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@Mharman
His "verification" is his simply saying your opinion I'd delusion.I could go on but I think I have verified that your opinions are delusions.
He isn't even aware that the bible does not give an age of the earth, or that everything was created as is, or that Heaven is locate within the universe, but he "knows" there is no God.
Quick Mharman, get him to SAY you are a millionaire and be rich!
Lol. If these atheists know so much, how come they know so little?
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@ludofl3x
Lie. Here is what you said....that Epstein's version of heaven is a yacht full of 14 year olds,..
...and now he's on Jesus's yacht full of 14 year old girls in heaven
You dishonestly tried to make it Jesus's version of Heaven. Words mean things.
...but accusing someone of being a pedophile, cool move, bro.
Nah, accusing someone's Lord and Savior of pedophilia is even cooler, ....bro.
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@ludofl3x
@Seth
No one has made an excuse for why prayers don't work. We are saying silly nonscientific experiments don't work. They cannot be used to debunk OR prove prayer.
And if prayers don't work, why would you want to test it? Hmmm? Irrational bias much?
Whether prayers work or not, a sloppy experiment not following scientific methodology will tell you nothing.
Experiments work because scientists strictly follow scientific methodology, not because they really, really hate religion.
None of you know what the scientific method is, and other than an education, there is no remedy for that.
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Lol! Sometimes the atheist inadvertantly exposes his proclivities....and now he's on Jesus's yacht full of 14 year old girls in heaven, right?
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Can you not answer my question?
OK, I won't.
That's what I said.
Yeah I know Capt. Obvious.
Thanks for your confirmation.
Confirmation of what? You asked me not to answer your question and I said OK.
I'm glad to hear that. I hope you keep it in mind.
You won't need to answer my questions. Your dodging will be enough to show your lack of substance.
...your abuse of other posters is obvious to anybody who can think.
Lol. OK Seth, but re-consider growing that thicker skin ok? There are no safe spaces for militant anti-theists here.
Who is this Ethan you reference?
Look at who you addressed your post to. Surprise!!
I haven't heated up,...
What? You have a guttermouth in your normal state?
wtf are you blathering about?
I was paraphrasing the mod who locked the thread. Try to keep up homer.
It wouldn't work for you.
Because a word to me is sufficient. Now, let's see if it works for you.
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Imagine, just because a board on the forum is dedicated to a common interest, that is offensive to someone.
Is anyone upset that the game forum has only gamers? Or that the politics forum has people who want to talk politics? Why is it a problem if the religion forum has a majority of religious people?
Irrational bias maybe?
The point of each forum is evident in its name. If you don't care for Current Events for example, go to another board. But the purpose of the current events board is for people interested in current events. Same for every board.
Is it the religion boards fault that it gets atheists whose only interest is to attack and demean theists obsessively? Are Jews similarly at fault because anti-semites seem to follow them around?
I'm sick of the self-righteous members who think they are better or smarter than theists on the religion board. It is funny because it is atheists who stink up the religion board.
Why the hell are you on the board if you aren't religious? If you don't believe God exists, how many times are you going to come there and tell us?
Circle jerk? What do you call the technology board? How stupid. People on the board, doing exactly what the board was created for, you call a circle jerk.
What are theists on a religion board supposed to discuss Poindexter?
It is your low self-esteem that leads you to pretend the religion board is worse than any other and that you are somehow better. Putting the religion board down does nothing for your status.
My hat off to the mods who have steadily gotten rid of the riff-raff on the religion board. And notice, every one of them have been atheists.
Neither of you buttaching here can hold a candle to Athias, or Rosends, Or PGA2.0, or EtrnlVw. Away with all of you pretentious, self-important pretenders.
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@Seth
Can you not answer my question?
OK, I won't.
Why then would you expect me to answer yours?
I don't.
Why do you get away with abusing other posters when others don't?
Is it possible that your perception that I abuse other posters be only in your head and thus be incorrect? Naa! If you think so, it must be true, right?
You accept that I'm not stupid and that only you are entitled to discuss your stupidity. OK
Ethan hasn't done stupid since he was 2 years old. Please, you should have used the time to cool down. You can disagree without so poorly representing your own side.
A word to the wise....
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@Greyparrot
Because Schumer's comments were dangerous.
This should make clear to everyone that those justices on the left will not decide issues on the merit of law, but on political ideology.
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While I greatly enjoy trolls becoming obsessive about me, I really have no clue how I'm able to get them so insane....fixating on any one user in such unhealthy ways will not be tolerated.
Hari is still obsessing about me to a dead board, and a new guy here (will not be named) already seems to be developing an unhealthy crush on me. If I knew exactly what it was I do that unhinges them, I'd do it more.
I have people following me to different sites babbling about some offense or other, some of them doing so for years!
Perhaps its people already unstable, but even so, why fixate on me so irrationally?
I have a theory about why this is, but I have no proof. Apart from the people who morally equate the stalker and the stalked, it is great fun.
And since I've been online, I have never lacked an obsessed troll on my tail. As they burn out or get banned, another one just happens to pop up like magic.
But honest to God, I do not seek them out. But I must admit, as soon as I detect one, I do toss him for lolz.
Sorry mods. With power comes responsibility. I don't envy the job you have to do.
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@Salixes
You can make arguments that oppose his beliefs without spamming, or constant silly one-liners that are not intended to induce dialogue, or being a monotypic jerk....those who dare to make arguments that oppose your beliefs.
Other atheists do it here everyday. You've had problems with every single site you've been on, and virtually every poster on those sites. When will you face and address your problem?
All the atheists here oppose our beliefs, yet few of them are a detriment to the board, or carry a history of vitriol and bans like scars. Grow up Sal.
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@zedvictor4
Nope. Very few of us think terrorists are good and Jews (zionists) are evil.Basically one and the same.....Aren't we all?
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@oromagi
That speech was even more threatening when placed in context!
how so?
Why do you think Schumer needed to mention supreme court justices specifically? Why those two?
I was on your side till you posted the context, when you did, I saw GP had been correct.
Schumer is actually warning the court not to vote in a way he (and his left wing rabble) doesn't like! And calling out justices by name! Is that not alarming to you?
How can the supreme court be "wrong" when their purpose is to settle right and wrong?
There is no ruling on a matter of law interpretation that the SCOTUS cannot make.
Schumer threatened our democracy. Our system of government. He should be arrested.
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@Greyparrot
Yes! Did you see those triggered sjw's? Cringe-worthy.
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@EtrnlVw
hari is still there spamming stupidity
Lol and harassing the new guy.
The "new guy" is here, and will leave there after he realizes that hari doesn't learn.
All of a sudden too, he is calling his pal Anon a liar. Poor Anon, doesn't even register pain.
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Willows, you listening?Generally, conversation should not closely resemble something I could easily automate with a script.
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@Vader
Sure they can. They were up in arms about Trump banning immigration from countries thousands of miles away from America.They can't be up in arms when they are 1000miles away from going to America.
It should not be Greece's burden to carry them, it should be the EU.
I agree, and said so.
Why are you blaming Greece?
I'm not.
But they aint
I know. That's my point. They should be.
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@oromagi
That speech was even more threatening when placed in context!Let's be sure to notice that the speech only seems threatening when stripped of context:
How can people calling themselves American keep such people in office?
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@Greyparrot
These comments are very, very, dangerous for another reason.
The Supreme court is the final say on issues of Law. An legal decision of the SCOTUS cannot be an "attack". What is Schumer saying? That his view of abortion is superior to the SCOTUS?
Are democrats rejecting the concept of a SCOTUS? Is he saying that a SCOTUS decision can be ignored if they disagree with it?
I think he should be sacked from the Senate.
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@BrotherDThomas
Can't say I didn't warn ya Dee Dee.
Go to DDO, your pal hari is still there spamming stupidity to himself, and someone else from here may join you there shortly.
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@zedvictor4
Only the blood of Jesus washes away sins.
But trust me, your Palestinian friends have more.
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Theist: There are more Christians than Muslims in the world.
Atheist: That doesn't mean Christianity is true! That is the Ad Popullum fallacy!
Theist: Calm down jasper, all I said was that there are more Christians than Muslims. This is true.
Atheist. There are more Muslims than Catholics!
Theist: So?
Atheist: Therefore Christianity is not true!
Theist: Isn't that the Ad popullum fallacy?
Atheist: The Ad POPEllum likes little behinds. Heh, heh, heh!
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@dustryder
@Dr.Franklin
The democrats fail will be complete at the end of Nov. 2020
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@Alec
Seems inconsistent. If you agree with open borders, then you should think a politician who stopped migrants from docking at your posts is guilty of a human rights violation.
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@PGA2.0
...could also be...
No. IS the very thing he claims to loathe in those qualities listed.
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@BrotherDThomas
Your post was again empty of content.
From now on Dee Dee, when you post empty fluff, I'll just ignore you.
Include some actual content, and you may be graced with my attention.
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@Seth
Something tells me you're about to earn your moniker again Capt.
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@ludofl3x
Pray to a human father? Why? Do you mean ask the human dad to rescue the puppy?
No. Just have kids ask their father for things they want and see if any of the requests are "successful".
Everyone can verify the presence of a specific dad immediately...
But you aren't testing the dad remember, you're only testing the requests.
...and you can be sure the prayer is heard and responded to either negatively or positively.
How? The dad may ignore some requests, misunderstand some, and reject some as inappropriate.
"Success" in my experiment is "dog lives."
That is bogus because the dog living is not necessarily God answering.
I think we found the problem with your understanding of the experiment. You're only looking for one god. That's not very scientific.
The number of Gods is immaterial. The problem is in the methodology of your experiment, not the subject of your experiment. Your experiment gives no valid data of the efficacy of prayer.
The study you linked doesn't test the efficacy of prayer. It tests whether people who know they are being prayed for, suffer fewer complications due to the knowledge of being prayed for.
An efficacy test would not allow the patients to know they were being prayed for. Basically this study was testing whether knowing someone cared for them made a difference to their health.
The comments in your link back up my claims.
Intercessory prayer is widely believed to influence recovery from illness, but claims of benefits are not supported by well-controlled clinical trials. Prior studies have not addressed whether prayer itself or knowledge/certainty that prayer is being provided may influence outcome.
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@Greyparrot
But according to progressive PC woke liberals, America is responsible for the negative individual actions of every person on the planet.America does not control the individual actions of every person on the planet.
That is why America should take in every prehistoric troglodyte whose "rights" it has violated by not giving them money.
You are bigoted against non-americans.
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@Seth
Yeah, I know Capt. Obvious. Read my last post to you again. Post #90
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@ludofl3x
...then if whatever you define as "success" happens,
But you are unable to define anything as "success" unless you simply slap the word "success" on some ad-hoc thing.
...you have to study WHY it was successful
And how would you do that with God? Send Him a questionnaire?
If none of the women respond to any of the pickup lines, your results are "these pickup lines appear ineffective and further testing may be warranted."
But the pickup lines may not be ineffective! Your test has told you nothing. And even if a guy successfully picks up a woman, it may not be the pick-up line at all. It may be some other factor.
Regardless of the results, successful pick-up or not) no conclusion you draw from such an experiment will be scientifically valid.
I cited one that's been peer reviewed, you ignored it.
Cite the post #.
Its like you think God is an algorithm or a robot. That anyone can just yell out any petition to Him and he must act.
Which of the five gods are you referring to?
There is only one God.
And why that one?
As there is only one, that is the only one I could refer to.
Either way, God is not an algorithm or a robot.
Just substituting a human father in place of God in your experiment will immediately show your experiments failings.
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@Stephen
God did create her homer, she just could have developed the defect after creation.No and simply because your god according to YOU and the fkn bible created !all fkn things" !!!!!!
I'd settle for you being civil and rational.
I give as good as I get from you Popoff .
I haven't given you any insults or vulgarity in this thread. But even if you can't be civil, at the very least, can't you be rational?
Are you really not smart enough to figure out that some of the things God create change after creation? Really?
Well, since you're now deleting my responses and re-spamming your vulgar post, your post is empty. I addressed everything in it in my last post, the one you deleted.
When you calm down and have something intelligent to say, let me know, but while you're re-spamming I'll be doing something more useful than telling you the same things again that you deleted.
Oh, and I'm trying to get a video of the little girl online that I can link. She's precious.
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@Vader
I say if the EU was sending out boats to find and save migrants from drowning, why can't they also take these migrants in?
If these migrants are "bad" people, why were they up in arms when Trump also tried to deny entry into his country of similarly bad people?
The whole thing stinks of hypocrisy. Especially of Germany. Now that they're losing elections, suddenly that multicultural utopian society they promised isn't so wonderful.
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@ludofl3x
Let's move the test you suggest to different subjects.
Let's say we have a woman at the bar of a club. We are going to send in 10 guys to use a pick-up line on her to see if we get any results. Is that a reasonable test?
Here is what your test is like:
Q: Does the woman like guys?
You don't care, you're just testing pick-up lines.
Q: What body type is the woman attracted to?
You don't care, you're just testing pick-up lines.
Q: Is the woman at the bar working there because she cannot fraternize with customers if she is working.
You don't care, you're just testing pick-up lines.
Q: Does the woman speak the language of the guys trying to pick her up?
You don't care, you're just testing pick-up lines.
Now, a tall Chinese guy successfully picks her up. Is this because his pick-up line was successful, or she was simply attracted to Oriental men?
Maybe she is attracted to short dark men, but the short dark fella didn't smell nice.
Questioning the woman later on why she responded to the Chinese guy, she replies, "he seemed to be rich."
What has your test told you about pick-up lines? Nothing useful. The test is bogus.
The thing I think you're not getting is that you're trying to test a person, not a thing. And no matter how you deny it, the subject will know He's is being tested and that will immediately invalidate the test.
Its like you think God is an algorithm or a robot. That anyone can just yell out any petition to Him and he must act.
I still say there is a reason you don't see experiments like what you described. No one would spend money and time on an experiment that could give no valid and usable results. Why would they?
And any experiment like this would be laughed out of scientific circles as illiterate nonsense.
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@Dr.Franklin
If ol' Sal had been honest, he wouldn't have had anything to make a bogus thread about.
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@zedvictor4
Certainly.
And not just religious prayer, but meditation, mindfulness, and general self-awareness.
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@zedvictor4
I'm not a racist or a bigot, so I rarely worry or focus on ancestry and how far apples fall from trees. Sorry.
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@zedvictor4
As I am not trying to convince you, I think that's a safe bet.But you will never convince me that you were not conditioned to be selectively moral.
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@Stephen
You think everything God creates remains static?
No,...
Then the little girl could have been created free of defect and developed it after creation. Could you not figure out this simplicity on your own?
He's a bit of a dozy forgetful and clueless nobhead at times, isn't he, your god?
He created you didn't He?
According to YOU AND THE BiBLE, he did,
And that same bible calls God the Majestic omnipotent, creator of the universe. I think the bible is more credible than you homer.
But somehow this seems to contradict your statement above suggesting that he had no hand in the creation of " the little girl living today in Ghana today".
My statement suggested no such thing. Its just your poor reading comprehension tripping you up again.
MAKE YOUR FKN MIND UP POPOFF!!!, you want it all ways don't you?
I'd settle for you being civil and rational.
Your coming across as a extremely confused little soul with absolutely no answers to perfectly reasonable questions.
Like, did God make your posts?
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@zedvictor4
The topic was the first American president to attend a march for life. Your anti- semitism made you lash out incoherently against Zionists, your pet name for Jews.As I said Zionism is what it is and the Trump Netanyahu meeting was all about Zionism .
Trump meeting Netanyahu had nothing to do with the subject.
You do know what Zionism is don't you?
I do. I also know what an anti-semite is too. Your country is known to be infected with antisemitism Z. Even more so the liberal party you seem to love. You are probably simply a product of your toxic environment rather than a out and out anti-semite.
I don't believe you for a minute.
Of course you don't. But I'll survive your doubt.
You might tow the party line but that doesn't absolve you of your own thoughts.
Jesus knows and holds me responsible for my thoughts. As His servant and personal property, my morality cannot be selective. I do not have the authority to choose a different moral code.
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@zedvictor4
But that is exactly what ol' Sal bases an "answer" on in his test.One isn't suggesting that if you pray to a god for a box of chocolates. UPS will be popping round next day with a fine Belgian selection.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
-1Thats weak.
Lol. What, you've joined a website judging group?
Do you guys sing too?
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@ludofl3x
No you wouldn't. As you said, some kind hearted atheist could have jumped in and pulled them out.This is why you use the puppy in the sack, in a pool. The only way out of the sack is a miracle, and then, you'd know you had an answered prayer.
Someone could have sabotaged the test with bags the puppies can escape.
By chance there could have been divers under the water where you threw the puppies who set them free.
Your experiment doesn't plan for any of these chance things.
Then you could set up your next experiment, to find out which god answered the prayer. You missed this part, apparently.
You keep saying I missed this part. I didn't. Your experiment cannot tell you if any prayer was answered. All the puppies dying could be God answering all the prayers with a "no". You have no way of differentiating that from a non answer.
Some or all of the puppies surviving does not mean a miracle either. Would you believe it was a miracle if someone told you about such an experiment and puppies surviving? No, you would simply assume there is an unknown factor in the process.
Where is the flaw? Where's your objection?
I keep telling you, but you keep ignoring it.
Prayer can only be tested on what the people who pray say about prayer.
Consider this. Let's say there is a religion that teaches that God doesn't answer any prayer on Mondays. You may conduct your test on Monday, but the people being tested will simply say, "Of course your results showed no prayer answered, God doesn't answer prayer on Mondays!"
To test their claim, you must test THEIR CLAIM about prayer. Just putting a bunch of theists together and having them mouth prayers gives you garbage results.
And even when you get a result that coincides with an answered prayer, you have no way of ruling out some other circumstance, like chance or sabotage.
And why cause the kids to bond with the puppies first? Unless you think more fervent prayers will affect the one they pray to, it is pointless. But if you think more fervent prayer may affect the one being prayed to, then so may knowledge that a test is being conducted.
The experiment doesn't have to mention God, but He is still the one being prayed to and Christianity says God is omniscient.
You cannot depend on any results you get on prayers to an omniscient being. Blind tests cannot be done on Him. And it doesn't matter whether your experiment acknowledges Him or not.
A test on whether prayer "works", is a test on the one being prayed to. This is an inescapable fact.
Your experiment doesn't even address pertinent things concerning scientific methodology.
*Will the kids know of each other?
*How long will they be given to pray?
*If a puppy is retrieved dead but is revived through CPR, will that count as an answered prayer or not?
*If all the bags were found to be sliced open as with a knife, and all puppies survived, would that count as all prayers answered or sabotage?
Please read up on the scientific method. There is a reason no reputable scientists have ever done any prayer experiments.
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@Salixes
When one person closes his mind, and talks to imaginary folks, it's called delusion too!
And when he does it over and over for more than six years, its called compulsive delusion.
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@Seth
Lol, I didn't think you would. Militants tend to be slow on the uptake.
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@Seth
So there is a theory of evolution that is different from Darwin's theory of evolution?
Which one is right? Which one do you believe?
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@fauxlaw
Cool beans. I'm getting a copy now. But I warn you, I'll say so if I think I think its no good. Thanks for the recommendation though. I love books too, especially the different POV of authors from different cultures writing inside and about their cultures.
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@Vader
You could be right, but that is not what is motivating Europe. Greece would bear the brunt of it as it is their border, but why aren't the Europeans all for it?
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@fauxlaw
Welcome.
All true. But to hear you pick Portuguese as having those distinctions was surprising.
As a professional wordsmith, recommend a work of literature you think is beautifully written, something in English but originally in another language is welcome.
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