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@RationalMadman
But flame wars always come from imabench or me right?
The only reason you aren't banned already is because everyone knows your condition. You said you wanted to learn from past mistakes. Here is your chance.
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@Buddamoose
You are right, but that doesn't invalidate the principle see? The principle remains valid even when we don't know if it really is a painting or not.
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@Castin
But that is why we have mods.But I do think there will always be dislike, that it will always create tension, and that there will always be people who perceive offense and retaliate.
Understand this. I don't mind some heated exchanges here and there. I'm talking specifically about behavior that mucks up the smooth functioning of the board.
Calling someone an idiot because they advanced a really silly idea is one thing, but "hating" the religion board and making little snide remarks about posters to that board is another thing.
Posting that you don't think God exists and your reasons why you think so is one thing, shouting "God does not exist!" To every poster in the religion forum and insulting him is another matter.
Posting that you think some political or religious POV is illogical is one thing, 20+ posts in less than 6 hours to one forum by one person is spam.
There is a reason bench was banned multiple times. And there is a reason he braggs about it now. We have to know the difference between the two types of behavior. Moderate the heated exchanges, but cut out the behavior that impede the functioning of the board as a whole.
It slows activity, and slow activity causes posters to leave. Low poster count will cause the site to die. I don't want that.
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@Buddamoose
The idiot first posted to me, with an insult.Was that here?
Yes. But this is a biased question. On another thread he could post to me first but I am at fault if I post to him first here? I reject such partisan nonsense.
I didnt see that in this thread 🤔.
Of course you didn't. If you did, you'd be objective.
Initiation of conflict isnt usually, if ever, counted all the way back to what originally started the harassing behavior. Insults arent a violation of ToS, harassment is.
I have never been banned from any site, and I've been online since 1993. How many times has your troll maiden you're saving been banned? Don't answer. Watch. His history has shown he doesn't care about being banned and he has poor self control. He will repeat his history here. His confusion is in thinking he's still at DDO where AirMax will coddle his trolling. Keep watching.
You don't know who is continuing it. You are assuming because you are biased. No worries. The people with the decision will not be a part of his clique.Like I said, if you limit it to a jab here or there, ur fine. Bench may very well have started this all originally, thats irrelevant to who is the one primarily continuing that original conflict in other threads independent of the one where the original insult was made
I'm not even white knighting here,...
OK then, you won't be adverse to a little objectivity.
Im trying to give you genuine advice here, its up to you whether or not you decide to see the merit of it
Your intent may be good, but your advice certainly isn't. Good advice needs objectivity.
The troll picked me. More than once. Now he has me. He can appeal to his "ladies and gentlemen", his clique, or to whomever he thinks will white knight him. He's going to get treated like the troll he is.
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@Castin
Knights Templar! Thank you maiden fair.
Someone had me as black, which I didn't mind but also had me as KKK, which could never be.
If anyone wonders, it to His Glorious Majesty that those knees are bowed, the King to whom other kings bow, Jesus Christ.
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@SkepticalOne
You can continue under the delusion that anyone needs you to accept or validate their evidence. You can't "dismiss" my evidence. When did I ever request your validation?
But I do note that people who believe as you do are fringe. There is a reason for that. No declaration on your part will invalidate my evidence or give logical credibility to your assumptions.
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@XLAV
Exactly how some people feel when they enter the politics board.
Only they aren't dense enough to think their unfamiliarity renders the board unworthy or less relevant.
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Come back Poly. Both Willows and Bully have been banned. There is one more troll but he doesn't frequent the religion board. Though he is on course to repeat his ban record on DDO here.
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>>headshake<<
Even in a thread asking that we stop the negativity.
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I don't think we need to be so pessimistic. People coming here will see our ethos and quickly adjust. Those that won't or can't will face board moderation. I see no reason we have to accept poor behavior just because it's what many people do.
Thick skins are good, but the boards first level of protection of its members should not be for them to develop a thick skin. But you are an excellent role model for good forum behavior, though I wish you were a bit less cynical.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Is not catholicism a part of the west's poisonous, decadent world-view?
What political world-view do you think is better?
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What if every American was given a one million dollar account? Not cash, but on paper. They could use this account as they would cash. Transactions were recorded digitally.
What exactly would be the economic reasons this would not work? The only thing I can think of is paying for imports with other currencies than dollars.
Would this not be a solution to poverty?
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@SkepticalOne
Why? Thousand upon thousands come to accept God every year. How do you decide what is evidence for other people?However, when it comes to the subject of god, this standard of evidence cannot be met.
You seem to ignore all the evidence around you and insist your perception is true for everyone else. Why?
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We can focus on the things(painter/painting), or the ideas.
For example, once we decide on what is a painting, we can immediately get bogged down "on what is a painter?" Must he be human? Sentient? Deliberate?
The idea behind the simple statement is that paint placed on a surface in such a way that elicits ideas of the real world in viewers implies a deliberate act by a conscious person.
Questions about the definition of a painting are retreats to semantics. I visited MOMA in 2012 and nowhere did they have or need a definition of a painting.
The statement is referring to the relationship between a painter and a painting, not the painting or painter themselves. This relationship transcends the physical things, so that it works for mother/child, design/designer, creation/creator, or even more abstract relationships as, sound/sound maker.
To debate what constitutes a sound when you hear footsteps at 3 am in a house in which you're supposed to be alone, is to miss the implication completely.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Really? In 80 years? Seems early.Complete collapse and societal regression, including the erasure of much technology: 80 years
OK, do you mean the West, or the world?
And what is your political ideology?
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@EtrnlVw
Actually he was doing quite well (for bully) until willows confused him into thinking he was at DDO again. I was surprised he was able to last that long.
I think without another troll influencing him, being a normal poster will eventually become how he is and not an act. It is sad though.
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@Imabench
He doesnt even deny it XD
Then it must be true huh genius?
You will find out why Ethan doesn't need cliques.
Keep appealing to them. While you do, I'll show you as vacuous. Not that that is going to surprise anybody.
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@Buddamoose
I don't know if you and the troll are a tag team or you actually think you're white knighting, and I really don't care.
The idiot first posted to me, with an insult. Since then, his every post to me has been childish insults, repeating that I (and others) "follow" him around, as if the board is his, and a "that's just Ethan" for you, under the delusion that he's still at DDO.
He's used to his protected site surrounded by his clique, taking shots at lemmings who wanted to be part of the "in" crowd. He's never met someone like me.
What ever baggage he brought with him that made him decide to pick on me, he will follow it through. So we will see if the Gentle Readers are as stupid as he seems to think they are, or if they will see through his tired ploy.
But you, get your facts straight before you gallop in on your white horse.
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Yes. But only a temp ban. Mike believes in second chances.
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@Imabench
If you beg and grovel, maybe the ladies and gentlemen will think you're cool.
Lol. What a loser.
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@Imabench
Lol.It's like how someone who thinks they're smart but are utterly retarded could be seen as 'funny', but only because its really sad
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@janesix
I see we have a new spam bot that calls itself "willows"
Willows has been banned and his account closed.
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@vagabond
Unprovoked insult. Reported.rabbit capatalised = rabbit. you dumb fuck
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@vagabond
Ah-hom. Reported.Yeah I do and your comments are meaningless because you are a nutter. Cya.
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@Willows
20+ flame-bait posts in six hours to the religion board alone is spamming.
What? Did you get banned again at the site you were infecting?
Trolling will not be welcomed here willows. Reported.
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@Willows
20+ flame-bait posts in six hours to the religion board alone is spamming.
What? Did you get banned again at the site you were infecting?
Trolling will not be welcomed here willows. Reported.
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@Willows
Every post of yours has been to the religion forum, and you're an atheist troll. That's funny.Just look at all the hilarious theist posts.
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@Stronn
Laws prohibiting manual driving of cars, first in large cities: 50 years
I hadn't thought of that. Good guess. The only thing is, it may be less than 50 years.
Incidentally, I just heard that one of the Apple self driving cars had an accident yesterday.
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@Castin
Ha ha! Funny. Humor is a good response to militant stupidity.
The clown blares his bullhorn in public and then claims his "fanclub" is listening. Can the class say attention whore? I thought it could.
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This will one day be an old thread.
Make your predictions here. Not common things everyone expects, (flying cars, implanted chips, foldable TV screens, etc) but stuff that really shows your predictive skills and precognition.
1. Smart phones controlled 100% by thought. - 20 years
2. Terraforming Mars. - 100 years
3. Ability to record and store human memory directly from the human brain. - 200 years
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And I'm confused about how the religion forum users were irrelevant and unheard of, but also "everyone here however knows the religious users". 🤔 ??
Lol. DDO's greatest thinkers. This is what happens when you debate in a clique echo chamber.
When they say irrelevant, they mean, "not part of our clique." No wonder they pine for AirMax so much. He was their BMOC.
It's petty.
Like it was in high school.
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@Imabench
You tried. You failed. It was funny.
A laugh here would be good too.
Go.
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@1harderthanyouthink
Pure political rationalization.
There is no political TV in America. TV is social. American popular media takes a left of center position as its default.
Left and right can be defined relatively, or can be defined absolutely. Defined relatively, abortion on demand could one day be the conservative position.
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@1harderthanyouthink
There's really no left TV in America.
Really?
A visitor to Earth, from our TV would greatly over-estimate the percentage of homosexuals and transgenders in our societies. They would think everyone is consumed with environmental and racial issues. They would think political correctness was the norm and that Trump was universally unpopular, especially among music and movie stars.
Other than those things, there really is no left TV in America.
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@Outplayz
No problem Outplayz. You are the kind of member any site would be lucky to have. You will be welcome here anytime.
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I arguably had the most activity around my name.
This is incorrect
No. It is correct. Even this thread is an example.
In fact, people who did not use the religion forum on DDO have no knowledge of who you are.
That does not change the truth of what I said. Activity flourished where I posted. How many know who I am is not the point.
You were an irrelevant member there, and are an irrelevant member here.
I don't care for "relevance" here, or what you consider relevance. And I doubt many others do. The point here is behaviors that inhibit the growth of this board.
I see no need to hand out labels like "irrelevant" to our fellow members and human beings.
Other than petty emotionalism, there isn't any.
as someone who has had long conversations with Ethang on DDO I can attest that this won't offend him,
Because things like that are not worth being bothered about. But I would be bothered if this site doesn't succeed.
...and it's also accurate.
It is telling that a person could think their opinion of another persons "relevance" was worth posting or that it coincided with reality. Ethan could not care less what you think of him, he does care though about activity stifling behavior on the board. He is willing to bet that the owner of the board shares that care.
I would note that users like Castin, who continually try to moderate the posts of other users, are detrimental to the site.
Not only is Castin relevant in ways you can never comprehend, she is not activity poison. Her hang-out on DDO, was the most active board, and lasted the longest on the forum.
There is a reason why your hangout was dying long before the spammers finally killed you, and why you felt the need to change your name here.
Srsly, why are people here so intensely committed to personal bitterness.
Being themselves. They killed DDO with their pettiness, and have set themselves to do it here too. This is what they think a debate site should be, crass, vitriolic, militant, a personal arena for their drama. Such behavior will kill this site, and they will simply move to the next site, rinse and repeat.
We can take the warning, or let the militant naysayers immobilize us. With no decision from us, the decision will be made for us. He/she who has ears, let them hear.
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Should I show people your post history on ddo?
Sure. I arguably had the most activity around my name. Your judgement of what is offensive is suspect. Some people here are thread killers. They enter a thread and activity dies.
I agree DA needs to build itself up and not act like a extension of DDO.
Words of wisdom right now, especially for the politics board.
But hitting turbulence doesn't mean the plane is going down.
The slowdown in activity is a symptom. An average no-response time of more than two hours for an entire board is worthy of attention.
In a new forum it's not unusual to see a brief initial period of anarchy.
I come from DDO. Dart has not yet seen arnarchy. I'm talking about activity stifling behavior, not anarchy. It will silently kill the forum.
I disagree with creating threads to call people out. But if you're going to do it, then do it.
This is not a call out thread, you miss the point if you think it is. Ethan is not "pass-aggressive". Not everything boils down to a me against you metric.
If you don't have the conviction or internal fortitude to actually identify the problem by name, then you really aren't in a position to criticize other people for not dealing with it.
The three problems were listed and identified. And no criticism was meant. This is a warning, not against people, but against behaviors. I have no interest in individuals, just behaviors.
This site has been in existence for maybe 3-4 weeks tops and your complaining about lack of activity?
Warning about the change in activity. There is a difference between a complaint and constructive criticism.
If anything the peace and quiet should be welcomed.....
Dart is not DDO. We should not accept forum killing behavior because another thread is bad. No one comes to a debate board for "peace and quiet".
Thats Ethang for you.... Never has any good ideas, and then still manages to find a way to screw it up.
Exhibit A
I know he brought you up first,
If you don't have the conviction or internal fortitude to actually identify the problem by name,
Can both these be right? I either named people or I did not. Which is it?
At least he is using the same user name and not hiding who he was at DDO.
People hide who have something to hide. This isn't a smear. It isn't a call-out, it isn't a request to ban anyone. It is a warning meant to be timely.
Responding to a post like this with antagonism and acrimony only highlights what the post is talking about.
Now, do we want to fight it out here, or do we want to address the issues as one board and find solutions acceptable to all?
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Sorry to have to say it, but I did tell you so.
Dart has many more members now, but less activity. Why?
1. Ubiquity
One member is every where. Post a debate and he is likely to take you up. Post a thread and he is likely to respond. Members here want to interact with people, not just one loony guy. Though he has not done anything specifically wrong, his ubiquity discourages activity on the board. And that is now showing.
2. Obsession.
One member with a "God does not exist" obsession derails every thread in the religion board. His reply to any topic is, "God does not exist". What if people want to discuss God? Is not the religion board for that purpose? This attitude is repeated on other boards with people obsessed with other subjects, like Trump haters on politics board, evolution deniers on the science board, etc. Obsessions discourage activity on the board. And that is now showing.
3. Militancy
Members whose first post to an innocuous comments are filled with bile and vitriol. Members are at a loss on how to respond to a first post with anger and insult that is frankly inexplicable. There are people on the politics board for example, who seem to think they own the board, and will lash out in ad-hom at anything that personally offends them. Militancy discourage activity on the board. And that is now showing.
4. Naysayers
Any path suggested. Any path whatsoever, is immediately opposed by the naysayers. Mods or owners who will not lead will leave the board in paralysis as the naysayers play tug-of-war. And when the mod or owner makes a decision, he will be accused of being an authoritarian. This will happen.
At some point, (possibly already past) hard decisions will have to be made. An old established board could possibly absorb such infectious personalities. But a new board cannot. It must be protected till it is strong enough to accommodate these things.
We have the history of countless boards before us. Let's not make the same mistakes again.
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@keithprosser
What I dispute is that they measure innate ability reliably.
I agree. But I'm interested in why you think so.
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@ravensjt
Hey Raven,
(See my example in post #13)
Saw it. The Till story was a gripping one
Do you believe that God sometimes uses "evil" for a divine purpose?:
Sure. It says in Genesis 50:20 -
“But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive
Selling Joseph into slavery was evil, but it resulted in the hebrew children being saved from famine.
Did God use evil to create ultimate good?
He has many times.
Did the Devil unintentionally create good?
Yes. Like when thinking he could lock Jesus in death, and Jesus, the shining hero, pulled a rope-a-dope on him.
Did God use the Devil to create good?
Yes. Which is why the bible tells us Satan is angry.
I'm interested in your ideas on God and "evil"
Because of Satan, the god of this world, we tend to think that good is weak and evil is strong. In movies, good wins only by accident. Evil can win on its own steam.
But this is not true. Evil is never a match against good. Good is brave and powerful. Evil is cowardly and weak. Pop culture tries to make it seem otherwise, but it just isn't true.
Throughout history, simple "weak" people like Dr. Wilberforce, MLK, and Nelson Mandela stood up against powerful evil and brought it crashing down.
God assures us that Good will triumph.
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@1harderthanyouthink
It's not just about trust.
Go to DDO right now and look at the 4 threads by Hari in the stickies on the Debate.Org page. AirMax just reinstated his account. Is that what we want because some people "enjoy the drama"?
That is an objective standard that AirMax sucks as a mod.
Mike, no voting. Do it on your schedule. 1harder is correct, but not so right as to preempt you. Everyone will deal with your decision.
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@DebateArt.com
And when Mike sees one of the worse trolls here offering advice and then others backing him up, how comfortable should he be about offers of assistance? His hesitation is understandable.
90% of all problems will be caused 10% of members. Mods right now would need no software. But it is us and our duplicitous ways making Mike hesitant. Can you blame him?
No one here is stupid. If you were just on another thread spreading your vitriol and spite, don't come here offering advice about how to make things better. Better you kept quiet.
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@keithprosser
You saw it here. I did not express disgust myself but spoke about just someone expressing disgust and got insulted and called a homophone and a bigot. Why are you wondering?Ethang say he gets called a bigot when he expresses disgust at homosexuality. I wonder what it is that he says and how he says it!
I wonder if this thread is not so much about homophobic bigotry as about Ethang wanting to having a dig at 'lefties' being too keen to jump on anything even slightly PC?
And this is the smarmy way you argue. "Wondering". Innuendo filled implications. Exhibit C.
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@secularmerlin
Yes. Because I know you as a pathological liar who will do just what you're doing here. You aren't sweet. You aren't nice. You aren't just searching for answers.Is it so hard to believe that I am interested in your ideas and opinions while simultaneously disagreeing with You?
You had claims to demonstrate. You failed miserably. Sooth yourself by pretending no one noticed. You now want to reformulate and pretend you weren't beaten.
No thanks.
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@secularmerlin
>if we don't explore each other's ideas effectively we both lose.
Lol. Keep telling yourself that.
You had claims to demonstrate. You failed miserably. Sooth yourself by pretending no one noticed. You now want to reformulate and pretend you weren't beaten.
No thanks.
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Then you shouldn't have given it such prominenceThe lightbulb is unimportant....
Would you like me to rephrase again?
No. You lost. After you lose, get off the field, take off the uniform, and go home.
You don't get unlimited do overs after the final whistle.
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This was your clunker..
This is not a joke. I have never seen or heard of any god(s) that have accomplished this feet. To be clear I am not talking about acting through or influencing a mortal agency. I mean physically screwing in a lightbulb for themselves.
Do you believe that any god(s) are capable of screwing in a lightbulb and if so what keeps them from doing so?
Do you think this bit of silliness survives? I did not have to tell anyone that I won. But you did lose.
I'd still like an answer however if you wouldn't mind.
Your question was answered. If you don't like the answer, perhaps it's due to the silliness of your question.
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@secularmerlin
Myth rebuttals are based on what argument you present.
>Arguments may require rebuttals but questions do not. Questions beg answers.
With you, answers only bring the same question reformulated. But you did attempt an argument. It was eviscerated. You now want to reformulate and pretend you weren't beaten.
No thanks.
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@secularmerlin
It was your thread slick. You had claims to demonstrate. You failed miserably.In the meantime you have not demonstrated your claims
Sooth yourself by pretending no one noticed.
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