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@Stephen:
There is a curious, but obvious difference in what people think is the distinction between belief and opinion, to wit:
"An opinion is a judgment based on facts, an honest attempt to draw a reasonable conclusion from factual evidence. ... Unlike an opinion, a belief is a conviction based on cultural or personal faith, morality, or values." - https://writing.colostate.edu/guides/teaching/co300man/pop12d.cfm
"There are no similarities between belief and knowledge. They are opposites to one another, as two sides of the same coin. The basis of belief is conjecture, an individual's personal opinion of their seemingly most probable choice." - https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-and-similarity-between-knowledge-and-belief
Two random selections from Google, demonstrating, first, that few things share universal acceptance, and, second, the few people actually consult a dictionary.
And, just to consult one [OED]:
Belief: "The mental action, condition, or habit of trusting to or having confidence in a person or thing; trust, dependence, reliance, confidence, faith."
Opinion: What or how one thinks about something; judgement or belief.
Not a lot to parse there, is there? nd, just to put a cherry on it, you just said:
And he is thick and stupid if he believes I fell for his introductory soft soap arse licking bull shit.
See, even you don't distinguish between the two terms, yet you claim it. Want to revise?
So staying with the theme of my thread, Do you accept PGA 2.0's version of events concerning Jesus' return in 66-70 AD
Nope. Here's my thinking [from my comment in the debate https://www.debateart.com/debates/2975-jesus-was-a-false-prophet. [David v. PeanutHut. Comments [#4]:
"It is argued that Matt 24: 34 is a difficult verse to interpret. Yes, it is when one attempts to do so by cherry-picking the verse on its own. But the set up begins verses earlier, specifically at verse 3, when the entire discussion begins at the Mount of Olives, and many signs are given of the [second] coming of the Lord. We still await some of those signs, such as the sun darkening in concert with the moon turning red. Typically, a red moon is caused by a lunar eclipse, the result of being in Earth's shadow, but that is not the only cause of a red moon. It can also turn red when Earth's atmosphere's air molecules scatter blue light more than usual. If that occurs in conjunction with a darkening sun [it can], then we have the sign foretold. Hasn't happened, yet. Other signs are given, that haven't happened, yet, either. It is THIS [that is, that still future generation] the "difficult" verse speaks of, not the generation of the first century C.E.
"All the effort of defining the Greek term γενεά (genea), was a red herring argument. As usual, cherry picking solves very little and is the primary reason that some say verse 34 is difficult to interpret. Words mean things, yes, but context, such as including the previous 31 verses to capture the whole story, is just as important, if not more so."
"All the effort of defining the Greek term γενεά (genea), was a red herring argument. As usual, cherry picking solves very little and is the primary reason that some say verse 34 is difficult to interpret. Words mean things, yes, but context, such as including the previous 31 verses to capture the whole story, is just as important, if not more so."
And that is what I have and will protect.
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@RM
In fact Yoda contradicts that quote entirely with the following:The greatest teacher, failure is.
Thus, you have contradicted yourself.
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@dustryder
@RM
I'll offer the benefit of doubt to dusty.
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@zedvictor4
@Intelligence_06
I, too, thought your reference was to China, given the solid color of the flag's background. I don't think of the American flag as a singular color any more than I do of the Union Jack, or the Tri-Colour of France, my heritage.
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@ Stephen
But he is more than entitled to his opinion. And haven't criticised it.
No? From your #275:
dimtim couldn't hold himself together too long could he?
Note that I said in my #323 that "whatever Timid's religion is..." and that includes bot having one. By the way...
Indeed it took you almost 18 months and a spell of being ignored to realise your attitude was cowardly and uncalled for. At least I had a good reason.
Curious that I have been a member of DArt for just 14 months, and did not tag you until 13 months ago in your topic: "Thou shalt not kill?" So, where you get that I've been around for 18 months must be from your imagination, alone.
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@Intelligence_06
As a recent convert to the attitude that we ought, as nations, consider all other nations as allies, all, and not some allies, but some adversaries. We will never achieve the age-old dream of peace on Earth, goodwill to man, if we cannot abandon the thought that some of us should be adversaries. Therefore, in that light, I applaud your national pride, and hope the best for you. You will forgive, then, if I have the same pride for my USA. But, what I really think is that it would be wonderful to go as Earthlings, and not as separate nations. However, I do not believe we ought to abandon nationalities in favor of a one-world government, for I fear a loss of our individual cultures. I have been in many countries, including China, and I appreciate their different cultures, and celebrate our human diversity.
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@dustryder
Thank you for that, dusty. Much appreciated.
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@ludofl3x
if it created the universe out of nothing
If is, by utility, the most useless word in existence because it acknowledges only that which is currently not true. Not a great beginning to an attempt at logic.
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@coal
Are you opposed to the idea that all nations should also find favor with all other nations? Why is that such a shyte idea? Do you prefer animosity between nations?
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@coal
Not much of an aside. Want to repeat that; not that I'm unsure what you mean, but that it appears to be a violation of DArt etiquette since it is against me, personally, and not against my opinion. Personal attack is the indication that you have run out of argument, by the way.
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@zedvictor4
@Theweakeredge
that is literally your things in debates.
It is, but there is a distinction of knowledge you do not accept, but the non-acceptance is a limitation you acknowledge and to which you adhere: the ability to acquire knowledge by faith. I have described how that works enough times that I will not repeat again. I consider faith to be an available physical sense to which we can be educated to use and understand how and why it works. That you both choose to ignore it is, again, a self-imposed limitation. Until; you convince yourselves that it works, all the argument I can present will not convince you. Part of that is on your hard-headedness to ignore the trial of faith. Sorry, I can do no more for you. If that's a petard, it's your match.
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@Sum1hugme
Yes, by upgrade, the house does increase in value, but how does that equate to the lemonade stand Marx set-up? Because his expenses exceed his budget, how is value added to the business?By your model of transfer of value, it is the lemonade customers whose value is increasing, but that is merely a brief infusion of value because consumption of consumables does have a limited, but ending valuation. One must keep consuming for value to be maintained. If the lemonade stand fails, the continued valuation of the customers must be obtained from some other enterprise. The valuation of the consumer does nothing for the lemonade stand. Under the current circumstances, Marx's stand will still fail.
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@FLRW
I know, but I also know that CDC has recommended exceptions: indoors, if people cannot demonstrate they are vaccinated, or test negative, they must wear masks. The notice last week was not an all-clear. Don't make it sound as if it was. Now, whether science is behind that restriction, who knows? I suspect it is not.
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@Sum1hugme
You have not defined your terms well enough, and neither did Marx. Is your $100 paying just for my labor, or did you expect that I would provide the paint, the application of the necessary tools for the painting, the drop cloth, ladder, taping, etc, which must also come out of the $100 [then, I would not accept your job in the first place]? Sorry, but I used to do exactly that, earlier in my youth while going to college. I painted super graphics on people's walls. I provided all paint and tools needed, and, even then, fifty years ago, my bill was far more than $100. Labor, alone, does not cover all these expenses to complete the job, even if it is known up front that I will provide the tools and the materials, none of which Marx considers in his theory.
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@ Stephen
So you are just talking shite for the sake of talking shite. I should have guessed.
Assume as you will. I'll tell you, in my regards, you are wrong; your assumption is wrong, but, it is your assumption and your limitation. I can do nothing about that, and will not try.
Timid8967 Religion is one of those institutions which cause inequality and ought to be stamped out.
Whatever Timid's religion is, is his to settle. That you criticize it is an obvious insult to him. Why? It is his to embrace or reject. You have naught to say about it, and should not.
a bad cowardly habit that I picked up directly from YOU!
A habit, you will notice, I recognized was a wrong attitude, And I corrected. Tag.
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@RM
The two Yoda quotes actually work well together. The point of doing is just that: ACT. If that act fails, ACT again, differently, because repetition, expecting different results, is insanity.
Yoda's comment on doing, but just trying at random, is that random acts may fail, or succeed, but acting with the attitude "I can't," as Luke said to Yoda should have the response, "That is why you fail." See, it all fits together in a neat package, just as my father taught me: be ambitious, plan, and execute. I did, and, therefore, know I can.
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@Reece101
Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind.
So, what was the rest of all that preceded? practice?
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@Theweakeredge
being all-knowing does not mean you can interpret things perfectly..
If you are not omniscient, and I dare say that is a strong probability [and me, too], how, exactly, are you knowledgeable on perfect interpretation? Sorry, the failure of that comment is evident within it. As you do not believe in omniscience, it should be evident that it follows that you fail to understand how it works.
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@Stephen
Why bother asking me a direct question when you refuse to receive a direct answer? The answer is given in the comment to which you refer. If you would stop cherry-picking and read the entire comment, it might sink in. But, you will not. Repetition will only prove the point.
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@bmdrocks21
stop speaking in riddles and actually address what I say.
No riddle. You're asking the wrong question. The correct question is: Why isn't the Arab world pro-Israel? Why aren't the Democrats? Why isn't any nation in support of all other nations? Isn't that the goal? Then why don't we start asking ourselves those questions, and answering them? But, no, you want to prove a point. Well, my friend, that point is a little obtuse and short-sighted.
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@zedvictor4
I think that what you are trying to say
I don't try to say; I say it: "the Bible must be read; following clues..." It must be read. But it must be with a sincere heart, and real intent, having faith in Christ. Doing so, the truth of it will be revealed by the power of the Holy Ghost, and by that power, the truth of all things will be revealed.
Be flippant about it, it might as well be a sealed book. "Do, or do not, there is no try." Wise words from the prophet, Yoda. perhaps even within your lifetime; certainly mine.
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@zedvictor4
I don't recall
No, apparently not. It's even before your lifetime. Surprised you missed it; it's just two chapters following the covet bit: “Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death." Exodus 22: 19. However, even in your lifetime, just one month ago, on this matter of personal purity, "In matters of covenantal purity, the sacred is too often being made common and the holy is too often being made profane. To any who are tempted to walk or talk or behave in these ways—“as the world giveth,” so to speak—don’t expect it to lead to peaceful experience; I promise you in the name of the Lord that it won’t." This was Jeffrey R. Holland, of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles; a prophet in our time. Perhaps it is time to stop cleaning the clouds, with money, and start listening to what is coming to us, in the name of the Lord, that will clean the clocks of our filthy minds and hearts, and let the clouds take care of themselves. They have for billions of years, and have not stopped.
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@Reece101
Well God impregnated a woman out of wedlock.
How is the typical woman impregnated? I'm merely suggesting that there are a variety of methods to accomplish it without banging her; your clear intent of prideful disdain. Convince me that was not your accusation. It is the meaning in your words ["bastard son."] To mean otherwise, other words would have been used.
Further, How do you know there was not a marriage? No, the biblical record contains no such ceremony, but it also happens to lack any record of Jesus between 12 and about 30. So, you dismiss that Jesus did not live over those 18 years? How long did Adam & Eve spend in the Garden after creation? We don't know. Can we assume it was not just a day? Probably. Don't be so sure that because there is no record, that nothing occurred. For example, did you ever think, since Mary's role at the marriage in Cana was more than just that of a guest, that it may have been Christ's marriage? Why wouldn't a bridegroom want to impress his father-in-law with the best wine had in the celebration? No, I'm not saying it was his marriage, just that there are enough clues, it cannot be totally discounted. Often, that is how the Bible must be read; following clues, because it is not, never was, and never will be a concise record.
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@bmdrocks21
blatantly pro-Israel on literally every issue delegitimizes our positions to the vast majority Middle Eastern world
our position vs. the "vast majority Middle Eastern world?" You want to really convince me my argument is off-base? Isn't a "vast majority" an implied larger crowd? And that "vast majority" has been combatted for over 60 years?
I think you'd best re-think what you think a majority is, and that they are, therefore, arguing the correct position. The two ideas are not even consistent.
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@PGA2.0
you go against the biblical teaching
To which biblical teaching, exactly, is my suggestion contrary? You ing=fer there is a specific teaching I've ignored. Did not Satan tempt Christ in the wilderness? What teaching dismisses the probability that, included with satisfying hunger - which would be contrary to Christ's purpose in using his divine nature and power to help others, not himself - he was also tempted by the same words of doubt, "If thou be the Son of God..." to impose on the angels his rescue before that of others. You cannot just make the claim and then not bother to cite how this is contrary to biblical teaching. I am perfectly happy to be educated, if, in fact, it is there to be taught. I have read the Holy Bible cover-to-cover in a few languages, including Greek, and I find no such obvious teaching as you claim.
Further, is not doubt one of Satan's most useful weapons? Did he not use it5 in tempting Adam & Eve with eating of the tree of knowledge? "No," he told them, "ypu shall not surely die..." What he didn't say is that God would not end their lives on the spot, even God had said it would happen "in that day," thus hiding the true nature of death. In the Hebrew, our English "day" is interpreted as both a single day as we know it: one full Earth rotation, but also as a longer period of time. What is time to God? To him, it is virtually non-existent. What better weapon is there to convince us that a little sin here, a little one there, will matter little? But, they pile up, don't they, from that doubt that sin is no big deal. Then resulting doubt takes us further and further from God until he is dismissed out of hand, as many on this site contend.
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@bmdrocks21
So, follow the larger crowd because they must know what's what? Sorry, that excuse lacks credentials.
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@Theweakeredge
then there should absolutely be debate
Why must there be. God commands goodness. If God commands it, one need not debate about it. Go ask him. "...prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it." Seems he's pretty willing to respond to the serious desire to know the truth of things, merely by preparing a place to receive the answer. That is not a question placed in doubt, No. Ask with nothing wavering and without fear.
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@PGA2.0
I think the Jesus mythology began a lot earlier than the Germans. To wit: "If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread." The best road to mythology is to plant doubt in truth. Why not start with the very sonship of Jesus to God? Better to start the doubt in your target, first? Satan ko=nows exactly who Christ is, but is making the strong effort to plant doubt in Jesus that he may not be the Son of God, after all. The stones and bread are coincidental. Satan wants to plant doubt; therefore: "If..." If Jesus can be made to doubt who he is, you've got the whole program defeated before it begins.
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@Reece101
And God could not possibly have in vitro tech? Try again.
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@thett3
It seems awfully suspicious that this is another Democrat-manufactured crisis that they blame on the Russians. Again. And again. And again...
Of course, it would have never happened had Trump just kept quiet about US energy production independence - a stab to the heart 0of the Green New Deal.
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@Theweakeredge
Nothing special about good? I'd say there's nothing else about it but good. Goodness keeps the wide world of freedom of choice at hand. Evil does nothing but limit choice.
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@zedvictor4
For sure. With science like this, who needs quantum physics. or climate change, for that matter
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@zedvictor4
Does Slo Joe use Twitter?
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@ebuc
How many in your sample group?
Is your measurement device calibrated?
When was it last calibrated?
Did you perform Gage R&R?
At what confidence level and moe are your stats?
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@Theweakeredge
Notice that I said that no masks is now the science. Masks. No masks. Seems were right back where we started a year ago with grouchy Fauci's indecision. Mask. No mask. Two masks. The man is a walking multiple-choice. I dare say science has naught to do with any of it.
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@Theweakeredge
All God's commands are for the good of man
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@FLRW
Assumption incorrect. Try again, or just accept that this relates to no statement by anyone. This is my personal opinion. I do have them, you know. I do my own thinking and do not need anyone's prompting to do so. Nice word salad, but completely off point. I am discussing the US Embassy in Israel, which I believe has naught to do with Ukraine, PunterBiden, or the rest of your sandbox players.
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Wow. Yesterday [actually, two days before], masks were politics. Today, [actually yesterday], no masks is science.
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@Barney
THB that a story declared as a myth is attempt to strip its portection. If you don't want to bear the burden of protection, best not strip it, because we will protect it.
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I'm just sayin... there's a syllogism in there, somewhere. I invite all comers.
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@Timid8967
One solution "they" might try is talking to us rather than viciously about us. If they own the site, that's one thing, but they do not. Theoretically, all are welcome. Not so much, but I don't think any one side ought to presume they are exclusively welcome.
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@PGA2.0
Thanks, that's about the size of it. Using a stick to beat us until morale improves.
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@Double_R
Because withholding previously legislated aid to a country [Ukraine] against their performing a task, the performance of which is NOT within Biden's jurisdiction to demand, is irrational.
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@Barney
Disagree with topical ideas under discussion, rather than making insults toward the people with whom you are engaging in discussion.
I have no problem with this declaration. It should havce stopped there, but, you continued:
The mythological figure under discussion has no such protection; as an example, he could be accused of being a bad carpenter with no repercussions.
The identity of that person is not in doubt. Had you said, "I think the figure under discussion is a myth," or words to that effect, it is stating your point of view. To say it as said declares that it is the general point of view, and, being a myth, as if it is fait accomplis, it's okay to accuse him of being a bad carpenter. No, that is doing the very thing you stated before, making insult. You can have your own beliefs. Allow others to have theirs. Take your stand, but don't assume everyone else agrees with you. That position is what has contributed to the toxicity.
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@Barney
When did I say Jesus did not appear in biblical stories? When did I essay to prove that? You have me at odds, sir, with what I did say: that myth and religion are not synonymous, as per my citations. By saying they are, and driving your point home that Jesus, or his stories, are myths is you calling my blue a color, and I think that was the very point you were trying to make that contributed to this string's toxicity. Perhaps it ought to be closed for good.
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@Sum1hugme
Sorry, but Marx was wrong; ergo, so are you. Cumulative labor value =/= capital investment, or, more properly called capital expenditure [CapEx], because, well, it’s an expense. CapEx comes out of gross revenue to acquire, maintain, and improve the fixed assets of an enterprise, the building, equipment, tools, furnishings, etc. It has naught to do with labor, which is a separate expense entirely. Process of any enterprise is divided into 5 categories: Method [the process, itself, including design and layout of all the following], Equipment, [tooling, tech, etc], Manpower [labor, direct and indirect], Environment [the physical space], and Materials. CapEx deals with two of these: Equipment and Environment. Labor deals with only one: Manpower. Both the Process and Materials are added expenses, and all expenses are derived from Gross revenue. What’s left over after these expenses is net profit. As I laid out, since Marx ignored method, environment, and materials, and indirect labor, his budget went south, as does Socialism.
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@Greyparrot
Whew! Thank God I wasn't a statistics major.
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With Hamas attacking Israel, and the Democrats divided over what to do, it seems within days, Biden will decide to move the US Embassy out of Jerusalem. When did he ever make a rational foreign policy decision? No, instead, his decisions mimic a line from 2018: "I told him he had 6 hours to fire the prosecutor. Son of a bitch, he did."
Right now, Slo Joe is considering putting the Embassy in Wuhan.
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When you think of the vast opportunity YouTube has to educate, it's such a shame that it doesn't. Case in point; the above, missing something.
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