drafterman

Okay, now that I've had a chance to read up. I did not see that the popcorn claim was for characters only. Well, since character claims are completely and utterly pointless and null information, I have no problem character claiming. I'm Red Wing.

This whole "locking scum into characters" with not thematic split is a bit silly. There isn't a single item that couldn't be shoehorned into 5 different roles. Not to mention there are only a small handful of roles that are inherently scummy anyway.

If you're going to force people to claim, then at least force them to full claim. Otherwise we're just jerking ourselves off here.

Also, I've decided that voting people to make them active isn't a thing. If they're not here, then they're not here to respond to any votes either. Like, voting a person in this game doesn't send out a psychic vibration through the aether that pings their brain IRL to bring them here. If they're not here they're not here. I mean, look, Croc is a target for inactivity here like he was in my BAMF mafia and he got lynched for it. And he was Town!

Players cannot force other players to be active because players have no control over other players activity. Inactivity or activity isn't a sign of alignment so lynching players for inactivity is just a random lynch with extra steps. Let the mod deal with inactive players. Listen, I get the psychological desire to lynch inactives, but having seen that it never really pans out well It should be abandoned as a strategy.

The other problem with things like popcorning is it gives scum free rein to bandwagon. They are allowed to freely vote whoever the popcorn target is (likely to be town) and not be held accountable for that vote. Normally that would be a fairly substantial FOS.

As it is, my biggest scum read right now is Water. He jumps in posts once about being okay with popcorning but then doesn't actually participate in the popcorning and leave again.

VTL WaterPhoenix (for death)

Point of popcorn claim is to prevent mafia from stalling on claims so they can come up with a viable fake claim. Mafia doesn't need to fake claim here so popcorn claim is pointless.

In any event, I'm not claiming. Lynch me or move on. I'll post more tomorrow.

Sorry. Game started at a bad time for me. I don't agree with popcorn claim, so I pass.

What's the fun in that?

Contrary to my usual game design, I did not randomize all the roles.

Lunatic, GP, Danielle, and Supa were all hand selected to have the roles I gave them.

Thinking Elminster was a noob, I specifically gave him one of the Vanillas.

Everyone else was randomized.

It's a role from EpicMafia as well.

I would probably not change my game play because I always catch mafia anyway so it's indistinguishable from being told who the mafia are by the mod anyway ;)

Elminster - Vanilla

Speedrace - Hidden Miller

Lunatic - Seer

That1User - Vanilla

SupaDudz - Cop (Insane)

GreyParrot - Hot Potato

ILikePie5 - Popular

Crocodile - Hated

Danielle - Mime

whiteflame - Mime

The game was designed to instill doubt. Doubt in trusting results (insane cop + hidden miller) doubt in lynching people (mime) doubt in not lynching people (popular mafia) doubt in getting lynched (hated mafia) doubt in not getting lynched (mime) doubt in who to NK (hot potato) doubt in getting NKd (mime, again) even doubt in lynching correctly (seer)

I think it's pretty ironic that, even after a mime flipped, I'd say that, on the hole, this game had far less paranoia than your typical mafia game. Sure there was some rampant speculation regarding game mechanics and who was what, but actually getting someone lynched usually takes significant effort and the lynches in this game were pretty seemless.

I needed a mechanic to induce paranoia in the Mafia NK and I really didn't see one that fit the bill appropriately, so I modified the Detonator role from EpicMafia into Hot Potato. Originally, the person who had the bomb at the beginning of the night was the one who was protected, not the person receiving the bomb that night. Grey pointed out to me that Mafia can just give the bomb to their NK target and eliminate it from the game. Since that would defeat the purpose of the role, we discussed how else the role could work without being a) useless or b) overpowered. In the end I decided to switch it to protect the person who was receiving the bomb that night.

This was after GreyParrot claimed Mason, but before DP1 had ended. It didn't affect any night choices and didn't kill or save anyone that would have been killed or saved otherwise. It did cause a hitch in GreyParrots game-play strategy but I don't think it had an overall effect on the outcome of the game.

That was the only mid-game change.

But it also wasn't the only reason the role list was getting updated. I update it in response to questions asked to make things clearer and add notes and such, so the modification check wasn't really confirmation of GP as I could have been updating it for other reasons.

All in all, I think things worked out well. GP is right that getting rid of the bomb eliminated Town's primary defense but it was interesting to see players eager to lynch with a known Mime in play.

I know how Jester-roles are much maligned here which is why I went for the double Mimes. I am glad that they were well received.

I literally thought someone flipping mine would paralyze the town and keep them from lynching anyone.

Nope, lol

Vote Count

whiteflame - 4/4 - ILikePie, Speedrace, greyparrot, that1

That1User - 1/4 - SupaDudz

Whiteflame was lynched! He was a Mime. Mime's win! I'm out so end game thread will be a while. I'll leave this one open for communication.

whiteflame - 1/4 - ILikePie

/in

What's the stance on mid-game spite rules?

Danielle was lynched!

Danielle - You are a MIME. You win if you and all other MIMEs in the game are lynched.

It will be a NL

On the road. Will post a VC when home.

Lunatic - Vanilla - Town