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I didn't claim they were all fake.
Sure you did. You said, "Acknowledging and admiring the creators of fake things called religion and religious groups.
Third paragraph on my first post. (YOUR religious group is the correct religious group)
That was before I joined the convo. You were not speaking to me. When speaking to me, you called all religious groups fake.
The jews are not fake you say. Buttttttttt they AINT 100% correct are they?
When you're through moving the goalpost, I'll reply. In the main time, your comment, "Your group is correct, this making all others fake." is itself false. As in fake.
Well apart from you changing the word fales to fake.
Is the meaning different? Pick which ever one you like and you'll still be wrong. As in false.
Give me one group other then yours that is 100% correct. ( No don't)
OK.
We both know There ain't no group more correct then yours FULL STOP
Then there's no reason to debate it right? Multiple claims of truth make truth unfindable right?
Take some time, find your threads topic, and then come back when you're within arms reach of rationality, OK?
Cause right now, I don't think even you know what you're talking about.
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For me the bible is still mythology.
And for some, the moon landings are mythology. I care for facts, not opinions.
83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?
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No one to my knowledge has spoken about consensual copulation. Most spoke about unwanted sexual advances.If people are intent on using such areas for purposes other than those intended, then there is very little that can be done to stop them.
I can't see that multi-sex or single sex facilities is going to make any difference to this phenomenon.
Neither can anyone else, which is why no one else has mentioned it.
And do kids in the U.S. actually perform abortions in public bathrooms?
I don't know and don't see the relevance here, but I do know spontaneous abortions happen in US HS restrooms.
This preponderance with what kids might or might not get up to in bathrooms is all starting to get a tad seedy!
As the only one to have brought it up, you would know.
And not something that persons of our age need to be getting hung up about.
Irony.
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No no big fella I don't claim they are all fake.
Sure you did.
Your group is correct, this making all others fake.
Not necessarily. Jews for example, are not fake.
Can we agree with this?
No we can't. I agree with truth, not sarcasm.
Address your assumptions and things will not be so hard for you to grasp.
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Hi Deb, I see you're still being tortured by some demon inside your head. But try this...
Acknowledging and admiring the creators of fake things called religion and religious groups
You assume they are all fake. Why should anyone else? But if you are going to use this claimed "fakeness", for your argument, shouldn't you prove it before making it one of your argument's pillars?
...there is stacks of these fake religious groups before yours that run exactly like yours and all the one's after yours are the same.
This is self-evidently untrue. If they " run" exactly like mine, why would I need a different one? You simply say illogical things that aren't true and get yourself confused by thinking they are true. Your confusion is of your own making.
...it's hard to grasp.
Being "hard to grasp" is a hallmark of stupid things. Perhaps you should think more carefully. 1st step, how things seem to you and reality are different things. Really.
All I am saying is. The milk is SOUR. And If the milk is sour,...
Well, either the milk is sour, or it is not. You are acknowledging that you haven't a clue if what you're saying is true.
...I ain't the kind of pussy to drink it.
I won't ask, since I already know the kind of pussy you are.
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I started this thread to keep other threads from being derailed with distractions.
Lol. Good job Skep. All the "distractions" came to this thread.
83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?
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So is Deb's incomprehensible "religious groups" tautology.
What at all is this thread trying to say?
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The author does not call for the destruction of Hinduism nor does he call Hinduism evil.
So then, when he says, "such a religion must be destroyed," what religion is he talking about?
So you did not even know what Dr Ambedkar was talking about.
Do you? You seem to be dodging the question. The author uses the word "religion". What religion was he referring to?
He is not talking about religion or Hinduism.
He was talking about the religion of hinduism, and said so, using both words religion and Hinduism.
The caste system is not Hinduism.
It certainly is hinduism, which is why Ambedkar renounced hinduism and adopted Buddhism, and why India outlawed that vile system.
You, and other consciousless hindus still argue for the caste system. If it is not hinduism, why do you defend and hold on to it?
Remember, this site is moderated.
Shouldn't you then not be more careful about misrepresenting facts.
You should have been more careful.
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Are you sure that he isn't just using the country part of his profile as a joke? I saw one person on another forum change his every day just for the fun of it.
Jokes don't register to him. He's from a 3rd world culture and western jokes and satire just fly over his head.
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-->@zedvictor4
...Just as you appear to me Z4.
Say thank you Z. You've been complimented. Where are your manners?
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-->@PaulVerliane
...he was a pig like trump...
And the election came to a less than 5,000 vote difference?
The democratic champion can hardly best a republican pig? You should be worried.
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-->@dustryder
✓ Random inane rant against democrats
✓ Misrepresents your argued position
✓ Deflects from relevant points that criticize Donald
✓ Must be ethang5
Lucky for you, you're both debater and judge.
When you put the whistle down and take off the striped shirt, we may have a fair discussion. I win by scoring points, not by blowing a whistle.
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-->@HistoryBuff
...if the republicans ran someone less hated, they almost certainly would have won.
True. Even with all his faults, the race came down to too close to call till well after the voting period.
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-->@PaulVerliane
i've been folowing this, and i think this time its real....
My point exactly. People with TDS think every time is "real".
eve na broek n clock is right twice a day, hes in trouble this time, big trouble and this is my prediction the nation is about to take a huge swing to the left,...
Really? Are you American?
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-->@wylted
I have a hard time seeing how it matters...
I do too, and the OP has not yet said how it matters.
-->@3RU7AL
In time you will come to accept the truth that you mirror posting only makes you look lame and therefore I need do nothing but allow you to embarrass yourself.
And that when you have run out of meaningful things to say, you should stop posting.
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Making yourself look dumb to the board is not recommended brutal. ( lol brutal)
This is online debate. I burned you. Get over it. Mirror spam posting only makes you look lame. And you went through all that trouble to make yourself sound
brutal.
Lol
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Things have always been just about to crash for Trump according to Democrats.
Remember the election? I've got this great compilation of all the fake news networks predicting a landslide for hillery on the night of the election.
Then it was the access hollywood tapes, then the meuller report, then Putin, then his lawyer, then North Korea, then the whistle blower, and now, impeachment.
Trump has the longest fuse on a stick of dynamite I've ever seen.
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Lol!!
I predicted you'd spam the same mirror post to multiple threads.
Man, I must have burned you.
Now everyone will think the sharp comment is yours. Like I said, I have tons of them.
You don't need to credit me. I'm happy to help you out. Just imagine, if you were less interested, you wouldn't be spamming a mirror post.
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Lol. Be careful, I think there is a CoC against repeat spam.
I think you have realized you don't control me and therefore I need no excuse to do what I like. That didn't take long.
Perhaps you could spam the mirror post to multiple threads. Think of how intelligent that'll make you look!
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-->@Wylted
Would you still not care if you had a 12 year old daughter in such a school?
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-->@mopac
I think we can all agree that belief in the existence of God/gods is not the same as lack of belief in God/gods, and even the opposite of outright denial of the existence of God/gods.
You an I can Mopac. You an I can.
-->@3RU7AL
It's nice to know my comment stung you into repetitive mirror spam. I have tons of them. Get your mirror ready if you're going to keep challenging me.
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.....Or mirror post spam.
Calm down man. Nothing here is worth getting that worked up about.
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Back in the day, there was no law. Now there is. Are you proposing we ignore the law?Back in the day, neither legality or illegality came into it.
Back in the day, we didn't have a bunch of ignorant violent nomads from primitive cultures trying to get in.
But maybe you like 3rd world slums.
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-->@zedvictor4
What do teen pregnancy and abortion have to do with defecation and urination in high school's?
Other than the fact that conceptions and abortions happen in bathrooms? Or the fact that pregnancy and abortion and defecation and urination all concern the pubic area? Nothing st all.
It's no good trying to force everyone to think that they are all the same. If you haven't firstly, taught everyone that the are all the same.
Everyone is not the same.
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--> @Reece101
Genuine? Does the following exchange seem genuine to you?
Can you please try not to strawman me.
How have I strawmanned you? I quoted you verbatim.
I didn’t claim you did.
Then your comment, "Can you please try not to strawman me." was curious. Did you have a suspicion that I intended to strawman you?
Intentional, unintentional, it doesn’t matter. Just try not to.
And now you say "If I want to be genuine"?
If you want to be genuine Reece, you're doing it wrong.
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While religion is a subcategory of philosophy; someone starting a philosophy thread about say Kantian ethics, probably doesn't want someone to pull any gods as a Kritik of ethics being meaningless in light of some divine plan. Similarly someone in the religion forum talking about the commandments of their god, would not want someone to jump in saying they should switch to nihilism.
Thank you!
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-->@SupaDudz
Are you saying all gender preferences should be accepted and validated by society?
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-->@3RU7AL
But there is no contradiction between Christianity and science.
Religion tries to answer the question of "WHY".
Science tries to answer the question of "HOW".
Both religion and science sometimes answers both how and why.
None-the-less, there is no real contradiction between Christianity and science.
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-->@Reece101
Lol. Ok Reece.
Try not to be bitter. Ok?
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Intentional, unintentional, it doesn’t matter. Just try not to.
OK, then please try not to lie, either intentionally or unintentionally.
What about their own societies, how would they consider them?
As great men of science. But what does it matter? They are considered great men of science TODAY because they actually were. Your claim that they were unable of rational critical thought is obviously wrong.
I’m asking you how.
I've shown you. You claimed that religious thinking curtails critical thinking. I showed that very devout religious men throughout history have been great men of science, capable of the highest critical thinking such that much of their ideas are still studied today.
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How have I strawmanned you? I quoted you verbatim.
I didn’t claim you did.
Then your comment, "Can you please try not to strawman me." was curious. Did you have a suspicion that I intended to strawman you?
How do you find it illogical?
Because reality contradicts it. Some of the worlds greatest scientists were devout religious men, men who today would be considered far right religious nuts.
How was it contradictory?
I did not say contradictory, I said your claims were illogical. And you have so far only stated them, not supported them.
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Can you please try not to strawman me.
How have I strawmanned you? I quoted you verbatim.
Do you understand?
I do. I still think your claim is illogical and so far unsupported.
You responded with whataboutisms.
That contradicted your claims. So they were appropriate.
If you are going to make claims, you will have to defend them, no matter how accepted they are in atheist circles. Nothing here will be taken on faith.
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There is a good reason supermarkets place slow moving items in the same aisle as popular items.
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-->@dustryder
Good luck with that bit of tautology.
Democrats went to court constantly to stop Trump from inacting his policies. If Trump made no difference, why were Democrats always in court at every Trump policy?
And democrats said the economy would tank under Trump. That has not happened. When did you figure out that Trump made no difference? It couldn't have been during the election.
The facts are that democrats were wrong on just about every prediction they made about the Trump presidency.
Now dustryder says Trump is neutral, like a potato sack. Considering they used to think Trump was the 2nd coming of Satan, a potato sack is a step up.
If the country's economy improves further, maybe that sack will get some actual potatos in it!
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-->@zedvictor4
Conditioning is.
...is what?
Therefore religion is, irrespective of assumed belief.
Therefore religion is... what?
And science is the appreciation of alternative data.
So is astrology. So what?
Nonetheless:Religion is as religion does.And science is as science does.Therefore, there is the contradiction?
Your premises are illogical. But there is no contradiction between Christianity and science. There are sometimes contradictions between scientists and Christians, but they can easily be shown to be misunderstandings.
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Your claim was...
”Religious thinking” tends to give way to half-baked conclusions. Critical thought is absent.
Are you now amending it to...
Devout "Religious thinking” tends to give way to half-baked conclusions?
Can you support this new claim better than the previous one?
Can we please try to stay on topic?
How was I not on topic? I quoted you verbatim and responded directly to what you said.
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OK. Hopefully, your level-headed maturity will follow you into politics.
Good luck!
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Communism is also about taking the things produced and giving them to mooches who don't produce. That is what democrats want to do.Communism is about taking the means of production. Banning a specific kind of weapon is nothing like that.
Republicans wouldn't support you owning nuclear weapons, so they must be communists too right?
Please, let's not be silly. I don't already own any nuclear weapons and Republicans have not threatened to take them.
They do not say it openly, because they aren't communists.
Wanting to take from those who produce and give to those who produce nothing, is communism.
Republicans also don't say that they are communists openly, so by your logic they too must be secret communists.
Republicans do not want the resources of the country distributed to those who contribute nothing.
So Barack Obama turned the american economy around from an economic collapse that occurred under the republicans.
And yet voters rejected both Obama's VP Biden and Hillery whom he campaigned for? Wake up man.
That growth then continued and you give that credit to trump?
What growth? Every single one of you democrats predicted that the economy of the country would be trashed under Trump. Now that you've been proven wrong, you want to claim you were right.
There are also signs that a recession is coming in the near future, fed in large part by the destructive trade wars trump started. But i'm guessing when that happens you will find a way for it to be the democrats' fault.
As a Democrat, you would love the whole country suffering a recession just so you can blame Trump. TDS - hate of Trump over love of country.
Trump has had no real positive effect on the economy.
Highest employment numbers for women, and minorities? Growth close to 4% for the first 2 years? The fastest growing economy of developed countries? The strength to stop other countries misusing us with lopsided trade deals?
Your comment above makes me doubt your sincerity.
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You tell me which democrats have publicly called for the abolishment of private property.
Buttigieg. Ar-15's
Since literally no elected democrat has ever said that, please stop openly lying.
Democrats do not say openly what they would do because they know they'd never get elected if they did.
That would be a very good way to destroy the middle class
Best unemployment numbers, best minority employment numbers, largest tax cuts, high stock market, soaring middle class under Trump. Hello?
Tell them Doc!
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”Religious thinking” tends to give way to half-baked conclusions.Critical thought is absent.
Yet most of history's great men of science have been religious. How do atheists reconcile this contradiction?
Both world wars, Mao's China, Stalin's Russia, Hitler's eugenics, and evolution's larmarkism were all more due to materialist thinking than to religion. Is your POV being skewed by bias?
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-->@Kommandant_Nomad
The IP man movies have some of the best kung-fu screen play I've ever seen. I could watch them just for that.
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-->@3RU7AL
In time you will come to accept the truth that you don't control me and therefore I need no excuse to do what I like.
And that I could not be less interested in your opinion of my reasons.
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OK. It's probably obvious to you that I have no argument for atheism either. And if I had an argument for either, neither would be appropriate here.You obviously have no argument for theism.
You made a claim, on this thread, which you refuse to support.
I have not refused to support my claim, I have decided to support it in a thread on that topic. Are you saying I don't have that right?
And now, you're making up imaginary "rules" to obscure the FACT that you have no such argument.
OK. That my rules aren't written down in the boards CoC should not be a surprise to you. But your opinion of my behavior is immaterial.
if you're so obsessed...
My refusal to obey you is not an obsession. I'm just principled and not dumb.
....with adhering to the OP, why didn't you comment on it?
I did in my first post. You, being unable to debate any religious topic but the atheist standard, "God does not exist", seized on a tangent in my post and wanted the thread to become an anti-theist drone.
Re-read my first post with your anti-theist glasses off, and comment to that, or start a new thread on another subject you like, or ignore me, those are your options.
Me doing what you like is not one of them.
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You are impressively mature for your age.
What are you doing in school?
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This seems to me like an off topic tangent.
I started this thread, so I get to decide what's "off-topic" or not.
I disagree. The title does that. And I retain my right to decide for myself.
So while I think "Life" is an ironclad argument for theism,
Your awesome argument is one word? Which SPECIFIC god(s) do you think "Life" proves?
I said, "This seems to me like an off topic tangent. I will not debate it here.
You will learn that I mean what I say. Like it or hate it, but it will stand.
You seem to want threads diverted to your preferred topic whenever you come across a topic you like. I think that is disrespectful to the OP.
I'm quite certain that I am the "OP".
All the more reason you should not be disrespectful.
A member clicking on your thread expects to see a discussion on whether Deism is functionally identical to Atheism, and because he/she found that topic interesting, clicked on it.
Is there a reason you are reluctant to make a new thread for a new topic?
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And speaking of moderation, how do you feel about certain posts being censored...
I am perhaps not the best person to ask, for I am the one who still has vile posts insulting him up, though the poster has been banned.
Saying someone lied, or "I think Ethan lied," or "Ethan lied when he said this..." are all acceptable, but just a thread saying "Ethan is a liar" with no citations, no evidence, and no argumentation, just ad-hom should be removed.
I've never had problems with moderation, and I've been online since 1993. Myban by bsh1 was the first time I had ever been banned, and you can check my convo with bsh1. I accepted his authority to ban though I thought he was being unfair.
Censoring posts seem like a lot of unnecessary work for mods. If the gist of the entire thread is unhealthy, remove it. If you feel it is or will get out of hand, lock it.
But if the offence is simply one bad post, warn or ban the poster. If the post contains slanderous content, then yes delete it. But I believe any poster with a post (or thread) that deserves to be deleted is at the very least deserving of a warning.
Consistent moderation will not quiet the naysayers, but it will strengthen the good, and the good will confront the naysayers even before the mods respond.
Note Virt's decision to lock benches thread. The majority of support for the decision came from regular posters.
Just be consistent, don't worry too much about how loose or strict you are. Be fair, and be consistent in that fairness, and it will be the members themselves who will stand up for you.
I can take any mod decision if I believe the mod tried to be fair, and has a history of trying to be fair.
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