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@zedvictor4
You may have a point, but I've heard many refer to death as a process.
In fact, there is a famous saying, "we start dying on the day we're born."
For me myself, non-existence and therefore non-participation has never bothered me much. I've never been big on participation with the world anyway.
I wouldn't want my death to hurt, or hurt my family. Other than those things, its just a necessary change.
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@ebuc
Ive been very clear and not misunderstood any of your comments.
And yet you keep talking about something I didn't mention?
UBI is irrelevant.
Not to the creator of this thread it isn't.
Universal Standard of living is relevant { UBL }
Relevant to what? Why don't you make your own thread about it instead of trying to force this thread to your preferred topic?
That your not able to make the distincion between the two,
I can. But I choose my topics, not you. I was the one who told you they were not the same. I made the distinction.
...nor to see how UBI income economics is irrelevant to standard of living.
I've said nothing about standards of living, so I have no clue how you would know what I think is relevant to it.
UBIncome does not stem from heart/soul/biologic.
Irrelevant to this thread.
UNLiving does stem from heart/soul/bioloigc as spiritual moralty.
Irrelevant to this thread. Whatever UNliving is to you.
Do onto others as you would have them do onto you.
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That you dont get that or any morality is not surprise to me.
I get it. It just is irrelevant here. I don't have to comment on every silly statement you make.
The thread has a topic. Address that, or make your own thread.
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@WaterPhoenix
Thank you WP! Why can't people see that?
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@Paul
Then I did NOT call anyone stupid BECAUSE they belonged to a political party. And whether doing so or not is bigoted doesn't matter to me because I did not do so.
Actually, I inferred that one had to be stupid to be a Democrat. Some liberals are not democrats. Some of those non-democrat liberals are not idiots.
...there are plenty of really intelligent people that are liberals just like there are plenty of really intelligent people that are religious.
Quite true. Being religious does not necessarily entail being stupid, but being a Jehovah's Witness does. Just like being liberal does not necessarily entail being stupid, but being a democrat does.
I knew you could get it if you let your PC group-think go for a bit. I'm proud of you.
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@Paul
Its difficult to debate American atheists on this topic because they assume I'm trying to argue for a god and immediately start rolling out their rote "God does not exist" argument.
And that gets in the way of a purely science discussion of the topic.
I am not willing to ascribe some kind of magical unseen force to it just yet.
Lol. I guess, to this atheist, pure science is a magical unseen force.
Paul, would you happen to be an American atheist?
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@zedvictor4
Here is a book that has changed human history. It is the most printed, the most studied, the most quoted, and the most cherished.
It has inspired great architecture, great literature, great art. It is studied by non-theists for its intellectual depth and stellar prose. It has affected every language on Earth.
Even our history is bisected by the story it tells, millions love it, millions memorise it, many millions more have cherished it. People go to school for years to study it.
But Zed the great wizard says it makes no sense. Imagine how much more the bible would have done if it did make sense! Lol.
Comments like his remind me of the illiterate primitive saying Shakespeare is nonsense. The comment says way more about your ignorance and hubris than it does about the bible Zed of Oz.
You have the internet. All the learning of past generations at your fingertips. You can self publish to the world instantly. Yet you will never write anything as influential, as beautiful, and as essential as a single verse in the bible.
After even your descendants no longer remember you, the bible will still be cherished, still be studied, still be quoted.
Lot of good "making sense" did you.
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@Stephen
Your stupidity is clear.
You say Thomas is referring to Lazarus but can't say why. You just want it accepted though your interpretation makes no sense.
The passage itself shows your claim to be idiotic. What do you think verses, 8, 9, and 10 are saying?
The whole story is about the "death" of LAZARUS, and the "raising" of Lazarus as any scholar and infant school child can tell you.
No one said it wasn't Jethro. But when Thomas said let us go and die with him, he was talking about dying with Jesus in case the Jews of Judea succeeded in killing Him. Would you like a quarter to buy a clue?
Jesus for some reason says that Lazarus is "only sleeping"...
Lazarus woke up did he not? If you knew Christian doctrine, and was not ignorant, you would know that those in Christ, like Lazarus, do not die, but only sleep, waiting for the day they will be awoken by Christ. You aren't even aware that the bible often refers to Christians who have died as asleep. Because you are ignorant.
This is the best you got? This is your strange and anomalous (lol) and enigmatic passage? And because anti-theists who have never read the passage chime in, you think you're right?
Do your usual song and dance about rewriting verses, but the verses were posted. Your claim is dumb, and you cannot say why you think Thomas was referring to Lazarus.
That's why you started out by placing your slant on the verse before you posted it.
Sorry Habib. You're still fake. You're still empty, and again you've addressed none of my rebuttals. Tossing you is enjoyable!
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@Paul
OK. I'll assume learning disability that you are unaware you have.
Maybe after enough people point it out to you, you won't be able to pretend it's other people anymore.
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@SirAnonymous
OK. History is cool.
If you get a chance, watch that movie. It has a connection to your name and has a history related theme.
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@Stephen
...for example, the passage of the last supper says clearly why no one questioned why Judas left, either you have never read the passage, or you are a blatant liar, thinking no one will read the passage and see you're lying.
Is the reason why Judas left the supper mentioned in the passage? If you say "no", I'll expose your lie, if you say "yes", I'll ask why are you pretending it isn't there? What do you say Habib?
post #11
You post stupidity such as "why didn't any of the disciples question Judas leaving?" When it clearly says right there in the text that the disciples supposed Judas was being sent on an errand. Are you that poor a reader, or are you just ignorant?
I have nothing to be fraudulent about.
This is true. Which makes your fakery curious. Why lie? Why post fake verses? Obviously you don't really believe the bible has contradictions or else you wouldn't need to fake verses or lie about the bibles contents. You post fakery because you know the unchanged verses are correct.
Make you mind up you contradictory buffoon!!!!!: You always fail to defend your corner ALWAYS!!!
Calm down Cletus. My mind is made. You are a fake. A fraud. You make fake claims then run away from the rebuttals, pretending they aren't there.
This is what not wasting time on you feels like. You seem to be enjoying it. Now, be yourself and dodge post #10 and #11 again. The Gentle Readers won't see you dodge yet again. Lol.
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@Stephen
Really? Let's take a look see.The "him" which "Thomas, which is called Didymus" is referring to is a supposedly very "dead" Lazarus.
1 Now a certain man was sick,...
3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.
5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.
7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.
8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?
9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
15 ....nevertheless let us go unto him.
16 Then said Thomas, .....unto his fellow disciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him.
Jesus - ...let us go unto him.
Thomas - Let us also go [with him], that we may die with him.
Go where? To Judea, where the Jews there wanted to kill Jesus.
And you think the "him" of Thomas refers to Lazarus? Who's already dead? Really?
Thomas is referring to Jesus, Jethro, not Lazarus. That is why verses 8, 9, and 10 are included in the narrative. The disciples are prepared to go to Judea and die with Jesus if it comes to that because Jesus is determined to go there.
No you can commence your obtuse game of pretending you don't see this post.
Oh, and this verse is not strange or enigmatic or anomalous to anyone but you. Do you even know what anomalous means?
Please look it up before you use it incorrectly again.
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@Stephen
Hey Jethro, my answer is in post #10. Dodge it till you're blue in the face, it will remain there calling you a fake.
Addressing you is not a waste of time, playing your silly obtuse game would be a waste of time. You are the type who thinks repetition and lies are good tools. You will see. You only convince the choir with those tactics.
You are a fake. A fraud. Writing in caps, and bolding will not change that. Address rebuttals to the fakery you post. Stop running away. This is a debate site, not a podium for your rants.
So I will shine a spotlight every time you post some fake tripe, and I will tag you every time you run away, claiming I haven't addressed your fakery.
And I can do so for longer than you can run. I was trained for it. Go ahead, try me.
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@Paul
No. I would call what you did stupidity.
What is the reason I call liberals stupid?
The reason is NOT because they belong to a political party.
Therefore, I would NOT call anyone stupid because they belong to a religion.
So all you did was substitute in another word for something I'm not doing.
Maybe you do have a learning disability, or maybe you just have poor reading comprehension, either way, your lack of understanding is not my problem.
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@ebuc
".....Do androids dream of electric sheep? "..P K. Dick
I love science fiction! And Dick is one of the greats.
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@SirAnonymous
I'll say. So if not movies, what are you into?I'm not a big movie guy.
But from your Dart name, I know you've seen the movie V For Vendetta right?
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@Paul
What directs the growth of dendrites?
You're misunderstanding my question. I'm not asking about the biological processes involved in dendrite growth.
Allow me an explanation.
The claim is that personhood resides in the physical structure of the brain.
Thus when a neuron is shooting out a dendrite, it makes a difference to the personhood of that human, which neuron gets connected.
For a fetus, the problem isn't acute, but for an adult, the problem is fatal. How does a neuron know which connections to make to get a desired result? Like riding a bicycle or subtracting 29 from 4,275, or whether a joke is funny?
Are connections just made until one can balance on a bike? Or does the neuron "know" which connections are needed?
In either case, what is it that is "aware" of what connection is needed, and then either confirms when the connection is made by chance, or directs dendrite growth to form the desired connections?
If personhood is in brain structure, then there must be an overarching "controller" forming, confirming, and sustaining these connections. What is that controller? Because these "directed" brain processes begin long before a human is sentient and conscious.
My point is that personhood cannot possibly be solely in the physical brain structure. A human brain is greater than the sum of its parts.
Its difficult to debate American atheists on this topic because they assume I'm trying to argue for a god and immediately start rolling out their rote "God does not exist" argument.
And that gets in the way of a purely science discussion of the topic.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Your reasoning was solid, but you still didn't touch my main reason for thinking the idea is ludicrous.
As far as the pulling yourself out of poverty issue, you are as rare as they come. It is a human tendency to think you are typical, that other people are just like me, they would have done the same.
In this case, I don't think you are. Most people would not have behaved like you did under the same circumstances.
But your answer was logical and well thought out. Thanks.
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@DynamicSquid
Sure.Let's argue it right here if you want
So, I'm I correct you think the UBI is a sound, logical, and viable, idea?
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@ebuc
I said nothing about a Universal Standard of Living or USL.
The UBI (i not L) is short for Universal Basic Income.
I think you've misunderstood my post. But thanks for the reply anyway.
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@EtrnlVw
An endless array of strawmen is all he has Etrnl. All he wants to do is post a wall-o-text to you and then claim that his spam proves his point.
But when he claims to quote the bible, double check the quote. Stephen's typing fingers have been known to be a little oily.
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@Paul
You are only confirming what I said.
It helps if you read what I said.
You claimed that calling half the population stupid, - because they belong to a particular political party is bigotry or prejudice, insinuating I did so.
I told you it was the other way around. They are stupid, that's why they belong to that political party.
I do NOT call them stupid because they belong to a political party, I call them stupid because they are stupid, and were stupid before they joined that party.
This is the second time now you've behaved as if you didn't see, or understand what I wrote. Do you have a learning challenge?
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@SirAnonymous
I don't know; I've never seen any of those.
Wow. Just wow.
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@Paul
The answer to your question is so long nobody is going to type an answer for you so I gave you the link.
What question?
While it could be an unsolved problem we do know a lot about what goes on.
OK. But the point was that we do not know.
I seriously doubt you have solved the problem, but go ahead and tell us what you have in mind.
What are you talking about? What problem do you believe I'm trying to solve?
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@ebuc
OK. But you brought it up.We have no Universal Stand of Economics
I take it you don't know what the UBI is?
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@EtrnlVw
Careful, he may begin stalking you too.
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@Stephen
Post #10
As I told you, I will not waste my time with you. You can go to post #10 and pretend you don't see it, and claim you've "won" again.
If you cannot answer my questions, I will not answer yours either.
This is a debate site goober, not a rant site.when you're no longer afraid to address criticism, we'll talk. Till then, you get treated like the troll you are.
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@ebuc
Wouldn't the USL be the same thing as the UBI?
If so, how do people who advocate it say it would be paid for? Any idea?
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@EtrnlVw
Another good post Etrnl.
When I realized he's just reading the book only to find mistakes his topics became meaningless.
He isn't even reading the book, he's taking websites at their word and posting things he is totally ignorant about.
I would be more impressed if people were to overlook imperfection to find the underlying objective of the accounts, then deal with them or ask questions.
I would be gobsmacked it that ever happened.
The shallowness of religious forum atheists is something to scratch the noggin about.
I have a forming theory about Stephen. I'm beginning to suspect he may be a mole.
He always throws these softball questions and then offers absolutely no defense when I eviscerate his claims.
Like he is deliberately setting them up for me to knock them out of the park unbothered.
It just feels too easy to beat him, and his outrage seems like fake and comical overacting to me.
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@disgusting
No one runs away from you bully. No one likes you. You have been told this repeatedly for years.
You are a troll who seldom has anything intelligent or constructive to say, so most people ignore and avoid you.
It soothes your brushed ego to claim they are running away, but people move away from you out of disgust, not fear.
Over the years, I've come to realize you aren't capable of real change, or able to control your bitterness.
You will flame out, and force the mods to step in. Your history will be your future.
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@SirAnonymous
Classic old school guy huh? Those are certainly great movies.
Let me see If I can peg you based on the few choices you mentioned above.
You would also like:
12 Angry Men
The Shawshank Redemption
Gladiator
How did I do?
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@Stephen
I never waste my time Jed. I'm not going to play your troll game. You want "not wasting my time" to be ignoring you so you can post your lies unimpeded.You have said that a few times now but here you are STILL, wasting your time
Are you so deluded that you think the Gentle Readers don't see you dodge because you pretend I didn't address your stupidity?
Why do you dodge questions? If they are really contradictions, you should be happy to answer questions about them.
Posting in caps, bold, or underline does not make you correct or informed.
You are a liar. I have pointed out your lies in numerous threads. What you like are exchanges like this, where you make vague claims and insult. Never having to defend any specific claim.
All the threads where I've destroyed your claims, you've abandoned.
I'm going to enjoy tossing you for lolz
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@disgusting
Perhaps I need to remind you of what Mike, the site's owner said to you.
Look, you either behave in an appropriate manner or just get the hell outta here. I am sure there are lots of trashy forums where insulting and other things are welcome but this ain't one of them. You can argue and express your opinion, just do it in the corresponding topics and without insults, it's not that hard.
You can also do so without the stalking and the yapping.
A word to the wise [should be] sufficient.
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@triangle.128k
The principle of ownership. You haven't read my previous posts have you?The basis of your implications here are that Israel has a right to the holy land while the Palestinians do not. What makes this so?
The Palestinians have been living in Israel for centuries.
So? The Jews have been there longer. The country is called Israel, not Palestine. And a country doesn't become the property of aliens just because they've lived there for ages.
What gives Jews the right to come...
Come from where? Jews were there 6,000 years ago. Jews were there 2,000 years ago, Jews were there 500 years ago. Jews have always been in Israel. And it is impossible to steal what you own.
15 years is quite a short time for a government.
It's long enough to know that Hamas harbors no good intention for Israel or its own people.
Do list me the shameful behavior of the US towards Israel. The United States has rarely done...
I was going to until your word "rarely", that showed me you knew your claim was bogus.
Yet, it would appear to me that you have a double standard. It is alright for Jews to attack Palestinians and steal their land, though it is never okay for Palestinians to resist.
What you just did is called assuming your conclusion. Its a logical fallacy. Read my lips. The land is Israel. It is Jewish land.
But if Palestinians want to "resist", (and by resist they mean killing 15 year old girls in their homes) resist and quit buttaching about it. This is what happens in a war.
I'd instead say that it's surprising most Palestinians still don't want to violently kick out every Israeli in sight after the mistreatment and loss of land to the Israeli.
Most do. And they have tried three times so far. Each time they have gotten their violent butts kicked back to where they came from.
Not all Palestinian Muslims carry this view. Take a look at any public opinion poll to the Palestinian people, and you'll find attitudes to be much more mixed.
Sorry. I have lived in Muslim majority countries, and have visited many Islamic countries and Israel, I cannot honestly tow the PC line.
Not to mention that at least a fifth of Palestinian people are Christians. The Christians of Palestine are essentially seeing their ethnic-cleansing. As an example, they once constituted the majority of people in Bethlehem and are now around 12% of Bethlehem's population. Their sudden disappearance and exoduses from the region have been entirely related to Israeli occupation.
This is the dumbest thing in your entire post of dumb things. What accounts for the decrease in Christian numbers in every Islamic country? Jews aren't there.
What I find hilarious is that a self-proclaimed Christian, such as yourself, would blindly support Jewish oppressors over the interests of oppressed Christians.
Jews are not "oppressors", and the only ones oppressing Christians in the middle east are Muslims.
I guess they just ain't real Christians if they ain't white American rednecks with an ol' dixie flag in their pickup truck, darn smelly brown people!
SWJ progressive, liberal, politically correct, talking points check:
Racism - check
Bigotry - check
Islamophobia - check
Homophobia - pending...
Fascism - pending...
LBGTphobia - pending...
Islam is simply wrong in this regard while Judaism is disgustingly repulsive.
Which is why you can say this in Israel and walk away unhurt, but would be dead if you say so in Palestine. Weird huh?
That must explain why virtually every terrorist anywhere in the world is a Jew... ...wait..... Lol.
You have bought into the anti-semitic lies of the radical left hook line and sinker.
You need to have your vision fixed before the truth can even be shown to you. Wow.
Heard about the Jew who just shot three soldiers in Florida? What? It wasn't an evil Jew, but a sweet cuddly Muslim?
Never mind.
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@Stephen
I've addressed your stupidity. And as is common with you, you are ignoring the rebuttal and re-posting your stupidity.
I won't waste time with you. Any Gentle Reader who is interested, can see the rebuttal in the posts above.
You are a fake. A fraud. A liar. All you can do is either re-post your clunker, or pretend you didn't see the rebuttal. Either way, you lose.
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@zedvictor4
I think what most people fear, atheists and theists, is pain, which often comes with death, they do not fear death itself.
And "troubled by the thought of nonexistence" happens to be a good euphemism for fear of death no?
I have found that the people who most fear death, are the ones who constantly accuse everyone of fearing death.
I've watched many people die. Very few of them showed fear. But as the good book says, "Evil men run when nothing chases them."
What we have here may be a simple case of projection. The dolt fears death, so he goes around (for 6 years now) accusing others of fearing death.
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@disgusting
It's simply not possible for you to avoid stupidity
Sure it is. I avoid stupidity every time I ignore one of your stalking, yapping turd posts. Watch, I'll avoid stupidity on your next turd dropping....
Go!
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@SirAnonymous
OK. At least it was more than vaguely funny.
So what movie(s) qualify to you as great movie(s)?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What's your reasoning? And do you have a theory for why so many otherwise smart people think it is viable?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Its in there. It's just a long paper.
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I, like most people, avoid stupidity. Which is why I, like most people, avoid your posts.
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UBI = Universal Basic Income.
(Everyone gets an income regardless of whether they work or not.)
Is it me, or is watching people advocate for UBI like watching retarded half-wits advocating for a perpetual motion machine?
I watch westerns, and though the cowboy simply looped the reins of his horse once over a horizontal pole, the horse NEVER figured out how to free himself, even after looking directly at the single looped line.
The UBI idea is so stupid, I'm wondering if everyone is in on a joke I'm missing. How can people who went to school believe UBI is anything other than abject nonsense?
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@ebuc
No one does ebuc. I doubt even you understand the things you say.
But Alec was correct. You do have a lot of hate yourself. And that fact does make you look hypocritical.
Have your predictions about Trump come true yet?
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@SirAnonymous
There is some validity to that. That is the same reason Coca Cola and McDonalds can be called "great". They deliver what the buyer wants.
A movie cannot keep packing people into theaters week after week if it isn't giving them what they are forking out their hard earned money for.
I just also think it is possible for a "great" movie to tank at the box office too. Today, good marketing is almost as important to movie success as is good storytelling.
A stinker may hit because of good marketing, and a good movie may tank because of poor marketing.
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@Paul
I asked: What directs the growth of dendrites?
From the first sentence of your link:
Dendrite development is an important and unsolved problem in neuroscience.
I've noticed its more often the people who don't know science, who always seem to offer answers.
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@Paul
When you call half the population stupid because....
Because what?
...they belong to a particular political party that's bigotry or prejudice.
Its the other way around. They belong to a particular political party because they're stupid.
I call them stupid because they ARE stupid. And more than half the population is stupid.
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@Stephen
Read this very thread, your reputation was known more than a year ago.
You run away by ignoring rebuttals and posting silliness. Even in this exchange, you have ducked addressing your fake verses and contradiction lies.
There are 4 threads in the religion section you started, and abandoned after you couldn't address criticism to your bogus claims. All you do is go and start yet another thread of lame or fake charges.
I will be here for you. Every time you post fakery, I will call you on it. You of course will dodge and run, but I will put a spotlight on your dishonesty. I will expose you each time.
The board will be littered with threads you started and abandoned after being soundly beaten. Oh sure you will stupidly claim I lost, but you can claim anything you like after I beat you.
You are basically a troll, and I was trained for trolls like you.
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It seems to me, that if people pay to see movies, then the movie ought to deliver what the person is paying for.
I know different people want different things from movies, but surely we can come up with a somewhat common denominator?
Enjoyment? Too general.
Escapism? Too vague.
We want a movie to take us into its world, and make us believe and enjoy the experience. So then the movie must have an interesting world, be consistent and plausible within its world, and gave us experiences that are creative and enjoyable within that world.
Does that cover it?
A great soundtrack is not a great movie.
A beautiful lead actor is not a great movie.
Neither is titillation.
Going by these criteria, what is a great movie?
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@Stephen
It is only your opinion that there are no contradictions in the Bible. I don't agree.
But you run away from debating it. On a debate site no less. I don't care what you believe, but you should be able to support your beliefs with reason and logic.
You also keep forgetting that I don't care what you believe or think about me. It is irrelevant.
If I can show that you run away from debate and cannot support your claims of contradiction, I don't care if you don't care. My aim is not to get you to care, but to show that your claims are bogus. And I've done that every time. The unaddressed, abandoned threads remain on the board for all to see.
Finally, you are ignorant of scripture.
Opinion AGAIN: See above.
You post stupidity such as "why didn't any of the disciples question Judas leaving?" When it clearly says right there in the text that the disciples supposed Judas was being sent on an errand. Are you that poor a reader, or are you just ignorant?
I have nothing to be fraudulent about.
This is true. Which makes your fakery curious. Why lie? Why post fake verses? Obviously you don't really believe the bible has contradictions or else you wouldn't need to fake verses or lie about the bibles contents. You post fakery because you know the unchanged verses are correct.
Then do not waste your time, silly billy.
No one does anymore. We all see that you aren't here for debate, and you're dishonest. When addressing your posts I do so for the Gentle Reader and pretty much ignore your repetitive bluster.
You only lose every time anyway
All without you ever addressing the rebuttals or offering any reasoning for your claims? Lol. OK Jethro.
My experience has been that the one dodging question is usually the one losing. The Gentle Readers are not as stupid as you think they are. Everyone sees you running and dodging questions.
So you keep telling yourself I've lost, and I'll keep showing you the loser. I can live with that.
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@Stephen
Right now there are 4 threads you abandoned when your fakery was challenged.
Your idea of "contradiction" seems to be that people or God didn't do what you wanted them to do.
You aren't above lying and posting fake verses. And you never address rebuttals, instead, you simply keep posting the verses you think are problematic as if simply posting them proves you correct.
Finally, you are ignorant of scripture. You do not know even obvious things like, for example, the passage of the last supper says clearly why no one questioned why Judas left, either you have never read the passage, or you are a blatant liar, thinking no one will read the passage and see you're lying.
You are a fake. A fraud. No one needs to waste much time on you.
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