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@Beelzedad
Impressive economic record for a madman.
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Yes, I think China will be the next world superpower. India, a country in the same region, with a similar population, is a good measuring stick.
India seems to be the retarded twin of China. In almost all measures, China excels where India fails miserably. In health and sanitation, crime and safety, innovation and technology India lags behind China. The graph to superpower-hood is not hard to plot.
But the most telling is in the attitudes of the two peoples. One could not imagine the leader of China publicly saying that the Chinese were ashamed of being born Chinese, but the Indian Prime Minister admitted that Indians are ashamed of being born Indian.
That attitude alone explains why China is on the verge of becoming a world superpower and India still has almost half a million people defecating in the streets every day.
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@SkepticalOne
We know what liberals say, we know what liberals do, and we see the discrepancy.A religion (any religion) being favored by the government eventually diminishes religious freedom for everyone.
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@SkepticalOne
We know what liberals say, we know what liberals do, and we see the discrepancy.A religion (any religion) being favored by the government eventually diminishes religious freedom for everyone.
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@SkepticalOne
Actually, this would be a major concession
Only if you consider semantics "major". This is why singular accomplishments and events are note worthy. If every culture had a god story save a single one, my claim would be undaunted.
This is my point: we don't know where the "mishmash" begins.
There is no mish-mash. No historian is confused about early Egyptian and Peruvian history. There is no mixing of early Israeli and Russian history. You do not have a point here.
We have god stories because there is a god. There is no intrinsic human need for nonexistent things. If the human desire for god is genetic, then something in the environment caused that desire to develop. This is a fact of evolution.This is obviously an argument for the existence of god.
No sir. My comment above was to ( I forget who) a poster who claimed that humans propensity for god stories was genetic. I was showing him the implications of this belief, namely, If the human desire for god was genetic, then something in the environment must have caused that desire to develop.
Your atheist need to think that every theistic argument is one for the existence of god not withstanding, this argument aims only to show that human cultures need god stories.
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Trump's travel ban against Muslims.
Really? I don't see it. How was that a violation?
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@Greyparrot
Oh, this guy is much more than a troll. You'll see.Yah you predicted it. I guess DART has it's first troll for the politics forum.
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@Greyparrot
Why indeed.You are refuting the actual source of the WAPO story....now why would you do such a thing?
Wait till he starts simply reposting the same things over and over. You beat him in an argument, he reposts his links.
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@Buddamoose
Ice cream flavor being popular does mean it tastes good.
The #1 religion means it's entry requirements are not too vague. His argument is built on that relationship.
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@Buddamoose
Perhaps but his argument suffers the same fatal problem.
For example, if I say vanilla does not taste good, I must then explain how come it's the most sold flavor if I say it doesn't taste good.
But linate doesn't do debate very well. He just posts his opinions and then runs to post another opinion elsewhere.
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@Greyparrot
Once again, fake news tries to spin racism and fails.
It's even worse than that. There is no audio or video of Trump saying so, some witnesses there saying they did not hear Trump say so, is a hearsay account brought a full day later by a never Trumper, and which Trump himself denies saying!
So a no corroboration, hearsay story denied by the supposed speaker has morphed into All "African countries"
Fake news indeed.
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@linate
Here is a real life example linate. Tell me if you consider Trump's behavior here to be racist or not.
Trump Slammed as 'Racist' for 'Mocking' Indian Call Center Worker
Donald Trump brought up the issue of outsourcing American jobs in an improvisation on the campaign trail yesterday that some people are calling racist.
Trump addressed the fact that many call centers now operate out of India, and said he wanted to see how it worked for himself.
“You ever call up on your credit card? You want to find out about your credit card. Guess what? You’re talking to a person from India! You say, ‘How the hell does that work,’” the GOP candidate said at a rally in Harrington, Delaware.
“So I called up, under the guise I’m checking on my card. I say, ‘Where are you from?’ They say, ‘We are from India.’ (imitating the indian accent) Oh, great. That’s wonderful. Thank you very much,” he added, signaling as if hanging up a phone.
As always, critics have been quick to respond.
Some slammed the Republican front-runner for “mocking” Indians, while others said they could barely tell he was putting on an accent, Fox and Friends Weekend reported.
Was Trump being racist?
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@Harikrish
Are you retarded? I do not engage racist trolls. Find someone who doesn't mind that you're a racist. I do.
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@Harikrish
Are you retarded? I do not engage racist trolls. Find someone who doesn't mind that you're a racist. I do.
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Can you read? I do not waste time with racist trolls.
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@Harikrish
Sorry, I don't talk to racist trolls.
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America's history of regime change and foreign electoral interventions say otherwise.
Says otherwise what? Many of the regime changes America helped bring about were good. It freed people and got rid if dictators.
We've supported dictatorships and authoritarian governments when it fits our interests, such as Saudi Arabia and many Latin American regimes,
Are you proposing we act against our interests?
but invade their countries when they don't.
That is what our military is for. When diplomacy fails.
Our military ventures into Iraq have resulted in 1 million dead Iraqis, for instance.
So what? Our military ventures into Germany have resulted in 1 million dead Germans, for instance. So what?
It's quite rare for the US to apologize for its misdoings overseas, of which there are very many.
You are liberal, and what you call "misdoings" are not necessarily actual misdoings.
America deserves credit where it's due, but this chauvinist ideology will not get America anywhere close to being "great".
Basically, you are acting like your liberal take is established fact. It isn't. The world saw America as great, and will again. America only needs to rid itself of the silly politically correct progressive doctrine.
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@keithprosser
When America took in the Poles, Italians, Jews, and Vietnamese and turned them into giants,
So you'd like an America that doesn't build walls to keep people out nor blocks immigration on the basis of religion?
Why must it be all or nothing with you guys? Can I not want legal immigration and not want illegal immigration? I don't want thugs sneaking across the border.
i agree America was greater in its idealistic past - but is it those days that Trump wants to return to?
Of course. What days did you think Trump wants to return to?
In the past America was segregaged by race, made extensive use of slavery and tore itself apart in civil war.
And America on its own corrected those problems. Did you read the OP? This has been addressed.
What is a 'great' country'?
You have been told.
I don't think any country has ever been 'great'.
We know, that is why America will wallow in mediocrity as long as liberals are in power.
Many countries have been and are worse than the US - but does being better than Chad or Chile make a country 'great'?
This is the kind of comment that makes it difficult not to insult you. The OP's premise was that America was great because it was designed at its birth with an immune system built in.
You ignore that and pretend the premise is, "America is greater than Chad." Nowhere in this thread have I used the phrase "greater than....". If you disagree with the thread's premise, address that, but don't substitute it and pretend it is something else. Where is your integrity?
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@Buddamoose
Can I make my Bougati Veyron a Lambo Countach?
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@keithprosser
What and when was this 'great America' Trump wants to return to?
When America galloped across the globe kicking Nazi butt, when America pinned ol' glory to the moon like the badass it was, when America give King George the finger and told him to take a flying leap off a short pier, when America took in Jewish Einstein from the moron fascists and Einstein turned out to help create the tool that would guarantee their defeat, when blacks, free to go back to Africa, wisely chose to stay, when America told the USSR to stfo or get banhammered.
When America took in the Poles, Italians, Jews, and Vietnamese and turned them into giants, when America spewed out innovation and world saving technological advances like rain. Like when America told the moron Palestinians that Israel was not theirs, and told moron Europe to pay their own way, and told moron mexico to keep their dregs at home or we would wall them out.
When evil men quaked at the mention of America, and women and children danced for joy at the sight of the mighty marines coming to deliver worlds of butthurt to dictators and despots.
That America. That is what and when.
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@SamStevens
Kind of happened already. Fanboy was surprisingly restrained.
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@Castin
I think your point escaped our friend. Were you trying for subtle?
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@Castin
Seven different levels of burning hell would have broken loose.
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@Beelzedad
OK Beelzebub,
I will mark you down as "unwilling to debate" but "willing to spam." Go find a safe space before you melt.
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-NY GovernorWe won't make America great again. America was never that great.
America is great. But why is it great?
America differs from other countries in that it is always moving towards the just, the true, the right.
Other countries had to be forced or pressured into doing the right thing. America has always been able to do so on it's own. No matter what wrong we have done, we, and we alone, have recognized it, attacked it, and corrected it.
It's like America has a built in immune system. Women's rights, racism, bigotry, corruption, equality, child welfare, world policing, have all been corrected by us. Sometimes with great turmoil, but we found the way to a more just society. We are great because we have a great system, baked into our country's DNA.
America's greatness is why the poor, the oppressed, the downtrodden, flock to us. This is why Hawaii, and Korea, Panama, Germany, Laos, and Japan are free and prosperous. A lesser country would have just swallowed them up after defeat.
America's greatness is why the world doesn't speak German today but English, and why there is a state of Israel, why Isis and the Taliban have not murdered everyone in the Middle East, and why a poor farmer in Honduras has a smart phone.
Show me another country with a self-healing immune system.
The governor of NY is a blazing idiot. Some have called for his removal, but I say no, let him stay. He is who New Yorkers deserve.
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@linate
Then it is a miracle that Christianity has grown into the world's largest religion isn't it?required threshhold of faith required for Christians to be saved is not clear, the requirements are either too vague, or too listy/dogmatic.
How do you square your belief that the required threshold of faith required for Christians to be saved is not clear, or too vague, with the FACT that Christianity has been the most successful religion in getting people over that threshold?
If your judgement is not based on how actual people find it in reality, on what is it based?
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@Castin
I can't. God is on our money. Our Presidents take their oath on a holy book. Our pledge mentions God. How is it wrong or surprising what Sessions did?But I can understand why others might jump the gun.
Separation of church and state does not mean separation from church. If we don't stand up to this attitude, innocuous things like wearing a crucifix will be against the law......wait.....
It already is in some places.
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@Beelzedad
Here Beelzebub,
Let me remind you of what you said. You seem to have lost track of the argument.
"Monster" stories predate gods and religions by thousands of years, first appearing in cave drawings some 25,000 years ago. Every culture throughout history has various monster stories, which significantly shaped the culture over time.
This is what we call an opinion. You have to offer support for it, or else it gets dismissed as trash.
Also, I pointed out that you had to justify calling cave painting "monster stories", and then show how those stories were cultural within the definition of "cultural" being used here.
You did none of that. Since then, all you've done is spam the board with repetition. If you have nothing, say so. Losing an argument need not be a shame. Really.
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On DDO...
Reply & QuoteAdd PostLeaning 8/18/2018 11:29:41 PMPosted: 5 hours ago
Here it is: https://plus.google.com
...Ho Hum
Could DArt be beating DDO in hangouts?
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@Beelzedad
Hey Beelzebub,
Repeating your fantasy will not confuse anyone into thinking I am a troll. I don't object to your insults, but can't you include something of substance in with your bile?
And if you have nothing but insults, how many times will you post it? I've been on the net s long time. I am familiar with people like you. I was trained for people like you.
Ethan doesn't tire, doesn't fear, doesn't get angry, and doesn't get frazzled. The only tool that will work for you against me is logic. Just like on DDO.
Your opinion of me is not fascinating. Do you have anything of substance? If not, stop clogging up the board.
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@Castin
Yeah, you did.But I took protecting "people of faith" to include people of all religions.
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This apology is why movies remain silly.
If I controlled what you ate and fed you only rotten dog meat, you'd eat it. Because you ate it all wouldn't mean rotten dog meat was good. You would have a difficult time finding movies to watch if you refrained from watching stupid movies. Movies can make a ton of money and still be stupid.
Let me mention that I take no issue with movies aimed at kids. I can accept their stupidity. But it seems like almost every movie is aimed at 14 year old boys. A filmmaker should be an artist, not a sales clerk.
The car chase can be eventful and exciting without being silly. It is a testament to how much humans can be trained to like poor quality by your beautiful defense of mediocrity.
Big budget movies like F&F need millions in marketing to make, say a 100% profit. Movies like Blair Witch or Moonlight Kingdom had rates in the 1,000's.
at the end of the day, there's a market for it and it's not stupid to make movies to fit what the majority of the people want to see, esp if it generates billions of dollars and critical acclaim.
Rotten goat meat.
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@Buddamoose
Because that is the one sjw's like.A prejudice sure, but prejudices, biases if you will, come in all manner of varities. Why must it only be race?
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@Castin
It would be ironic given that has been all the claim against him.
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@Castin
Lol. It's like the shining. You think the guy is OK and then you get a nagging suspicion, then you see what he's been typing......
Oh sh!t.
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@Beelzedad
Like a liberal, you think your "engagement" is a prize.
You first posted to me, and you kept posting all through your "outrage". My behavior is fine, and will not change to suit you.
Put some content in your post, or take your song and dance elsewhere.
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But in Hollywood all the stars and in people rock i-phones. Don't you want to be cool ?Hollywood is for the pervs and the pedos. Hollywood and anything to do with it makes me barf and get explosive diarrhea
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@Stronn
Then we will have to agree to disagree. But a cultural story is one that formed with the culture, not just one within the culture, or else Jason Vorhees would be an American cultural story.
And I can see your "monster" definition is quite large, (tickles its victims to death?) If you go into some of these stories, you will find detail like the Inuit using guns to ward them off. Were guns invented by the Inuit?
If these stories are older, it isn't by much. The one with actual monsters that is.
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@Beelzedad
No Beelzebub, reality doesn't reside between your ears. Put some content in your responses. It is trolls who make vacuous posts.Stop being a troll and grow up. Your behavior is not welcome.
And your claim still remains unsupported. You might want to look into that.
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@Beelzedad
You really need to grow up.
I'm older than you, and behaving more maturely than you. Maybe I'm not the one who needs to grow up.
Your immature tantrums and ad homs are not welcomed.
By who? You? Lol. Exactly how liberal are you?
Your claim remains unsupported, and my objection to it untouched. You haven't a clue of what you're talking about, and fake outrage and insults will not hide that. But keep trying. You can't debate, so what option do you have?
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And you need an education instead of wiki.You really need to make sure of your facts before making such claims.
Did you even read your own link? None of these are original cultural stories of the Inuit people. This is 19th century inuit mythology.
Do you know today the Grinch turns up in some African mythology? Please.
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@vagabond
Such a pathetic little thing. LOL
Stalking. Insulting. Reported.
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@linate
christians don't usually do a good job defending jesus as god based on the bible.
Yeah. We know your opinion of Christians.
And even if you don't.but it is there, if you look.....
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@RationalMadman
Lol. Good thing it lead to you to irrationality.Fox News is like 88% right wing not 65%
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@RationalMadman
No, wrong.
Wrong how? Mike is the one who will decide.
Influencing others is a major strategy here and you are doing it too.
So? The decision still is not mine.
If you want me to support your goal of being mod, just ask me to support you. But I will not do so. If you get it you will have to do so without my enforcement.
Good luck.
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@Beelzedad
Your name fits you.
I can debate. So far, all you've done is hurl insults and get angry that you weren't agreed with. You can call me a troll, but if you keep acting like one, one of us will suffer a troll's fate.
Want to guess who?
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@RationalMadman
Mike will decide who the mods will be if any. You should direct your post to him.
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@Beelzedad
If you really think my reply was a tantrum, you are most likely a easily triggered progressive snowflake.
You made an unsubstantiated claim which I countered with logic. You then insulted me and demanded I agree with you or refrain from answering, and now you say I'm throwing a tantrum? Lol.
You can play your liberal "outraged" card, in the main time, your claim remains unsupported, and my objection to it untouched. You haven't a clue of what you're talking about, and fake outrage and insults will not hide that.
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