feet.4 He rebukes the sea and dries it up; he makes all the rivers run dry. Bashan and Carmel wither and the blossoms of Lebanon fade.5 The mountains quake before him and the hills melt away. The earth trembles at his presence, the world and all who live in it.6 Who can withstand his indignation? Who can endure his fierce anger? His wrath is poured out like fire; the rocks are shattered before him.
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@PGA2.0
First it was Moses begging not your god commanding. Now why would a man who commanded an army of 600,000 men need to beg for anything, they could destroy the Egyptian army in a day and just walk out.Your claim is that billions of unbelievers are in your god's heaven? Do you have any biblical passages that support this claim? Why then become a believer?First, Pharaoh would not submit to God's commands to let His people leave Egypt, over and over again. He knew what would work. Second, any innocent life would be restored by God to a better place.
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@Alec
Once again the godist runs away yelling claims of victory back over his shoulder.
I'm always impressed by that< sarcasm>.
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@Mopac
Your lies are easy to spot, I see something you've posted.
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@Alec
You demand that women don't have rights, you are a liar.
When have I said that?
Your entire argument is predicated on it. Where have you ever mentioned the woman (the only person involved) other than calling her a murderer for exercising her right to her bodily autonomy?
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@Mopac
Here we have it folks, the Mop who claims truth has listed ELEVEN LIES in this little paragraph.They are nihilists, they don't believe anything. It is really because they are selfish. If nothing is true, then they can be self righteous. They don't argue honestly because they don't believe anything they say. They say whatever is convenient. They don't have a love for the truth, which is why they have been cursed with strong delusion.
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