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Why is the i-phone so popular?
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@zedvictor4
A bit like the wheel.
You must mean more like the car.
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How do people have confident opinions and just know how things work
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@LordLuke
Okay, but is there something about my profile you find contradictory
You label yourself both a Christian and a libertarian.

Thanks
You are most welcome.
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DART Bard, 1st Edition, 1/3/2020
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@SirAnonymous
There should be less doubt about your talent now ya bum. Nice job!
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The New Like Leader
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@Vader
And his list is nothing....
The list is just my personal "must read" list. It isn't trying to be "something". It just is. It doesn't need any agreement or validation from you to be "something".

What really is "nothing" is a "like" count, when even you can multi-like your own post.
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@dustryder
I don't think you understand the concept of evidence. Someone does not have to literally say "I did this" for us to know he did it.
After Kavenough, and now this impeachment scam, I swear the dems are moving us closer to fascism. For them, "Evidence" seems to be whatever they think.

I mean.. different actions are judged differently right?
Imagined actions should not be judged at all.

If I'm trying to find the person who ate my cookie, the person who most likely ate it is the person whose breath smells of cookies, whose hands and mouth is covered in cookie crumbs, and the person who ten other people say did it.
If you're trying to find the person who ate your cookie, the person who most likely ate it is not necessarily the person whose breath you say smells of cookies, whose hands and mouth you say is covered in cookie crumbs, and the person who ten other people say did it, while ten others say he didn't, especially when you've been accusing the person of everything except stealing the kitchen sink since before the oven was even hot.

I'm not asking you for why you think there isn't a crime. I'm asking you if you understand why other people think there is a crime and if you can list the facts that make them think so. 
And I answered you. It's called TDS. There is no crime. There was no crime on collusion. There was no crime when Shiff claimed to have proof. There was no crime with Judge Kavenaugh. No crime in the Mueller report. There was no crime with Ukraine. No bribery. No quid pro quo, and no impeding of justice, as seen from the lame charges that did not include those crimes dems swore were cookie crumbs on Trumps face.

There are two types of people calling Trump a criminal. Dishonest partisan dems, and the innocent sheep who have been fooled by the sheer repetition of accusations.

There's nothing to be impartial about really.
My guess is that if you are ever accused, you would want objectivity in your judges.

The objective facts of what he has done are plainly recorded for all to see.
And the entire Republican party, and half of America, and even some democrats don't see it! We all see the facts, your biased interpretation of those facts is the issue.

The only people seeing it are lib dems.

Or in other words, are you a honest actor and are making fair judgments based upon reading and understanding the objective facts or are you a gibbering moron without any critical thinking skills?
Lol, agree with lib dems or you're a gibbering moron without any critical thinking skills huh? Your critical thinking skills are impressive.

Do you think Shiff and Polosi are "honest actors"? Please don't make me puke talking about honesty.

If Trump is innocent until proven guilty, the burden is on his accusers to show how their understanding the objective facts prove his guilt.

You can't do so without assuming motive and intent to Trump unjustifiably. Basically, you think he's guilty because you think he's guilty.

If the American people don't stand up to this nonsense now, what happened to Kavenaugh will be commonplace.

Just an accusation, an accusation only, with the accuser offering or remembering no details, their own witnesses contradicting them, and questions to the accuser being off limits because of political correctness, will be considered proof of guilt.

Count me with the gibbering morons dusty. I find them preferable to jack booted fascist thugs.
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Flat earth does not work
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@Nemiroff
Your doing the same mistake most round earthers do, you don't understand flat earth arguments.
I'm satisfied that I've beaten every one of them I have debated.

They dont believe in gravity, and droplets do not form spheres due to gravity. The analogy falls flat, so does your argument.
I was not presenting an argument, I was giving an example of the process of getting them to agree to a scientific truth, and then having to violate it to explain their belief.

Planets and stars are spherical because of gravity.

Im afraid your the one making a weak point in the context of your opponent.
I was not debating him or offering a point. I was telling you that your points were weak, not offering better points. We aren't competing.... Yet.

I do agree that a common point is necessary, and we all agree lunar eclipses happen. I think my argument against flat earth is much stronger then yours, no offense.
Have you convinced him yet? Did he offer any counters to my argument?

No offense taken.
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2020 Presidents?
I understand a person wanting women to have the freedom to choose an abortion, what I don't get are the people who seem to think abortion is the moral option.

They immediately start pushing abortion the moment a pregnant woman walks in. From how they talk, you can tell all they're interested in is abortion. They prefer abortion to birth.

Its like a death cult.
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Trump's Impeachment may actually fuck Elizabeth Warren the most
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@Greyparrot
Even that would not make them right.

Is Biden free from investigation because he is a candidate?

When the Obama administration investigated the Trump campaign, was that also a crime? Would his girl Hillery have benefitted from a guilty Trump?
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One Of The Most Enigmatic Verse In All Christianity
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@Athias
They couldn't "die with [Lazarus]" if Lazarus was already dead. But if the disciples were to follow Jesus into Judaea, then there they could "die with him." Not to mention, the chapter starts almost immediately with his disciples warning him that he'd be risking death trying to resurrect Lazarus; if Jesus was going to Judaea to resurrect Lazarus, why would Thomas state that they should go there with Jesus to die with Lazarus? Your conjecture makes no sense. Furthermore, your reference concludes with Jesus's being marked for death by the Pharisees.

It was so good, I had to post it again.

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examples of faith from atheists
There are several satellites in our solar system with confirmed liquid water under icy surfaces. 
No sir. Hypothesis, not confirmed fact. But still, the larger planets were missed?

It isn't my imagination that scientists are rethinking the abiogenesis clunker. But it has been my experience that materialists usually decline to consider the implications of what they believe.

you are confusing the definition of the word with the process by which it happens.
How so? There is a connection between the definition and the process no?

you don't understand what a logical fallacy is. There's really no reason to continue this discussion with you then.
Lol. OK. But I notice you dodged the question when I used water instead of life in your argument. Same logical structure, just with water instead of life.

OK. Bye bye.
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examples of faith from atheists
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@EtrnlVw
Excellent post.

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Hyprocisy
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@Greyparrot
Ikr? Lol
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Hyprocisy
However evidence has suggested that this was not his primary motivation in withholding aid
Untrue. You are guessing at his motivation. You do not, and cannot know it. And no motivation can be a crime, just an action. And Ukraine got the funds without doing anything.

This does not impact how we criticise what Trump did or did not do. 
If you are one of the people saying what Obama did was OK but Trumps was a crime, I will dismiss you as someone hopelessly biased.

People would not be complaining if aid were delayed on the basis of the determination of corruption
Who's complaining? Only the lib dems, and they have been complaining since Jan 2016. Excuse me if we doubt your impartiality.

what were the facts of the Ukraine case that you think have led people to think that it was a smear job, and why are those people wrong about their interpretation of those facts?
This whole thing has nothing to do with Ukraine or a phone call. There are no "facts" that show a crime. Shiff claimed he had proof that Trump colluded. Where is it?

Polosi was sure Trump was guilty before she got the transcript of the phone call. Trump is innocent till proven guilty, he will not be convicted on your assumptions of his intentions.
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Does "the scripture" actually say this at all,.... anywhere?
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@ludofl3x
How do you explain the majority of people alive today not believing in what you believe,
I only need explain people who take the medicine and are NOT cured, not people who never took it.

..and the dozens of billions who've passed on never believing it?
I did not say more people believed, I said that those who believed found it answered their questions. That counters your solitary claim that it doesn't address the deep questions of life.

I'd explain it kind of the same way as a baby wants a pacifier when mom's breast isn't available. A baby wants comfort, wants to feel like things are okay. The pacifier sates that section of the child's brain, provided you're not talking about legitimate hunger. You can comfort a child this way, but that doesn't make a pacifier a real breast.
Then yours is a poor explanation. For people who try Christianity stick with it, and find it gives them more than just superficial comfort, but sustenance. It is the breast and not the pacifier.
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Does "the scripture" actually say this at all,.... anywhere?
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@Stephen
you are correct.
Thank you. Welcome amoung those who know.

The scripture referred to by Jesus is not the OT. How do I know this? 
Because I told you in post #16 of this thread.

And I still don't know and neither do you what scripture Jesus was referring to, Popoff.
But now you know that not all scripture is in the bible, that some have been lost to history, and that the bible was not in existence in 33AD.

And that Jesus was not claiming that the scripture He quoted was in the bible, so you saying he was wrong was....well, wrong.

You are a lot less ignorant than when you first started pretending.

You're welcome.
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My Must Read Members List
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@EtrnlVw
I totally agree on Casten but she seems to be taking a break from the site after her poor treatment in the bsh1 incident.

I hope she comes back soon. The site is certainly less without her.

Thanks.
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Who Killed The "giant" Goliath ?
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@Stephen
Do you see that Popoff.  
I do Cletus.

And you tell me I am confused.
You are. You just don't know it yet.

I should think anyone but complete and utter cretinous moron would be confused,
Well, I don't know if you're cretinous.

...especially if he hadn't even bothered to  actually compare verse and bibles.
We compared them, but you are playing pretend not to see. Dance for us loser.

2nd Samuel 21:22 - These FOUR were the descendants of Rapha in Gath, and they fell at the hands of David and his men.
See that verse shemp? Four Philistine  men called Golaith were killed over the years. Two were brothers, but all were descendants of Rapha.

Are you aware that these men were all from the same family? They were all very large men. Because you are ignorant, you think only one man could have the name. Why?

So get you act together Popoff, you have some serious explaining to do.
Why? Because you're dumb? The text tells you there were four men, giants of the same family, killed by David and his men.

The text even names the four Hebrew men who killed each one. Yet you stupidly insist there was only one man.

Read 2nd Samuel 21:22 and tell us what it's it talking about Jethro. Goliath was obviously a family name.

Or will you pretend not to see 2nd Samuel 21:22 for a little while longer? Not through shucking and jiving yet?

Its almost like you loath yourself.
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Hypocritical Liberals
Then don't HB. Methinks thou doth protest too much.

I will decide what I do. You do the same for you. I don't think you're nuts, you're something worse. You're dishonest.

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@ludofl3x
Please demonstrate how you avoid this. 
I don't have to avoid anything. I only have to follow the science. Where there is no evidence, I say I don't know.

Science says life always comes from life. Science currently has no clue how life started in the universe. But so what? Science at one time didn't know what caused the common cold. That didn't hamper the fact that science knew colds were infectious.

I keep telling you what science says and you keep asking me to guess on things science does not yet know. What science does not know does not disallow what science does know.

What is the starting point of this 2000 years? 
On Earth Ludo, on Earth.

You aren't making guesses because you know your guess is a contradiction in terms:
No. I'm not making guesses because guessing is not science.

If at point A, there was no life, and at point C there is life, then life came about abiogenetically by definition. 
That is a logical fallacy. If at point A, there was no life, and at point C there is life, then EITHER life came about  in a way we don't yet know, or your premise is incorrect.

You're saying it didn't because we've never seen it happen, I get that. But I'm saying what then is your alternative: life only comes from life? If so, where'd that life come from?
We don't currently know! What? You reject science not knowing everything?

But in not knowing, why in the world would we substitute a theory with no evidence, that never been known to occur, and goes against what we have observed since we've been keeping records? Why?

Because there is no alternative you say. But assuming because science doesn't know is NOT science! It's superstition.

And worse, you are assuming something that has not one scrap of scientific evidence for it! None.

Yes, we've found 4000 planets. In the last forty years! And you apparently believe all of these planets have been thoroughly explored.
You aren't thinking.

Given the time scales of your theory..
1. The universe should be infested with life, it should be everywhere.
2. Some of that life should have by now, like us, attained advanced technology. We (and they ) should by now have picked up radio frequency radiation.
3. Some of that life should have already  reached very advanced technology and should have discovered us already.
4. No life being found in the universe so far, no life in the solar system, no life on Earth, is evidence that supports life only from life, and life never from abiogenesis.

Let me ask you some questions.
How did water get on Earth? Do you know that the Earth is unique not only in having life, but in having water?

The theory was that water was brought to Earth by comets. Why did those comets miss all the other planets?

Now a developing theory says the Earth always had water. Scientists are finding out that the water on the Earth is as old as the sun.

Are we to think that water spontaneously generated on Earth because no alternative theory exists? Or because oxygen and hydrogen existed so....water?

Science currently says that the earth was at one time too hot to have water. Yet water is here now. Plenty of it.

If at point A, there was no water, and at point C there is water, then water came about spontaneously by definition. 

Is this logical?

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Does "the scripture" actually say this at all,.... anywhere?
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@ludofl3x
...it just punctuates them and provides no real information. 
How do you then explain 2 billion living people and billions more now passed on finding answers in it?

To me they're the same:
So what? To others they aren't the same. Is your subjective experience supposed to be the standard for truth?
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Does "the scripture" actually say this at all,.... anywhere?
The Old Testament was the first place I looked simply because the bible is also "scripture" . Are you saying that I shouldn't have even looked to the Old Testament scripture for something that was said by the Christ in the New Testament scripture.?
I'm saying you were ignorant and didn't know it was not in the OT. And worse, when you found that it wasn't, you stupidly assumed Jesus was "wrong".

Are you saying I was silly to even have look there in the OT?
I'm saying you were ignorant. And even more so when you stupidly assumed Jesus was "wrong" when you didn't find it.

Anyone with an ounce of sense would have also looked to the Old Testament for the reference Christ makes in the New Testament 
No one with an ounce of sense would have concluded Jesus was wrong when they didn't find it, or assumed the quote by Jesus was a "verse".

The fact remains you didn't fkn know the answer to my question but instead preferred argument and conflict and are now simply posting even more unnecessary and irrelevant bullshite
I knew the answer shemp. That's how you now know the answer. I told you. That's why you don't have to now look in the bible or stupidly conclude that Jesus was wrong.

No amount of stupidity now will change that.
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@dustryder
The reality is that Trump did initially withhold aid.
True. As he was charged by law to make sure the taxpayers hard earned money was not wasted.

I'm not sure if Obama did or did not as well.
Obama never gave them the aid in lethal weapons they needed. Trump did. That's why it is so disgusting to hear democrats cry now about how desperate Ukraine was under the boot of Russia. Why didn't Obama give them the defensive weaponry they needed? But Trump, who did give them the aid, is accused of what Obama did!

On the other-hand whether he did or did not is irrelevant to whether Trump did himself.
It is very relevant. Trump did not withhold aid, Obama did. And it is Obama administration flunkies accusing Trump of doing what Obama did.

The interpretation that it was a smear job is fairly reasonable given the facts.
Nonsense. The Senate and half the country have seen the same "facts" and do not agree. Add that to the fact that every democrat has assumed Trump was guilty since 2016 and we know "the facts" had nothing to do with their interpretation.

Here's an interesting exercise for you: are you able to describe the specific facts of this incident that have led people such as HistoryBuff into thinking that it was a smear job yourself?
Sure. TDS. HistoryBuff is suffering from a bad case of TDS. He doesn't wish to answer questions, so he has blocked me.

The only people who dodge questions are the guilty. That is why courts of law can force a defendant to answer questions.

If any progressive democrat was not terrified to do so, I could ask him questions that would quickly show either his deceit or his delusion. Only questions.
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@Stephen
And if you had read the whole of my post you would see that I agree with you.
Lie. You chose phrases like,
"on the one hand we are led  to believe...that a lowly shepherd boy .... killed a "giant", to give the impression that the story was not credible.

my point is, -  this is what we are led to believe UNLESS WE READ the scriptures FOR OURSELVES. 
Is it not the same scripture that calls him "a mighty valiant man” and “a man of war” who was “prudent in matters” and had already "slain a bear and a lion" himself?

So now you can explain this to those reading here.
I'll explain it to you, since you're one obviously confused.

I suppose now that you are going to...
Shut up and stop supposing. It is your silly assumptions that make you keep shaming yourself publicly. Ask your question, and then shut up and listen.

Here is what the ESV says…
1st Samuel 17:50 - So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and struck the Philistine and killed him. There was no sword in the hand of David.

Here is what the NASB says…
1st Samuel 17:50 – Thus David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone, and he struck the Philistine and killed him; but there was no sword in David’s hand.

Here is what the NIV says...
1st Samuel 17:50 - So David triumphed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone; without a sword in his hand he struck down the Philistine and killed him.

So all four bible versions agree that David killed Goliath with a slingshot. That is the answer to your question. You may now start pretending you don't see it.

Now let me tell you where your ignorance has triped you up. It will be embarrassing for you, but ridding yourself of ignorance is worth it.

In the above there isn't even a mention of a "brother of Goliath"
So what? 1st and 2nd Samuel are separate books written years apart. 1st Samuel mentions the height of Goliath, 2nd Samuel doesn't. The two stories need not mention every tidbit that is mentioned in  the other.

By the time of 2nd Samuel, the David and Goliath story was well known, so the author was giving an overview of all the wars of that period, not a detail account of each one.

The exact verse - minus "the brother of" - can be found in other text which appear to agree on the above text  for instance:
Yes, all the versions agree. Is that not how it should be?

are you going to plumb for  the - ' there were  two giants named Goliath ' bullshit also without evidence.
How can you be so ignorant and yet so militant? It's fascinating.

There were 4 goliaths actually, not 2. And if you had read the texts instead of cutting and pasting from a website like a biased dweeb, you wouldn't be this clueless.

2nd Samuel 21:18
2nd Goliath
War against - Philistines
War location – Gob
Hero – Sibbecai the Hushathite
Villain – Saph, descendant of Rapha

2nd Samuel 21:19
3rd Goliath
War against - Philistines
War location – Gob
Hero – Elhanan, son of Jaare-Oregim, of Bethlehem
Villain – Goliath the Gittite

2nd Samuel 21:20
4th Goliath
War against - Philistines
War location – Gath
Hero – Jonathan, son of Shimeah, and David’s brother
Villain – Goliath the Gittite

And the evidence for this is in the text.

2nd Samuel 21:22 - These FOUR were the descendants of Rapha in Gath, and they fell at the hands of David and his men.

See? Either you didn't read the passages, or your reading comprehension is just piss poor. Or you're lying again.

You saw the word Goliath, and again immediately and stupidly assumed it was the same person, and ran squeaking your head off like a clueless ignorant.

Are you a sadist?
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@zedvictor4
Unpopular ideas can be silenced, and inconvenient facts kept dark, without the need for any official ban, not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that ‘it wouldn’t do’ to mention that particular fact.

So far as the daily newspapers go, this is easy to understand. The American press is extremely liberal, and most of it is owned by wealthy men who have every motive to be dishonest on certain important topics.

But the same kind of veiled censorship also operates in books and periodicals, as well as in plays, films and radio. At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed that all right-thinking progressives will accept without question.

It is not exactly forbidden to say this, that or the other, but it is ‘not done’ to say it. Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself cancelled with surprising effectiveness.

A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never given a fair hearing, either in the fake news media, or in the highbrow periodicals.

Orwell could have been writing about 21st century America.
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2020 Presidents?
Congress keeps sending huge spending bills that balloon the deficit.

Dems: Trump failed in his promise to bring down the deficit.

Trump appropriates funds for the border wall without congress.

Dems: Only congress has the authority to appropriate funds!

Can the class say hypocrisy? I thought it could.
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Trump's Impeachment may actually fuck Elizabeth Warren the most
Several members of the senate have already announced their verdict without having seen or heard the evidence. 
Unlike the members of the House who have been braying about impeachment since 2016? Or claiming they had evidence of Trumps collusion? Or call him a traitor 6 months ago? Does reality matter to lib dems?

The leader of the senate is saying he is going to co-ordinate with the president's lawyers and that they won't allow any witnesses. That is like the foreman of a jury saying they will coordinate with the defense attorney.
He said it publicly. Adam Shiff coordinated with the so called whistle blower secretly, and then lied about it.

Which of them do you think has something to hide? Really, does reality matter to lib dems?
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Ukraine is in a war with Russia. They need that aid to defend themselves. Trump withheld it 
Obama withheld it. Not Trump. Why does reality not matter to lib dems?

...exchange for a smear job on his rival. 
Lie. Trump asked for an investigation, you interpret that as asking for a smear job, fine, but your biased interpretation is not reality.

Which is why Nancy is now withholding sending the articles to the Senate, and why Trump will be acquitted.

Luckily, reality doesn't change when liberals ignore it.
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-->@HistoryBuff

I have every right to trash my culture and religion if I want to. 
You have the freedom, not the right.

I have seen how terrible Christianity is.
Your perception of your subjective experience is not the history of Christianity.

But these wing-nuts making the Netflix show are not trying to make a statement about the evils of Christianity or right any perceived wrong.

They want viewers, and the easy low road is to pick something popular, something cherished, and insult it.

Behavior like that diminishes our society.

The OP points out, correctly, that liberals will condemn a similar depiction of Islam as islamo, and homo, phobic, but will defend the producers if the target is Christianity.

He calls that hypocrisy. He is correct.
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@zedvictor4
At the end of the proverbial day, social reality for the majority of people (Christians included) is far more about turning a buck than it is about religion.
And you know this how? It seems to me you are telling us your personal belief, not an empirical fact.

And your personal beliefs are informed by the anti-theist bubble in which you live.

And making a fast buck is fair game for Liberals and Conservatives alike. There's no moral high ground to be had.
Sure there is. There is nothing necessarily wrong in making a buck, fast or slow. But feeding off the popularity of others to make a buck by insulting the popular is moral low ground.
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Edward Snowden Interview with Brian Williams
Why is it that the people who blather most about "integrity" have none?

Greyparrot = bird brain and I thought Dr. Franklin  was biggist bird brain here.
Yet neither Greyparrot or Doc has returned your insult. But you're supposed to be the one with integrity?

What is integrity to you? Insulting people first? Being a partisan hack? Being consumed with your own imagined integrity? What?
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@LordLuke
I've been really disliking my life for like the past 3-and-a-half 
One guess would be because you hold so many contradicting beliefs, they are causing cognitive dissonance within you that is being felt as a vague overall sense of dissatisfaction. This dissatisfaction causes ennui, and makes you not want to do anything.

You dont know why you're dissatisfied, you don't know why you do nothing, but you blame yourself for it, and that only causes you to feel even more dissatisfied. On an on it goes, making you feel you're on a merry-go-round that won't stop and you can't get off.

But its just a guess going by your profile.
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Posters on Marijuana
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@TwoMan
@Alec
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I agree that smoking anything has detrimental health effects. There are other ways to consume marijuana that don't involve combustion. Edible products and vaporizing are two of them.
And now we know vaping can be even more dangerous than smoking.

-->@Alec

Weed I heard can strengthen brain connections in developed brains.
You heard wrong.

There are pros and cons to cannabis and it should be up to the individual to decide if it's right for them.
That is a different issue from this thread's topic.
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One Of The Most Enigmatic Verse In All Christianity
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@EtrnlVw
The new mod team is up to snuff. Give it time. As the dead-weights leave, higher quality posters will come in.

We just need to get past our bad reputation, and posters like you and PGA2.0 help greatly.

...thank God you're here to deal with the trolls.
 Just doing my job Sir.  ; )
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@SirAnonymous
Actually, if you had read the whole chapter, you would have noticed that David was anything but a "mummies boy." 
I bet he hasn't read a single word from that book. He takes his clunkers off an atheist website and copy pasta them here.

Because of his poor reading comprehension, one never knows what he's understanding as he reads. The text could say the sky is blue, and our genius could come away thinking about electric turtles.

On a side note, one of the best sermons I ever heard was on the 5 stones David picked up as he approached Goliath. Wish I could find that sermon again.
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@Stephen
David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; 

And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, 

This isn't the only shortfall in this story.
You showed no shortfall goober.

David killed Goliath and Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath. Where's the shortfall?

we are led  to believe that a lowly shepherd boy the youngest of 7 killed a "giant".
Something tells me Jethro doesn't know what a slingshot is.

And this "Giant" how tall was he? Do you know?

this story is slightly confusing...
Why? David killed Goliath and Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath. What's confusing about that?

and no doubt our biblical theist scholars will attempt to explain the question away
What question? The explanation is in the text shemp.

..by rewriting the pertinent verses if not the whole saga,
I just explained the dumbness of your  question without rewriting anything.

...we got it all wrong and don't understand what we have been reading.
Do you? Well, you seem to not know the difference between Goliath and brother of Goliath.

Your question indicates you don't understand what you've been reading. But that is typical for you.
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@Stephen
That is because you stupidly think "scripture" means bible.

No. 
Yes. That is why you searched the bible, and then stupidly concluded Jesus' claim was in error because you couldn't find it in the bible.

...that is why I clearly separated the two by asking " which scripture".
You meant, which scripture in the bible.

I knew, and have said that it wasn't in the bible. 
After you searched for it in ignorance.

you stretched this thread out with your pages of unnecessary and irrelevant bullshit just for the hell of it. 
Lol. That is what being tossed for lolz feels like homer.

You pretend, and I'll burn you.
You lie, and I'll burn you.
And I can keep burning you longer than you can keep posting nonsense.

Try me.
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@Stephen
Then show us how instead of simply shouting like a retard.

I already did.
No. You just disagreed, you did not explain why the "him" refers to Lazarus.

Jesus was their Lord and Master. Later in the story, they will confess that they would die for Him. They were concerned that going into Judea would result in Jesus' death. They knew going there was risking death. And they all did eventually die for him.

All of this and you say the "die with him" refers to Lazerus! How inane.

But post the passage yet again, maybe the spam will convince the Gentle Readers your posts aren't nonsense.

You are so lost in your hate and bias, you actually think spam posting verses work for you.

The verse isn't enigmatic. You're just ignorant. And like all ignorant people, you think anything you don't know, is an error.

Go ahead, post it again. Your hate and compulsion will force you. And the Gentle Reader will stop reading your repetitive spam. I won't have to point out your cluelessness.
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@Stephen
You were so dumb, you thought Jesus had made a "false" claim.

I have seen no proof that says otherwise, especially from YOU Popoff.
That is because you stupidly think "scripture" means bible.

Do you know how dumb that is? When Jesus spoke the word, the bible didn't exist, thus, He could not have been saying "scripture" as in bible.

Yet you went looking in the bible, like an ignorant. Now, trying to top your ignorance, you want "proof" that Jesus didn't mean "bible" - when there was no such thing as a bible!

Your ignorance is impressive.

I had a warning for calling you stupid but you can refer to me as dumb, I have to wonder why that is, are you a secret mod?
The mods aren't stupid, and they know when someone tries to manipulate them.

But complaints work better with them if you aren't an abuser yourself. You will find that no one will insult you if you stop insulting others. Try it.
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@LordLuke
Read a lot. And I mean a lot.
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You only posted the question. 

That is correct.
Then you lied when you claimed that I said nothing else.

I posted much more.

You did. Pages of unnecessary and irrelevant bullshit.
I told you that what you were looking for wasn't in the bible, and that you were dumb to think it was.

That is why you don't include it in your replies, you have to pretend.

...questions about religious matters, ones that I know that  - especially YOU -  cannot answer. 
Lol. I answered you Jasper. But are you actually blaming me for something lost to history? How clueless are you?

You were so dumb, you thought Jesus had made a "false" claim.

It appears that the claim by Jesus appears to be false. 
Lol.
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@Stephen
You are now trying to tell us all here that this story is about those disciples wishing to "die" along with Jesus and not Lazarus . This  is nothing short of complete denial and out right lies. 
Then show us how instead of simply shouting like a retard.

The whole story is about Lazarus supposedly "dying" and Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead.
Then to what purpose is the discourse about the Jews of Judea wanting to kill Jesus and the disciples caution about going there again?

And YOU still haven't explained why these pathetic disciples would want to "die" in the first place, have you Popoff!!!? 
They did not want to die genius, but were willing to go into Judea with their Lord and Master even if it meant they might die with Him.

If you had any knowledge of the text you're criticizing, you would know of the incident in Judea that caused the disciples to be concerned about the safety of Jesus.

But you are dishonest and ignorant, and are clueless about your ignorance. So you go for the totally absurd idea that the "pathetic" disciples want to die with Lazarus, and not Jesus.

Post the passage again, maybe the spam will convince the Gentle Readers your posts aren't nonsense. 
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@EtrnlVw
3RU7AL sometimes lurches into occasional weirdness. One time he suddenly began mirror posting. I felt it was very unlike him.

Maybe there are two people with access to his account. The smart one we usually see, and the .... less smart... one who once in a while pops up.
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Yes  I know. here it is again; 
You only posted the question. I posted much more. Stop lying. Its obvious.

It would be bad enough that you're ignorant, but it is inexcusable that you're a liar. 

My professional training covered the lying troll. Even the rare subset of the lying troll who doesn't care that his lies are obvious.

Lies only work if they fool people, obvious lies don't fool anyone, and therefore don't work. So they can be left to die unmolested.

That means you lie out of spite, and not from the logical, but dubious need to support a point. You are the most enjoyable kind of liar to confront.

Your lies are so obvious, I don't have to waste time pointing them out, and can spend all my time tossing you for lolz.

Your compulsion will force you to soon come out with another clunker, and I will burn you again. You will fume as you pretend and lie, and I will toss you like a rhubarb salad, and the Gentle Readers will be entertained.

Why delay the inevitable?
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There ya go.
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@sadolite
if some one walked up to me and pointed a gun at my head and told me to prove the earth is not flat without books or the internet I could not do it.
The Earth cannot be flat because of gravity. Any heavenly body with the mass of Earth or greater would be "crushed" into spherical by its own gravity.

If that body came into being by gradual accumulation of interstellar dust, it will be almost perfectly spherical.

This is why we NEVER see any heavenly body the mass of Earth that isn't spherical. The sun and moon obviously aren't flat.

Unless flat earthers are saying, only the Earth is flat, then they must be wrong. Gravity would be wobbly on a flat earth as it would diminish perceptively close to the edge, and pull you away from the edge rather than pulling you down.

I only need two things to prove the Earth is not flat to a flat earther.

1. That he be educated, and
2. That he be honest.

Short of those things, even taking him up to space in a spacecraft and showing him the spherical Earth would not convince him.
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@Dr.Franklin
And it drives them nuts about you Doc. They give you all they have, and you just keep floating like a butterfly and stinging like a bee.

In the end they lose, not because you knocked them out, but because they saw they couldn't knock you out!
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@SirAnonymous
Some will, and some won't. But you don't post enough, so too few know you.

But remember, the number of people agreeing or disagreeing does not change your innate talent at all.

You got to be the way you are partly because you weren't consumed with popularity in the first place.
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Bsh1 I am coming for you boy, you fucking know that right? I will dethrone you and that's a promise like no other.

Roger doger
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@SirAnonymous
I wouldn't describe myself with any of those terms.
Which is part of the reason they so correctly apply to you.
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@SirAnonymous
Dropped in the People section.

My Must Read Members List.

I made a list, I checked it twice. You were nice.
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