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@Speedrace
But you still believed he was scum, however little that belief was
Not correct.
And that's like saying Lunatic didn't mislynch him because Supa would've been lynched anyway without Lunatic's vote
He wouldn't have been lynched anyways without lunatic's vote.
And who's just waking up?
irontoaster. Probably been up for a little bit, but I doubt the first thing he does is get on em to attend to mafia shenanigans.
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@Speedrace
Would he have been lynched anyway if I hadn't voted him? Yes. Ergo I didn't mislynch him.
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@Speedrace
Right, but your claim was that I mislynched him. Not that I hypothetically would have mislynched him at some indefinite point in the future. This ain't minority report, future crimes don't exist
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@Speedrace
You were sus in the first place, I sus(pected) you earlier and now moreso.
The most I ever said against him was that I was starting to lean him. I never supported his Lynch.
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@Speedrace
Supas lynch was 90% him digging his own hole and 10% Lunatic handing him the shovel. I neither pushed nor advocated for his Lynch.
I didn't "get" him lynched. He was already getting lynched when I voted him. My vote was merely insurance.
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@Speedrace
I voted Supa out of self preservation. And it wouldn't have mattered because he already had enough votes to die.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
It makes it harder to follow and more likely someone will drop out of the conversation rather than stick with it until the end.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I get the gist, but it's a complicated way of going about it. But I agree, seems odd to conclude that our universe - which is on the whole antagonistic to life - was designed for it.
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@WaterPhoenix
Yourself included.
FWIW, I still think you're scum and, based on Lunatic's reasoning last phase, it's not looking good for Speed. But a NL is probably best with 2 mafia.
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Probably mylo. I knew this was themeless, but doesn't anyone have any roles?
Vtnl
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@Vader
Okay, then I renew my request for an example. Your previous one wasn't an example, I provided reasoning in DCM.
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@Vader
Do you still stand by this behavior of mine being part of my scum meta?
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I'm also starting to lean on Supa because of him trying to portray this as some sort of scum meta. I think I'm acting more in line with my behavior in the office where I initially had a gut reaction to Sir and gradually developed it over the course of the day.
Not that I'm saying this necessarily makes me town, but the point is this doesn't pin me as either.
Unvote.
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@Vader
Firstly, "no reason" would be different than what I've done here.
Secondly, I gave reasons: https://www.debateart.com/api/forum/posts/120899/likes
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@Vader
Please link where I said someone was scum after two posts and claimed it was a hunch with no hard evidence.
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@Speedrace
Ok. I will reveal it after the fact, then.
Shhh, don't tell water.
Shhh, don't tell water.
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@Speedrace
Reaction tests tend not to work when you broadcast them in advance.
"Hey, I'm going to make a post to get a reaction out of you to see if you are mafia. But please ignore that part and just act normally so I can get an accurate read. Your cooperation is appreciated."
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@SirAnonymous
Ugh. I hate that feature.
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@Dr.Franklin
Well nothing you said rules it out, so if it's not a possibility you have more work to do to demonstrate it. There are plenty of issues with the fine tuning argument, the biggest one is it baselessly assumes that - minus some intelligent designer - all features of the universe would otherwise be determined by independent, uniform distribution, random chance.
It false to consider that many of these features might not be independent, might not be subject to uniform distribution, and but not be chance at all.
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@Dr.Franklin
No, there is no fundamental way to explain this, except that a supernatural being fine-tuned the universe.
Coincidence is an explanation.
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@Dr.Franklin
Why do you keep necroposting?
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@WaterPhoenix
It's a joke based on the previous game where we went toe to toe arguing for 50 pages both as town.
But it's weird for you to call my hunch imaginary. What reason do you have to suggest it isn't real?
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@Vader
Don't forget. Evidence is only for getting other people to lynch the person you want. I'm not (yet) trying to do that.
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@Vader
There is no "evidence" to be had. We are on page 2 of day 1. The fact that you are demanding rigorous evidence is bogus.
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@ethang5
I've provided my evidence, you have provided no rebuttal other than simple denial.
I think that about sums things up, have a nice day.
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@Vader
My vote is the only non-joke vote and you're harping on me?
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@Vader
It's like 5 seconds into day one and I'm just joining in with the festivities. Get in the spirit man. When there is something substantive to sink my teeth into, I'll do it.
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I never understood the need to unvote first. Your vote is just where the last put it.
But I think we found scum, guys. GG
Unvote. VTL Water.
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@ethang5
i have only ever talked about that abiogenesis happened and never made any claims about how it happened. And since I see no rebuttal to the evidence I gave, I will accept your concession on this and other matters.
When you want to stop making veiled insults about my scientific literacy and actually post a rebuttal, (from you, not fictitious professors), I will be here.
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@Speedrace
what made you decide to publicly confirm sirs role?
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@ethang5
Quarks and gluons.Lol! Google mining masquerading as an education.
Do you have an actual rebuttal?
They have and continuously do so.No, I meant the world outside of your head.
So did I.
Which specific one would you like me to post evidence about?Abiogenesis.
Well, painting things in broad strokes, the spectroscopy of the sun reveals that it contains heavy elements that would not be present in a first generation star. This is evidence that the sun is at least second generation, a result of previous cycles of star birth and death. This is evidence of some beginning of Earth, as its distance from the sun make surviving such transitions improbable. Thus we establish evidence that life, at one point, was not on Earth.
And yet there is life today, meaning life had to have arisen at some point and the only thing available for it to arise from is non-living material.
QED.
I just want to be clear, you are claiming that "Regular shapes" isn't a thing in geometry?No more than "warm colors" are a thing in optometry.
Are you saying that polygons with all the sides are equal and all the inside angles are equal don't exist or that you've never heard of such things referred to as "regular shapes?"
Of course, the fact that elementary particles come in specific kinds that are all alike doesn't refute this notion.It refutes the notion that it is the arrangement of those elementary particles that cause life.
I don't see how.
Right after death, the arrangement remains the same, but the body is dead. Its called logic.
It is how those arrangements of atoms change over time that make them living. Life is about change.
This is the general understood meaning of the word "see" and it is that meaning of the word I am using when I say I can "see atoms."I did a quick test asking science professors at my daughters uni if they could see atoms, not one of them answered "yes".
What did they answer?
I would also appreciate it if you left out any disparaging remarks about my education or knowledge.If you show a lack of knowledge, or are poorly educated on a subject on which you're pontificating, you'd like me to pretend you're knowledgeable?
I'm saying that insults do not help improve the conversation and asking that you stop.
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@Outplayz
I'm not "ignoring" I'm just saying that we should expect scenarios like what you describe to happen just through sheer random chance. It's be more notable if stuff like that never happened.
So how did you rule out plain, simple coincidence?
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@SirAnonymous
Honestly, I decided to believe you, but it was the smart move either way. Regardless of what you were, you still could have been a prime maf target, either by confirming yourself as town (as you claimed) or being some sort of 3P with an opposing win con.
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@Outplayz
So, i take this as a probability type situation.
I do. Given the billions of people on the planet, a significant percentage of them will have an experience like yours that is, nevertheless, meaningless. That two events in your life happened to seem to be correlated is a product of random chance (or otherwise faulty memory).
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