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@RationalMadman
It doesn't. If it did, you might be a Christian.You are a Christian, do you know your religion declares Earth to be stationary and circular?
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@Barney
The idea is good as a test, but I think the problem would be getting people to understand it.
They are smart enough to understand, but their eyes glaze over if an explanation takes more than 3 sentences. Would they give it a chance?
What do you think the problems with weighted voting would be?
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@3RU7AL
I agree with you, but don't you think 99.5% of the time, each person would simply vote for themselves?
What's wrong with a weighted vote?
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@Nemiroff
Something can be round and flat like a disk. There is a difference between a circle and a sphere, even tho both are round
I know this. But since the moon, sun and the Earth are moving independently of each other, I know of no natural force that would keep a disk always facing Earth so as to always appear round. Do you?
Assuming people who disagree with you are just trolling is a silly thing.
Which is why I never do it. I said after talking to a few of them, I realized few actually believe it. No assumption was necessary.
And if it was the easiest to debunk, there would not be so many honest people out there who believe it.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I did. But just let it slow cook deb. It'll come to ya.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Remember how I once told you that you vastly over estimate how interesting people find you?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I rattled this number of quickly before checking me data.
We know that you post without critical thinking deb. Its OK, we like you anyway.
For the most part, you hide your anger well.
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@disgusted
When you read it, you'll see why your reputation is the way it is.
Clay. Lol
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They should always know fact from their opinion.Are you suggesting that people should always clearly distinguish FACT from OPINION?
Wasn't it obvious?
As I almost always say profoundly smart things, it wasn't.
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@Tejretics
That was a very rational answer with which I agree. Thanks.
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@3RU7AL
Anyone who confuses his opinion with reality is wrong.How do you know you're right and they're wrong?
In time you will come to accept the truth that you don't control me and therefore I need no excuse to do what I like. And that I could not be less interested in your opinion of my reasons.
This is the smartest thing you've ever said.
Lol. That must be why you followed me around the board mirror-posting it.
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@coal
It isn't nonsensical or overly complicated, but it is rough, which is why it's posted here for refining thoughts.
It is certainly better than simply having open voting. And it does have advantages over the current system.
People would vote more if it were easier to vote, but open voting would not work. We need a middle ground that frees up voting, but discourages frivolous votes.
Debate topics are subjective, but since bsh1 took the site towards teenage boys, those are the kind of topics we'll have.
Make the debates you like, and allow others the same right.
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@disgusted
I don't read any of your leader's (brother aasomething) posts,
Lol. You obviously don't read the bible either.
You might want to be less ignorant on a subject you plan to post about the next time you create a thread.
whatever they are...
Lol. Yeah. Whatever.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
You are soooooooooo LUCKY thang.If God didn't get them guy's to do a book for him so he could leave it behind for you.
I don't believe luck exists. Eh.
If God never did that, you'd know nothing.
Pretty dumb. The first guy didn't have a book.
So on this fact,...
Whoops! That bit of shoddy thinking has been elevated to fact! It's amazing that you lose debates when you're able to simply declare your opinions to be fact.
i can't help but feel , if i was some type of theist , I'd still be blown away about this.
I'm not sure. Your IQ would be higher.
And all i would talk about is how good god is for doing this book for us.
Among other things.
Gods do a book FULL STOPIt's amazing , but you seem to be like , yeah whatever.
You seem to be amazed that groups exist. What can I say, it takes something amazing to amaze me.
If i believed in God , my post would read .THEY THINK THE UNIVERSE IS OVER 100,000 YEARS OLD.And if someone says it is , id tell em to get stuffed and laugh at them.
Why? What would your belief in God have to do with the age of the universe?
You can't believe in God 89% .Can not....Thus... HALF ARSED THEISTS. The lot of ya.
Good game.Good game.
Man. If you knew where to find me I'd invest in the best security system I could afford.
How come you don't meet as many ....... interesting.... people in real life as you do online? Where are people like this IRL?
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@disgusted
I checked. Post #2 is still there. Unaddressed and Unanswered.What?W
What?
If you can count to two, you can find the second post to your thread.
it was not clay, but dust, and where Jesus did not blow upon clay, but into the nostrils of man after he was formed from dust.
Ouch! No wonder you're pretending to have not seen it.
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Well, we can see the moon and the sun, and they both are round. Why is only the Earth flat? Or is the round moon and sun also illusions?
No one actually believes that the Earth is flat.
Some people just enjoy saying that it is, just to wind others up.
Yeah, I suspected that after a few convos with them. But their logical contortions trying to support their position are entertaining.
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@Stephen
You haven't made any points though , have you.
Sure I have. The bible did not say Moses saw God. And when I posted verse 9, that was clear. You ran.
The verses about Abraham say God appeared as a man, not as God. And in fact, the passage shows Abraham thought they were angels, not God.
The burden of proof , as I have already pointed you lies with you.
No sir. The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim. That would be you. But you seem to think simply posting a verse and then calling it a contradiction is an argument. It isn't.
you have failed to prove that the contradiction highlighted on this thread is not a contradiction when it clearly is.
You have failed to show any contradiction, as such, I have nothing to fail at. You claim the bible says Moses saw God. The bible says no such thing.
You post cut verses, and then pretend they say what you claim. Here is one example:
You claim verse 10 says Moses saw God. That is a lie. And I showed in verse 9 that God appeared in a cloud pillar. You ran away.
I even showed that Moses asks to see God in verse 18, and I ask you, If you claim that verse 10 is saying Moses saw God, why is he asking to see God in the very conversation you site? You run away.
People can see for themselves that you are having a lot of trouble explaining away the highlighted contradiction that is the topic of this thread.
People can see, that is why I don't need to bother much. They can see that you dodged every question in my replies to you. For example, what would Moses have seen at the burning bush? You run away.
I showed the the bible says no man can see God as He is, and in the verse you cite as evidence of a contradiction, Moses does ask to see God, and God says no you cannot or you'll die!
Your own citation shows there is no contradiction. The verses you cite do not say what you claim they say. And when you are corrected, you run away.
This is why anti-theists so often lose arguments here. You come to a debate board so convinced you're right, you think there is no need to defend your illogical claims. You think everyone shares your certainty. They don't, and your arguments die from a lack of support.
The questions you dodged in my post remain there. And they convict you whether I'm conservative or not.
It is clear you are a fake. And I can see you know you are as well.
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@zedvictor4
I suspect that Tejretics, if he responds, may have a more rational answer.
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@zedvictor4
Your comment seemed to consider all spirituality, delusion. That is why MoPac reminded you the it was your assumption, not necessarily reality.
It was obvious you considered your assumption to be fact.
You seem to be hung up on that old, assumed, political dichotomy at the moment.
Things are not true because they are new, and true things do not become false because they are old. Some things are dichotomous in reality.
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@Stephen
I know you read it. That you cannot address anything in it is what shows you're bogus.Yes ethang. I read your poor convoluted attempt at post 4 where you try to explain away this blinding biblical contradiction, but it changes nothing.
I haven't gone anywhere.
If you were here, you would address my points instead of simply saying you disagree. Your post is here. You aren't.
I don't have to run away from anything.
That is true, which makes your running more puzzling.
All you do is run away from my points, and repost your lame claims.
You are a fraud. It's obvious even to you. Which is why you don't engage the points, you just keep posting your original spam.
I guess you have no idea that guys like you with your tactics are a dime a dozen online.
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@Mopac
To a liberal, his assumption IS reality.
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Oh my god! If atheists could only comprehend this!I consider it the most important question, but there are times when I want to talk about something else, like whether or not logic is valid.
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@Tejretics
I’m an atheist, but I think New Atheism is mostly dumb,...
What is the difference between what you believe, and new atheism, that makes new atheism dumb and your belief not?
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My solution is in between Coals and Virt. (Posted originally on Squid's "How to get more people to vote thread)
Here is my idea.
Right now, the voting process is too difficult. I understand that we have voting rules to curtail vote bombs and frivolous votes, but what good is a system that refines votes AND discourages votes?
Voting in America is not restricted at all, and no one needs to give a reason for their vote. Now I understand this is possible partly because there are millions of votes, not a case that is true for Dart.
We can free the votes, making it super easy to vote, but still having it be counter-productive to vote unfairly. How?
Assign value to votes.
Let every voter have a vote designation. Liberal, conservative, libertarian, etc. This designation cannot be changed except by petition to a mod.
A vote by a conservative for a conservative gets the conservative debater one vote point.
A vote by a liberal for a liberal gets the liberal debater one vote point.
But a vote by a conservative for a liberal gets the liberal debater 2 vote points. And a vote by a liberal for a conservative gets the conservative debater 2 votes.
Here are the advantages of this system.
1. It forces debaters to consider the POV of people who do not share his view, it makes him a better debater.
2. It forces debaters to be more civil to the view he is debating against, as voters with that view hold a heavier vote.
3. Better debaters win more often because their wins will be due more often to having convinced more people with an opposing view.
4. Because voters will not have to post essentially another entire debate, more people will vote.
5. This system will greatly reduce the work the mods have to do in monitoring and managing votes.
6. It will greatly reduce the drama in voting as any vote, regardless of RFD will be viable as long as the voter meets the voting requirements.
Mods will still have the authority to remove votes they think are fraudulent in some way, or ask a voter to further explain his vote.
Mods will refuse frivolous changes of designations simply to give bigger votes to whom that voter likes. Either by restrictions on how long a designation must be kept before it can be changed, or how many times it can be switched at all.
Both liberals and conservatives MAY be tempted to mis-designate themselves so that their votes for their real choices carry more weight. But then that would conversely mean they get lesser votes in their own debates.
One weakness would be the people who never debate, but mis-designate themselves and vote.
The solution to that is having the 2 tiered voting system apply only for members who have a certain number debates themselves in a certain time period.
And if ones debate topics consistently contradict ones requested designation, mods will catch it and refuse that designation.
Anyone will still be able to give as long and as detailed an RFD as they want.
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@disgusted
I checked. Post #2 is still there. Unaddressed and Unanswered.
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@BrotherDThomas
The trouble for you is the fact that I have been in contact with the Savior,...
No trouble at all dee dee. I'm impressed. How many people do we have on the internet claiming to have a private line to God? .......well, how many credible ones that is. Lol.
But you are quoting my questions and still not answering them. Do you have a set schedule for talking to Jesus? Or does He just show up unannounced?
I imagine as the big kahuna Himself, Jesus needs no appointment. Or does He send a lemo to get you? Or maybe even a chariot! That would be awesome!
Imagine dee dee in a chariot of fire blazing up into Heaven for the great christian to go and meet the genocidal lunatic! What a picture!
So please let us know when you're due to meet him again. And thanks for trying to save me from a multitude of sins, but your kind effort was wasted, Jesus already did it. But there's always next time eh?
If I saw you in that chariot, I'd be yelling, "go dee dee go!!
Lol!
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Good question. I think it was because of the State Department's 1978 legal opinion that civilian settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories were "inconsistent with international law".
Trump is clearly preparing for something big. Pulling out of UN organizations, refusing to fund some, all the decisions with Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia., and Egypt,.... He about to drive liberals mad again.
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@Vader
Having a loved mentor die is a bummer. Been there.
It was at least good you got the time with him. May his soul ret in peace, and hope you find happiness whatever happens.
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I would have preferred the feedback be on my idea, not my politics.You proposed an idea. I'm giving you feedback.
What am I adding, out of curiosity?
Political drama.
I wanna add strippers.
Of course you do. I bet you miss bsh1 don't you?
Why do you believe that's true?
It has been demonstrated here on Dart and on DDO. Its one of the reasons you call both site's voting system shitty.
So a liberal mod is always going to vote for a liberal position, regardless of what actually happens in the debate?
In your absolute dychotomy maybe.
That's a little bit of a stretch, don'tcha think?
Yes I do. And that's why you posted it.
Then what exactly are you doing here?
Havin' a nice conversation with you. How ya doin', buddy?
I'm a little busy trying to offer solutions to what some call a shitty system.
I'll flap my gums later in a thread that isn't about anything ok? Take care and have fun.
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@Stephen
Post #4 Stephen.
Don't worry, when you dodge it, the points in it stand.
I know posters like you. You don't want to debate, you just want to make claims and then run away.
That has never worked, because people aren't stupid. Your running away makes people see that your claims are bogus.
You posted 200 so called contradictions but can't respond to even 2 of them rebutted.
You are obviously devoid of substance. In a short while, you will run away from here, and go make yet another lame thread alleging the same old lame "contradictions" that were rebutted here.
Most members will see you for the vacuous anti-theist poster you are. I don't even need to repost #4.
You're already dead.
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So you think the voting system is OK?
No. Did I say that?
No. That's just it. In a thread trying to discuss how to improve voting, you thought it more relevant to tell us your opinion of my opinion.
political association
You put waaaaaaaaay too much value on this.
That is your subjective opinion. So what? You call the system shitty, yet you're here adding to politics you claim has waaaaaay to much value already.
I have three debates on DART, sure. I have close to 300 on DDO, defending issues on both sides of the isle.
Cough!, cough!, DDO elite cough!
Why does political ideology necessarily matter when it comes to competitive debate?
1. Because most people debate in line with their political views.
2. Because most people (including mods) vote in line with their political views.
If Dart's online debate voting is "shitty"
Oh it's not DART specific. DDO had shitty voting too. So did edeb8. So does every online debate platform I've seen.
And you're just as happy as a goat in a boat to keep debating and voting in such shitty conditions. Clique much?
why are you trying to debate in that "shitty" system?
Because i have fun doing so?
Of course you do. South African whites had fun with their shitty system too! The clique benefiting always views the shitty system as fun.
And why are you attacking me instead of suggesting solutions?
Bruh, if that's an "attack" on you, then maybe you should take a step back and cool off. I'm not trying to attack anyone.
Oh, it must have been a compliment then. Thanks.
Ok, you're obviously not addressing the problem noted in the OP, though you admit there is a problem, and you say you aren't attacking anyone. Then what exactly are you doing here?
Lead, follow, or get out of the way Z.
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@disgusted
And post #2 still sits there showing your ignorance on the very topic you made a thread about.
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@Stephen
So you posted a fake quote of Jesus in the bible contradiction thread..
Stop telling lies.
I Posted your lie and the actual verse. You never addressed it.
You do have an argument and you certainly do NOT have an explanation.
That must be why you needed to delete them and pretend you didn't see them.
Lol. You're fake Steve. Obviously fake.
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@Zaradi
So you think the voting system is OK?
What a surprise.
I tried to address what some view as a voting problem, if you think there is a problem, suggest a solution. If you don't think there is a problem, say why you think the people who do are wrong.
You have only 3 debate attempts, all of them with you in the liberal position though you don't state in your profile what your political association is.
If Dart's online debate voting is "shitty", why are you trying to debate in that "shitty" system? And why are you attacking me instead of suggesting solutions?
Can the class say clique?
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@zedvictor4
Unlike the Palestinians who are standing directly on genocide, not a few steps away.You're only a few steps away from the advocation of genocide.
You and buff need to stop that genocide stupidity. I have not advocated anyone get killed. I have argued that the silly useless "responses" by the Palestinians which only result in their deaths, stop.
It's just an example of the stupidity of humanity, whereby people who are so inextricably linked and similar in so many respects assume that they can be so different, based solely on the deluded ramblings of so called Holy Men.
And based too on the enablement of liberals like you who make the Palestinians think their behavior is productive.
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@disgusted
Lol!! It's YOUR thread Jethro! You didn't read the 2nd post to your own thread? The first post by a member to your own thread?
Yes bully. Reading is my level.
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Good thread squid.
Here is my idea.
Right now, the voting process is too difficult. I understand that we have voting rules to curtail vote bombs and frivolous votes, but what good is a system that refines votes AND discourages votes?
Voting in America is not restricted at all, and no one needs to give a reason for their vote. Now I understand this is possible partly because there are millions of votes, not a case that is true for Dart.
We can free the votes, making it super easy to vote, but still having it be counter-productive to vote unfairly. How?
Assign value to votes.
Let every voter have a vote designation. Liberal, conservative, libertarian, etc. This designation cannot be changed except by petition to a mod.
A vote by a conservative for a conservative gets the conservative debater one vote point.
A vote by a liberal for a liberal gets the liberal debater one vote point.
But a vote by a conservative for a liberal gets the liberal debater 2 vote points. And a vote by a liberal for a conservative gets the conservative debater 2 votes.
Here are the advantages of this system.
1. It forces debaters to consider the POV of people who do not share his view, it makes him a better debater.
2. It forces debaters to be more civil to the view he is debating against, as voters with that view hold a heavier vote.
3. Better debaters win more often because their wins will be due more often to having convinced more people with an opposing view.
4. Because voters will not have to post essentially another entire debate, more people will vote.
5. This system will greatly reduce the work the mods have to do in monitoring and managing votes.
6. It will greatly reduce the drama in voting as any vote, regardless of RFD will be viable as long as the voter meets the voting requirements.
Mods will still have the authority to remove votes they think are fraudulent in some way, or ask a voter to further explain his vote.
Mods will refuse frivolous changes of designations simply to give bigger votes to whom that voter likes. Either by restrictions on how long a designation must be kept before it can be changed, or how many times it can be switched at all.
Both liberals and conservatives MAY be tempted to mis-designate themselves so that their votes for their real choices carry more weight. But then that would conversely mean they get lesser votes in their own debates.
One weakness would be the people who never debate, but mis-designate themselves and vote.
The solution to that is having the 2 tiered voting system apply only for members who have a certain number debates themselves in a certain time period.
And if ones debate topics consistently contradict ones requested designation, mods will catch it and refuse that designation.
Anyone will still be able to give as long and as detailed an RFD as they want.
What does Dart think?
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@3RU7AL
When American citizens vote the UN into office sure. Till then, our sovereignty rests with the duly elected government.Wouldn't this need to be determined by an actual International Court?
An international court telling us to side with murderous thugs against a civilized people can be dismissed.
Conservatives follow reason, not pc dogma.
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@triangle.128k
Reality matters. In Israel I see a democratic state, extending rights and freedoms to all its citizens, Jews and Palestinians, with a responsive government responsible to it's voters.Nothing says putting America first like sucking up to Israel.
In Palestine I see chaos, with a predator government that follows no set laws and abuses its constituents. A government that is not beholden to its people and constantly makes poor decisions.
Its a no brainer who to support.
Yeah! Can't wait for all those Palestinian children to be shot and their hospitals to be firebombed.
Then hurry and place those missile firing trucks in neighborhoods and schools, cause bad old Israel will not sit peacefully and allow the angel Palestinians to rain down death on them.
Use hospitals and mosques too, if Israel was a descent country, they would allow their civilians to die if shooting back meant killing some innocent human shields along with the terrorists.
Or you could stop doing what has never worked, and only causes your people to die, and behave like a rational human being. But the irrational hatred for Israel is too hard to overcome.
Very much like TDS really.
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@Greyparrot
A common trait of people with an illogical worldview.It's fascinating that supporters of Palestine can't answer the most basic questions about their beliefs,
You ask him "what has changed", he answers for "will they leave?" This shows they are aware of the silliness of their position, so will not answer question that expose it.
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The changes happening in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, and Syria are a bad omen for the Palestinians.
The new generation in the Arab world is obviously not buying the old jihadi worldview.
It's amazing how many young Arab men are online looking for American women.
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@BrotherDThomas
I take it you haven't spoken to Jesus yet. Let us know when you do.
But be careful. If every post of yours to anyone always mentions Ethan, people might start to think you're obsessed and a little kooky.
Hari was the same way. Let's hope you don't share his history.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
The huge empty space at the end of your posts make more sense than your posts.
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@Dynasty
Ah! You are aware of that little known fact! Good for you.First, only about 7% of wars were religious. And second, atheists have killed 94 million people.
If we go, as some seem to want, by the religion of the soldiers, every war would have been a religious wa.....
Oh, I get it. Fake news.
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@BrotherDThomas
Have you talked to Jesus yet?
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@Greyparrot
What whacky dysfunction is going on here?
The liberal's reality blinders automatically protecting him from having to address reality.
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