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@HistoryBuff
I'm not sure you understand how elections work.
Surety has naught to do with it. You do not understand how polls work. The fact is, they rarely do. Not when preconceived bias is part of the "science," and media sponsors it. I am a Six Sigma Black Belt. I know statistical science, and current polling is about as scientific as the current climate models. Tell me, for example, how accurate tsunami 'science' is when the "model" is a vertical-sided, flat-bottomed steel tank? Ever see an ocean with those parameters? Your "climate science" is all of 200 hundred years old. Come back to me when it is 3,000 years old, like physics. That's History, buff, and you and your 'global warming,' let alone polling accuracy, don't have it.
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@zedvictor4
More probably, Trump is the first President in a long time who accomplishes his promises and goals. I am one of many Americans who is far better off now, demonstrably, than with Oba'a, who can talk a good line, sometimes, but did little for me, personally. I barely broke even with losses beginning under Bush, who was no great shakes, either. The latter was just another Prog who happened to wear an R.
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@zedvictor4
By 1939, 80% of American homes had radios. https://www.encyclopedia.com/education/news-and-education-magazines/radio-1929-1941
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@zedvictor4
Perhaps, but I did that when I was 30-something. I'm still here, 40 years later, healthier, if a little slower, than then..
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@zedvictor4
Yeah, the same people who believed the 1938 War of the Worlds radio broadcast hoax by Orson Wells.
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@MisterChris
Agree, and more concerning is that if Biden happens to win [unless the election is rigged, he hasn't a chance] Kammie, as VP{, invoke the 25A within the 1st quarter, and she won't need the bill; she would have the authority to invoke.
On the rigging, I believe the S.C. primary that gave Biden his first primary win was rigged as a trial balloon for this mail-in balloting routine. Having succeeded, along with a convenient virus [also a probable rigged event], the Dem Party effectively had a virtual brokered convention, just like the real one in 1952 that buried Kefauver in preference for Stevenson, who did not even run a primary campaign. Kefauver was snookered, and so was Sanders this year.
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Never was there a more deflated balloon of an anticipated announcement than Nancy Pelostomy's invocation of the 25A. Pelostomy fails to recognize there is already "a process" established, and she needs no "commission" to make recommendations. As section 4 of the 25A already establishes [but the latter of options has never been invoked], either the President declares his inability, or the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet declare to the President pro tempore of the Senate, and the Speaker of the House, their advice of the president's inability, or Congress must pass legislation to declare another body, such as itself, potentially, to make the declaration of the President’s inability to function in office. After all this time [53 years since ratification of the 25A], she should not need a commission. Compose a bloody bill and see if it will pass. But, as usual, though declaring her undying defense of the Constitution [which is not the verbiage of her oath of office], Pelostomy understands not one bloody word of it.
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@HistoryBuff
Have a care to understand who your polling public really is. Political polls almost always make registered voters their target audience for polling. Who are registered voters? In 2016, there were 250M of them. Only 51%, 127M, of them actually voted, split between Trump and Hillary. Meaning 123M of them never bothered to vote, having no will to make their voice, and opinion, heard. They are included in your polls. In fact those 123M ARE your majority; people who have no valid opinion. You trust them?
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@EtrnlVw
You have noted a couple of assumptions that need bridling:
If you understand that religions are just interpreting the nature what they observe, and there is no culture or religion that the Creator favors over another and rejects everything else
Understand? As if that is the only correct view? How does one "understand" that which is not true? Now, if you "accept" one thing over another thing, fine, but to accept all, or nothing, is to admit understanding escapes because "all" cannot, yet, be understood.
One can examine this body of knowledge
What body of knowledge. Religion does not have a complete "body of knowledge" any more than science does.
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@PGA2.0
Does this thread assume morality shows a single face? I propose morality is a room of multiple walls filled with masks, particularly in these days of P.C. re-imagination. So, what of reason in either atheism or theism? "Reasonable" has as many masks as morality. So, in fact, do "atheism" and "theism." When you think you're juggling only four balls, suddenly, you have legion.
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@oromagi
throwing the nation’s leadership into uncertainty
Really? Appears to me, the Constitution is very clear abut the certainty of the nation's leadership. Just because no one bothers to read the bloody thing, with comprehension, does not change the facts.
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Tonight, I watched an episode of "The Twilight Zone" that first aired in season 1, March, 1960, titled as above. I remember it vividly. It could have been Maple Street in Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, Chicago, NYC, or Louisville. Anywhere where people allow themselves to be captured by the insidious accusations from which this episode grew. Pogo said it best, not too many years after 1960: "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
Put that in your social conscience of P.C. speech and incurable re-imagination. There is no new imagination under the sun. But every generation thinks they have cornered the market. No, you haven't. We Boomers, didn't, nor did the Greatest Generation before us. And certainly not Gen-X, Y, or Z, Millennials, or anyone else. Try, sometime, to do and say something new. All the wokeness, all the re-imagine, and all the poundmetoo will never get us there.
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@n8nrgmi
what are the rules...?
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn." A suitable answer since before 1939.
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@MisterChris
thanks.
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@BearMan
It's the logo for nothing but fauxlaw's DESIGN company.
Northing? Thanks. Was there ever any idea it was something else?
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@Barney
No, it's ok, so far. Harmless fun. Didn't know, though, that my avatar [never heard of a pfp - had to look it up] was such a mystery. As BearMan said, it's just a frog on the Tri-Colour, and it is my company's logo. The company was once Bullfrog Design. If you heard my voice, you'd know why Bullfrog. Plus, I'm of French ancestry.
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@oromagi
Am I archaic in doing most of my work on my iMac? A 27" screen? With two other monitors of the same size? I have trouble enough with my full-size keyboard. I wish I had keys 1" square, making my keyboard about double its current size. I have, for better or worse, big hands and fingers. Fingers too big to adequately write with speed on my iphone. So, I don't.
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@Greyparrot
@Death23
Relevance to the subject at hand?
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@ILikePie5
@Death23
Pie, your citation from Cuomo is, coincidentally, Cuomo making use of Death's "whataboutism." Meanwhile, Cuomo knows very well, as you both should, that the "European Virus" is, genetically, not European at all, but is uniquely Chinese in origin. "The consensus among experts researching the virus places the beginning of its spread at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China."https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/03/16/coronavirus-fact-check-where-did-covid-19-start-experts-say-china/5053783002/
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@ILikePie5
Was it xenophobic for China, but not for European countries? Can't have it both ways.
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I'll note for the record that the debate page update still includes the instruction that sourcing is required as a feature of arguments.
This notice is not to be considered as a voting element in the current debate in the voting cycle, https://www.debateart.com/debates/2221-resolved-referenced-sources-are-necessary-in-a-debate
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You know this game: You have a collection of photographs to which you apply whimsical captions. I did this a few years ago with a collection of Nancy Pelosi photos I gleaned from internet images. You'll have to imagine the photos; I know I can give your reference links, but, honestly, it's too labor-intensive for my likes. Use your bloody imagination for once!
Nevertheless, here are the applied captions. Have fun. Contribute more if you're inclined:
“Never forget the immortal words of Mark Twain: ‘It is better to keep your mouth open to be a fool than to close it to hide what’s in it.’” [Mouth wide open]
“Live long and prosper … and frequent the bathroom of your choice." [fingers of both hands raised and slightly split in the middle - you know how]
“See, according to the palm lines, my head and heart are completely at odds and never correlate; kind of like having to pass the bill to see what’s in it.” [holding one hand up wide open]
“I heard it’s like a bull’s butt at fly time. How’m I doin?” [Mouth open even wider]
“But for this clown behind me, I’d look like her.” [She is pictured with her husband, and a model is also just over her shoulder]
“I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.” [Eyes closed and pinched, mouth in a wide-open, toothy grin]
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The logic of progressive thinking is sometimes so convoluted, it is often possible to find it turning on itself, interrupting its path toward whatever nirvana they seek in a perfect world. Case in point: the argument against the temporary travel ban of certain nationalities and travelers through those nations.
It is an argument of rights. Most progressives — not all, it must be admitted, as will follow shortly — assume without legal backing, by the way, that anyone has a right to travel to the United States, regardless of nationality and condition; particularly refugees. The law says otherwise in both the 14thamendment as well as U.S. Code Title 8, § 1182, (3)(A),(B),(C), among others.
Here’s a valid example of the logic interrupt: If health care is a right, as progressives so doggedly insist, where was their protest when the order was given to prevent travel to the U.S? You say they did protest? To be critically factual, a few did protest but it was very few; the great majority of progressives remained silent.
If health care is a right, as progressives claim, then relative health of persons is a protected class and they should not be restricted in travel. Then, progressives might have a logical claim against the restriction of citizens of, and travelers through any nation. (Might,because there are still the statutes noted above.)
However, the fact is, health care is not a right. As I have argued before, if health was a right, then persons who are at risk of death due to need of an organ transplant would have the organs available to save their lives. But they don’t always have them, do they? Progressives correctly rankle at the thought of ending one person’s life to provide the needed organ for another.
This logic is interrupted, as well, in spite of the relative innocence of the parties involved, when applied to the practice of abortion, but that’s an interrupt of a different story. At the same time, most progressives oppose the execution of criminals guilty of some capital crimes. See; convoluted.
In a purely logical world, it would follow that a temporary restriction against citizens of, and travelers through nations that do not share proper vetting information with the United States to confirm the legal passage into the U.S. is legal and valid, according to the statutes noted above, not to mention a consistent logic.
Oh, wait a minute. Did you think I was talking about the travel ban imposed by President Trump earlier this year due the Covid-19 pandemic? Oh, silly me! I was not specific. I speak of another travel ban; an earlier travel ban; a ban imposed on seven nations identified by President Obama, not that they were nations at random, or because their citizens are usually Muslim, or that nations like Saudi Arabia, or Egypt were not selected even though we have had terrorists on our shores from these nations. I speak of the ban imposed for all citizens of, and travelers through certain West African nations without extreme vetting of health condition during the ebola crisis of 2104. Remeber that crisis, which had little protest from progressives?
It follows that progressive logic is interrupted logic; it does not hold in all cases, and, in fact, holds only in very few cases. In other cases, it is completely forgotten, conveniently.
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@HistoryBuff
You claim the Russia hoax does not rise to the level of Watergate. What was Watergate? At the root, "A June 1972 break-in to the Democratic National Committee headquarters led to an investigation that revealed multiple abuses of power by the Nixon administration." https://www.history.com/topics/1970s/watergate
What was the Russia hoax? At the root, "Competing memos from the Republicans and the Democrats on the House intelligence committee both say that information about George Papadopoulos, a Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, had prompted the FBI investigation in July 2016."https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/dossier-not-what-started-all-of-this/
The former was the creation of CREEP [Committee to Re-Elect the President - Nixon] to get dirt on an unpopular Democrat nominee, George McGovern. Thje President would have been impeached by a partisan House, and partisan Senate, but for Nixon's resignation. The latter was the creation of the DNC with the sitting President not up for re-election against the Republican nominee, Donald Trump that preceded both Carter Page and the Steele Dossier, but both of which were further efforts to derail the R-nominee, and, when that failed, the Mueller team investigation and the FISA Court hoaxes were the DNC's "insurance policy" as Peter Strzok, FBI, referred to it. Watergate was the attempt to take down a nominee. Russia/Mueller/Dossier/FISA was a much wider, more deeply rooted and sinister plot against a nominee who became a sitting President. A President who was impeached by a completely non-partisan House, acquitted by a partisan Senate.
Once again, history is not your friend. Need a new avatar?
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@DebateArt.com
On my iphone, the format is entirely vertical [such as the instigator-green / contender - red boxes are stacked rather than side-by-side on my imac, ipad, and probook, and the debater stats are beneath each box, respectively, then the debate resolution is next, vertically, followed by the debate status, then debate parameters, then description, then the arguments/comments/votes selection, and following are the argument rounds in vertically segmented columns, just as on my imac, ipad, and probook. But then, Apple products tend to maintain image format across product lines, with the exception of the stacking on my iphone, as noted, unlike the unhappy marriage of Windows and Android.
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@3RU7AL
No. You conclude incorrectly. Try again
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@oromagi
Did I say five voting rights were excessive? No. I said we still don't have it right. You'll note that I mentioned that the Constitution + amendments mention voting in various iterations of that concept, and that most of them are in the amendments. What I did not say is also that most in the articles refer to Congress voting on legislation, not on citizens voting for representatives, senators and presidents, let alone local and state leaders. I do not think that was an oversight. I think the Founders thought it did not need such varied definition: adult citizens vote. Period. Just like the census was designed originally as just counting citizens' noses. It was only later that we decided to differentiate ourselves by gender, race, age, and creed. What difference does it make, infrastructure-wise, really? Do we educate ourselves by our race? Do we build roads according to our age? We've legally segregated ourselves with useless results. I answered my 2010 and 2020 census with a simple message: "I am a nose. Count that."
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To use the argument "my body my choice" for abortion, sadolite's go-to comparison, does not hold water, either. That's meant literally. That is, when the water breaks, signaling birth, a DNA test of that water would reveal that neither it, nor the sac once containing it, nor the placenta, nor the umbilical, nor, in fact, and in particular, the fetus, are collectively and individually a part of the woman's body. They all share the fetus DNA, not that of the woman's body. Were it otherwise, when the woman opened her mouth, her tongue would fall out.
And all the pseudo-tech speak that masks are not a hermetic seal around the nose and mouth is like arguing that washing your hands just kills germs that are naturally on your skin, so why bother only washing your hands? Seems the black plague took root in Europe, killing far more than Covid-19 in the 14th century, for arguing that very point that hygiene was an absurd practice. This is not a hill worth the fight. Besides, the progressive leadership has changed course on you, declaring a mask mandate.
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@3RU7AL
to educate them them, along with all their children. You're really going to use education as a negative foil. Very progressive of you
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@oromagi
re: voting rights, I find it a curious thing that of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, fully 8 of them concern voting rights, and we still don't have it right. The item is spoken of 36 times, less than half in Articles I & II, and the balance in the amendments.
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Preservation of the nuclear family; the foundation of a civil society.
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The new debate summary page [specific to each debate] is terrific. Agree? Disagree?
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1. Are you satisfied with current moderation?
YES
2. Do you believe ban lengths are too short, too long, or just right?
JUST RIGHT
3. Do you believe there should be major changes to the CoC in the future?
NO
4. Do you believe the site over moderates?
NO
5. Do you believe with different policies, the site can generate more activity?
YES, not necessarily different, but more detailed, and enforced
6. Are most bans fair?
YES
7. Do you feel motivated to be part of the community?
YES
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It appears RM is having a virtual one-on-none conversation. Let him rant, but then, doesn't being banned mean one has no access to the site?
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@n8nrgmi
you are cool with the government not keeping its promise to pay benefits for folks' contributions
Nice try, but not the case. According to https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/601197/what-trumps-payroll-tax-cut-will-mean-for-you
"Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, however, says that Social Security and Medicare funding won't drop. Money will be transferred from the federal government's general fund to the Social Security and Medicare trust funds to cover any payroll tax amounts not collected, according to Mnuchin."
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@Vader
No matter. The only game I play, and that with physical board and pieces, is chess.
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@Vader
Sorry, I'm not a gamer.
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@Greyparrot
Yes. Cancel culture is just 'fundamentally change America' by new description, but it all says the same thing: monolithic. A one-track mind. That's progressivism; progress into what has already been tried for centuries, and failed.
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@oromagi
Earlier today, I made some comments about diversity in the African American and Latino communities that I want to clarify. In no way did I mean to suggest the African American community is a monolith—not by identity, not on issues, not at all.
This "apology" is no better than the original two commentaries, and is an entire 180 from the former two, because the former two described nothing but a monolith. Yes, I understand that most blacks in this country have generations of "American" in them before they reach African descent, but that's not the point. Why did he even need to make the comparison? He was describing Latino diversity. Leave it the bloody hell at that. Why even mention black diversity, or his monolithic view of it? If this were a unique set of comments on this subject, that would be one thing, but Biden is a chronic foot-in-mouth buffoon who cannot get out of his own way relative to any ethnicity. No 7-11 without an Indian accent. Really???? He's been like this for the 48 years of his public life, and y'all give him a pass because he's a good ol' boy Democrat, who has, himself, abandoned the Democrat Party for a full-on socialist. This guy can't wear a three-dollar suit without soiling it further. Sorry, I left Hair back in the 60s. Too bad Biden cannot.
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@HistoryBuff
ok, are you expecting me to be outraged that Obama didn't push for war?
As usual, history is not your friend. This discussion with Russian Pres Medvedev was not about pushing for war. In fact, it was at a nuclear arms disarmament conference in SoKo in March, 2012, during the election primary season of Oba'a's re-election. Reference understanding matters, and you just failed.
Trump inherited the booming economy Obama built
Booming? The market had barely reached the level it had during the Bush 43 admin before the crash in Oct 2008. When Trump took office, the GDP was at 1.9%. Oba'a had already declared that we should get used to 2% GDP. Not to mention that while it first appears that during Oba'a, the market [by DJIA] rose 10,000 points, it also lost 6,000 points; a net 4,000 points, total net gain. What "booming?"
Benghazi. Why do you think this issue matters?
Thank you, Hillaryous Balloon Girl. What it matters is that we lost 4 Americans; one of them an Ambassador.
The only way to stop them is through diplomacy.
Thank You, Neville Chamberlain. As I said, history is not your friend. Stop pretending it is.
more stupid shit
History is still not your friend.
1. Every president since Clinton promised to move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. Only one did. Trump
2. Meeting NoKo face-to-face has been the desire of every president since Truman. One did. Trump.
3. Since Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act [reluctantly] in 1964, no president has achieve the lowest unemployment rate of blacks, and all minorities, in fact, as Trump has.
4. Since WWII, the US has had the goal of energy independence, but no previous president has achieved it. Trump has.
5. Since Johnson started the war on poverty, no president since has reached the low percentage of poverty we had until the Covid-19 crisis. Trump did.
6. Since Kennedy's promise to put a man on the moon and return him safely to the earth, no president since has furthered the exploration of space to seriously consider landing on another planet, and certainly not Oba'a, who cancelled putting our own astronauts into space. One did. Trump. We're going to Mars, not to mention the moon, again. And we are, once again, putting our own astronauts into space. And we have created a new arm of the military, devoted to space, the new frontier.
Yeah, that;'s all some stupid shit. At least a stupid suggestion that it is.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I do. Not everybody does it. I contend everybody can, but doesn't. The mirror is their nemesis.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Be my guest. And tell me what Biden has accomplished in 48 years in government, besides being a constant buffoon with foot in mouth.
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@HistoryBuff
He almost triggered a war with Iran
Oba'a DID tell Russia: "I can be more flexible after the election." No "almost" there. Oba'a DID NOTHING as Russia invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea. No "Almost" there. Oba'a DID increase our national debt by more than every preceding President, combined. No "almost" there. Oba'a DID make the worst deal with Iran, guaranteeing they would have nukes in 10 years. No "almost" there. Oba'a DID NOTHING when our embassy in Benghazi was attacked, and had an ambassador murdered, and blamed a video. No "almost" there. Oba'a made a disastrous trade deal with Asia that rivaled NAFTA in its idiocy. No "almost" there. You can take your "almost" and shove it deep where the sun don't shine.
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@HistoryBuff
Not to mention, please provide an explanation why all those things you parrot have affected you, but not me? What's the difference between you and your pessimism, and me and my confidence? Something is at the root of it, and I'm a happy man, and you are not. You think maybe you have something to do with your lot in life, and I do, too in mine?
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@Greyparrot
Oh, I get that, alright. I know most people don't have the ambition that I do, or the confidence in the future that I have. And those who don't complain the loudest, never recognizing that while they complain about the rich, they do nothing to put themselves on that path. That's my fault, and the fault of others who do decide they, too, can be rich? It's not rocket science, but it isn't handed out on a an entitlement platter, either.
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@HistoryBuff
i do have an answer. All of the above and much, much more.
All the above are media talking points you are superb at parroting, but not a single point is documented by a source. Cite your grievances, or shut it, because it is all sound and fury. And if the "massive giveaways to the rich leading to record deficits," [what record deficits, because the only record here belongs to Oba'a?], and that was massive giveaways to the rich, too [what do your think QE was? Did you benefit from QE? No.]
the majority of the country does not want him to be president.
Do you even know who the majority of the country is? No, you don't. Look at the polls. Who do they poll? REGISTERED VOTERS. Who are reg voters. 250M people. In the last Pres election, only 51% of them bothered to vote, split between Hillaryous Balloon Girl an Trump, 60+M each. About 137M reg. voters DID NOT VOTE, and they are part of your "majority of the country." 137M people are your majority, my friend; people with no opinion. You have about 60M+ who agree with you, and about 60M+ who agree with me. Neither are the majority of Americans. Get that straight. It's actual history, buff.
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@HistoryBuff
Over the last four years, please define specifically how your legs have been cut off, because the same policies of the last four years will continue. Simply put, I am better off now than I was four yeas ago after Oba'a/Biden concluded their attempt of fundamental change of America. If you're not better off, that's entirely on you. And if you are, what's cut your legs? The mantra is you hate Trump, but you mantra finishes without any explanation whatsoever. You're not thinking if you don't have an answer. No, you media heroes don't say why, either. Care to think for yourself, for oncer?
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@HistoryBuff
"I hate both, but biden is the lesser evil"
You then said you would hate to have to say Biden is better? You just did, just as I predicted.
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