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Also, I'd like people to take notice that Lunatic and Singularity have been online recently, but have no more thoughts to add to the matter. Bullish is basically forced to double down on this nonsense, but Lunatic and Singularity are just passively letting this lynch happen.
This is scummy as shit.
At the very least we all know that Lunatic - when town - will actively pursue a lynch until it is a done deal.
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@oromagi
It's advantage for town for people to be active and productive. At this stage the only vote that matters is a vote on me or a vote on bullish. That is the only vote that has the potential to realize an actual outcome given the time remaining. There are only two reasons not to do that:
1. You don't want either of us lynched. This means you don't vote for either, but that is an implicit vote for a No lynch, so you might as well just VTNL
2. You don't want to put your vote because putting your vote on a wagon commits you to an action you have to take responsibility for later.
If it's #1, then VTNL and encourage others to do the same. There is not enough time left in this DP to pressure people for claims or activity, so any action toward that end is useless.
If it's #2, that is scummy. Scum wants to avoid being accountable for bad things happening whereas a Town member, even when they make bad choices, usually has some sort of honest reason for doing what they do.
In the end I judge a bad vote to be better than a pointless vote or no vote at all.
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@oromagi
Then vote. Your vote on Pie will not have any effect as the DP is almost to a close. So put your vote someplace that matters.
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@oromagi
No one is on board with that. People want a lynch so let's give it to them.
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@oromagi
We don't have time for that. It's me or bullish.
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UVC
drafterman- [4/7] Bullish, GreyParrot, Singularity, lunatic
Press - [1/7] oro
Pie- [1/7] PF4R
Bullish - [1/7] Drafter
Speedrace - [1/7] Speedrace
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Oro I want u to know that I have a scum read on you, so you can vote drafter today to avoid my intense hate boner next DP.
This is not something town would say or agree to.
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@Speedrace
It's between me and Bullish. Vote one or the other. He's doubling down on this nonsense.
Unvote. VTL Bullish
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Really, if I get lynched because I didn't put eyeball emojis in my post then there is no coming back from this level of stupidity.
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@Bullish
Exactly. You're lynching me because I didn't engage in some sort of weird cyber role play with you.
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This thread should be in Personal or Miscellaneous
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Well the my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.
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@Dr.Franklin
There were. We just spent the past few posts talking about them. You even categorized what kind of complaints they were!
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@Dr.Franklin
Right. So there were (political) complaints about the show. So why are you trying to spin it as if there weren't any complaints? Why be so dishonest about it?
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@Dr.Franklin
Ok, so if you were aware of these complaints, why did you say there were no complaints? Were you lying?
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It seems like I am going to have to do a full rebuttal on Bullish' nonsense. Here we go:
You didn't even have the balls to look me in the eye when you told that lie you fucking liar.
This is a nonsense claim. He is asking me to "look him in the eyes." You can't look someone in the eyes on the internet. It is a joke request, not to be taken seriously. A best is he wanted me to type out the words "looks Bullish in the eyes in which case he is FOSing me because I didn't roleplay with him. This is Mafia, not r/creepasterisks.
I want you to character claim. Then, tell me why you didn’t respond to me when I called you a liar. Then I want you to explain to me why Single responded to me in your place. Then I want you to explain to me why single is scum instead of yourself.
I already addressed these but I'll readdress them here. I didn't respond to the claim because it didn't merit a response and I cannot explain to you the actions of other people.
I have never joked in a game of mafia ever. Mafia is very serious business.
Another joke/nonsense claim. D1's are usually full of silliness because there isn't much anything to go on.
And even if you thought it was a joke, you should still have answered me, because I VTL’d you. Scum would try to ignore early pressure and parry it off to someone else.
I disagree that I am beholden to respond to nonsense posts simply because you slap a VTL on them.
Why do you think Single answered for you? You can ask him why in your scum chat.
I cannot speak for other people. You should ask him. And it's interesting that you asked me twice but I don't see where you asked him.
Look at him this whole game. He hasn't given a single town/scum read,
I give reads if and when I have them and if and when I think it is appropriate to give them. I never bought into this FourTrouble tactic of demanding reads from every player on every player.
except for that weird interaction with Single, which he backed off of immediately after I pressured him. What kinda bullshit is that, drafterman, not giving a read. The only thing useful he did the whole DP is that handy claim list.
I backed off because there are other issues going on with Singularity and I am toeing a line here.
Early on he seamed so eager to claim vanilla. Why would you be so eager to claim vanilla? You wanna narrow down the PRs for scum? He claimed vanilla before I even VTL'd him, then after I VTL'd him for character he claims he "doesn't care."
More evidence that you are out of date. In most of the more recent games people have been pretty open about claiming roles, especially vanilla. I tried hammering in why this is bad back in Dark Crystal's mafia but it didn't really stick. Keeping a vanilla claim secret simply isn't the style right now. But it's odd that you are critical of my vanilla claim as it narrows down PRs for scum but you don't seem really concerned about actual PR claims which definitively narrow down PRs for scum.
Then he "Vtl water" "...to a claim, but not to Lynch." again that's some BS, cause the "L" in "VTL" stands for lynch, so if you VTL someone and then claim to not want to lynch them that's some BS.
Addressed but I'll restate. This entire DP we've been using VTL's as pressure without intention to lynch. This is so ubiquitous that this criticism is laughable.
I just read JARCOM DP1 and his play is totally different! In that game he early pressures and proactively interacts with other players to get reads. This game the most substantive thing he's done is rehash the Water fluff business, which as far as I'm concerned is no longer relevant.
Ironic considering that I was criticised (as town) for my play in JARGOM being different than in my other games.
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If I am lynched, then Town's priority needs to be the following:
1. Get an actual claim out of oro. Not just let him post nonsense and assume what his claim is.
2. Force Singularity to come clean about their mafia knowledge and experience.
3. Ignore Bullish until they stop posting nonsense logic.
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In case I die (stupidly), here are my reads:
Town-Read
Press - he is being active and contributing to the game. As a person who is usually inactive, it'd be easy enough for him to just maintain that status quo and lurk as scum. I see his activity as positive and constructive.
Greyparrot - Claiming early is his town meta, though Grey has been taking notes on what other people consider his meta to be and has been exploiting that to his advantage. However, I'm inclined to believe an unCC'd Cop claim unless given reason otherwise.
Water - Seems like his normal town behavior. Plus his character/role mesh well.
Scum-Read
Bullish - His claims are ridiculous if not outright falsehoods. I didn't "look him in the eye?" A VTL for pressure isn't for pressure because the "L" stands for lynch despite the fact that we have used votes as pressure (not intending to lynch) for all eternity? Some of this stuff can be written off as relying on old, outdated meta, but other is just objectively ludicrous. The fact that he is seriously pushing a lynch on these things is scummy.
Lunatic - Lunatic is too smart to seriously believe anything Bullish is cooking. I mean, Lunatic has bought into some shaky theories before as Town, but this really takes the cake.
Singularity - This person. 100% for certain is not a new mafia player. I am not saying this as a hunch or belief. I know, as an objectively fact, that this person is an experienced mafia person. I will not say how I know this without Singularity's permission. I am perfectly fine letting a person post in anonymity, but if they are going to exploit that anonymity to pretend to be a noob mafia person so people will give them latitude regarding their behavior in a mafia game then I am going to call that out.
Everyone else is null or not active enough to read accurately.
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Claims
10. Greyparrot - Cartman - Cop
7. Bullish - "a cripple"
4. WaterPhoenix - Token - Vanilla
5. SpeedRace - Stan - Dreamer
1. Lunatic - Kyle
12. Virtuoso - Mr. Mackey
3. Drafterman - Mr. Garrison - Vanilla
11. Singularity - Butters - JOAT (2x doc, 2x watch)
6. Irontoaster - Towelie - Vanilla
2. PressF - "Mr. Random Phat Head"
No Claims
8. iLikePie5
9. Oromagi (refuses to make an unobfuscated claim)
UVC
drafterman- [4/7] Bullish, GreyParrot, Singularity, drafter
Press - [1/7] oro
Pie- [1/7] PF4R
Bullish - [1/7] Drafter
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Also, you guys totally skated by and let oro get away without a hard character claim.
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@Lunatic
I guess you are new so I won't be too harsh on this, but if you are actually town, you are likely a target tonight. Not sure if the mod will let you protect yourself, but I would juggle the protection randomly between yourself, Speed, and GP.
FYI, he isn't new and you should read statements like these as calculated rather than noob slips.
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Ongoing
SupaDudz: South Park - DP1
Sign-ups
drafterman (DART Survivor Season 1)
In the Hopper
Speedrace (You'll Go Crazy MCU)
TUF- Recycled Roles mafia
ILikePie5 - Pick 1: Narcos, Riverdale, Bakugan Battle Brawlers
warren- open setup, likely themeless
Zaradi - Borderlands
Virtuoso
Bullish (workplace mafia)
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Just to clarify, this is a Mafia game. The theme of this mafia game is going to be DART Survivor, Season 1. The players from that game (sui, water, speed, drafterman, Shab, whiteflame, Press, REF, dormouse, LordLuke, Supa, Wylted, warren, AROSE) have been converted into mafia roles.
So if you want to relive the drama and excitement, mafia-style, sign up!
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Back-Ups
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This is the same dumb shit that got AROSE lynched in office mafia that scum 100% exploited
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Everyone sheeping bullish needs to explain why his logic is valid or provide independent logic or they deserve fos.
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This wagon on me is dumb. You all realize the basis of this Lynch is because I didn't literally look him in the eye. On the internet
It is a joke comment that did t warrant serious response. So I didn't take it seriously. And the basis of this Lynch is that I didn't take a non seriously claim seriously.
This Lynch is dumb to the nth degree and if people are going to lend merit to it then I am going to go full OMGUS.
I will 1v1 bullish. Take your stance against dumb wagons by voting bullish.
Unvote. Vtl bullish
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@WaterPhoenix
They were talking about this post:
That post was fluff
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@Bullish
I'm not getting lynched today, so you might as well direct your energy elsewhere. I haven't developed any reads yet and don't have a basis for any read-based lynched.
We don't know what the cut between Town and Scum is yet, and it would be premature to lynch anyone based on a claim alone at this point.
I'd actually be fine VTNLing today.
VTNL
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@WaterPhoenix
Oh. I think it's more accurate to say that you didn't understand what post other people were talking about.
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@EtrnlVw
You literally said "first focus on your own intuition". If that's not a foundation, I don't know what is.
But that's beside the point. The point is: human intuition sucks and shouldn't be involved in any search for knowledge.
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@WaterPhoenix
I think it was moreso you denying that a fluff post was fluff.
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I don't know if I have justification per se (e.g. role description + "because of this you are" + role). My role indicates that the kids would rather I not be teaching them. And then it says I am a vanilla. But there is no explicitly connector between the two.
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@EtrnlVw
You are limiting yourself by presuming the universe conforms to your intuition. It doesn't.
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@Greyparrot
He said he was a cripple and I mentioned Timmy. TUF pointed out that he could also be Jimmy.
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@oromagi
I change my mind. Bullish has already soft claimed. We need to squeeze activity out of oro.
Unvote. VTL oroveggie
Claims
10. Greyparrot - Cartman - Cop
7. Bullish - "a cripple"
4. WaterPhoenix - Token - Vanilla
5. SpeedRace - Stan - Dreamer
1. Lunatic - Kyle
12. Virtuoso - Mr. Mackey
3. Drafterman - Mr. Garrison - Vanilla
No Claims
2. PressF
6. Irontoaster
8. iLikePie5
9. Oromagi
11. Singularity
UVC
water - 1/7 - press
press - 1/7 - singularity
irontoaster - 1/7 - lunatic
drafterman - 2/7 - bullish, virt
bullish - 1/7 - grey
oro - 1/7 - drafterman
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@Bullish
I can't speak for someone else. If you have a question for someone else, you can ask them.
I apologize for not taking your comment about looking you in the eyes over the internet seriously.
I still don't and your vtl isn't really a concern of mine. But I think popcorn means I get to pick who claims next and that's you.
Vtl bullish
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My primary name is Mr. Garrison. The rest was given as a list of "aka"s. Trump was mentioned.
I am vanilla.
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@Bullish
I thought you were joking, and I don't know that Single is scum
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I agree with locking Water into a claim, but not to Lynch.
Vtl water
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Probably is 3 mafia in a game this size. Finally, a decent sized game.
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