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@ethang5
This Christmas, millions will recite the Genesis story, words written 6,000+ ago will ring out all over the world. And millions will worship, praise, thank, and adore Him to whom other kings bow.
And multi billions will take no notice of the ridiculous claims made in genesis. The words were actually written about 2,500yrs ago but don't let the truth influence whatever story you want to tell. Billions won't worship or praise this fictional character so your ad populum argument fails as usual.
His name will be reverently whispered by millions in every language in every culture in every corner of the globe. His acts will be re-inacted, His comments spoken again, and millions will find joy and peace in His person and message.
What you mean is that some people will be deluded by the stories about this mythical characters and actually believe, erroneously, that these mythical characters actually said something. It's funny really.
The atheist will be in his dank, dark, corner, fuming and bitter, like a blind ant, shaking his fist at the sun.
You do know that this is just more overwhelming evidence that you have no idea what atheism is and are therefore unqualified in the extreme to even refer to atheists. As an atheist it's obvious from our interactions that I am far happier than you are. But godists are in constant fear and that makes happiness difficult to achieve.
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@eash
sorry, i thought you read what happened when the Chosen People left egypt
They were never there, read some history.
in the sinia YHVH TOLD Moses to build a TENT
In or out of the Sinai a fictional god never told a fictional Moses anything.
You seem to make claims about knowledge that you cannot posses.
Whatever is written in the bible can be unarguably dismissed, read the actions and conversations allegedly recorded in genesis by someone who quite patently didn't exist if the story has even the most minuscule veracity.
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@ethang5
Is that the new standup routine you've been away working on?
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@Greyparrot
So you want government handouts when they keep you rich but you hate government handouts used to feed the poor. You must be a so called christian.
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@Mopac
You wouldn't know how to try and yet none of it makes any sense.
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@Mopac
You are not open to the possibility that your interpretations are faulty,
You see Stephen reading what is written in the bible will make you falsely interpret what the passage you are reading means. In order that you are clear on it's meaning you must invent your own meaning first and then blithely claim that what is written is wrong and you have the right understanding. To be a bible bashing christian you simply must ignore what's written in that book and make your own shit up and claim that's what the bible says.
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@eash
4 million people and livestock wondering a handkerchief sized desert for forty years and they didn't so much as leave a sandle strap or chicken bone. Oh deary me. It didn't happen. They had to beg and let their god have his infanticidal desires met when they had an army of 600,000 men.
The Romans ruled the world in 1AD with an army of 150,000 men. 600,000 cowards does not an army make.
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@PGA2.0
I answered your question most emphatically, you only have lies and can't defend the lies from your book with them.
The question becomes what are you questioning as not factual evidence?
The answer is your bible and the reasons I gave destroy any pathetic rebuttal you may dishonestly attempt, so instead you squeak a bald faced lie and run away crying.
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@EtrnlVw
I'm not asserting anything less than what you are. You ask me a question, you will get an answer (not assertion) from a Theistic point of view. Just like you will assert consciousness is a product of the brain, I'm not just asserting it I'm giving you explanations. I've explained what consciousness is, where it originated, how the soul operates through the body and brain and how the brain and body functions work with our soul inhabiting it. You've offered no argument that I am aware of, and if you did I answered it. I'm not asserting anything, and it's not something I make up, this knowledge has been around well before you and I and I have reasons and experience for my beliefs.
And your evidence for this tripe is your imagination, wow, I'm impressed by your imagination but none of what you assert can be proven true because it exists only in your imagination.
Does Jesus and Moses fly around the god worlds with you?
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Gemini who's two brightest stars are Castor 50.88 light yrs distance to Earth and Pollux 33.72 light yrs distance to Earth. As you can see the two stars in that constellation have no relationship even to each other, or perhaps Pollux has a relationship to ONE of the six stars that are what is called Castor. If you believe that these constellations (man made pictures) have any influence over life on Earth then you need your head read.
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@EtrnlVw
Can you give me a reason to think God is JUST the universe and not the Creator of it?
Can you give a reason that your god created the universe?
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@janesix
You mean the appearance of design. The appearance of design when you compare it to what?
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@Goldtop
And mighty it is.
He doth smite the unbelievers with his throbbing shaft.
And it is written tis a divine turkey slap.
Look ye upon the might of his member and fear it.
So saith the lord of pricks.
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@PGA2.0
The difference between my belief and yours is that you have no hope for a future, only despair as you approach that time or the end. Then you can look back at your life and know that everything was for naught. It meant nothing in the big scheme of things.
I have no fairy tale hope for an afterlife that pacifies your fears, I don't despair of anything except man's inhumanity to man and the rest of the planet, I can look back on my life and be happy and proud. You seem to think that you are so important to the big scheme of things that it would be a waste to the big scheme of things if you didn't go on to become immortal, hubris much?
The other thing that is noteworthy is that God's existence and revelation mean we can know as certain what He has revealed.
You can believe what bronze/iron age primitive ignorant superstitious savages imagined but you can't know anything about what the god they created revealed, you can have a fair idea what the bronze/iron age savages claim their man made god revealed, after all he lived in their imaginations they can have him reveal whatever they want.
What do you know about origins or death that is certain to you? You assume that when you die there is nothing. You assume that the universe happened a particular way, but you don't know for the reason that you don't have what is necessary for certainty.
I don't know anything about origins and neither do you. 3billion yrs of death has proved that it is final, Your frightened fairy tales are pathetic to a grown up. I don't assume anything about the universe I leave that nonsense for the ignorant godists and your certainty is based entirely on the imaginations of bronze/iron age primitive, ignorant, superstitious savages. Good luck, it won't change anything you'll still have reality to deny to pacify your absurd fears.
BTW your morality considers infanticide and genocide as morally righteous, mine considers them atrocities and abominations. I'll stick with my far superior morality.
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@PGA2.0
The question becomes what are you questioning as not factual evidence?
The bible, it's a book of myth, fairy tales, folklore, imagination, fiction and lies.
There was no garden of Eden, read some science. There was no world wide flood, read some science. There was no 400yrs slavery in Egypt, read some history. There was no Exodus, read some archaeology.
There was no-one in the mythical garden to record the actions and conversations purported to have occurred.
There was no-one with Jesus and Satan after the forty days in the desert to record the actions and conversations purported to have occurred.
That's already to much for you to defend, but Moses didn't write anything. Besides being a fictional character his comic book died hundreds of years before the books were written. BTW what language did he write in?
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@Mopac
The funny thing about proof is that if someone rejects all evidence, they can say "There is no proof!" And not be lying because as as long as their mind hasn't been changed, it cannot be said that something had been provennto them.
There is nobody anywhere at anytime who has provided evidence that any god exists. Godists are convinced their wishful thinking is evidence, it's not.
Atheists love to use this language game because they don't believe in truth.
You have no knowledge of what atheists believe or don't believe so this claim is a lie.
They have embraced arbitrariness.
You have no knowledge of what I embrace or don't embrace so once again you lie.
They don't believe anything they say, they say only what they think might sound convincing to some
Once again you claim knowledge that you don't possess and lie as a result.
Atheists don't believe in the truth
Another lie from fear and delusion.
If they don't love the truth
As an ignorant, primitive, superstitious middle eastern savage says, who cares, such words can be dismissed by truth and reality.
they will be forgiven if they turn away from their wickedness
Forgiven by what and for what wickedness and who are you to make such declarations?
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@PGA2.0
Try providing evidence and we'll see if I accept it, so far no evidence has been presented.
What proof would I accept? I'd accept proof, you don't have any that's why you equivocate, obfuscate and pontificate.
Fantasy, make believe and wishful thinking are all you can produce as "proof" and they don't count.
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@3RU7AL
And that is a subjective view, can you produce an objective view?
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@PGA2.0
God exists despite whether your human mind believes in Him.
Prove it.
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@Mopac
Ywhw is a god. Zeus is a God. So Zeus is the ultimate reality, great argument.
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@PGA2.0
"A true belief would provide answers and would be accurate. If you were on the 'right side' of that belief it would be comforting. It would give reassurance of what the future holds for you. "
You mean it pacifies your fear of reality, your fear of death, your fear of the end.
"No, it is not a false dichotomy. Every single person has a worldview that is built on core presuppositional starting points, such as God exists or there is no adequate reason for God's existence (acceptance or denial of God). Depending on where you start is where you look for evidence. If naturalistic means are your starting point then you look for naturalistic explanations. Science is your god, what you bow down to and submit too. "
The non-existence of gods has no discernible impact on my worldview, does the non-existence of Goblins affect your world view in any way?
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@Mopac
Upper or lower case doesn't change the definition, it's simply a language convention. Read the definition I gave for Shen, not something you want to fabricate. God=god, there is no difference.
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@PGA2.0
Special pleading is hereby ridiculed and rejected.
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@EtrnlVw
Let us be clearer, that is baloney. Plenty of people come to the conclusion that there certainly is a Creator of kinds based on reasoning and logic alone. Many people look around at the world and it is obvious to them as well. Logic is based on reasoning and so I don't see how you can say this, especially if you're not a Theist or have spiritual beliefs and are just assuming things.
You've conflated logic with emotion, personal incredulity, ignorance and wishful thinking. That is all.
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@Mopac
The dictionary preacher has surrendered.
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@Mopac
This is the defence of their fantasy world and beliefs that they are forced to employ in order that they not allow reality to breach the fantasies. In fantasy world where they can't support their claims having an outsider asking them to support their claims is an attack designed to silence them. Of course that self preservation routine has no basis in reality but neither do any of their beliefs.
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@Mopac
Stick to the story. No mention of ultimate reality for Shen/God. Your argument fails.
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@Mopac
"Well, know that I am not saying God exists because God is in the dictionary. That is not my argument."
That has been your entire argument since you got here, try to have a modicum of honesty and respect and decency.
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@Mopac
Shen is the Chinese word for "god", "deity", "spirit" or theos. This single Chinese term expresses a range of similar, yet differing, meanings. The first meaning may refer to spirits or gods that are intimately involved in the affairs of the world. Spirits generate entities like rivers, mountains, thunder and stars. A second meaning of shen refers to the human spirit or psyche; it is the basic power or agency within humans that accounts for life, and in order to further life to its fullest potential the spirit must be grown and cultivated. A third understanding of shen describes an entity as spiritual in the sense of inspiring awe or wonder because it combines categories usually kept separate, or it cannot be comprehended through normal concepts.
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@Swagnarok
They can be dismissed absolutely but it takes courage to accept that the life you are living is it, the wishful thinking that you wake up when you die is the same as believing in Santa. Grow up, face the facts and have a truly wonderful life. The truth sets you free.
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@Tradesecret
Is right good and wrong evil?
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@Mopac
This is your claim
"1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality"
Therefore any God spelled with a capital G is the ultimate reality. Good for you.
You have no other criterion for your belief that the thing you call God is the supreme or ultimate reality
As long as a God is spelled with a capital G it is the ultimate reality.
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@Mopac
You claim it does, so it's your argument that is stupid because I'm using your argument against you.
"1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality"
Your argument is that if someone spells their god with a capital G then that God is the supreme or ultimate reality"
That is your argument in total.
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@Mopac
And here is another assertion. If you take God as being anything other than this, you are not talking about the God I believe.
Show the dictionary definition that states the god you believe in is the only God.
The dictionary claims that any God spelled with a capital G is the ultimate reality and since any god can be spelled with a capital G it is not referring to your god.
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@Mopac
Zeus is God and therefore your ultimate reality, as is Quetzalcoatl.
To make any god the ultimate reality just use a capital G is your argument.
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@Mopac
Nah I'm just using your argument, if I use a capital G for God when I discuss all Gods then according to you they are all ultimate realities after all the criteria for calling your god the ultimate reality is that you use a capital G.
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@Mopac
All Gods are the ultimate reality, so there are millions of ultimate realities. Hoorah.
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@EtrnlVw
You claim to fly around and visit "god world", enough said.
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@eash
The exodus didn't happen and the rest of your drivel is incomprehensible.
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@Greyparrot
You must be some sort of genius, just after I tell you I don't understand the word you used you have determined that I don't understand the word you used. How many post graduate degrees do you have?
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Rubbishing a batshit crazy right wing propaganda tv show is "triggered", what does that mean?
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@PGA2.0
Supply evidence of the Jews being enslaved for 400yrs by the Egyptians.
Supply evidence that 4million people wandered around the Sinai for 40yrs
Supply evidence that there was ever a world wide flood deeper than Everest is high.
As I said there is very little if any history in the bible.
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@PGA2.0
"The evil was done by the parents."
So your vindictive, petty, hateful gods kills infants and is proud of it. Does he object to abortion because he wants the monopoly? He prefers to perform it on women who want a baby, what a pissant god.
"FACT: We all die physically,"
Fact we all die placing a qualification on that is superflous, there is no other way to die. If you wish to claim there is then prove it.
"I claim I can know because God has revealed,"
You claim to know because a man has told you god has revealed, but you are not a necessary being. Since that is the truth why SHOULD I believe what you have to say? Why is what you say true?
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@PGA2.0
You, a mere human claims to know the truth, but you are not a necessary being. Since that is the truth why SHOULD I believe what you have to say? Why is what you say true?
Your argument is defeated by your argument.
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