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@WaterPhoenix
i don't think wearing a mask is gonna make it so you can't....
Doesn't matter. It's still their bodies, and thus their choice.
...can you please stop asking questions that make it seem like i'm some abortion freak and that makes me respond like an abortion freak? what i want is for people not to die from complete morons like you. i honestly couldn't care less about abortion.
Real people die from abortions because of morons like you.
...just so you know, a person with corona infected 53 people.
Well, a woman would have to abort 20 sets of triplets to be as evil as that person! Wow! Morality is sure easy your way!
fuck off
Lol. Now we know that you're sure.
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@dustryder
Traffic to a thread indicates that the thread has been visited.
Do you think people visit threads randomly?
...least of all finding you to be entertaining.
Butthurt again.
No amount of your butthurt will you mean
No, I'm not a liberal so I already know that no butthurt will. You needed to be told.
Worst is hardly a subjective qualifier when backed up objective facts.
Would everyone agree with you?
My dear ethan. When one is to examine which state is doing "better" when dealing with covid-19, one examines the growth and decline of cases, not the total sum of cases.
I just go by how many died, instead of which stat will look worse for Trump.
I can never figure out which states are left or right...
Fret not, it seems covid-19 has no trouble figuring that out.
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@ludofl3x
So then how are the loves of Jesus and your wife different?
One is romantic love, the other is divine love. In some languages, there are different words for love. But I fail to see how this matters to my argument as I can FEEL both just the same.
Maybe I misunderstood, I thought you were mentioning your wife loving you because it was a real love,
No, I was mentioning my wife loving me because it was a what I felt, the realness was tangential.
I thought you were connecting that in some way to a real love of Jesus and how you feel both.
I do feel both, but I was not trying to prove God exists. Your first question to me was...
"Can you explain how you're convinced your wife loves you?"
And I told you, because I can FEEL it. Since then your goalpost has shifted as you kept trying to Shepard the dialogue into me giving you proof God existed. This is why you now say you thought my question to you, "how do you know your wife loves you?" was rhetorical.
I thought you were connecting that in some way to a real love of Jesus and how you feel both.
I was connecting how I feel both. The feeling I connected, not the love.
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@WaterPhoenix
well if you read my posts you'd know that i'd already addressed the issue.
You have not addressed why the "my body, my choice" logic doesn't work for both.
this isn't a matter of ethics over whether fetuses are technically considered human or not.
And yet, you keep bringing it up.
these people are not wearing a mask for absolutely no reason...
It's their body and thus their choice. Are women aborting babies for a different reason?
...and infecting multiple people, and could be killing multiple people. last time i checked multiple is more than one.
Ah! Mothers of twins, triplets, and above need not apply. Killing one is moral, killing more is unethical.
....and i'm pretty sure you're the idiot here.
Yeah. We can see that you're sure.
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@RoderickSpode
The Stone that the builders rejected.....
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@3RU7AL
Would you describe yourself as a DETERMINIST?
No, you described the behaviour of plants and animals. None of the things you used as examples were unpredictable.
Are you perhaps unfamiliar with the work of Edward Bernays?
No, but it is obvious I understand it better.
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@Stephen
The total number of Christians worldwide is increasing, no matter what your illogical bias tells you.
This is simply not true.
And when you have some evidence of this, post it. But for now, the C of E is not Christianity. It could disappear and Christianity would still be #1.
I will take Christianity over Islam any day of the week you fool.
Christianity doesn't accept idiots.
Are you saying that the facts as laid down by BOTH those Churches themselves are wrong...
No idiot. Just that declining membership of a single church does not mean total Christianity is declining. Don't worry if you can't comprehend it.
You just cannot accept that FACT!!!!!
Calm down loser. Your "fact" only means the C of E is declining, not that Christianity is declining.
Christians can be in decline in one place, and still be increasing over all. You're just too dumb and anti-theist to know this.
Yes they can.
Then your repeat example are stupid jedthro.
But do the growing numbers outweigh the dwindling numbers? Or are you too dumb to realise that and work out the maths for yourself.
I told you jasper. Christianity is growing worldwide. You don't want that, so you pretend your desire is fact. When you have the math, get back to us.
You and the Fish , sunshine , has had it's day.
And then you wake up. England is not the world dingbat. Today is still Christianity's day. As will be tomorrow and the day after.
We are the Champions. No time for losers, cause we are the Champions....
Of the world!
Curb your butthurt man.
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@wlws9
Fact: Christianity is the most despised and hated religion in the world and in real terms is definitely in very rapid decline.
Then why do you demean and humiliate yourself to obsessively break onto a religion board to babble about Christianity? How stupid and compulsive are you?
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@ludofl3x
I really don't care if you answer my questions,
I care. I like to be open, accessible, and honest. That is why I try to answer all questions.
I think we all know who you are by now.
Do you all wear name tags?
You compare the love of Jesus with the love of your wife,...
No Sir. I compared my ability to feel both of their love. I did not say their love was similar.
I asked questions designed to demonstrate how the two are similar,
Why? I did not say they were similar. I said I could feel them both.
and you've not done that in any way, as usual,
Why should I? There is no reason I should show they are similar when they aren't.
...but you pretend you have. Good work buddy!
Lol. You get confused but I'm at fault? I keep yelling you I'm talking about what I feel, and you keep insisting I'm talking about their actions. At some point I just have to accept that you don't want to understand.
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@dustryder
Ah yes. Delusion. No surprise there.
Traffic to a thread cannot be delusion jedthro. Take my suggestion about snootiness.
Must be ethang5
No amount of your butthurt will change reality.
Absolutely everything in that statement was factual.
The "worst pandemic response" was subjective. But we already know you confuse your opinion with facts.
Notice that republican governors have done better?
Tut tut. Delusions again.
Look at a map of red and blue states, and then look a map of the states with the worse covid-19 cases. Oops! See chester, delusions can't change reality.
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@ebuc
I bet this idiot is on some cringe compilations on YouTube.
Young people, this hair-triggered libtard loon is your future. Hope you have enough safe places.
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@TheRealNihilist
I would go for more delusion.
Relax, you're already there.
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@ebuc
Give it up you doofus.
Recreational substances have done irreparable damage to your brain. You are way too loony for intelligent conversation.
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@WaterPhoenix
no, i think he just doesn't want to wear a mask because he can't be bothered to put a piece of cloth over his face.
He said he didn't, but we have to respond to what he posted and not what we suspect. He said the same argument used to excuse women, "my body, my choice", can be used to excuse him, and wants to know why it cannot if anyone disagrees. If you disagree, say why. Address the logical equivalence he is presenting.
sadolite's just a mfing idiot...
Then don't reply his posts. But if you do decide to respond, address the topic. Otherwise, you appear an even bigger idiot.
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It is then as I knew, a complete fabrication.
Its called confirmation bias. Its illogical. Because I won't throw my pearls to swine, the swine say my pearls aren't real. OK.
Of course C of E it is Christian, you fool! And it is decline.
The C of E isn't ChristianITY. Read slower genius.
The total number of Christians worldwide is increasing, no matter what your illogical bias tells you.
Things do not become facts because you desire them fervently. Your example are only there because you get a kick from posting stupidity, like a little kid giggling at using a dirty word.
Christians can be in decline in one place, and still be increasing over all. You're just too dumb and anti-theist to know this.
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@ebuc
Stop being a moron. Think with your mind and not your emotion. You accuse everyone who you think disagrees with you as lacking integrity. Its like you're a retard.
...a mask has nothing to do with a fetus your body Ethang,
No one said it did poor reader, but wearing a mask has something to do with my body, just as getting an abortion has something to do with a woman's body.
a fetus is organism of the mother, so she chooses what to do with that organism, not you perverts,
And a mask is an implement of the wearer, so he chooses what to do with that impliment, not you idiot. You're too dumb to see that neither of us are trying to decide for the mother. You're just so easily triggered into hysteria. Your IQ is far too low for you to be this militant.
You and sadolite are sick in the head, and need mental, emotion assistance
If any of you ever wonder how Germany started down the road to Nazism, here is your example. Low IQ, mental instability, moral certainty, and militant political correctness.
Cube, you are so stupid, insulting you is not necessary.
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@ludofl3x
My assumption was that his wife acted in aw ay that would lead him to believe he was loved by her, and if so then how is Jesus's love similar to that.
That was you assumption and that's fine, but my focus was on what I felt, not what she (or Jesus) did. Many people who didn't love me did the same things to me that my mother did, so it cannot be based only on actions. One must feel the love.
What's he DO?
He loves me.
But apparently her 'grace' is what makes him convinced of her love, not her actions.
Again, your bias makes you confuse your assumptions for my truth. Here is what I said,...
I did not say, "I feel she does." I said I feel her love. Just like I see her grace. And smell her scent. And hear her voice. I'm talking about my senses, not about what she does.
I did not say she did nothing, that is just your frustration at not being able to turn our exchange into a "does God exist" cliché.
So what makes me convinced of her love is the love I FEEL from her, that is why I don't fall into bed with any woman that does what my wife does, like say, cook for me. Sure my wife does loving things, but do you love everyone who does loving things to you?
You won't answer that, you've dodged all my questions to you. As usual, you want to be the only one asking questions and making assumptions as if I'm the one hiding something. This is supposed to be a conversation, a dialogue. If you won't answer my questions, why do you think yours deserve being answered?
Is it that you see yourself as interrogator, and I the defendant? Or that I am not worthy of answers? Many times I would dismiss such arrogance but for the fact that I know many Gentle Reader who never comment, desire answers.
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We must insist on a policy of + proFAMILY.
Is homosexuality + proFAMILY?
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Nevertheless, you are a racist:By your own admission.....Post #26
I think you need help discerning what sarcasm is.
Not really. He's Willows and a virulent racist himself.
Racism = ignorance and arrogance
True. Which is why you've been banned more than 30 times loser.
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@WaterPhoenix
Stop being silly. Abortion is also taking an innocent life. That is his point.
If you disagree, say why. That is what he means when he says, "Please reconcile." Can you be something other than an abortion SJW? No one is attacking abortion rights.
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@dustryder
No one's reading this steaming turd of an exchange.
Speak for yourself. I get readers. If you ever have a dead thread, call me and my presence will bring readers. The trick is to be entertaining instead of snooty.
Most influential person in the country refusing to be a role model for wearing a mask for no reason other than vanity
It is your TDS that makes you believe you know his reason.
Holding a demostration in a pandemic despite the known risks of transmission
Corrected that for ya hypo.
Leader of the nation with the worst pandemic response among 1st world nations, accounting for nearly 20% of total covid-19 deaths worldwide despite being the richest country on the planet.
Again, your TDS influenced opinion. And the story isn't over on the pandemic yet. America is a federal system, the governors carry the most responsibility for response in each state. Notice that republican governors have done better?
Yep. He certainly cares about Americans.
And the American people care about him, and in November, we will have all you PC, leftist, elitist snowflakes wondering how come you were wrong, yet again.*
*That is, if the mail in vote scam Polosi and Shiff are trying to sneak past the people doesn't work.
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@zedvictor4
Well I'm a year older than you,....
Chronologically perhaps, if entries on a profile page are to be believed.
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Why do you think there are gangs worth fleeing in the countries they're from?
Because they got something pretty bad in Latin America,
You're not getting me. I'm asking why do they have something pretty bad in Latin America? It isn't the land that makes the culture, it's the people. You bring the people, you bring the culture. Your idea will ship everything the people are fleeing from, into America with them.
otherwise NYC would be heavily run by the Italian Mafia. This is not the case to this day.
It was. And it was cleaned up with ideas opposite yours.
If our borders were open, what would stop those gangs from following those fleeing people into America?
The gangs would come, but they would be punished under US law if they do any crimes within the US (except for coming here without a license).
So the fleeing people would not escape the gangs. Do you know that the countries those gangs are from also have laws? You idea just removes the safety of the persecuted.
Would everyone be able to vote? How would we document anyone if people are flowing in and out of the country?
I don't see why the immigrants can't vote if they are of age.
How would you know who has voted and who hasn't? You aren't documenting anyone entering the country.
Why would we want to document where people are going exactly?
1. Because our citizens get accused of crimes in other countries, how would we know they were even there?
2. Because benefits of citizens should be safe even if they leave the country, what's to stop someone else taking his benefits under his stolen identity if the governmend doesn't know he's left?
3. How would we know if someone else was trying to enter the country under his name if we have no record of him leaving?
What would stop criminals from escaping to bordering countries after crimes and returning at will later to repeat their crimes?
The same thing that would happen if I committed a crime in NY, and moved to Kansas to flee NY.
Untrue. NY and Kansas are the same country. China isn't. Do you have extradition treaties with other countries?
If someone commits a crime in China and flees to the US, the Chinese police would come and arrest the person....
How would the Chinese know the person was in the US? You didn't document his entry. Did he use the same name as he did in China?
if the US consents to the arrest...
Why would China need US consent? There are no borders remember?
(granted this wouldn't be the case if the person does something that's legal in the US, but illegal in China like protesting against the government).
Now you are starting to think. The idea of no borders is a childish idea pushed by people who don't know human nature. It makes no sense in actual practice.
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@ebuc
Typical religous fundamentalist false narrative...
Gretta is a religious fundamentalist?!?!?
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@TheRealNihilist
@Discipulus_Didicit
@WaterPhoenix
@ebuc
@Crocodile
proceeds to dodge literally all of my points
Your points were all off topic. The OP has presented two behaviors and is asking why the same logic doesn't apply to both. Most posters here are too dumb to see that it is a thought experiment about the applicability of the logic, not about face masks or abortions themselves, as they are just examples to demonstrate the question he is asking.
mr. sadolite here knows that there's a chance of killing someone everytime he goes to a family picnic in the park without a mask and yet he still does it.
He did not deny that. What he said was that there is a human death, not a chance of, but a 100% certainty of a human death every time a woman goes out for an abortion. He is asking, why is one death OK, and the other not? He is not disputing that not wearing a mask is dangerous.
In what world is ethang5 sane? He is a well known conspiracy believer...
What conspiracy would that be homer? All a person has to do is ask a question and you snowflakes go into pc tizzy. You are a nihilist, and you question the intellect of someone else? Address the challenge in the OP.
Maybe you should re-evaluate the people on the site.
It is people like you, already starting with cancel culture, that make others reject the nizi-like strictness of mask wearing.
I 2nd that oppinion and ask that he, and sadolite keep, their noses in a mask, and, out of womens bodies, unless those women give their consent.
The genius will not see the complete irrationality of demanding what Sadolite's should do with his body, but at the same time claiming no one has the right to decide for a woman what she should do with her body. Do only women have the right to bodily autonomy?
And how is asking a question about the logic behind both behaviors putting a "nose into" a woman's body? This the kind of PC hysteria that passes for logic with the left.
It is immoral to do otherwise, but who says sadolite or ethang have any moral intelegrity?
People who can read above 3rd grade level. Neither sadolite or I have suggested anything for a woman's body, but this poor reading comprehension SJW already has his abortion defense cape on, saying people have low moral integrity. What does one do with such militant stupidity?
Why the fuck is it so hard for you just to stfu and wear a fucking mask
Because he doesn't live in 1939 Nazi Germany. In America, we can ask questions of our government.
C: It's my body, so why can't I go without a mask?
G: Because it endangers the lives of others.
C: Why is a woman allowed to have an abortion then?
G: Because it's her body, and therefore her choice.
C: But it is also my body in the case of the mask!
G: Yes, but you endanger humans other than yourself.
C: Abortions KILL another human every time! What makes the principle, "my body, my choice" different in the two cases?
G: There is a chance of killing someone.
C: Greater chance with abortion.
G: You are a conspiracy believer!
C: ???
G: We should re-evaluate the people in the country!
C: ???
G: Keep your nose in a mask, and, out of womens bodies!!
C: ???
G: You have no moral intelegrity. (sp)
C: ???
Notice how each respondent is already defending abortion instead of addressing the OP's question? SJW's who are unable to think outside of their narrow pc social issues. They are already angry at just the perception that abortion may be questioned. How is this not like Nazi Germany?
A you pro-choice?
Good question. You asked for information BEFORE frothing into a libtard lather. The man said, "It's my body and my choice." Seems like PRO choice to me.
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@dustryder
Again you dodge.
I answered you. Saying I dodge means nothing. Everyone reading knows I did. Everyone not suffering from TDS anyway.
You keep telling your opinions as if they matter. Trump cares about Americans. That is why he won. The voters could see that no one else did because all of them were pushing political correct hypocrisy.
He will win again in November, and you will be left with 4 more years of your petty butthurt.
Remember, tell your antifa friends to wear masks when they go to burn down churches and loot stores,.....if logical consistency means anything to you.
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@wlsw9
It would be wrong to suggest that anyone reporting and exposing the horrors of the Holocaust is ignorant and bitter. Similarly, I think it is important to report and expose the truth about religion.
Characterize your OCD any way you like. No one is fooled. You don't need to be an obsessive jerk to expose and report.
My argument that those who believe in God are gullible, impressionable and naive has been fully confirmed by authoritative research and the fact that they (believers in God) are clearly deluded.
Then why have you needed to spam it over and over for 7 years? Why must you violate the rules of a private site to do so? Is Dart your only outlet? How come the only one behaving gullible, impressionable and naive has been you? Why will you dodge all these questions?
You are here because you are an obsessed compulsive moron, and I am your obsession's focus. You are mentally ill and rationalize it by the absurd notion that you're reporting and exposing the truth about religion.
The guilty party is always the loudest.
No jasper, the guilty party is the crook who breaks in again after he's been deported. That would be you.
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Let us see your evidence for what you say "Jesus said". Or you can simply stop with your blatant lies.
Or I could throw my pearls to swine. No thanks.
No. The facts show that Christianity is dying on its feet.
Christianity is growing doofus. Your stats show Islam has a higher growth rate, not that Christianity is dying. Your so called "facts" can only become facts if the occur. Right now they are just the desires of a bitter, biased man.
I am not "butt hurt".
Then you do a convincing job of pretending to be.
I don't have a dog in the fight, and have nothing to be "butt hurt" about, whereas you do.
And still you're the one cursing vulgarity, typing in caps and bold, and spamming the same thing over and over again! Wow, how militant would be if you were butthurt?
I am just presenting the facts concerning the dwindling of Christians in the world, whereas you are telling lies AGAIN!
Christians are not dwindling in the world homer, and a snapshot of a single church is not proof they are. They may be getting fewer in your little atheist bubble, but world wide, Christianity is growing.
...three very telling pictures
Pictures of a location cannot support a stat homer. Everyone knows that pics can be posted showing full and empty churches and mosques. But only you are ignorant enough to think those pics can prove a stat.
And posting such silliness over and over only makes you look ignorant. But be my guest, you making yourself look silly relieves me of having to do it.
Whats the matter with you man!? I have said that I agree with you, a few times now,.
I am correct, I don't need your agreement.
But have simply stated with supporting evidence that it won't be #1 for too much longer.
Facts are not facts till they occur. You are making a prediction, not stating a fact. You don't know the difference because you're poorly educated.
...did you keep missing these FACTS!?
Your stat may be a fact, (it isn't but I don't need to debunk it to debunk your argument) the prediction you make from it is not fact.
you keep missing this >>Lets see you evidence for Jesus the Jew , king of the Jews and Jewish Rabbi talking about the "dwindling" numbers of Christians
I'm missing nothing. I answered you. Repeating your question will not get a different answer. It is off topic and you are way too dumb for me to waste my time trying to educate you.
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@wlsw9
So, which list in particular did you glean the #1 from?
The one anyone not crippled by irrational bias would know: The largest number of believers.
The "Community Guide to Remote mud-hut Churches in Accra"?
It really hurts you that Christianity is #1 eh? Do you really think you harm Christianity one whit by exposing your stupidity to the world? You've been shaming yourself for 7 years that I know of. All you've gotten is empty, zero reply dead threads, universal mockery, and perma-bans. And in all that time, you've learned nothing. You're just as dumb as you've always been.
I see you left the silly adoration of willow trees for the crass love of porn literature. How like you. Classless and stupid.
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@TheUnderdog
No one is asking the underdog any questions. Give him a few questions and he will quickly run or dodge.
The people coming here are fleeing the gangs.
Why do you think there are gangs worth fleeing in the countries they're from?
If our borders were open, what would stop those gangs from following those fleeing people into America?
Would everyone be able to vote? How would we document anyone if people are flowing in and out of the country?
What would stop criminals from escaping to bordering countries after crimes and returning at will later to repeat their crimes?
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@zedvictor4
Terrified genius....Nope....You definitely made that one up.
Lol. Someone did.
And residing on a religious board...LOL....Your personal assumption that Debateart has a Christian pat on the back club.....Nope...
Nooo. It was called the religion board because that name was picked randomly.
As I keep trying to explain, just a global debating forum....Atheists to be expected....Whatever your personal definition of an atheist might be.
They sure are expected on the religion board.
And remember, your opinions are not reality...
How can you know? You've said you can only know what's in your head. Just because you don't feel any need to adhere to logic, doesn't mean your illogical contradictions will stick.
Your opinion of Christianity, resides ONLY in your head.....Which is what I've been trying to tell you all along....Though, well done for finally admitting I was right.
Whenever I go to church, and I've attended church services all over the world, here are very many people "in my head". See genius, the outside world, what we call reality, should agree with the opinions in your head. That way, you don't have to substitute your opinions for reality.
Don't worry. I know why so many of you atheists park on the religion board. I like you being here, I just won't pretend that its all a global debating forum. If it were, we wouldn't need separate boards.
As you get older, you will move away from nihilism. As you gain experience, you will become less sophistic. But until you do.......weeeeeeeeee!!
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Only 11 more years before the world ends!
Gretta will only be 28 years old. Poor thing.
It's not that the world's going to end.
1} False, the world is going to end. Humans dont know when or how that is going to occur.
Yet you've spent this entire thread trying to tell us it will end shortly by global warming. Contradict yourself much?
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@Username
No one has said protest should not happen. What we have said is that there is a right way and a wrong way to protest.
True protest means you love your country and feel it could be better. The kind of protest we see now is just America hating morons wanting to wild out. Protests that burn the country down instead of repairing it.
Protest all you want, but cutting off your nose to spite your face is idiocy.
The OP is right, Colin Kapernick is a f**king Coward.
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...If they want to be convinced, then they don't need to be convinced.
Oh yes, they do.
No they don't. You're bitter and ignorant that's all.
It is the nature of those who have weak, gullible, vacillating minds to be told what to believe.
I think weak, gullible, vacillating people are the ones who keep breaking into websites they once claimed they would never go to. Weak, gullible, vacillating people are the ones who keep posting the same bitter spam over and over.
...they will end up in a convincingly hot place for eternity.
You've already been banned. You're so pathetic, you have made a fake account more than 30 times now, and so obsessed, you immediately rush to me to post the same tired stupidity you've posted for years.
Please, please address your mental illness.
(the wlsw was a clue, but the "weak, gullible, vacillating minds" stupidity was classic willows)
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@WaterPhoenix
ethang why?
Why what?
i thought you were one of the sane ones...
As I you.
i think it's their choice as long as their not killing others,
As abortion certainly is.
this is basically manslaughter.
No. Abortion is murder.
would you tell a murderer that killing was fine cause it was their body and therefor their choice?
Nope. But abortion supporters do it all the time.
not wearing a mask dramatically increases your chance of infecting others, the incubation period is two weeks, in those two weeks you could infect people who could die or infect other people.
All true, but then how come the same logic doesn't work for abortions? That s the OP's challenge question. If you defend abortion with, "woman's body, woman's choice" even though it kill others, (100% certain) then how can you condemn "my body, my choice" if it only may kill others?
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Tax the rich
to feed the poor
till there are no
Rich no more
- Ten Years After (1964)
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...since #1 can mean anything.
Lol. Can it mean #9?
...number 1 on the List of Bogus and Despised Institutions
Lists by fringe groups don't count. They lack the numbers.
So, do you know someone then?
I know you.
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But surely Christianity is convincing only to those who want to be convinced.
Hey Einstein, If they want to be convinced, then they don't need to be convinced. Perhaps you should brush up on the definition of convinced.
To anybody else,....
You mean the minority of people on earth?
...anything about Christianity is about as convincing as Trump wearing a facemask.
And yet you're in the fringe minority. Weird huh?
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....the total number of Christians in the world grow at the rate of one year, each year.
Lol! By the IQ I can tell that this one is for you Stephen.
You sound like someone I know 9, lol. But keep yourself under 30 posts a day and you'll be fine.
......If you can do it.
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If an action or event is uncaused (100% free of HISTORICAL cause and effect) (THEN) it must necessarily be INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM RANDOM
Our inability to distinguish does not change reality. Things do not change based on whether we can distinguish them. Random still does not mean uncaused.
Third, "random" is not necessarily related to cause. You have shown no correlative relationship between the two.
The Oxford English Dictionary defines "random" as "Having no definite aim or purpose; not sent or guided in a particular direction; made, done, occurring, etc., without method or conscious choice; haphazard." [POST#25]"without method or conscious choice"
None of this has anything to do with causation.
By this definition, every action taken by an animal (lacking a pre-frontal cortex) is RANDOM.
But not uncaused.
By this definition, every event, geological and or meteorological, is RANDOM.
But not uncaused.
By this definition, the movements of every plant and every insect and every bacterium are RANDOM.
But still not uncaused. You are wrong in your judgement about the definition's effect on animals, insects, and geology too, but as it doesn't affect my argument, I can ignore it.
(IFF) this is truly your preferred definition of RANDOM (THEN) please explain to me what word you would use to describe something that is epistemologically and fundamentally UNPREDICTABLE.
None of the things you used as examples are unpredictable.
The coercion "works" precisely because humans will PREDICTABLY choose to save their own skins.
The human didn't choose. The criminal with the gun to his head did. In my example, there was no coercion to choose one pill over the other.
Someone's "decision" to "choose the blue pill" is highly constrained.
How?
Is the subject free to walk away and choose neither the red nor blue pills?
Yes.
Has the subject been contaminated with any enticements or vague threats regarding their choice?
No.
Does the subject have a natural attraction or repulsion to pills in general?
Who knows? It is still his choice.
Has the subject acquired a natural preference for one of these colors over the other?
Who knows? It remains his choice.
Is the subject seeking your personal approval and thus more sensitive to your overall tone and body-language?
Who knows? It remains his choice. These things affect choice, but not our freedom to make choices.
They are not fundamentally intractable.
How do you know this?
They are not epistemologically unknowable.
For sentient beings, how do you know this?
They are not ultimately unpredictable.
Again, how do you know this?
Your initial position of denying free will has locked you into the untenable position of having to claim that human thought is predictable, when nothing in our long history has proven less predictable than human thought.
Bad premise = bad conclusion.
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@WaterPhoenix
So what? When did the the opinion of multiple medical professionals gain control over his body?
When every medical and judicial professional said blacks were not fully human, did that make blacks subhuman? And you have the nerve to be insulting with this drivel.
The man said, "my body, my choice", no opinion invalidates that, and the number of opinions don't matter. It remains his body, and therefore his choice.
Since you dodged the challenge in his OP, I'm going to guess you have used the illogical and hypocritical argument of " her body, her choice" to defend abortions. He said, "I don't want to wear one [a mask] "My body my choice" Please reconcile.
Can you logically reconcile, or will you do the liberal thing again? Curse and appeal to authority?
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Give me facts, not opinions.
Trump does not wear a mask and held a rally.
That is not in contention Cletus. What is not a fact is your opinion you form from this fact that Trump doesn't care for people. When challenged to support your hypocritical reasoning with a much worse, but similar example of liberals not observing social distancing and holding demonstrations, you ran away like a scared little girl. I want facts without your tired hypocrisy tied to them.
Hitler never called himself an anti-semite either. But his beliefs and behavior betrayed him.
Your opinions are not facts.
Check his writings and speeches, they are freely available on the net. Hitler never called himself an anti-semite. That is a fact. He was judged an anti-semite by his beliefs and behavior. Just as I can read your posts to discern your beliefs and behavior. You, my reality challenged friend, are a liberal with a terminal case of TDS.
I do not give a whit for your fantastical suppositions.
That you're a liberal is not fantastical. And I don't care one whit for what you don't give a whit about. Calling the truth "supposition" does not change it at all. Truth is stubborn that way.
Here's a bit of free advice dusty. After you lose the argument, get off the dead horse. Beating it now won't get you any further.
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The total number of Christians in the world is growing.
Nope.
Yes it is Sherlock. You probably don't know what total number means.
Here is one example , you must have missed it:
This "example" is only for the church of England. The church of England is not Christianity. And you chart is not measuring conversions, but christenings.
Jesus told us that the number of Christians would dwindle to almost nothing before He returned.
Stop making shite up and telling lies.
Stop being a militant fool. This point is not even relevant to my argument. Why would I put a religious lie on a religion board? Just because you are ignorant doesn't mean it is a lie.
Christianity is # 1 [ FOR] now , and will remain #1 long after you're gone.
I corrected that for you.
Thanks, but unless you know the future, that is just saying the same thing I did. Regardless of your butthurt, Christianity is #1, and you will never see otherwise.
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@Stephen
Hey genius,
The total number of Christians in the world is growing. Your silly little bubble of England is not the world.
What Jesus said is off topic here. Christianity is #1. It will be for a long time. These are facts, no matter how much you dislike them.
If you are claiming Christianity will one day not be #1, come back when that happens. For now, the church of England and England are not typical of Christianity. Your sampling is defective, but I'd bet that's because you know nothing about sampling.
I know it well enough to be able to tell you with complete confidence that you are lying _ AGAIN!
That has not been my experience with you. You have shown yourself to not only be ignorant, but militantly ignorant. When that is added to your poor reading comprehension, intelligent conversation with you is almost impossible.
The doctrine that all Christians on Earth will eventually be killed is a basic Christian doctrine. If you don't know it, you aren't equipped to understand the explanation, and I do not throw my pearls to swine.
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Whataboutism isn't a valid line of questioning and is summarily dismissed. If
Your hypocrisy leaves you no option.
In other-words you have once again dodged the question.
In what other words? My answer was, "Trump desperately wants people to be well." You add in your personal opinion of a "callous approach to Covid-19" and then pretend your opinion is fact. Trumps approach has not been callous. Your TDS is what makes you confuse your opinion for fact. You silly, "have you stopped beating your wife" ploy will not work on me. Give me facts, not opinions.
If you are confused about what I claimed, my claim is only a page back.
Please put the paddles back when you are through back-paddling.
Where did I call myself a liberal?
Hitler never called himself an anti-semite either. But his beliefs and behavior betrayed him.
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@PGA2.0
Pack a toothbrush.
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It was you who introduced an assumed terror to the thread
You corroborated in post #59. You said
If Christianity could be proven to be an accurate hypothesis that would be an enlightening experience, rather than terrifying.
So, what was twisted?
I would suggest that believing but not actually knowing is perhaps more stressful than scepticism.
And again I'll tell you that your perceptions are not reality.
And as I explained previously, this isn't a religious board..
OK slick. Perhaps you should alert Viet that the board is incorrectly named. Lol!
So expect a certain amount of scepticism.
I don't mind scepticism. I just wonder why an avowed atheist would spend so much time on what he calls a naive, simplistic myth. I said,
You are terrified that if you concede that Christianity is convincing, you will be conceding that it's true. But fear is never a good basis for an argument.
It still isn't.
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@zedvictor4
Rejected.
Only to be expected.
You know me well enough to know that I always reject silliness.
A rare flash of logic.
Maybe now it will occur to you too.
Liberal is as liberal does....Ideology is as ideology does...
I count tautology as silliness too. And you know what I do with silliness.
And so my sense is your illogical nonsense, and vice versa.
This is one of liberalism's more stupid ideas. It is actually saying that there is no objective sense, that anything can qualify as objective sense, and that we have no way of discerning good sense from stupidity. Just illogical.
Yet you seem terrified by your commitments.
Well, it was you who said you were terrified. It's on record, so you projecting here is nothing I need to rebut. You've done that for me already.
You've admitted being terrified at His excellency, King Jesus. You should be. But thinking He is only your imagination will not invalidate Him. When an ostrich sticks his head in the sand, the world doesn't disappear.
And you still haven't explained what it is, that you imagine is terrifying me......
You said you were terrified genius. Did you forget? Terrifying things are difficult to talk about.
As a character contained within a naive, pseudo-hypothetical mythology isn't going to stop me sleeping at night.
But it does cause you, an atheist, to reside on a religion board. Remember, your opinions are not reality. Your opinion of Christianity reside ONLY in your head.
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