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@keithprosser
It's almost as if the gospellers had the OT in front of them as they wrote. Heaven forbid.But there are many points in the gospel story that allude to the OT.
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@ethang5
But it wouldn't warrant a second thought for a god. Meaningless inconveniences if that.Or, if we aren't idiots, we would conclude no sane person wouldn't be hesitant at being flogged, beaten, and tortured for hours.
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@Mopac
So we all know God exists.
An absurd claim. 2/3rds of the population of the planet know your god doesn't exist.
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@Tradesecret
And the bible is far older than 2500 years in any event,
The bible is approx. 1600yrs old, don't you know anything about biblical history?
Yes you said you use your brain. Well so do I.
No you don't, you use the brains of ignorant superstitious primitive savages.
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@Mopac
They are claims, I asked for proof. You won't supply any because there isn't any, all you will find are vague claims.
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@Mopac
Prove it.I will say that every single one of Jesus' apostles was executed or tortured to death in some cruel way.
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@secularmerlin
They don't know how to discuss. Take thang for instance he tries to use a fictional film plot to defend the fictional bible plot, that response is not something that can be taken seriously. They argue using fiction that we are expected to believe is fact, you point out contradictions and they handwave it away. I don't belittle them they belittle themselves and I am generous enough to point that fact out to them.
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@PGA2.0
I accept your surrender.
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@ethang5
Using fiction to prove fiction, what funny stories godists tell.
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@PGA2.0
That doesn't change the fact that you have an immoral code dictated by primitive, ignorant, superstitious bronze/iron age savages. When you can discuss abortion honestly I may engage but that is a highly unlikely scenario. There is no evidence for the alleged prophecies in the bible.
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@Tradesecret
because we are alive, really simple.
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@PGA2.0
You don't have objective morals, you have an immoral code dictated by ignorant, primitive, superstitious savages who you call god.
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@Tradesecret
Reading comprehension fail, yet again. Read what's written not what's rattling around in your bonce.
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@PGA2.0
What?
It does because your god doesn't exist.
Or show me.
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@ethang5
The GoE story was concocted by an ignorant, primitive, superstitious bronze age savage. No reason to believe it at all.
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@Mopac
The vast majority of the people on this planet reject your nonsense. So stop with your ad populum fail.
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@ethang5
Chasing you is a hilarious claim, but understandable from a narcissist like you.
You still don't recognise the relationship between between insurrection and sedition, but that is OK for someone with such a poor understanding of English.
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@ethang5
Insurrection. according to your god.
Get over it.
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@Mopac
And there is no historical mention of this anywhere. The bible is not history. Such an abominable operation would have been recorded by historians of the time.Historical writings do not paint the relationship between Rome and the Jews as being anything but full of tension and animosity. I'm pretty sure that in the Gospel according to Matthew there is even an account of Herod ordering the execution of all the kids under the age of 2.
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@Mopac
You've never defined the ultimate reality and a dictionary doesn't create existence. Your arguments are the vapours of your imagination.
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@PGA2.0
Life concludes with death, over 3 billion yrs of evidence attests to it in opposition to that you have a claim made by ignorant superstitious savages, you lose.
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@PGA2.0
On this side of what?Are you suggesting that we, on this side, can know?
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@PGA2.0
Show me your god.Without God show me your moral standard matters?
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@ethang5
You got all confused with Barnabas and Barabbas, youfool.If you are going to be insulting, it helps not to write like a third grader. Why are you angry anyway?
Oh dear the embarrassed face of defeat, peaking out from the outbuilding at school.
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@Mopac
See, instead of rejecting, you could take the more sensical and honest approach which is... I don't know...
But it's not a matter of "I don't know".
I do know that "There is no evidence of anything outside the observable universe
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@ethang5
Your understanding is non existent. I don't believe a word of the bible, I use the obvious contradictions in the bible to prove the dishonesty of that book written by ignorant, primitive, superstitious bronze/iron age savages.
Perhaps you need a basic education in comprehending the English language.
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@Mopac
Antinomianism seems common these days,
Absolute tosh
and penal substitution seems like it coulld be used as a justification for this.
Absolute tosh
No scriptures involved.
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@Tradesecret
I use my brain, unlike you who uses the brains of primitive, ignorant, superstitious bronze/iron age savages. I find my brain vastly superior to theirs/yours.
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@madman
Wow you're scary, when do you turn 13?
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@ethang5
Your post of quote minig refuted.
7 And there was one called Barabbas, lying bound with them that had made insurrection, men who in the insurrection had committed murder.
Oh and the bible isn't any sort of history as can be seen by these falsities.
400yrs slavery in Egypt.
Exodus
Worldwide Flood
2 or seven of every living thing on earth in a little boat made of twigs for a year.
There's much more, but it ain't history.
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@ethang5
So where were the multitudes that welcomed him into Jerusalem? Why did they not come out in support?
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@PGA2.0
Answer the******* question.
A foetus that your god aborts goes straight to heaven, yes? Where does the foetus a human aborts go?
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@Tradesecret
I don't want to glorify anyone who was created 2500 years ago. In fact I don't want to glorify anything was created. God has existed always and always will. without his existence - we don't exist. "God exists - therefore I am". And the bible is far older than 2500 years in any event, so try and do some homework before you continue your nonsense..
And yet you do. And yet you do. Your god was invented 2.5k years ago and the folks who invented him claimed he had always existed your belief is in man made claims, nothing more.
It really is hard to be serious with someone who thinks right is wrong and that wrong is the solution - especially the path is destruction.
I am absolutely certain that it's impossible to take someone serious who claims that infanticide and genocide are morally righteous, that's your stance and the position of your invisible 2,500yr old friend.
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@ethang5
This is the same crowd that 4 days earlier had swarmed out to meet him and pay homage, to lay their coats and palm fronds for his donkeys to walk on. What happened in those 4 days to make them turn like that?
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@Grugore
You will die, bitter and disillusioned. Then you will meet your Creator, and you will be asked why you rejected Him.
And you base this claim on the folk tales written by primitive, ignorant, superstitious bronze/iron age savages. You'll need a much sounder basis for your claims if you want to be believed.
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@PGA2.0
An innocent person is without sin. The Bible teaches that the wages of sin are death (by the way that is spiritual death/separation from the presence of God for eternity). How could a JUST Judge condemn an innocent person? Answer - He can't. He is just!What is the promise of those born again? It is restored life in God's presence. Jesus continually spoke of the kingdom of heaven.It is a SPIRITUAL kingdom, not a physical kingdom on earth.Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”So when He said the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these, He pointed to the little children. Those He died to save!
Relying on a book of myth and untruths to support your erroneous beliefs is simply absurd. We are discussing human life ie the woman's life and her right to control it.
You produce a fantasy about some fictional character in a book bringing the foetuses he aborts back to life. When I ask you does he do the same for the foetuses humans abort you run away and pretend you don't understand the question.
But I'm being harsh, the real reason you have trouble answering questions is because you have so much religious propaganda dominating your very existence you are incapable entering reality, the place where your fantasies only exist as fantasies.
If you and your fictional god were consistent then aborting a foetus is the best thing that could happen to it. Allegedly they go straight to heaven no matter who aborts them, or are you going to make another claim?
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@Tradesecret
Yes, to a point, I think the purpose of life is to glorify God and to enjoy him forever.
Let's all glorify the fictional insecure narcissist created 2,500yrs ago.
I'll have a real purpose if it's all the same to you.
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@Mopac
None of this is true because as you've already informed us, as a human you are wrong.
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@PGA2.0
You haven't shown me that God never ends an innocent life without restoring it
You haven't answered this: So he restores the life of the "human" that he "murders" what does he do with the ones humans "murder"?
I have no authority over a woman's body (heaven forbid). She does. Don't make this personal. It is a moral issue
It's not a moral issue at all it is all about bodily autonomy and you have no right to interfere.
You keep waffling about "killing human beings" when we are discussing the removal of a growth from a woman's body.
Many people would adopt the child in a heartbeat.
Let them adopt the aborted "child" then. Oh that's right it's not a child, regardless of the lies contained in your preachers propaganda.
If your over 60 then let me tell you that you have wasted your only life and have learned nothing. When you die you will be dead but don't be afraid, you won't know that it's over it'll just be over. No more fairy tales just no more anything.
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@Mopac
In fact nobody believes the same thing about their god as anyone else does, you are a prime example. You are the only one to have ever claimed that god is the ultimate reality. One in 7.5 billion.
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@PGA2.0
BTW golfer just what is it about sending souls to heaven that you object to?
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@PGA2.0
You deny Him. His authority means nothing to you (for now). Every single example I give you will be denied. It is a waste of my time, like it was on the DDO threads.
You haven't shown me that
God never ends an innocent life without restoring it
So he restores the life of the "human" that he "murders" what does he do with the ones humans "murder"?
What gives you more authority over a woman's body than she does? Oh that's right your god teaches you that women are to be controlled by men and your misogyny agrees with that.
If you can't tell the truth about abortion why should I listen to anything you have to say on the subject. Why do you refuse to take on the responsibility of bringing this separate human body to adulthood. Just let it be known far and wide that you will take any aborted separate human body and continue the process of bringing it up.
Your prophesy shtick has been laughed out of every thread you've posted it in.
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@Mopac
Your definition is a tautology.
God is not what God is not.
Oh and look.
god is not what god is not.
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@Mopac
What you say, by your admission, is wrong. I have no reason to believe you.
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@PGA2.0
I can produce tons of quotes from medical textbooks that confirm that human life begins at fertilization.
I can produce more that reject that claim, big deal.
The human being developing in her body is separate from her body because it is a unique human in its own right.
Then there shouldn't be any problem removing that separate body from hers, you could adopt the blastocyst and bring it up like the human you claim it is.
God never ends an innocent life without restoring it
Show me.
You make a lot of claims but never have any evidence to support them.
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@Grugore
You can't explain the universe with a creator.
Why is the universe so vast?
What was the universe created from?
How many planets contain life forms?
What is the distance to the farthest point in the universe from earth?
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@PGA2.0
No one is killing human beings Mr. Godwin. I advocate the protection of a woman's sole right to her own body. I know that invisible friend declares women to be chattels and less than human but only fools believe that.
BTW your invisible friend aborts far more than humans do, what's his excuse?
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@Grugore
So your god wants people to waste their time on him? Oh dear.
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@Tradesecret
What did you say those letters were and you are wrong people (fictional or true) in the bible would not have recognised the word god, big or little g.
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