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@Casey_Risk
Pie does not have that much influence. Case in point - earlier in this very game when he raising suspicion against Ultra, which immediately got shot down by pretty much everyone. We are actually able to think for ourselves here. Only noobs tend to cling to Pie.
That is ironically one of the points I agree with pie on though lol
It's not merely that you are pursuing your scumreads, it's the way in which you are doing so. You feel a lot more fiery and intense about your scumreads as scum by my recollection.
Interesting you feel that way, I feel that I’ve been pretty calm and logical on the contrary.
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@Savant
The more I look back at her posts, the more opportunistic the behavior seems.
If I’m the only one scum reading you, how is that “opportunistic”?
I've been scum read as town by town players before, but usually there's at least some logic to the accusation. In banana's case, she seem to be deliberately misinterpreting posts, such as claiming that Mikal was scum reading me and then stopped
I mean him and you interactions literally did stop out of the blue. That’s fact. Not a misrepresentation.
criticizing that I null read inactives and then further scum reading me when I mentioned inactives in response to that point.
I think you only focusing on inactive sup until you OMGUS me is a bit convenient. Like I said to pie. Do you seriously think every scum member is in the inactive pile? You don’t think one active person or veteran player would be scum here? Isn’t that kind of convenient? It’s not impossible I just find it wierd that you and now pie don’t seem to want to focus on active players when others are.
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@ILikePie5
Oh look at that. savant magically scum reads me now. You going to call that omgus pie or does savant get a pass for that when you accused me of omgus for a much lighter scum tell on you?
Don’t be a hypocrite now.
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@Casey_Risk
It’s a peer pressure thing, and the fact that you’re taking his side shows that him pinging you had the intended effect. It’s whatever. If you scum read me you scum read me I’m not going to fight it because it will just make you scum read me worse since apparently there is this narrative that I only pursue scum reads as scum. Which is ridiculous but if that’s what you all think than I will have to just keep being more active in games to show that’s not the case.
Anyways what do you want? Character claim? Role claim? I know how this ends if I don’t comply and I don’t wanna waste time arguing this nonsense and I’d like to go back to focusing on savant so let me know.
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@Mikal
The voting early and killing yourself makes no sense. He would have the vote not count and if anything would go as far to make it scum sided to show affiliation and role confirmation don’t coordinate. I may be barking up the wrong tree but I do not buy the mod kill portion
Well it seems there is actually a role that functions the way he described it working, so at the very least, this addresses your concern that the mod made this "weird" role up for some reason.
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@Mikal
Idk I don't think wylted's behavior really matches his scum game with us. He also expressed willingness to kill himself, I don't see wylted being okay with just killing himself that easily if he was scum. His behavior feels townie to me, in addition to the idea I just don't see him trying that claim as scum from what little I know of wylted.
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@WyIted
People have a tendency to explain to scum why they are scum which is stupid. If you think a person is scum, give your reason to others. The only time anyone mentions their premises directly to their scum read is to afford the person the opportunity to address any mistakes in their own logic or to be performative to help the rest of town decide on the lynch.You have a chip on your shoulder about being female for some reason. Trust me nobody gives a shit and nobody would know if you didn't tell them. They all still think Casey is male for example despite her clarifying she isn't so it just doesn't register what your gender is.You might be picking up on hostility here because men are more direct in real life and if you are attractive in real life you are probably treated extremely well and so you just aren't used to the types of personas males normally display to each other.
I think it's interesting that he is trying to spin me as being over emotional because I used that word, though I do think there is something to a man who loves to explain down to a woman, and I do think pie often fits that persona, I don't overly care too much. I don't feel that way about all or most players, and I think it has something to do with pie's background and where he is from. I've noticed it from him in a lot of games and interactions. I don't usually mention it because I learned people will just focus on the "she's a crazy feminist blah blah" and I really just don't want to go down that rabbit hole most of the time, but you can tell with certain personality types and pie is definitely the "man-splainer". I don't really feel that way about almost any other players here too. I kind of regret mentioning it at all because now he's going to be a manipulative douche with it and try to get me lynched because of it by taking advantage of how other people view woman who say that word. I don't think I use it too casually though and I just couldn't help it in this scenario because it's just extremely funny that he wants to sit me down like a child and explain to me how I am scum when I know I am not lol. That said I don't even dislike pie or anything, he seems like a good person in general, I think his background and experience in dealing with woman causes to act the way he does, and I don't hold it against him. It's like being mad at someone for the middle east for having negative views on woman subserviance. It's how they are raised, and it's to be expected, but its just a cultural difference.
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I remember wylted saying he felt super confident in being able to sell his fake claim. Wylted seems like a confident guy in general, and I think he would think he could sell almost any claim he wanted to. Which makes a very safe sounding claim like his actor claim seem less likely to come from him if scum.
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@ILikePie5
@Mikal
Are you okay with having Wylted use his vote to test thisIf you think he’s lying, why not just lynch him?
I kind of agree with this, doesn't make sense to have him kill himself if you thought he was scum. I also disagree that making him kill himself just to "test" his role really is smart idea in general. And I just don't see a lot of reason he would come up with a role like that. Wylteds claims are pretty bad I thought, remembering what he did in game show mafia. This one feels very different from that claim.
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@ILikePie5
How is it “manipulative” to link the thread as evidence for everyone to read, so they in fact don’t have to just bandwagon me?
Because why would you assume they wouldn't just read the thread and form their own conclusions? You tagging people like that feels like you are trying to use your "popularity" and reputation to entice people to take your side. You don't see me tagging everyone and their dog trying to sell my points. I assume they are grown adults who can read themselves. That's why it feels manipulative, almost like you are trying to capitalize on hoping they are lazy enough to bandwagon you here.
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@ILikePie5
The reason why I scumread you even more is because you brought up the whole misogyny angle. Like I’m just doing this because you have XX chromosomes. It’s basically the exact same thing that happened in the game I caught you as scum.
I do genuinely believe there was misogyny involved in that. That and you were using the fact that I was new against me. Either way that lynch was pretty manipulative. I think you happened to be right that I was scum there, but not for any actual real reasons. That said, all I mentioned is that you mansplaining to me why I am scum when I am town is kind of hilarious. Because I know I am town, so you trying to tell me otherwise is a bit ridiculous. Put yourself in my shoes and I think you would see what I mean.
This is just a blatant strawman. I never said I scum read you for pushing people to soft claim.]
I didn't say you specifically. But it's been discussed in this phase to by people that I only pursue soft claims as scum, and I pointed out that it's silly that savant gets towncred over it is all.
So what are you implying?
That the thing you are town telling him for isn't a town tell in this game specifically. It doesn't have to be a scum tell either, but at most it's neither.
Earth, Vader, Ultra are all in my POE atm, so I agree with you there. I townread Mikal as well, and I’ve already explained why. It feels like you’re trying to break up the town block that I’m forming. Mikal isn’t scum. That means Savant isn’t. Oh wait that means Pie isn’t, so who’s scum?
Tell me you don't think that town block is a little too convenient though? Like do you honestly think mafia don't have one active member, or member who you consider a veteran on it? It's not that I am trying to break up anyone's town block, but we need to think outside the box here. It would be extremely convenient if all the scum members were just inactives, or barely posting. I guess it's theoretically possible, but I am not going to ignore the behavior of the people who have been active as well, because that feels very narrow-minded.
Why doesn’t this just give him an excuse to hammer townies?
It could be, but you have to admit this makes it generally harder for him to accomplish lynches, no matter how you spin this. And wylted seems like the type that is usually pretty eager to get the day phase moving when he has his mind made up. You can see that in the bacteria game where he was pushing mharman. Claiming a role like this would be out of character for him. If he is scum, I would actually say that was a clever play by him because it contrasts how he usually plays.
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@Mikal
Yeah it’s hard for me to tell. In our game you enjoyed some of the arguing or sparring but that could be true for town you or scum you. But I think this is town because it came off as if you are offended you are being scum read vs just attacking to attack
Well yeah, arguing with you wasn't serious since we were on the same team, so it was kind of fun.
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@Mikal
Town reading Anna more granted its very hard to tell. But feel like omgus from Her is prob a town tell
I really don't think my read was omgus. I mean I explained why I switched my read on him. He randomly came to savants defense, after you had already pointed out that it was weird that savant came to his defense earlier when you reaction tested pie. I didn't even vote him, he accused me of town reading him and I listed multiple people including himself that weren't town reads for me, that happens to include him as well now.
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Pie is being pretty manipulative in post 237. Here's hoping people actually read the interaction instead of just bandwagon him though. He's over blowing it out of proportion.
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@ILikePie5
How so?
He's limited himself to only being able to hammer. Which means he cannot take advantage of mislynches as easily. I do not see scum being willing to do that so readily.
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@ILikePie5
This honestly makes me scum read you even more. It’s identical to your scum play in the first game you were scum with Whiteflame. Your aggression is what makes you scum. The instant placement of the vote.
I have been aggressive in other games as well, with cerulean when he was scum, with mharman when he was scum, etc. I am more aggressive in games when I am active. If I am not caught up, obviously I am not going to be aggressive because I don't know what's going on, and this is usually the case in the games I am playing. It's not that I am passive, its that I am not aware of whats going on most of the time. When I am, I pursue reads just like everyone else.
I think his soft claim method was the perfect balance between too broad and too narrow. The theme analysis is also towny from him. He’s also not afraid to pursue hard to lynch targets like Mikal for example. The reaction test tell argument he put screamed town to me as well.
I don't know why when he pushes people for soft claims it's townie, but when I do it, it's considered scummy lol. Also town wasn't informed of the theme in this game. Knowledge of the theme is actually kind of suspicious in my opinion. Especially since his theory appears to me correct for almost everyone so far.
Okay so you’re basically OMGUSing meVTL Banana
I mentioned multiple people including mikal, earth, vader and ultra that I didn't town read yet as well, and somehow you latched on to me pointing one thing out about you as "OMGUS". This comes off as VERY defensive lol.
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If Wylted is scum, he's made the game extremely hard for himself with that claim. Which also kind of leads me to think its a truth claim
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@Mikal
Did the verbiage say he would be mod killed ?
"I am the actor and I cannot vote unless it is to hammer. If I vote without hammering or intending to hammer than I can be mod killed it's written in a way where if I intend to hammer but fuck up I won't be mod killed but if the intent is lacking I am mod killed for placing a non hammer vote. "
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@Earth
@Ultracrepidarian
I'd like hear more from both of you as well :)
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@Vader
Did you catch up yet? Interested in hearing your thoughts.
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@ILikePie5
No, it’s not. The way you did it scummy imo
Kay, mansplain to me how I am scum when I am town. Lol I press one read "instantly scummy".
I don’t buy it. I townread them both atm
Okay put your money where your mouth is, and tell me why in detail savant is town?
Do you town read everyone besides Savant?
Nope, I have no real read on earth, and vader didn't really say much despite being pinged for activity. I am not discounting either as scum but I think it would be pretty convenient if both the inactives happened to be scum. I am considering mikal as a scum partner for that faked looking back and forth with savant, I am probably re-consindering my town read on you, since you are hard defending savant now for seemingly no reason, and he already did the same to you early on when mikal reaction tested you. I agree with people about wylteds claim, it seems pretty realistic, and kind of doesn't seem like a good fake claim, its more likely its just real. Casey is town based on her hint and what I think she is. Ultra is an option as well.
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@Savant
It's not scummy if you actually suspect me, but I'm having a hard time following what part of my posts you thought was so scummy. Not having a lot of confidence in my reads, I guess? Like I said, there's plenty of day phase left and my early reads haven't been super accurate. I'd bet a pretty penny there's at least one scum among the inactives, but none of them has posted enough to stand out.
Well even this post itself, it's redirecting your attention to inactives who is really just vader. I guess there is a chance it could be him and while we should definitely hear from him, I think its a bit of the "easy route" when its clear you have other reads. You seem to back off of them the second you get any pressure back, and let's be honest, it's much easier to target someone who is inactive. I know because I am usually the inactive one and have get forced to claim a lot as town when I am. So part of me doesn't really buy that you actually think there is a scum in the inactives, but that it's the path of least resistance. When you were coming off more aggressive earlier, now it appears your trying to shrink back a little bit and let the attention fall off of you. That's just the vibe I am getting, I could be wrong, but if I am being honest your the only one that hasn't really stood out to me as town where others have. I am starting to feel similarly about mikal though, and if you are scum I wonder if he is your partner. The more I think about your interaction with him the more it looks faked, as if neither of you were really planning on "pressuring" the other, but looking as if you were.
I'll think on it though.
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If its scummy to pursue our scum reads how do we expect to accomplish anything?
Like I am good with waiting for vader to come on, I don't see what ultra would really say more than what he already did, and savant is active and here. Idk. I am starting to wonder if mikal and savant were bussing, like what he did with me as scum. Because he seemed to back off it real quick the second I joined in pressuring savant.
Interesting.
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@Savant
We're six pages in. Only half the players have meaningfully contributed so far. I'm not going to pull a read out of thin air until I've seen a decent amount of activity from someone.
I’ve formed opinions and I’ve interacted with people half as much as you. It just comes off as if your calculating people you should scum read and putting the in a more negotiable position out of convenience .
I still scum read Mikal but if he's town I don't want to tunnel him all day phase.
You’ve only had a couple back and forth with him that is hardly tunneling. How do you expect to pursue your reads or accomplish anything without pressuring them?
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Oh earth. Yeah not much of an opinion on him, he town reads me which is about most of what he’s said. Null for now
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I don’t like savants behavior. For one I agree that it was wierd that he defended pie like that. For two his reads are oddly undecisive despite having a heavy opinion about a lot of people , there’s way too many “null” reads like he’s putting them there purposefully despite having an opinion. And his vibe towards Mikal is wierd I wouldn’t expect him to tunnel him hard than back off when Mikal gave him the basest resistance.
Vtl savant.
As for other reads I think Mikal seems townie so far, he is trying to push the game forward and I like the reaction tests. Pie feels normal pie town leading and forming blocks. Casey is town and I think I know her character if the theme is what I think it is. Wylteds claim seems legit.
Ultra I’m unsure of and I also don’t like his initial start into the day phase just like pie. I’d also like to see more from Vader. I think I’m missing one.
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Who is adaptable and why is he posting if he’s not in the game?
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Hi, I think there is something to the autism theory, I researched my character and it seems he falls into it as well even though it isn’t an official diagnosis for him people believe he was. Nothing about animal rights though as far as I know. My pm mentions nothing about it though
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@Casey_Risk
Alright, if it's going to be that big of a deal, then I'll give the first letter of my last name. M.
I didn’t think it was a big deal as long as we had something but that works for me
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@Casey_Risk
could you do the first letter of your last name? If not what would you be willing to soft claim?
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Name starts with:
1. Savant- "A"
2. Casey
3. Earth
4. iLikePie5
5. Mikal
6. Ultra- "C"
7. Wylted
8. Banana -"C"
9. Vader
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@Savant
@Ultracrepidarian
What are the first letters in your characters names?
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@Savant
They didn't when I was mislynched for them.
I did mislynch you recently in whiteflames game but to be fair I had a CC on mharman and your role would have confirmed him, I don't think I lynched you for any of the reason you listed.
First letter of first name is a possibility. Not sure if that's too narrow.
Im fine with that. I'll start. Mine starts with a "C".
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@Ultracrepidarian
Perhaps why they're famous?
hmm... Not sure about that one. It would quite literally give my character way. I can actually see that being the case for a lot of characters.
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@Savant
Yes, I'm probably going to behave differently than I did in previous games.Yes, my reads will probably change quicklyYes, I will move to voting a null read if I think I can't get my top scum read lynched
These all seem reasonable.
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Hello everyone. Any ideas on how we should pursue soft claims in this game given we don't know the theme? Male or female? Alive or dead? I am open to anything.
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Okay so maybe we pulled the trigger a little too fast on wylted. PIe had made a convincing case though, so I figured it wylted was probably going to be scum. Sorry wylted...
Earth was a weird night kill choice.
That said obviously we shouldn't quick vote today. And I think everyone else needs to full claim if they haven't, basically lunatic and mikal. Lunatic says he can confirm mikal, but we need to know how. Pie is silenced so obviously he cannot claim, and I am guessing that means he is probably town, because mafia wouldn't silence themselves.
Mharman is confirmed.
The last two scum are probably lunatic and mikal, but I am willing to hear their claims and we can take this one a little slower than last day phase.
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Well it looks like Wylted scum slipped. He was also pressuring mharman all last day phase so it’s pretty obvious at this point he is scum. I think his partner is probably lunatic based on POE.
Vtl Wylted
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Looks like savant is the lynch as time is expiring. If he can confirm mharman then it looks like a net positive.
vtl savant
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I'll try to be around before the day phase ends, but I too am going to sleep. Good night.
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@ILikePie5
Go ahead and say your role. Also make sure your paraphrase your justification.
Okay. I am Bascillus a group of micro-ogranisms found in the dirt. Due to my history with brutal pathogens like Bascillus anthracis (Anthrax), I am one of the toughest spores on the planet and am hard to isolate, and can even survive boiling water, therefor I am the 1x bulletproof. I can survive any killing actions that target me.
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@ILikePie5
Do you want me to full claim?
I guess it could be a situation like in caseys russian mafia where me and earth were both called the first tsars, so idk.
Unvote for now.
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@ILikePie5
Can you confirm you are not Lactobacillus
I am semi counter claiming that. I don't know if it counts as a full counter claim, but I am "Bacillus"....
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Wait! Where did mharman character claim? I see his claim on lists but I don't see the claim itself.
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@Casey_Risk
Banana, for right now, do you have a protective role? Yes or no.
How did you find out? What!
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Hi, I am here. There are sooooooooo many posts. I will try and read them eventually, but can someone give me a short catch up post with the major details in it for now?
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