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@3RU7AL
@Theweakeredge

Is built on assumptions and presuppositions
Edge: Spot on.

Part of the assumption that is completely false is, first, the belief that the money supply is finite. It isn't. Oba'a tried to sell us that mantra, but, he was merely arguing for his perceived limitations. Dreams of his father? He couldn't dream for himself? He actually did, and has a place on Martha's Vineyard as a result, when he promised on the tarmac on 1/20/17 to just go back to Chicago streets to organize them. Seems he took a detour to Los Gatos, CA [HQ of Netflix[ and that's exactly where the plane in his background while giving us the organized streets routine was going, and now he has a house in the hood on Martha's Vineyard, and Chicago streets are still what they are. Oba'a proved he was wrong about the money supply. 


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@3RU7AL
As I said, I do not prefer a center point, and I explained why.  Whatever Milky Way and Andromeda are doing relative to each other requires a scope of perspective larger than either's individual scope. one can continue that enlarging scope forever: eternity. If only one could dismiss their finite scope because they cannot think big enough. That's on them, not the eternal.
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@secularmerlin
Who, exactly, pays for your UBI?

Oh, I get it. Private industry employers pay your UBI? Directly? No. A UBI would still come directly to you from government, by a tax the government imposes on private industry, when over 40% of private industry is already earmarked to pay labor costs, the highest single expense paid from industry gross revenue. And who pays private industry gross revenue? Other businesses, and individual consumers. Me, for example. Is that crystal clear, yet?
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@secularmerlin
Who, exactly, pays for your UBI? The government? And who funds the government, genius? Taxpayers. Tell if your UBI is sourced from anything but tax revenue.
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@3RU7AL
supermassiveblackholeatthecenterofthemilywaygalaxy
The supermassiveblackholeatthecenterofthemilywaygalaxy is not the center of the universe. Galaxy and universe are two separate things. We know that because we observe millions, perhaps billions of separate galaxies, not just our milky one.
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Gov Cuomo: never intended...
So, Cuomo says he never intended to make women uncomfortable. No, if he also claims that touching and kissing has always been his mantra, then his intent is clear. What he has intentionally ignored is that the world has changed from his era of assumed allowance by women to be touched by either strangers or familiars who are not intimate familiars. Therefore, what he claims as not intentional is exactly intentional by two standards.
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@secularmerlin
What is the REAL ISSUE?
I spelled that out very clearly in my post #39. That you have a right to life, I acknowledge. That you have a right to a UBI as a result of a right to life is absurd. Your housing, food, employment, education beyond K-12, transportation are on you for you, not me and everybody else who actually works, whether for themselves or a boss. Your complete lack of considering your personal responsibility for those privileges is my real issue. Your right to life ends at your fingertips and do not include mine. I do not pay for your privileges; you do.
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Man's own unwillingness to see the proof of Gods existence
We observe the revolution of stars around our own galaxy, our Sol among them, and that of other galaxies, and that's authoritative, but n one of it means there's a center of the whole. It's simply a matter that in an eternal space, there is no center.
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@secularmerlin
Truly I find it strange that you ate so worried about how unfair it would be to you if you no longer had to work for a living and instead could simply work for what you want.
No wonder you find it strange. I don't worry about it. I worked, earning more than sufficient because I educated myself to command and set my personal worth to employers until I no longer had to work for an employer, even though I enjoyed what I was doing, and could work for myself. Now, I don't have to work at all, but I do because I still enjoy it.
If you are willing to be entitled to have because other people do the work while you earn at leisure, you will never know that joy of personal responsibility of work, and when other people's money is gone, because your system never survives very long [forty years average], then you have nothing and are nothing. Congratulations.
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Why is Biden avoiding the media?
I noted an exchange yesterday between Jen Psaki, WH Press Secretary, and a journalist [don't recall who; doesn't matter]. The journalist asked a pointed question why Biden had not held any press conferences since taking office, a duration in excess of 40 days - longer than any other new President in recent memory. Psaki replied, "I speak for the 
President." That's all well and good, but what's wrong with Biden speaking for himself? At events where it is inevitable that media reps and the President will be in the same place, but the President answers one or two questions and walks away. Anyone want to venture a guess, particularly considering how the President conducted his campaign of similar avoidance? Is this going to be a spokesperson Presidency? One might conclude he cannot do it. After all, at least Oba'a had TOTUS.

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@RationalMadman
Only a guilty conscience would assume that. Stop putting words in my mind and claiming they're mine.
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@RationalMadman
That's an easy out I do not accept.
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@secularmerlin
increased liberty it would provide citizens
Yeah, secure dat the expense of others, so what of their liberty? Or are you suggesting that some, by their own efforts of securing their happiness, must still fund others who don't give a shyte about supporting themselves, and, in effect, rob others of their earned liberty? I'll choose when, where, and how I give to others, and I do. Some 20% of my increase goes directly to my chosen charities, and a goos portion. of my time. It is my choice, not my government, how that is distributed, thanks.
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@Theweakeredge
 this is not a debate, you are welcome to your position and I don't feel the need to rebut it.
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I am changing accounts (got a new e-mail)
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@MisterChris
That's fine. I'm in no hurry. I'm leaving the old email open on my google account until I'm sure that all that is connected to it [photo's critical emails I want to keep, etc] is securely downloaded elsewhere so it is not eliminated when I close the google acct associated with that email. That will take some time. 
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@Theweakeredge
Nope. The Declaration states you have the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, but as you have the right to life by automatic means, that is the only aspect of rights for which one personally has no ownership of their own power to provide. Nowhere do you find any other right for which you have no personal responsibility. You liberty is yours to obtain and maintain if you do not have it at birth With your liberty, you choose to take on other rights, but only to the extent that you agree with the requirements of maintenance and allow them to all others. Your happiness is on you, entirely, to obtain. Same with your income, housing, food & water, your healthcare, your employment, your transportation. Fo r all of that, you are personally responsible. Even your due process depends on your personal responsibility of comportment, and comes into play only because another may seek to take away your rights unlawfully. You do not automatically have due process until you go to court to seek a redress against another who has violated your rights, including the government. What makes you think you have these rights with no personal responsibility to them? A syllogism? Most syllogism make false claims of logic.
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Are incel's right?
What I've learned from Yeats, mostly by his poetry, is that heremticism is a fascinating study, which interests me, too, but I admit that I am constantly comparing ideas presented as they appear to differ from Christianity, but then find, by surprise, by digging deeper, that the similarities are there, just a different approach than I am used to.
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@Bringerofrain
book of plato with the annotations would probably be a gold mine of knowledge.
It was. I had frequent access to it. I still wonder why I insisted on it being buried with him because I don't believe he is in the grave where it is deposited, and I've often wished since I could consult it. I just felt his body should retain possession, so, my loss, and anyone else's who would have wanted it. His wife and children agreed with my request. Besides, now, I believe, my brother has access to Plato, himself. What could be better? The most versatile hermeticist I now of is W.B. Yeats, whose poetry thrills me with each reading. I've even composed a historic fiction [unpublished as yet] involving Yeats and his long association with a women who declined some 20 proposals of marriage to him, yet she loved him desperately. Just the true story is fascinating enough. mine is, I hope, more so.  Hermeticism figures prominently in the story as I did some extensive research on the subject.
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@secularmerlin
Only when one does not have the physical wherewithal to make their own living by an honest trade do I withdraw the demand for personal responsibility. I have no patience for someone who can, but chooses to insist that others support them.
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@Bringerofrain
I have nearly no ability to truly understand your day-to-day. The closest that comes to it is my own oldest brother, who had ALS, and endured a rare long time of 16 years with it, gradually declining in ability of motor function, and speaking. I am now older than he was when he graciously passed away, and he remains the most intelligent and wise person I ever knew. His favorite volume other than scripture was his copy of Plato's Republic, which he doubled in size due to volumes of notes in the margins of each page, and then separate slips of paper with notes, front and back, in between virtually each printed page. I insisted he be granted the right to have it clutched in his hand in his coffin. The other was a good friend in my neighborhood who I visited frequently, once discovering he shared many of my interests. He too suffered ALS, and was gone in 3 years from his initial diagnosis. I was able to dismiss consideration as a matter of personal pity due to their infliction because in both cases, their minds remained sharp as tacks. I believe the value of people is what they retain, unseen in mortality, and take with them beyond this mortal coil; when perfection will attend them as surely as anyone not so physically challenged in mortality. This brief session in mortality has so much glory awaiting its finality; my brother runs through fields of wildflowers of colors we can only imagine now. I weep for my lack of it, for now.
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`Anointing` Of Jesus?
Luke's account is, at best, secondhand, because Luke never met Christ. Consider the children's game of putting 10 children in a circle, and whisper a very short story or verse to the first child, and each cild, in turn, hears the story and passes to the next. The story is likely altered in the first telling, not to mention subsequent renditions.
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@RationalMadman
As you support the simulation hypothesis, what matter is it to you your opinion that I support sexual harassment, which I do not?
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@secularmerlin
Where did I say I don't believe in a right to life? Yes, there is a right to life, but sustaining that life by food, water, clothing, a job + income, shelter, a car... those are personal responsibilities of privilege. I include health care as a personal responsibility.
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Does it matter by science whether school children are shot down or die by their own hand?
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@oromagi
The argument that kids in homes with guns haver higher suicide rates points to the lazy control parents have of their guns. Mine are locked in a safe of which my children are aware, but do not have the combination [it's in the electronic file of my living trust at my attorney's office to which they have no access until my death] and my grandchildren do not even know I have the safe, but are aware I have them, but have no access to them. They're satisfied with that explanation, as are my children.

I never said all children are immune to contracting or transmitting covid; just that it is the lowest sub-group of the population with those issues. We do not habitually close the schools for other issues that may be a risk of life to them, such as small pox, polio, or flue, all of which have noted small numbers of deaths among children.
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@Theweakeredge
IF such things as rent, food, clothing, water, etc, are all rights to have, THEN they should be afforded to the citizens as a measure of upholding said rights.
But all those things are not rights, they are privileges. The government does not guarantee to prevent taking your own life. In fact, with the exception of 7 states [HI, CA, OR, WA, MT, CO, & ME] suicide is a felony. It is not in those 7 states because they say it is a crime that cannot be punished for obvious reasons. And, in several states, now, assisted suicide is legal whereas suicide is not legal. Curious.


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@Theweakeredge
Which of your points did I not address?

You questioned "love." I replied

You questioned love of Christ. I replied to substitute man.

You questioned love of both God and man, and doing both, offering a flawed syllogism. I gave you a proper scope

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@Barney
Won't matter. In 100 days, it's Kammie, anyway.
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Why is politics so slow?
Politics is slow because it fails at the outset to accomplish what it is meant to accomplish, but it uses the wrong tools.
It is for that reason that I do not call myself a Republican, a Democrat, a Conservative, or a Liberal [let alone Progressive, which harkens back to an idea dating to 1848, therefore "progressing" by looking in the rearview mirror, or its ultimate journey, a Communist]

I am a Sermonist. That is, I believe the Sermon on the Mount is the best political philosophy ever to be expressed in the history of man's politics. By these principles, even applied just secularly, we would solve every single social ill we suffer today if they were fully practiced by all.
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@Theweakeredge
love is only a connection of chemicals in response to a repeated pattern 
By that, you demonstrate the failure of the English lexicon, which is the most verbose of any current lexicon in the world. As many words as we have, there are still failures of distinct context. English has but one word, 'love,' to express the variety of context that, in Greek, has fully six separate words which take into account your "definition" in but one of them: eros. What English must do is add adjectives to the one word, love, to express what Greek does succinctly and briefly. Actually, Egyptian [ancient hieroglyphics] has even more context by word distinction. 

I do not believe that god or christ exists
Fine, then replace the definition as charity: the pure love of man [love being the full scope of the Greek definitions of that word]

it is possible to love your neighbors and not love god
So you may think, but that does not make it true. You diminish both by deleting one of them. Did you miss how I explained the necessity of love of both God and man? if we cannot live the first commandment, the second will never come to pass. If we cannot follow the second commandment, the first will not endure. Both are part and parcel of "charity." It isn't about the money, or any other commodity. That you interject unacceptance of one of them, notwithstanding, you merely  limit your scope of possibilities. Argue for your limitations; they're yours. Syllogisms of the type you suggest are the easiest to screw up because you must recognize that all elements of the equation on one side must equate to the result on hte other side of the equation. Thus my favorite, original syllogism:

P1 Birds fly
P2 Camels walk
C Therefore, butterflies swim.

 So... If, I do not love my neighbors, then I do not love god? Please explain 
If you do not love your fellow man, you cannot love God. And vice versa. The reason is because if you cannot love your fellow man, who you see everyday, every hour, see his successes and celebrate them with him, and his failures and help him to get up again, how can you love whom you do not see, and do not serve?  If you do not even acknowledge he exists, you are not inclined to be in his service by helping [your word] your fellow man. Whereas, helping your fellow man is service to God because you sacrifice your own time, talent, commodity and self for the benefit of others; just what God wished we would all do. And that would tell you your first denial of truth, against what I've just explained is not, itself, true. Again, it's arguing for your limitations, and that is a fruitless exercise.


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A measure of incompetence
We appear to be lacking a SOTU this year. At best, it would last five minutes, because reading aloud longer than that, and Joe Biden starts swaying on his feet, delirious. The one teleprompter, straight ahead of him, will make him focus on it so intently, his SOTU will be the monotonous drivel we heard yesterday, eyes drilled into the screen rather than to the vista that is the House chamber. 

Kammie in 100 days.
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@Barney
@zedvictor4
"I will beat Joe Biden." And, yes, that is exactly what he said, in spite of media apologies to the contrary, claiming he said "I will be Joe Biden,"  which is actually a worse admission. Who was he, then, when he said it, if not Joe Biden???  But, I happen to have an audio production studio as an occasional voice-over professional. The analysis of Joe's critical word has a definite trailing 't.' One of many, many verbal gaffes. I also really like [not a direct quote, but close enough "we will have three hundred," speaking of doses of covid vaccine. The man is incompetent, seven ways from Sunday. There are more numerous examples of these verbal gems demonstrating disconnect from head to mouth than claimed Trump lies. What's worse, telling a lie [which is not illegal, by the way], or not knowing the difference?
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@Double_R
If you have nothing to say in response why bother?
Being the 48th post of this topic, including my original #1 to launch this topic, I own over 25% of them. Nothing to say? None so blind as those who will not see.
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@Theweakeredge
do you perhaps have another definition
Did you miss my #13, because that is the only definition of charity that makes sense to me - it transcends the dictionary. How best to help people but to love them? All else flows from that. "Help" is more than giving money. It's service, at a minimum.
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@K_Michael
That's a sad Hurricane Harvey history that is entirely unavoidable. 
Should have had food storage already. I own a freeze dryer [for 2 years]  and, to date, have storage for 2.5 years for my family, plus additional storage in other storage methods; over 3 years in all.

I have an underground water cistern of 2,500 gallons, [the state-imposed max - a stupid law - plus above ground of 500 gallons. The addition actually violates the law, but ask me if I care. Stupid law.

I have prepared grab-and-go kits of food & water, clothing, money, and other supplies [including a large tent/arctic-capable sleeping bags] for the family  to last a week away from home if ever necessary.

We conduct timed family drills every other month to assure we each know what to do with assigned tasks for each person to accomplish and collect at a designated point away from the house. What's better, anyone in the family can declare a drill at any time, just to assure we're all ready to act immediately.

I can collect the family in an emergency in my basement and hermetically seal it for a year's survival, if necessary. No flood potential. I am upgrade from  fresh, ever-flowing stream across my property on a hill surrounded by forest. My solar panels will continue function if the grid goes down, and have another proprietary electrical energy source if needed by grid shutdown. I 'm ready for just about anything but a direct nuclear strike.

I know there's more we could do, but we're already better off, I think, than nine of ten people in a random population.
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@3RU7AL
AS you may have noted, I deleted my post. I found a calculation error and meant to repost, but I've been dsitracted. I will re-post when I have that correctly calculated.
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@Benjamin
I think you might be interested in this topic.
As you indicated in your #2, I was, indeed, interested in your topic, but there was no reply to my post #22. Any thoughts?
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Women when they get beaten
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@Utanity
No. I've been accused of excusing men who harass women, let alone beat them, but accusers completely miss my argument. Women do some pretty dumb things that appear to invite the abuse, but men are dumber for acting on impulse against them. I say both sides need to back up and reconsider their approach to the sex war. First, it shouldn't be a war. Men are no bet3er than women, and vice versa. They are simply different, and its that difference that causes many to see a divide. 
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Best movie soundtracks?
Field of Dreams, and Kingdom of Heaven. Also like the TV series soundtracks of Wild Palms, and Red Show Diaries. Have the CDs of all four
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I am changing accounts (got a new e-mail)
Never caught this string before now. A few days ago, I raised the issue with Ragnar that I could not change my email address in my DArt profile, and suggested that be changed. Doesn;t make sense to not be enabled to do that. I had to change my email because somebody, somewhere, on whose website I've been, most have sold their mailing list because suddentl, right after the firstr of the year, I suddenly became inundated with emails from people I've never heard of and never communicated with, including some Russian, Israeli, Japanese, and German sites, in those various languages, in none of which I have fluency. I tried unsubscribing, but that has not worked. 
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Quotes
One of my favorite movie quotes:

"In the private sector, they expect results."

from Ghostbuster, 1984, at the beginning of the movie when the Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray characters regret the loss of their university grant for paranormal studies. Bill is nonchalant, but Dan reminds him... "In the private sector..."
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@SirAnonymous
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@Greyparrot
Is this a no response?
Yes, that's a 'no'
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A measure of incompetence
When and if Biden actually holds a  face-to-face summit with a foreign leader, I suggest that leader begin commentary by speaking their native language, and see how long it takes for Biden to realize the commentary is not in English.
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Charity is the pure love of Christ, and it is the means by which we follow the two great commandment [Matthew 27; 37 - 39].  "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

if we cannot live the first commandment, the second will never come to pass. If we cannot follow the second commandment, the first will not endure. Both are part and parcel of "charity." It isn't about the money, or any other commodity. 
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@Theweakeredge
Gratitude shouldn't have anything to do with it
Then you do not understand the true purpose and character of charity. Learn that, first, then reassess.
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@oromagi
I like your assessment. Gratitude is the greater measure. Entitlement is a charity-killer when the true definition and character of charity is understood and practiced. And, it makes the charitable act a blessing down the road, and close at hand, for the willing provider. 
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Does it matter by science whether school children are shot down or die by their own hand?
When is Biden going to get it that his mantra to follow the science of both the causes and effects of Covid is making a significant difference to parents who lose their children by their own hands due to imposed isolation in the name of Covid, as opposed to losing them by reckless actions of other children who bring a weapon to school to create havoc? To the parents who have lost children permanently to the isolation effect of political decisions made against current science, it is making a difference.

Yes, it is, because losing a child to the random recklessness of other children is tragic, but much more difficult to prevent. Whereas losing a child to isolation could have easily been prevented by making a decision, not by flawed assessment of science, which has been saying for months that school children represent the least measure of either contraction of the virus, or transmission of it to others. What 'science' is Biden following? Teacher's Unions? And what are they afraid of, given the science? Biden and teachers unions' science is spelled p-o-l-i-t-i-c-s. Sound familiar?
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@Reece101
Example: is Creation "done?" or are new stars being formed, new species? Yes, they are. Who says God Created in six periods [I do not mean 24-hour days, at all], then rested a 7th period, and then retired and went fishing, so who cares? No. I say Creation continues via evolution. Lots of people think they are not even the same coin, and some say they are opposite sides of the same coin, I and others think they are on all sides of all coins.
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Does time exist?
I mean that the measure of passage becomes not a time-based measure, but a measure of relative accomplishment. "When" is not a factor. "Done" is the factor.
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@Theweakeredge
Yes, hearsay does get a hearing in court, at times. Doesn't mean it's a proper tactic, just poor practice of the law, including by judges.
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