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@HistoryBuff
Who said anything about making law, but you?
So you think americans are too incompetent to manage their own healthcare
In a word, yes. particularly compared to your precious Swedes.
YAY!! but the US lags behind most of the free world.
The "free world" according to BusinessInsider, https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores all of 65 nations of it, the USA ranks 27th in healthcare; the mid point being 33 countrires of then free world behand the US, meaning most countries of the free world rank lower than the US. Facts help an argument, Loser. https://www.businessinsider.com/us-ranks-27th-for-healthcare-and-education-2018-9
frozen food, by definition is not fresh.
I repeat, as you properly quoted, and then completely misunderstood: "There are options for fresh food: like frozen." What's an option? According to the OED: "Power or liberty of choosing: opportunity or freedom of choice." In this case, a choice of another food type than fresh, i.e., frozen; best of options to retain nutrients. Who is failing to articulate?
ok, so your argument is that people who don't have the money to invest in advanced methods of food preparation and storage, or the space available to grow their own food deserve to die.
Is death the only option of a poor diet and/or unhealthy lifestyle? Who said? Only you, my friend. You are the one insisting on limitations. I'm offering choices of unfettered freedom simply by a healthy diet, exercise, and prudent lifestyle. What are you offering? Anything but free healthcare [somebody pays; you and me, bud. For everyone else. No thank you. I'll keep my options open and my choices free.
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@Melcharaz
Yes, the significance being that in both cases, the testaments are in force only due to, and upon the shedding of blood of the testators.
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@Stephen
Do I hear a fly buzzing about aimlessly?
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@zedvictor4
Sunday School....That was where you were sent
Nope. My parents came, too. I wanted to go. They did, too. Sorry you were an inconvenience, but some parents are like that. I revere my parents.
And yet, you still have not done your homework. Do your homework, then comment.
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@zedvictor4
The question is who is "we" and out of 7.6 billion, how many "we" are there and how many will there be in the future?
"We" is everyone who not only does not merely go with the flow downstream, having no purpose or direction, but who actually turn around and start swimming upstream; who actually have purpose and will justify their purpose in their achievement. How many is that? Generally, less than half the population, but whose fault is that? There is room in the river for all, so supply of option is not the issue. Ambition, planning, execution. That's what dad taught me. It works.
It's the underlying question of purpose or not and the ability to achieve a purpose.
Sure, and while you're worrying about the underlying question of purpose, I'm swimming upstream because the aforementioned ambition, planning and execution define the question of purpose, and I can start swimming upstream, getting closer to the source of the matter.
And other than a distraction for the masses, appreciating Van Gough is probably irrelevant.
Distraction? You miss the point. It's not a matter of appreciation; it's being Van Gough. Not go-with-the-flow; swim upstream.
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@HistoryBuff
NO ONE IS ADVOCATING SOCIALISM
Someone needs a primer on what socialist ideals are. You're distributing them whether you know it
They provide healthcare to their entire population.
You entirely missed my point that their population is 10M. Ours is 327M. We're the third largest population in the world. What do the first two largest do via healthcare for their citizens? They don't. God in heaven, I wonder why? MONEY, genius. They don't have it to do that, and neither do we. To do it would collapse us. According to https://www.verywellhealth.com/difference-between-universal-coverage-and-single-payer-system-1738546 "Today, 32 countries offer universal health coverage, in some form: Australia, Austria, Bahrain, Belgium, Brunei, Canada, Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Singapore, Slovenia, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Arab Emirates, and the United Kingdom." 32 coountries. You claim all but us. Sorry, bud, you're dead wrong. 195 countries in the world. 32 is but 16% of them.
" MTV Jackass stunt"
Yes, I mentioned MTV Jackass stunts, but not as one of the chronic deadly diseases that are high-percentage preventable diseases. You get hung-up on a cvtch phrase and blow the rest of the interpretation. Can't skim read and expect to capture meaning, but this is what you do. Stop it.
Straw man's
It's straw men, professor. They are multiple with no possessive.
You might have enough disposable income to eat lots of balanced meals
Haven't done much grocery shopping, have you? I do the cooking in my family, so I know what costs what. There are options for fresh food: like frozen. And I don't let leftovers rot in the fridge; I freeze dry them while they're still fresh. My freeze dryer paid for itself in 1.5 years. That's a great ROI. Yes, processed foods are cheaper, generally, than fresh foods, but freeze drying fresh foods is cheaper still, and besides, processed foods generally have three ingredients that pack calories, and resulting waistlines and generally poorer health: salt, sugar, and preservatives. They're all cheap. And you do not consider the subsidies from the government for processed foods, about $300B per year. https://drhyman.com/blog/2010/08/13/why-eating-quick-cheap-food-is-actually-more-expensive/ But you also do not consider the back-end costs of eating cheaply: more expensive health care costs because of a poor diet. And, growing your own food is cheapest of all. Don't have a vegetable garden, or fruit tress? Why not? Who told you that a min wage job was sufficient? The Democrats? The Socialists? And you believe them? That's on you. Don't have disposable income? Get it. Put your money to work for you rather than just working for it. The formula is easy, but most people just complain that they're not rich. NHot only are they not rich, they're not working smart. Get smart.
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@HistoryBuff
They squeezed it out of the labor of others.
That is the most lame, socialist argument there is. Look, Karl Marx proposed the bourgeois system of a factory owner making a product that sold for $5 each. The laborers, the proletariat, were paid $2 per product, each. That's 40%. Marx said the other $3 went into the bourgeois' pocket. So do you. That's nonsense. Who pays for the R&D, the factory facilities, the production tooling and equipment, the process design, purchasing raw materials, production error repair or replacement, marketing, warehousing, shipping, customer service, warranty repair, office labor... Not the proletariat, my friend. The bourgeois. Labor get's $2; the bourgeois is lucky to make 50 cents per product. Marx, and you, forget all of that, but the bourgeois cannot, can he? He pays the bills that come due every month. Get t?
every modern country on the planet (except the US) has some version of universal healthcare.
And that makes the world right, and we're wrong? You compare you sacrosanct Sweden, like Bernie, as the perfect system. Really? What's their population comparted to ours? 3% of ours. What's their GDP per capita compared to ours? 79% of ours. What's their education expense compared to ours? 4%. Covid-19 death rate compared to ours? What's their top tax rate compared to ours? 130%. Covid-19 death rate per million compared to ours? 150. Source: https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/sweden/usa?sc=XE34 Need I continue?
Point to a tiny percentage of healthcare costs,
According to https://assets1b.milkeninstitute.org/assets/Publication/Viewpoint/PDF/Chronic-Disease-Executive-Summary-r2.pdf of a study in 2016, the total cost of the three chronic diseases I named, heart disease, cancer, and diabetes, those three, alone account for 60.2% of the total of $3.7T chronic diseases cost us in the U.S. In what universe is 60%^ a "tiny percentage?" Not in my republic. Sorry about yours.
Are you delusional?
Yeah. Me, and the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/healthreport/publications/compendium.pdf
preventative medicine is giving people medicine to stop deseases getting worse.
Yeah. To a socialist putz. Preventive medicine is not needing medicine in the first place because you take care of your body by correct eating habits, exercise, and maintaining a prudent lifestyle. Everybody talks about it. Talk is cheap. Talk doesn't do jack-shyte. Instead of shoving anything into your pie hole, being a couch, and living carelessly. Are you deranged?
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@HistoryBuff
I do. And I agree it isn't true, yet. That is the point. Rich assholes want people to believe that poor people deserve to get sick and die while the people who profit off those poor people buy their 3rd yacht or 4th mansion.
The point is, Buff, those yachts are paid for by their money, not yours, not mine. My money isn't yours, either. Make your bloody own.
this doesn't even make sense on the face of it. But as medical technology improves we likely will develop artificial organs and this will become the case.
So, what of right now. You want the right right now. Can't have right now under my proposed condition, can you? Get it?
You acknowledge they do that anyway, so it makes absolutely no difference whether or not healthcare is a right. Thank you for disproving your own point.
You've entirely missed my point. My acknowledgment is not contrary to the point, being, specifically, that MTV Jackass stunt is on him, not on me. Let him pay for his idiocy.
You seem to be missing the point. alot of those diseases are treatable early.
No, I missed nothing. My point was, with control of what goes in the pie hole, which is entirely a personal decision, not anyone else's, 80% and 60% of those diseases don't need early treatment because they would not be contracted in the first place. It's called preventive medicine, Bucko, and that is entirely free with no imposition on anyone else's pocketbook, period. Get it? By your method, everyone still acts like a jackass consuming whatever their little heart desires, until it kills them, No! Not on my dime, thanks. I take of of me; you take care of you. We each pay for ourselves. That way, I act prudently, and I'm responsible for my healthcare. You act like a jackass, expecting everyone else to pay for your actions. Nope. That's robbing my liberty, isn't it? Sorry Buff, no sale.
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@RoderickSpode
Yes, ironic is the word for it. I happen to believe in a concept of creation/evolution as a continuation of the creative process. After the seventh day, I just don't buy the argument that God retired. He went back to work, and is still working today.
As for Stephen, it is what it is. He and I, and likely he and you, will never agree, but he'll keep poking.
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@Stephen
There were only Cain, Adam and Eve on the planet. And where did he get his wife?
Where do you think. Contrary to your attitude, God does not tell us everything when the consequences tell us well enough where a wife for Cain came from; like an unmentioned sister, cousin, etc. How many generations of children can be born in 700 years? Two or three that are not mentioned.
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@zedvictor4
@VonKlempter
Neither of you, yet, has read and studied the referenced book. Your answers have not yet begun to construct the proper meaning. Read and study the book. Two separate preliminary, and necessary actions. The first eleven chapters will do. Until then, you're merely drawing upon sunday school lessons, if that. However, it does no good to imagine we are cipher-limited machines.
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@zedvictor4
the evolution of the human species cannot keep apace with the evolution of technology.
Who says technology has, so far, even reached the pace of human evolution to keep apace with it? As I said, tech has reached the ability to manipulate two ciphers. How many more have we? At least 34 letter and number ciphers, and that, just in English. Chinese has over 50,000 such ciphers. In exponential proportion of combinations while all of tech's ciphers are absorbed in its combinations just to mimic our English 36. Tell me, what AI has, so far, done to even reach the capability of comparison of two dissimilar thoughts such as: "A rose by any other name..." or "two roads diverged in a yellow wood..." or why the natural sunlight at 17:30 in Omaha will never be like it is in Arles, and represent it by such simple means by paint on canvas by some AI version of Van Gough?
AI is nowhere near that pace.
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@Stephen
inconvenient? No, just bored by your tone. You hate the Bible. You hate God. That's your schtick. I get it. You're beating a dead horse. Do something else, yeah?
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@skittlez09
Nice couplets, but don't change horses in midstream. Meaning, your horse metaphor is carried throughout until the last line of the last couplet, when, suddenly it's birds running. But, the very stable image of birds is that they fly; they do not run. Well, of course they can, and I've seen them do this, but don't mix your metaphors in the last line. And "birds of a feather" is a trite, tired expression. Don't finish your poem on that.
Wait, let me go back. Why are you two running in fright? Is your knight that weak that he is frightened of...? From a tower? Your tower? Why? And you reach his house, "Quiet as a mouse?" Another trite, too common phrase. Do you arrive that quiet, or is it a description of the house? I don't know, but, again, it reduces the valiance of this knight of yours.
Your seventh couplet is a clever rhyme [day/neigh], perhaps the best of the whole set. It's unexpected. But followed by drifting back to a highway? What highway? Why is it mysterious? Is it now mysterious when it was once frightening? Why?
Rhyme is a difficult taskmaster. Don't rhyme because you're expected to rhyme, and then chose words only because they happen to rhyme. They must both rhyme, and hold the metaphor that is your story. Instead, I am filled with questions instead of satisfied that I have heard a unique story. Lest you think I'm not familiar with poetry, I am published and awarded [not that that is any great shake], but I also have an English Lit PhD.
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@Stephen
And the Lord said, "Do not parse my words from one verse."
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@VonKlempter
I think you intend that question to User_2006. This is his string.
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@HistoryBuff
because trying to give people healthcare and keeping companies from poisoning you is authoritarianism? You have an extremely twisted idea of what authoritarianism means.
Give people healthcare? Who says healthcare is a right? If it is a right, it is equally available to all who seek it. That is so obviously not true, it's pathetic to think it is.
Item: If ealthcare were a right, we would have warehouses stuffed with available organs for transplant.
Item: If healthcare were a right, people could act like MTV Jackasses and expect treatment. Actually, they do, anyway.
Item: If healthcare were a right, we would have far less incident of heart disease, cancer, and diabetes, because we could all stuff whatever into the pie hole with the assurance that we would not contract these diseases, or be treated for them and all survive.
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Once as a young man in France, in Provence, I attended a Catholic mass [I'm not a Catholic]. I wanted to witness the proceedings, not being familiar with the mass. It was a new experience, and I appreciated the priest's homily, but was particularly struck by the service of the Eucharist, not because it was different from my experience, but because of one man who went forward with others in the congregation. This man, I judged to be about 50, was horribly crippled. on two short canes, he crawled with uses and deformed legs. I learned later that they were injured in a farming accident. I sat far back in the chapel, on the aisle, but5 he was further back. As he crawled by me, and on done the aisle, I observed his struggle, abd watched him the whole way until he, too, could partake from the priest, who smiled with pure love into hte man's face. Then, I watched him crawl back up the aisle. He was weeping openly, but I perceived it was not due to his pain, which his body expressed we;; enough. He was weeping for the joy of, once again, committing his faith and love of Jesus for having removed his sins, for by his sacrifice, he understood the message of the atonement and a repentant heart. He brought tears to my eyes. At length, I chatted with the priest, who told me the man's story. I related to him my thinking about the man's tears. The priest told me, simply, "He loves the Lord."
That experience would have never been had by an internet service. We need one another, close at hand, to support, share love, encourage, and mourn. of necessity, we are separated, and I pray it will be brief.
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Who can explain why there is both Old and New Biblical Testaments? What is a Testament, or Covenant?
There is a book in the New Testament which explains the answers to both questions, along with the necessity of Jesus Christ in the fulfillment of both Testaments, and the purposes of the Levitical Priesthood [the lower], and the Melchisedec Priesthood [the higher], of which Jesus is the high priest, and the ultimate purpose of Jesus Christ, "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins."
Follow that last quote as a thread to find the book. Read and study it, and the answers to the above questions are offered to the studious. You need no further commentary.
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@BrotherDThomas
You have the misinterpretation that I am obligated to reply to you. You must think I think of you continually. The fact is, I don't think of you, period. My silence is not evidence of running, at all. Your a total waste of words. Ma gavte la nata
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@BrotherDThomas
Did I say I didn't accept the Bible? You seem to lack a complete understanding. Could it be you don't have the spiritual sight you think you do? I accept the Bible; I'm just completely aware that it has flaws. It is not infallible.
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@Stephen
The written word is not pronounced unless you must read it aloud to interpret it. I don't, thanks.
And that is your proof that Ragnar "is already endowed with the power of god" is it.
Who said we're discussing Ragnar being endowed with the priesthood [the power of God]? I believe Ragnar has a word or two about that, and, being a man, has the right and privilege to speak in church about it without any commentary from you, or Timothy, thanks.
Like I said: act like one; be one.
Example of your not following you own advice:
Christians are haughty peopleShould anyone be punished eternally?See above
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@Stephen
You don't even know what you're spot on. Ignroance is a beautifully useless thing, isn't it?
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@Stephen
No she isn't and you cannot prove otherwise.
Your mother is sufficient proof. Dolt.
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@Stephen
exactly what the lord god himself predicted and said he would do.
Sure. After 3,500 years of transcription, and translation errors, innocent or corrupt, what we have today is "exactly what the lord god himself predicted and said he would do."
And I have a bridge over Death Valley for sale. Old chestnuts notwithstanding.
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@Stephen
@BrotherDThomas
Once again, [Aren't you getting tired of this?] you pick a verse out of context, and explore it by your pandering. Once again, I must remind you that the process is reading and studying. You do not treat the Bible as a cafeteria.
1 Then the Lord said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh, and tell him, Thus saith the Lord God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
2 For if thou refuse to let them go, and wilt hold them still,
3 Behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thy cattle which is in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon the sheep: there shall be a very grievous murrain.
4 And the Lord shall sever between the cattle of Israel and the cattle of Egypt: and there shall nothing die of all that is the children’s of Israel.
5 And the Lord appointed a set time, saying, To morrow the Lord shall do this thing in the land.
6 And the Lord did that thing on the morrow, and all the cattle of Egypt died: but of the cattle of the children of Israel died not one.
7 And Pharaoh sent, and, behold, there was not one of the cattle of the Israelites dead. And the heart of Pharaoh was hardened, and he did not let the people go.
8 ¶ And the Lord said unto Moses and unto Aaron, Take to you handfuls of ashes of the furnace, and let Moses sprinkle it toward the heaven in the sight of Pharaoh.
9 And it shall become small dust in all the land of Egypt, and shall be a boil breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast, throughout all the land of Egypt.
10 And they took ashes of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh; and Moses sprinkled it up toward heaven; and it became a boil breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast.
11 And the magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils; for the boil was upon the magicians, and upon all the Egyptians.
12 aAnd the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had spoken unto Moses.
13 ¶ And the Lord said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
2 For if thou refuse to let them go, and wilt hold them still,
3 Behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thy cattle which is in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon the sheep: there shall be a very grievous murrain.
4 And the Lord shall sever between the cattle of Israel and the cattle of Egypt: and there shall nothing die of all that is the children’s of Israel.
5 And the Lord appointed a set time, saying, To morrow the Lord shall do this thing in the land.
6 And the Lord did that thing on the morrow, and all the cattle of Egypt died: but of the cattle of the children of Israel died not one.
7 And Pharaoh sent, and, behold, there was not one of the cattle of the Israelites dead. And the heart of Pharaoh was hardened, and he did not let the people go.
8 ¶ And the Lord said unto Moses and unto Aaron, Take to you handfuls of ashes of the furnace, and let Moses sprinkle it toward the heaven in the sight of Pharaoh.
9 And it shall become small dust in all the land of Egypt, and shall be a boil breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast, throughout all the land of Egypt.
10 And they took ashes of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh; and Moses sprinkled it up toward heaven; and it became a boil breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast.
11 And the magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils; for the boil was upon the magicians, and upon all the Egyptians.
12 aAnd the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had spoken unto Moses.
13 ¶ And the Lord said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
Is Pharaoh innocent? Nope. As he leads all Egypt in wickedness, and they follow him, they are not innocent, either.
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@HistoryBuff
Trump did none of those things? Guess what, Buff; Trump did all of them. The Trump you hate does not exist. He is your strawman.
Every president since Truman has promised to move the US Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv. Every one. Only one did it: Donald Trump. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/us/politics/trump-jerusalem-embassy-middle-east-peace.html
No Democrat or Republican President dared meet NoKo face-to-face until Trump did. That’s how diplomacy starts. https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-trump-kim-summit-20180611-story.html
No President, Roosevelt through Obama, Republican or Democrat. Passed a tax cut package the size of Trump’s. His corporate tax cut was 43%, largest in a century. That’s historic enough for me. What? You’re not a corporation? That’s on you, Buff. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tax-history/trumps-tax-cut-wont-be-the-biggest-in-u-s-history-idUSKBN1D223O
Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, under duress as a Southern Democrat facing loss of the South for his party, but my factoid was Black unemployment. NMo modern president since Roosevelt, at least, has achieved the unemployment rate reached by Trump. https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/aug/01/donald-trump-said-hes-done-more-african-americans-/
Not to mention that black poverty rate has never seen better numbers. Trump has cut Johnson’s black poverty rate by half. https://infogram.com/untitled-1hxr4znwq7m54yo?live
Carter’s Iran disaster was legendary. You suggest Oba’a made a great deal. He sure did; it ensured Iran would have nuclear weapons by 2025. Read the Deal? No? I did. It’s a disaster, caving to Iran in addition to giving them $1.3B plus $400M in cash. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/03/01/was-obamas-1-7-billion-cash-deal-with-iran-prohibited-by-u-s-law/
As for the deal itself, it took all of 3 months, from July to October, for Iran to begin violating the deal, multiple times. https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Timeline-of-Nuclear-Diplomacy-With-Iran
Clinton declared a substantive deal in 1994 with NoKo, but never met with Rocketman’s father. The deal was violated by NoKo almost immediately, which was meant to deter NoKo’s advances in achieving a nuclear missile delivery system. They have it, and have had it since 2002. https://theconversation.com/why-the-uss-1994-deal-with-north-korea-failed-and-what-trump-can-learn-from-it-80578
Oba’a economy was so recovered that he never achieved a greater quarter-to-quarter growth rate above 2.5%. He declared, himself, that 2% GDP was the new norm. https://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/11/07/obama-warns-of-new-normal-for-economy/
His economy was so recovered, he lost our AAA credit rating for the first time in history in 2011, costing us billions in new interest payments on the debt, and affected the world market downgrade. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-debt-downgrade/united-states-loses-prized-aaa-credit-rating-from-sp-idUSTRE7746VF20110807
The only effect of Obama’s increase in market value was by artificial infusion of cash from the Federal Reserve, but the market saw immediate rise, then precipitous fall, because artificial infusion cannot sustain the market, and it didn’t. People look at the rise of the market during Oba’a, but ignore its numerous falls. While overall, the market grew from 8,000 to 18,000, but, in the process, it also lost 6,000 points in his 8 years; a net gain of an ordinary 4,000 point gain. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=djia+today&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8look at the max view.
None of these highlighted presidents did anything that Roosevelt didn’t, but Trump did, as I said. I’ve cited the evidence. Cry me a river.
Every president since Truman has promised to move the US Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv. Every one. Only one did it: Donald Trump. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/us/politics/trump-jerusalem-embassy-middle-east-peace.html
No Democrat or Republican President dared meet NoKo face-to-face until Trump did. That’s how diplomacy starts. https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-trump-kim-summit-20180611-story.html
No President, Roosevelt through Obama, Republican or Democrat. Passed a tax cut package the size of Trump’s. His corporate tax cut was 43%, largest in a century. That’s historic enough for me. What? You’re not a corporation? That’s on you, Buff. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tax-history/trumps-tax-cut-wont-be-the-biggest-in-u-s-history-idUSKBN1D223O
Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, under duress as a Southern Democrat facing loss of the South for his party, but my factoid was Black unemployment. NMo modern president since Roosevelt, at least, has achieved the unemployment rate reached by Trump. https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/aug/01/donald-trump-said-hes-done-more-african-americans-/
Not to mention that black poverty rate has never seen better numbers. Trump has cut Johnson’s black poverty rate by half. https://infogram.com/untitled-1hxr4znwq7m54yo?live
Carter’s Iran disaster was legendary. You suggest Oba’a made a great deal. He sure did; it ensured Iran would have nuclear weapons by 2025. Read the Deal? No? I did. It’s a disaster, caving to Iran in addition to giving them $1.3B plus $400M in cash. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/03/01/was-obamas-1-7-billion-cash-deal-with-iran-prohibited-by-u-s-law/
As for the deal itself, it took all of 3 months, from July to October, for Iran to begin violating the deal, multiple times. https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Timeline-of-Nuclear-Diplomacy-With-Iran
Clinton declared a substantive deal in 1994 with NoKo, but never met with Rocketman’s father. The deal was violated by NoKo almost immediately, which was meant to deter NoKo’s advances in achieving a nuclear missile delivery system. They have it, and have had it since 2002. https://theconversation.com/why-the-uss-1994-deal-with-north-korea-failed-and-what-trump-can-learn-from-it-80578
Oba’a economy was so recovered that he never achieved a greater quarter-to-quarter growth rate above 2.5%. He declared, himself, that 2% GDP was the new norm. https://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/11/07/obama-warns-of-new-normal-for-economy/
His economy was so recovered, he lost our AAA credit rating for the first time in history in 2011, costing us billions in new interest payments on the debt, and affected the world market downgrade. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-debt-downgrade/united-states-loses-prized-aaa-credit-rating-from-sp-idUSTRE7746VF20110807
The only effect of Obama’s increase in market value was by artificial infusion of cash from the Federal Reserve, but the market saw immediate rise, then precipitous fall, because artificial infusion cannot sustain the market, and it didn’t. People look at the rise of the market during Oba’a, but ignore its numerous falls. While overall, the market grew from 8,000 to 18,000, but, in the process, it also lost 6,000 points in his 8 years; a net gain of an ordinary 4,000 point gain. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=djia+today&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8look at the max view.
None of these highlighted presidents did anything that Roosevelt didn’t, but Trump did, as I said. I’ve cited the evidence. Cry me a river.
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@BrotherDThomas
You really remind my of how Christ teaches.
not. Not even close. Nowhere in the ballpark. Me? run from you? Good joke; no punchline. As if any book of the Bible - I do not care which - existed in English before Tyndale in the 16th century. It's not even the best translation of the Septuagint New Testament, regardless of version. That's why a knowledge of ancient languages helps. Not that you would know, and I couldn't care less what you don't know. By your attitude toward many here, it a gargantuan lack.
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@HistoryBuff
Roosevelt could have done something for Israel, like predict a US Embassy located in Jerusalem, but he did nothing. He did not even raise alarm about the Nazi death camps.
Truman could have dealt with NoKo directly, and he could have done what Roosevelt didn’t, but he didn't.
Kennedy could have made the largest tax cut in history, and could have done what Roosevelt and Truman didn’t, but he didn't.
Johnson could have have lowered black unemployment, and he could have done what Roosevelt, Truman, and Kennedy didn’t, but he didn't.
Carter could have told Iran where to get off, and he could have done what Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, and Johnson didn’t, but he didn't.
Clinton could have made a better deal with NoKo, and he could have done what Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson , and Carter didn’t, but he didn't.
Oba'a could have recovered our economy, and he could have done what Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson , Carter, and Clinton didn’t, but he didn't.
All seven could have dealt with China, but they didn't.
The last seven Dem presidents could have done these things, but none did.
Trump did. Inside 3 years. Does he deserve 5 more, or what?
Truman could have dealt with NoKo directly, and he could have done what Roosevelt didn’t, but he didn't.
Kennedy could have made the largest tax cut in history, and could have done what Roosevelt and Truman didn’t, but he didn't.
Johnson could have have lowered black unemployment, and he could have done what Roosevelt, Truman, and Kennedy didn’t, but he didn't.
Carter could have told Iran where to get off, and he could have done what Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, and Johnson didn’t, but he didn't.
Clinton could have made a better deal with NoKo, and he could have done what Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson , and Carter didn’t, but he didn't.
Oba'a could have recovered our economy, and he could have done what Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson , Carter, and Clinton didn’t, but he didn't.
All seven could have dealt with China, but they didn't.
The last seven Dem presidents could have done these things, but none did.
Trump did. Inside 3 years. Does he deserve 5 more, or what?
Some history buff. What, your memory lasts the length of a child's ADD?
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@Stephen
@Barney
This is a fascinating subject that is to often overwhelmed by feminism when the subject really is the priesthood and its purpose. Notwithstanding the arguments as presented by Stephen that Timothy and Paul both spoke against women speaking in Church, I submit we have, once again, encountered the awful construct that the Holy Bible is unassailable, the perfect and completely reliable Word of God as written. Let us recall its history. It is the inspired work of many men and women [let us not forget the contributions of Eve, Sariah, Eshter, Ruth, Mary, and the Magdalene, and others]. However, even if each book's author's scrolls were once had, every one of them is lost to history. What have we? Copies, transliterations, translations only. Maybe not as well inspired as those who wrote their original manuscripts. Maybe some better than others. Y'all know the game of children in a circle or a line. One whispers a brief story to the next, and each repeats the story to the next until all have heard it. The last openly tells the story as he/she heard it. It is ot the same, even with a limited number of children, not centuries of generations into millennia. The story has changed and that is inevitable. Even if the children write rather than tell the story one to another, the story changes. The same game is conducted by adults, and the story changes. And we expect a book we hold in hand today, all over the world in its many languages, to be the infallible Word of God? Excuse me while I laugh. He didn't write it in the first place; He inspired it, but must deal with the inadequacies of even well meaning men, let alone those who would deceive.
So, how can we know what is, and is not true, biblically? Ask God. He knows, and will readily reveal it. But we have to ask.
So, what have we relative to women? They are just as sincere, well-intended, or corrupt as men. However, look at the representation of Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel ceiling, specifically at the center panel: the Creation of Adam. There is Adam, at arm's length from God and His outstretched right finger on His right, outstretched arm. What of God's left arm, also perfect, divine, and protective. It, said Mickey, himself, embraces Eve in her creation. So, which is the more honored by God? I declare that Eve is God's beloved daughter, and her female children, likewise. They are the ultimate creation; after God created man. Woman holds that high distinction. In the end, while men use tools [such as the priesthood] women and daughters use their hearts. And women are endowed with the power of creation more akin to that used by God, but on this side of the veil, than any man ever has or ever will hold. Therein is the beauty and majesty of woman. I revere her with all my heart. A woman does not need the tool of the priesthood. She is already endowed with the power of God. I'd start listening to her if I were you.
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@RoderickSpode
Thank you for the mention and reference. Yes, there is purpose in all that God does. And that purpose is not, as Stephen continuously proposes [without pointing to any evidence except that which clearly disputes his claim that God's purpose is the slaughter of innocents]. Here is God's purpose, as He told Moses: "This is my work, and my glory, to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man." [Pearl of Great Price, Moses 1: 39]
Eternal punishment is not the traditional view of fire and brimstone. It's a popular story, but eternal punishment is far more subtle than that, and described by Death [aka Joe Black, played by Brad Pitt] in the 1998 movie, "Meet Joe Black." It's better than I've ever heard in few words: Joe Black said that punishment "is a room with no doors." A very elegant description, denied of everything, where the real punishment is applied by its resident for the eternal lack of what might have been. We are so cruel to ourselves, I can think of no greater punishment than that. Simple regret, grown into a mind maelstrom of such proportion, the body cannot sustain the overwhelming grief, simply for ignoring that obedience to God, by thinking and acting by His plan of happiness, always was the intended plan for the glorious immortality that is promised and was revealed to Moses.
As for earthly punishment, i.e., murder, genocide and infanitcide, acts conducted by the wicked, this is adequately spelled out: Genocide is just murder intensified by quantity. Infanticide is murder of children. But murder is an act of preventing the ongoing life of "innocent" victims; innocent only in the sense that they, themselves, are not as evil as their murderers, who have no authority to take life in an attitude of superiority, because they did not give it in the first place. But no one is sinless, i.e., ultimately innocent. God's destruction of the very wicked is not murder in the sense that God is the giver of life, and therefore does not sin in its removal. Rather, it is actually an act of love towards those who are sacrificed by loss of life because in their death, they are prevented from committing the ultimate sin, which is against the Holy Ghost; denial of God when He is face-to-face; denial of the sun shining in one's face, as it were. This is because even seeing God is not a sure knowledge He exists; it is the testimony of the Holy Ghost, burning within one's breast that it is God being seen, and who should be heard. That is the ultimate sin that is unforgivable in this life and the next. Yes, those who have died by such divine intervention, though some are innocent enough to a degree as to be taken while yet in a state of relative innocence compared to the wicked, only lose their mortal lives, but not their eternal lives. Physical death is no longer a barrier; Jesus saw to that. All who die, all who have lived, are guaranteed a resurrection, as did Christ. Even those who sin against the Holy Ghost, denying the face of God, will resurrect. In that, they will ultimately have superiority over Satan and his minions, who will never be so redeemed.
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not voting for biden is effectively letting trump win
We've strayed from topic. Wherein is covid-19 in the above? While this never should have been a political football, covid-19 has become just another Democrat ploy to rid themselves of an effective President they could not beat with their best and proclaimed brightest, Hillary Clinton, a ploy they have redefined so many times since her losing that I've lost count.
Recall that Trump's candidacy was only a publicity stunt; he was never a serious candidate. He was not supposed to win a primary, the nomination, or the election, but he did all three. He was supposed to be gone in six months, one year, by midterm. He survived all three. Russia, Russia, Russia, Stormy, Avenatti, the Mueller Report, and Impeachment were supposed to rid the Democrats of Trump, but he's still here. Biden? This is the best you've got? Biden is a walking joke and you all know it. Oba'a was good for a few laughs [57 states, and all], but Biden is a stumbling disaster inviting kids to feel up his legs. Are you kidding me??? Face it, Democrats: Biden is not your best shot, but you're so desperate to get rid of Trump. That's no campaign, and it never was.
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@zedvictor4
Who are "we"?
"We hesitate in bewilderment between those who advise us to be too weak to fight and those who wish us to be too strong to fight.
"The man who clams that he was not bewildered would write himself down a fool. We are challenged, every one of us, to think our way out of the terrors amidst which we live.
"The man who clams that he was not bewildered would write himself down a fool. We are challenged, every one of us, to think our way out of the terrors amidst which we live.
"I have been told that this is a time for deeds, not words. There is no lack of deeds in the world. They happen, however, to be monstrous deeds."
- Lippmann, Walter, The Stakes of Diplomacy, Henry Holt and Company, New York, 1915
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@zedvictor4
Living, dead, I am refuting the claim of the fragility of organic structures. If your concern is strictly limited to disease, consider the power of this human organic structure to limit the incidents of our most hated diseases, heart disease, cancer, and diabetes, all in the top five of our most deadly afflictions, to limit their incident merely by deciding to control what we put into our pie hole, with no greater technology or medicine than that. According to the CDC, 80% of heart disease, and 60% of cancer and diabetes would not occur but for ignorance of the practice of just that control. Are we resilient? Yes, to a degree, and by our choice. Are we demonstrably stupid about some things? Yes, to an avoidable degree.
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I see little importance to S&G as a voting point. I'd much rather see Ragnar's suggestion from somewhere - don't remember presently where it was, but I think it was in one of his voting explanations - a vote on "Kudos," that is, creative argument above and beyond expectation; evidence of true personal endeavor to excel by creativity that also adequately argues a point. And that is certainly worth more than one point.
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@Envisage
Nope. I have too many other debaters engaged to have restricted time, and just because I allow 15k, you don't have to use it, do you? It's a max, not a min. Do you really want to debate, or not? Your dare, my proposal, your... what. Retreat? I'm ready to go, first argument already written. You?
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@BrotherDThomas
Very wrong, as usual. The meaning, my friend, is not from Latin, as you suppose [easy enough to determine at your end, but you engage supposition without appropriate research]. Typical. It is from an old northern Italian dialect, meaning "please be so kind as to remove the cork." The cork being your inflated self-important holier-than-thou attitude, but shallow about everyone but your superiorness. Your avatar is revealing enough, Bible in hand, wide open, other hand in accusatory pointing, mouth open, arguing. That's supposed to be respect for our Lord and Savior, beating everybody up by your scriptural impotence? It ani't what He did my friend. He knew it backwards and forwards. Until you learn to teach, not accuse, you will never measure up, little boy.
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@BrotherDThomas
ma gavte la nata
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@Stephen
Points you continue to make, ad nauseam. Something new?
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@Envisage
Which claim? You'll note that I made two claims:
and we will never see the end of [petroleum] as long as organic structures continue to reproduce on earth
[petroleum] is the true and original renewable energy source
I'll debate either or both. However, I'm skeptical of debating unknowns. I prefer debating people who are willing to admit themselves to others. What are you?
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Two movies of the 60s, released within months of each other and both by Columbia, are relevant: Dr. Strangelove, and Fail Safe. Both use technology as a factor in unavoidable disaster, and both were children of the cold war with USSR. And both failed to resolve with a good news hero in the end. Both presented views of our inability to control AI, as we conceive it today. And both were wrong. Both demonstrated their failure via my aforemoentioned "Chinese Room" experiment in my post #4, which demonstrates that machines are incapable of the kind of thought-action ability of the human mind. Machines are limited by 2 ciphers, 1, and 0, which do have limitability. Yes, there is an unending potential of 1, 0 pairing, but it is the limitation of lacking additional ciphers, effectively, different modes of thinking, whereas, we are no so limited.
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@Singularity
Show me any evidence that YouTube is a reliable news source. To paraphrase the hospitaler in Kingdom of Heaven: "I put no stock in YouTube. By the word YouTube I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination of media be called the will of Truth.
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@HistoryBuff
and you can watch civil liberties disappear in conservative states especially. - Danielle
again, i really see no difference at all between trump or biden on this point.
Really? Show me in what manner Trump has curtailed your constitutional civil liberties. One example will do.
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@zedvictor4
the tenuous and fragile nature of organic structures.
Fragile? May I remind you that petroleum crude is an organic structure that has existed for hundreds of millions, perhaps even billions of years, and we will never see the end of it as long as organic structures continue to reproduce on earth? It is the true and original renewable energy source. Eco-zombies, however, are an endangered species because they depend on far more dangerous windmill towers to provide them energy. The problem is, that energy is really petroleum-based, contrary to their net-zero philosophy. In fact, every green energy source is in the same boat because they all depend on petroleum, which, if net-zeroed, seizes every such turbine because no one has seen fit to invent AlGoreGooeyJuice to replace petroleum as a lubrication medium.
And you're concerned with 5G cancer? Let me know when someone is actually diagnosed by a legitimate physician, not an eco-necromancer.
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@ebuc
1} metaphysical-1 { spirit-1 } mind/intellect/concepts for ex concepts of time { occupied and conceptual }, space{ occupied, non-occupied and conceptual } Universe, God, Toyotas.....1a} absolute truth,......1b} relative truth,.......1c} false
Metaphysical, or μεταφυσικός: transcending physical matter and the laws of nature. In effect, a relationship of expanding mind beyond laws of nature.
Therefore: Universe, God, Toyotas? As if Toyotas had any relation to mind or nature. Toyotas are a fabrication of natural elements. There is no falsehood regarding Toyotas, and thereupon your construct fails. They exist neither metaphysically, but nor do they exist naturally. They are a construct of nature's manipulation. Kind of like this string.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste in a toroidal tube of metaphysical construct of ciphers in triangularly structural and systemically stable integral sets of always increasing sequences, but never decreasing sets. This means the eternal universe is only eternal in one direction? Or only three? The construct is always from a singular origin in x, y, z axes? That's not eternity, my friend. True eternity has no origin, and extends in infinite axes. Three may be metaphysical to man, but I don't see man in your triad metaphysics. Toyotas, but no men. Whereas, God, who does figure in your triad, is infinite, not a limited three. So, where, exactly, is the divine in your cipher sequences, which do not increase in frequencies of three at all.
I conclude you are conducting a one-on-none conversation, resulting in advanced theory of nonsense metaphuxes. Yes, a wasted mind.
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@Stephen
Oh yes, I am sure that these innocent illiterate daughters of mere humans freely went with these gods sons.
That is a quote from your #10. Not what I said; it's all yours. Yes, what YOU said. Get it? Innocent, illiterate daughrers? You're willing to pass out exoneration like candy. Your statement reeks of ignorance of young women of the same ilk as thousands of years ago. Take one poster child of poundmetoo. She said, of Weinstein, effectively, in trial against him, "He told me to take my clothes off, so I did. Is that what your "innocents" of yesteryear were? https://www.vulture.com/2020/01/jessica-mann-harvey-weinstein-trial-testimony.html. Some women, and men, too, are just born victims, and even work on it. You would know that by reading and study. Tell me how many times you've read the Old Testament, word for word. Even once? Or is it your cafeteria? Sorry to be patronizing
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As this affects me personally, I do have thoughts. I still own my first house located in Silicon Valley, CA, purchased in 1979 for 69,000. Due to a sudden windfall I acquired ten years later, a paid off the mortgage, then moved from the house to take a transfer to CO with the windfall company, and rented the house. I am still renting the house to the same people, who never wanted to buy it. They should have. The house is now worth $1.2M and is currently rented at $5K, clear [a little more to pay the same rental management company with which I began]. I also now own another rental, and the rental and management fee are more than sufficient to pay the mortgage. Plus I own the home I reside in, mortgage-free. Given the market of my first rental, and the home value, the rent I currently charge is equitable. I'm not interested in that changing.
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You, claiming "Christ taught of the Qumran community with his various "code" messages:"
you would know that for the best part of the New Testament Jesus often speaks in code for those with ears - and references to "the meek", "the poor" and "the peacemakers" and others are all references to the members and ranks of the Qumran community: example, "the poor" were the Celibates of the Qumran community who usually handled the funds
Those are your words. Bolded italic my emphasis of your words. Do you not know what you, yourself, wrote? Do you deny these words? Apparently, you do. Ergo: dense. I do not claim that Jesus taught at Qumran. That you interpret that I did is on you. You may interpret all you wish, but it does not change the fact that I never said it. Otherwise, show me.
The fact is among the scrolls from the Dead Sea, the essential record of the Qumran community, not once is Jesus Christ mentioned; indicative that, though some claim it, Jesus, himself, was never among them.
That is what I said in my #15.
Not to mention that Christ did not speak "for the best part of the New Testament." I take your meaning of "best part" as "most of." The New Testament is 343 pages of text. of those, the speaking by Christ endures 171 pages, only 49%. Of those 171 pages, Christ is not speaking on every page. One would know that, having read and studied the entire volume. picking out highlight verses out of context is not reading nor studying. Nor does it win any arguments. But it is code for those without ears.
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And to persistently refer to me as "dense" will not win you an argument.
Them don't be dense. That is entirely on and up to you. I'm not interested in "winning an argument." That is one more fallacy you cannot seem to escape. I'm interested in the truth, and I don't care who reveals it. Be part of that conversation. Not part of doubt of ancient languages and their understanding. Know more than your mother tongue; expand your understanding of your mother tongue. From antiquity. Longer than your lifetime and mine.
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