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@bsh1
+1I absolutely oppose trials and petitions re: bans. Moderating should not be an exercise in democracy--contrary to popular belief. There are excellent reasons why should not put judicial verdicts to popular vote.
The tendency to make moderation politically correct is a recipe to failure.
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@drafterman
Yes. And that colors your evaluation of the phenomenon in human culture.I deem god beliefs to be superstition.
Simple stumili response will not show patterns, much less recognize patterns when they show up. A pattern recognition machine must first be aware of patterns in order to develop the algorithm to recognize them.This is simply not true. Don't know what to tell you.
You could give us an example of a machine that can detect patterns simply by response to stimuli.
Because nothing else does. Nothing else that is not a part of reality.There are plenty of things. Elves, goblins, vampires, gremlins, hymphs and dragons.
None of these things qualify. None of them are universal over time and culture the way beliefs about god is. There are whole cultures that have never thought of dragons for example.
You asked for things we believe that don't exist in reality, and I provided examples.
No sir. I asked for things that are fundamental to our nature, being a basic and core component of our being, that are universal beliefs across time and culture, that also do not exist in reality.
There is nothing else like that.
For example, it is obvious from the fact that beliefs about goblins is not universal, shows that humans are not genetically predisposed to goblin stories. Only god covers all times and all cultures.
You call it superstitution, but why? There is not a single other example of a superstition being a concept embedded in our fundamental nature.
You believe what you do simply because you want to, not because of logic or rational thinking. You are interpreting reality based soley on your prior beliefs.
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@drafterman
I didn't bring it up. You did. It's in your comment, I simply responded to it.Really? I don't remember where I brought up. But OK.Here, in post #83: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12?page=4&post_number=83
I would say that humans are genetically predisposed to superstitious beliefs, of which god stories are one.
That is the logical error of begging the question. You've pre-relagated the belief to superstition, then deem it superstition. Human are predisposed to belief, some of which prove true, some of which don't.
That is not to say that god stories are an inevitable product,
You said they were inevitable.
For a pattern recognition machine must first be aware of patterns in order to develop the algorithm to recognize them.Awareness is not a requirement. It just needs to be able to respond to stimuli.
Untrue. Simple stumili response will not show patterns, much less recognize patterns when they show up. A pattern recognition machine must first be aware of patterns in order to develop the algorithm to recognize them.
But that does not explain the similarity of belief spanning human culture and history.Why wouldn't it?
Because there is nothing else in the human experience like that. The universal similarity contradicts the claim that the belief is untrue superstition. That is like every culture since time began, randomly picking the SAME wrong answer to a question. That is not a reasonable belief.
Why would it be a surprise that it produces similar results across the globe?
Because nothing else does. Nothing else that is not a part of reality.
I meant things like....... abstractions of reality that don't actually exist in physical reality.
Then you have fallen to a logical error. You pre-restrict the possible answers to only the non-existent, and then deem it superstition. That is assuming your conclusion within your argument. A logical error.
...unless you are arguing that all superstitious belief and abstract thought exists in reality, then my answer to your question stands,...
No. Why would it need be 'all'? Superstition is not static. Things we once believed can become superstition, and vice-versa.
Your argument is contradictory, and based on a logical error.
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Lol....ululating religion forum veterans
Dean Koontz loves that word.
If we aren't careful, the same silly prejudice against the religion board will take root here.
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@Swagnarok
Is it just my mind or is there a hidden swastika in your profile pic?
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@Lunatic
Perhaps he forgot to tell you as you guys played WoW together yesterday
That was an HOUR ago, not yesterday.
So he didn't know he would return as mod and be reinstating accounts until an hour ago? You said he had resigned.
Juggle just barely unbanned all the accounts they banned yesterday. You trying to cite this to back up a point you made yesterday is hilarious though lol.
I'm doing nothing of the sort. I told you he was still Mod yesterday and you claimed to know him and that he had resigned. That was a lie.
No, signing on as AirMax, site moderator, asking for and reactivating closed accounts doesn't mean he is back to actively moderating.Regardless, this post doesn't mean he is back to actively moderating
Thanks Lunatic. In think I can close this one.
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@drafterman
You brought up the phrase "fundamental nature" to which I interpret to mean in the generic sense of it being a basic and core component of our being.
Really? I don't remember where I brought up. But OK.
If you mean something else by this phrase, you will have to supply the definition.
No. I rather like your definition.
I believe it is in our natural because of our psychology, which is rooted in biology, which is rooted in genetics, yes.
So would it be correct to say that humans are genetically predisposed to god stories?
It exists because evolution favors a mind that is predisposed towards recognizing false patterns over failing to recognize true ones.
And what is the pattern we are seeing that we are failing to recognize?
This is a trade off with any pattern recognition machine.
This is interesting. For a pattern recognition machine must first be aware of patterns in order to develop the algorithm to recognize them.
Do you know of any other generic concept in our fundamental nature, that does not exist in reality?All superstitious believes ever invented by man.
Some beliefs that were originally thought to be superstition turned out not to be. Where do those fall? It seems to me all you're saying here is that humans are predisposed to belief.
But that does not explain the similarity of belief spanning human culture and history.
All abstract thoughts.
Faster than sound travel was once "abstract". So was man walking on the moon. So was a living, conscious, talking man without a heart.
I sense a contradiction in your core argument.
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@drafterman
What do you mean by, "in our fundamental nature"? Could you mean genetic? Why is it in our nature?Is a God concept in our fundamental nature?If you mean simply any generic god-concept, to include vague spiritualistic concepts as animism and ancestral worship, or a general belief in the supernatural and spiritual, I say yes.
Do you know of any other generic concept in our fundamental nature, that does not exist in reality?
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@Lunatic
>Max isn't an active mod anymore, he has no real obligation to the website, especially after the influx of spam.
How do you know? He posted TODAY with his mod Airmax account.
>I am very good friends with him and talk to him almost daily outside of the website.
I highly doubt this. Airmax is still mod of DDO.
>Technically not anymore, his account was banned en masse with all the others, mine included. He has resigned, lol.
You didn't know. Max is back moderating on DDO.
Perhaps he forgot to tell you as you guys played WoW together yesterday.
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@Castin
They are back up and Airmax is back on opening accounts.
Its a mistake though. They should get rid of the spam before they start opening accounts.
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@drafterman
Two questions then.
Because I think human beings are predisposed to finding patterns in randomness, meaning in meaninglessness, in superstition and coming up with grand dramas to justify those irrational beliefs.
Why would virtually every culture come up with the same thing?
After all, human beings naturally came up with god concepts to begin with, and I don't see that our fundamental nature has changed to suggest that we won't continue to do so.
Is a God concept in our fundamental nature?
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@drafterman
Whyvdo you think they are inevitable?
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@Castin
I'm surprised they haven't completely taken the site down for the time being.
Me too. That seems to be obvious to me.
If you do, only posts in the sticky will stay. Some forums don't even have a sticky thread.I'm debating whether to create a new account so I can make a few posts there. My old one is still closed.
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@vagabond
Spamming, insulting, stalking. Reported.As if it knows something it just tells it's lies in a futile attempt to prove that he's smart. What a wanker
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@vagabond
Your hate and vitriol will see the end of you no matter how much you suck up to the new leader. You are transparent.Hate, anger and vitriol are all you have.
Stalking. Reported.
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@Castin
No, I would never lie because of dislike for him. Though I really do dislike him.
Hari's account was the one they used to get in. He has bragged about it on DDO.
The mistake DDO made was setting up the captcha while compromised accounts were still open and connected to the net.
There are things they need to be doing but still aren't doing. The internet connection to the server needs to be cut, and the server cleaned for malware. It is most likely a trojan horse hacking his host file.
I checked the block of IP numbers used by the spammers. Even the Russian ones are routed through India. Hari was probably getting spam on his PC. And I think a few members may have noticed funny behavior on the phones they use to access DDO.
I think the incredible amount of online searching he did for pornographic images for his racist diatribes exposed him to some very nasty sites.
Some of the images he posted are hosted on the same servers that some of our spam comes from.
I think, instead of Juggle getting a real tech guy to fix this, Airmax got one of his friends to do him a favor. Bots will scan the host periodically to see if spam has been deleted. Removed spam makes them become active again. It isn't enough to just delete the spam. You must find the bots and kill them while disconnected from the net.
It may take longer but they will get it. I think.
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Lol.
Funny, I just read a convo on DDO where two posters were telling RM that you were a great debater.
Trust me, it shows.
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@keithprosser
Thank you.
Sometimes people even knowingly buy fake i-phones, just because they want people to think they have an i-phone.
It is a fad. Same as with hoop skirts, zoot suits, or Mac computers. The fad of the crowd. Lemming syndrome.
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@vagabond
It won't last, as soon as he kicks you in the goolies for spewing your hatred filled vitriolic rants about anything he won't be your friend anymore, Suck it while it lasts.
Stalking. Reported.
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I don't think they are "bans". They have to reset the accounts. If they had deleted the accounts, we would be able to register now with our old usernames. So it was gods to me when I saw they still had my ethang5 username reserved. But I was able to register as ethangS.
Also, if they had given up on the site, they wouldn't have done so much work on the home page or revived the dashboard. They will be back up.
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Your standards are way short of mine.
They sure are. Which is why I don't have to pretend to be what I am not like you are struggling to do now.
You have never been able to see the stupidity of going to a religion board and shutting down every thread with a "there is no God".
The board is for people who want to discuss and debate theism anyway. They do not even have to be theists. You have been on DDO with the same croak for years. If you don't believe in god, fine. Let others who want to discuss Him have their say.
The fact that you never debate, say exactly the same thing every time, and contribute nothing to the discussion, shows you are a troll. And both theists and atheists think so.
As does your stalking behavior shows. What normal person posts more than 300 times unanswered to another who has told them they will ignore them? That certainly indicates an emotional problem.
You can stop being a troll. If you don't stop, you will be stopped. This new board offers you another chance. Your destiny here is in your hands.
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Immaterial. The site is garbage now because it has been run incompetently. How long or how well you know him only serves to confirm your bias.Mine is informed as well, I've been on the site for a lot longer than you have and have known airmax a lot longer than you have.
Before his account was closed genius. And I posted here with a link saying Air had posted using his official mod username.No he didn't, his account was closed lol.
He lost that interest some time ago gamer. That is the point.that means nothing for his interest in continuing to moderate.
That is the definition of incompetent and lazy. Wake up.just because he still has mod powers, doesn't mean he is forced to use them lol.
Thank you. So much for him being "so busy". Perhaps if he had done more modding and less gaming, you wouldn't have to now be defending the indefensible.Lol I literally play games with him almost daily,
so you honestly think people left DDO because of how max moderates,
Yes. He enabled the condition that made people leave by not doing his job. For years.
The current state of DDO has literally nothing to do with your claim of Max being a bad mod.
Irrational beliefs are not illegal. I prefer not to hold them.
Trolling isn't a basis for banning.
It wasn't with Max, but it should have been. Try it here and see if Mike shares your opinion.
There will be trolls here too.
That is why sites have mods, and why they should do the job they signed up to do instead of gaming as their site burns.
Hmm, thought you were informed on DDO history so much more than I was lol.
And why would you think that? I've said nothing about history. You know Max as a gaming friend. I know Max as mod. It is cute that you think you're being loyal to a pal, but the wreck that is DDO convicts you.
You know nothing of running a website or of how to mod. Max may at one time have had good intentions, but that stopped being the case long ago.
Only the immature cry at criticism. No one hates Max. Some really like him. He still was a terrible mod though.
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@Zeichen
He's currently on DDO as Juggletheking or Juggletheboss ranting the exact same things.
You can sign in now with a new profile. It won't let you sign in with your old name or let you connect a new name with your old email.
The place will shortly be awash with old members with new names. Talk about a troll incentive.
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He's seen you trolling posts on DDO bully. Other than magic, I don't think you're going to convince him.
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@Smithereens
Then you are either illiterate, blind or a racist.
Invite him here, or better, fetch one of his race posts and post it here. If what you say is true, there should be no problem.
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@Nd24007
First off cops murdering innocent ppl is a problem.
Not one to be addressed by the NFL though.
You can't deny this. Well, I guess you are.
I neither need to deny or accept it. It has nothing to do with football or the anthem.
But you shouldn't.. Cops don't ever get jail time for killing somebody innocent. If i did or u did, we would be sitting in jail for years. but not the Cops..
Untrue. Cops are disciplined everyday, up to being sent to prison. Each case has its own details.
. ..The second part. Kneeling isn't rude. I bet you knee before GOD for prayer or just kneeling to show respect... I also bet you kneeling when you get about to propose in'st rude too. .
When I am praying to His wonderous Excellency Jesus Christ, or proposing to the delectable Mrs. Ethan, not at the rendition of the national anthem before an NFL game.
So, this just doesn't make sense to me.
You are letting PC'ness cripple your thinking.
Kneeling isn't the problem.
Oh yes it is. One of them anyway.
If you turn your back against the flag then yes you would have a point or if they stay in the locker rooms then you would be correct, it would be disrespectful.
Taking a knee during is also rude and disrespectful.
But they just kneeling so, this really in'st a problem.
Tell that to Colin Kaepernick.
Plus they try to send out a good message which is being overshadowed, with the wrong narrative.
You can't disrespect the flag, the anthem, the country, and the people who died for those things, and then claim you were trying to send out a good message.
That doesn't give them the right to ursurp someone else's program to promote your agenda. The owners and the NFL paid big bucks to get this showcase to viewers. Who give those libtards the right?The third part could be true. But the fact of the matter is most NFL Starts no one knows, only the very big start ppl know. But the average joe player cant, go outside and gather support for this bec they not know. It would only do good if a Tom Brady or Arron Roger do this, but it unfortunate they staying out of this. So, no most NFL players cant send out this message.
Their intentions may have been altruistic, their methods were abysmal.
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@Smithereens
Dodging my challenge only shows you have no case. Tell me if Hari's behavior is acceptable to you.
If you can't take a stand now, please spare me the opinion.
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@Lunatic
Most of your post is just your opinion, which is fine, but I have the tangible record of DDO to support my point.Of course it's just my opinion, responding to your opinion. That's what debate is. xD
My opinion is informed, as indicated by the seat site you currently can't access.
Take my challenge. DDO is still open. Go there and tell me if you think hari or bully were not ban-able behavior. If you would allow such behavior here, then we are lucky you aren't mod here
Max isn't an active mod anymore,
How do you know? He posted TODAY with his mod Airmax account.
he has no real obligation to the website, especially after the influx of spam.
Nonsense. He has an obligation as long as he accepts the position of mod.
Max was a volunteer mod and was never paid for his job,
How do you know this? But anyway, he accepted the post, so whining about the lack of pay is dishonest.
though he's put more collective work into the site than the developers by a long shot.
I never saw that. He mostly made others like whiteflame work for him.
Point is, he is no longer invested as much in what happens anymore because the site is broken and the developers refuse to fix it.
Airmax is still mod of DDO.
Whatever's happened over the last couple months on the site behavior wise, max has taken much less notice or care of.
I know. Which is why he should have resigned and let someone who wanted to work, work.
I personally don't know either of those members or the behavior you are referring to, because you haven't posted any links, but it's a lot less likely for something to be done about their behavior now then it was before the influx of spam increased to the point of making the site virtually unuseable.
Dude! I'm talking about starting from 2 years ago.
If their behaviors are as toxic as you say, and this was brought up to him when the site was working more functionally, there is a good chance he would have looked into the situation and done something about it.
Completely untrue. I was not the only person who brought it up to him. The site was working. He called a filthy racist "problematic" and did absolutely nothing. Not even a "cut it out". No one asked him to ban anyone.
I have known Max presumably a lot longer than you have, and I think other members who know well him would vouch that he would always look objectively into any situation back when the site was working.
I doubt you've known him longer, but it matters not. He was a poor mod, and our present situation is the culmination of his ennui and incompetence.
You are mis-directing a lot of your frustrations to Max when it should be at the failings of the developers of DDO.
Both of them share fault. Max was the head mod. My blame on him is objective, correct, and supported by the sad state of affairs.
Airmax would not have banned rational madman. Even at 10 times as offensive.
This is blatantly untrue. Rationalmadman, if memory serves, was perma-banned back in 2013. He was banned and un-banned multiple times before that as well
If he was permabanned, how was he on the site yesterday? Several people on the site now make RM seem like a priest. You have no clue what you're talking about.
Max is no longer invested in the site now, so yeah trolls run rampant, but he did an amazing thankless job for years sheerly out of his own personal interest.
Trolls have run wild for more than 2 years. And no one forced him to take the job. He was a terribly poor mod.
We don't need to agree on Airmax. You like him, fine. I don't think he was a good mod. I do not need to justify that to you. And I would not divulge private conversations jus because you ask for them.I am just saying, if you are going to make a broad statement like Max not being a good mod, and aren't willing to justify it, it's hardly a convincing case.
If the troll and spam eaten site doesn't convince you, nothing will.
You are here to debate you said, right? In debate is someone generally supposed to substantiate a claim they make for anyone to reasonable buy into their arguments?
The dead site is my substantiation. This thread full of ragged DDO refugees is my substantiation.
I'm glad Mike isn't him. I like this site. If you think Max is so great, go there. The site is still functioning.
This is a non-sequitur, I never argued that Max should be a mod here. Also I don't need him as a mod to enjoy a debating website. I am very good friends with him and talk to him almost daily outside of the website.
I highly doubt this. No one had contact with him for ages, not even juggle.
My point with all of this is that I think you are kind of an "anti-Airmax" ideologue, but again you are mis-directing your anger at him.
OK. And I think you are one of those people too easily influenced by a little power. A hanger on.
But we are allowed to disagree. I just think the current condition of DDO supports my opinion much better than yours.
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@Nd24007
Look the only reason it was a big deal bec. stupid Trump had to highlight this.
I noticed and hated it before Trump mentioned it.
But really this not against the US flag, it a protest against the social injustice.
If I lift your mom's skirt as a protest against the social injustice, would that make it right?
The Police could murder whoever they want without being punished, this what lays the biggest problem.
Not only is this not true, what does that have to do with football or the anthem?
The NFL players just want it to be heard....
They are stars. They could go to any TV station and they would be given airtime. They wanted controversy. Now they've got it.
Trump turned nothing around. Kneeling during the anthem is rude, ungrateful, and disrespectful. No "protest" excuses it....but unfortunate Trump had to turn it around and make it about something else when it not.
If I were a team owner, every one of those kneeling nincompoops would be fired by email, even if it meant the closure of my club.
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I bet hari, willows, and bully are going into withdrawal symptoms right about now.
Funny, bully has not posted here since DDO went down.
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I really hope Mike finds some way to monetize because it would be unfair to expect him to keep footing the bill. Cold cash would ensure the site stays up. He isn't some internet company like Juggle.
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You sound sad. Before the site went down, I browsed a bit. They have updated the profile pages and dashboard. The home page has been jazzed up too.
They will be back up. You'll see.
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Abortion Remains Illegal in Argentina
Yaaaayyy!!!
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Sure they did. If they want to protest, let them do it on their own time, not muck up my game during the anthem.
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While you are not the first to bow to my genius, the fad is not the i-phone. The fad is the owning of an i-phone.
Don't worry if the difference escapes you.
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Zeichen, RMTheSupreme, Jhhillman, and Geographia are still posting to the site right now.
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@TwoMan
Rubbish.
Ask most i-phone owners about i-phone stats compared to other phones and they won't have an idea.
I have used many different phones, i-phones are not better at browsing. Any phone with a chip of similar speed will browse just the same.
The battery life is not better. You can't change your own batt, and there was just a debacle where we found out Apple was slowing down their phones to extend batt life.
The reason lemmings pay more is because they want to be part of the in crowd. Image. Fad.
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I no longer watch a bunch of spoiled, half educated entitled brats insult the sacrifice of great Americans they owe their freedom to.
I have more entertaining things to do.
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@Earth
Airmax's account was banned.
Not really. Just closed. They will eventually reset every account.
The fact that the site itself is still accessible means they are working on accounts, and have gotten the spam problem under control.
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@TwoMan
False analogy.So you want to know why someone would pay more for a superior product? I don't buy $2 bottles of wine but they have the same functionality as a $20 bottle.
A bottle of wine is not "functional". Plus, an infinix, or Huawei, or itel are not $2 knock offs, how are they inferior?
If someone can afford a higher price for a superior product, why wouldn't they buy it?
That is your question. Make your own thread for it. My question is, " Why would a person pay so much more for what is essentially the same product?"
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@TwoMan
So much more?
Yes. So much more than other phones with the same functionality.
It's cheaper than the Samsung.
So what? It is still a very expensive phone.
Is the Samsung a fad too?
It could be. But though Samsung sells more phones, the i-phone is the largest selling model.
Your post makes no sense.
Really? You can't understand a question asking why would so many pay so much for an i-phone because another phone costs more?
OK. I'll wait for someone my post makes sense to. Thanks.
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If the records are lost, what advantage will they have over Dart?
They will still have the trolls, the incompetent lazy mod, and the disinterested owners.
I think I'll stay here and help build this site. But I wish them well.
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@Earth
Where did he admit it? On DDO, DI or email?
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@TwoMan
Well, the top of the line Samsung phone is $1249 and the top of the line iPhone is $1149. The iPhone integrates seamlessly with other Apple products. I think your information may be out of date.
What information would that be?
Nothing you've said counters anything I've said. If it isn't fad, what justifies so many spending so much more for a product when they don't have to?
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