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Does it seem strange that the two have like no interaction with each other despite being focal points of the conversation?
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My top two scum reads are between Luna and cerulean. Luna lied about being vanilla and I don’t understand why. And ceruleans role just feels really wierd. I also don’t like Luna trying to use the Whiteflame wagon against everyone, it’s almost as if he knew the wagon would be guilty which means he is scum with supa looking for bus town cred. But that’s my top two scum reads right now. Also not to mention ultra saying Luna should have got a message and Luna denying getting one. I’d rather lynch him but I can get behind cerulean too.
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@JoeBob
Ok I’m fully caught up now
Whats your thoughts?
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@Mikal
I would not have said that unless you were pressed lol.
Wylted had voted for me, pie demanded a claim, and you had put me on your POE list, all three of you are people I consider town, so I thought I was being pressed.
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VTL ultra. He was also on the whiteflame wagon but he had provided less reason for his vote than I did. Somehow everyone seems to be giving him a free pass for it, and not me, which isn't fair.
I want to know why he was on that wagon.
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I don't feel its wise for me to role claim at this time. I will character claim since a few people are suspecting me, and I don't want to hold the game up. I am the Ironskin potion.
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I stand by my decision to vote whiteflame last day phase. I had no way of knowing vader was scum, and like I told luna, the reason for voting whiteflame wasn't deep or out of some principal. I townread casey and mikal and both of them were on the whiteflame wagon, plus the day phase was ending and I knew I wouldn't be around at the end of the day phase to vote, so out of all the options available vaders wagon seemed scummier. Lunatic pushing it so hard almost made it seem like it was going to be a guaranteed town lynch that he could just make an excuse for the next day phase and say something like "well I thought he was scummy blah blah" and I didn't feel good about it. He happened to be right about vader but I think it was more luck than actual logic.
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@Lunatic
This is an extremely scummy vote. And you are not caught up, and just willing to vote for whiteflame based on his role? Weren't you just claiming you were mad that no one was taking your seriously in the last game based on your "aggressiveness" but your willing to just vote for whiteflame because of his claim without any behavioral analysis or effort otherwise? This is super shady of you banana.
This is pretty different from that situation. First of all, I am not voting whiteflame out some sort of principal or anything deep. I am voting whiteflame because the day phase is almost expired and he doesn't have a role that helps town. Chances are already high that he is fake claiming, but in the chance he isn't, we aren't losing a pivotal town role. Plus he himself said he was only holding off on claiming his role because he thought he could bait a night kill. Well now that he's claimed that option is off the table, and he can only be a liability to the town if he's showing up on reports and using his role as an excuse every time.
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I tried catching up, and got dis-interested, so just ended up reading the last few pages. I am okay with lynching whiteflame, his role doesn't seem like it is helpful to town. I trust mikal and casey on this one and I agree that vader seems kind of townie.
Whiteflame is the lynch today.
VTL whiteflame.
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This game is moving a bit fast for me but I can see I am being asked to vote. I’ll try to catch up later on, but I hope this pace doesn’t continue because this is just slightly too fast for me right now.
Vtl Mikal
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Reads, these will be quick early reads, I don't have tons of opinions right now.
1. Lunatic- Lean scum based on his reactions
2. Mikal/Castin- Town confirmed
3. Ultra- Null
4. Whiteflame- Null
5. Pie- Null
6. Resurget- Lean town based on his play so far, he seems to be asking the right questions and not joining oppertunistic lynch against lunatic despite voicing his opinion against him
7. Casey- Lean townTurned on lunatic after he town read her, probably makes her more likely town as I think scum would enjoy and town cred they could get
8. Savant- I kind of scum read him based on low effort, but I also kind of buy his excuses too and know hes been busy on the other site. If lunatic is scum, hes probably town, I dont see scum buddying their teamate like that,
9. Vader- town lean If lunatic is scum hes probably town, as he seems to be lunas intended mislynch, unless its a bus, which could be the case, but for now I dont think its a bus
10. Irontoaster- Town, based on his claim accuracy and earliness of it, plus un cc'ed cop
11. Joebob- null
12. Wylted- Null
14. Cerulean - Null
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@Savant
Probably someone on Luna's train. Just too big an opportunity for scum to pass up if Luna is town, plus I rarely see a genuine train emerge this quickly.
Scum would probably be quick to throw him under the bus though too for town cred I think.
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@Savant
Interesting that you come in and defend lunatic when Mikal also had you in his POE with lunatic. I was actually agreeing with mikal about you posting less than normal this go around. Okay so you think luna is town, but who are your scum reads? Also why the difference in interest and activity this time around?
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I will participate more tomorrow, sorry for not noticing the game was, been a busy few days for me.
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@Mikal
Item - and category.
Okay Item, and I am a consumable item.
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@irontoaster
Hello. I am the item called the ‘pressure plate’ and i have a JOAT style role where only one of the abilities make sense thematically. I have a 3x cop ability, a 1x poisoner ability and a 1x bomb ability. I will lead you to victory town, so long as you don’t let scum lead you down the garden path.
From doing research on this claim, I think this claim either has to be true or was a fake claim provided by the mod, because according to the wiki different plates can be triggered by the player, and some can only be triggered by either projectiles, or npc's, etc. Either that or this player just has extensive knowledge of the theme and game, but for now I can see this as a town role. As to whether it was a ultimately a smart move to out the part about being a cop or not, I do not know, but I can see the reasoning.
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@Casey_Risk
For me, the hard pushing from you was more reminiscent of your scum games than your town games, but now, I think that might just be because you were generally more active and involved in your scum games. That might be the real scumtell. In any case, by the end of DP1, I was convinced you were town.
I knew I would be confirmed by day phase 2, I was really just hoping I wouldn't have been forced to role claim to get said confirmation is all. I was on the brink of claiming day phase one just to get people to take me seriously lol. Btw I totally picked up that you were Elon Musk as soon as we figured out the theme, I knew there was no way you were scum.
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@Vader
As for you being aggressive, I literally town read you for being aggressive. I literally was one of like 2 people agreeing with you being town, so I’m questioning what you were seeing
No you are right, sorry, I think I got you mixed up with earth or ultra. I think at least two other people had mentioned it was scummy though.
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Wow.
Okay I have to ask: Is this going to be a recurring thing where I am pushing my scum reads and get called "Over aggressive and therefor scummy" because if it is, I don't think I want to play much more. A big part of the reason I backed off of savant day phase one was because everyone was scum reading me for being aggressive, and didn't stop until I unvoted savant. Magically as soon as I unvoted savant and stopped being as active, every one town reads me... I don't blame pie and savant obviously, they were scum so it makes sense they would push this narrative, but a lot of other people were buying that logic as well, including casey and vader in day phase one. I don't want to have to be submissive all the time to play this game, and sometimes I find myself purposely trying to fade in the background as town because when I don't it doesn't go well for me. Other times its actually just inactivity on my part but still. I want to be able to pursue a scum read without being instantly told I am being scummy for it.
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@Casey_Risk
- If Ultra should flip town, who does that most implicate?
I’m not sure, I mean I guess you, but I don’t buy it. I don’t see why you would lie about it.
What do you make of my bulletproof vest going to Savant? What do you think the scum team did and why?
If savant is telling the truth I suppose it would have to be a redirector. I’m a little concerned about all the investigation roles though, what do you think of my role + innocent child + vaders role + savants role all being town?
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So we have a watcher, an amnesiac cop, an innocent child, and whatever role Vader is? Doesn’t this seem like a lot of investigative power on the town side? One of these has to be a fake claim….
I’m fine with lynching ultra today on the guilty but I think his partner is one of the investigators not including myself obviously.
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I’ll be busy til this evening, until then it’s waiting for ultra anyway though
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What does bus driven mean? I know of redirector, what’s the difference?
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@WyIted
It was me. I am Charles Darwin the 1x amnesiac cop. Justification is that my theory on evolution was accepted by scientists but not religious people, so basically I can publish my findings but they can only be interpreted as true based on who I send them to, basically I can send results to scum who can lie about what result they got and I wouldn’t know.
I trust Casey though is being honest. She is my top town read and I guessed she was Elon musk.
I was debating also checking pie or savant but ultra is pretty inactive so I decided on him since a few people were town reading him and he was one I didn’t feel right about.
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I’m not going to be around for the day phase to end so I’ll vtl earth for now. Not my most confident lynch but we are running out of time.
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@Casey_Risk
Earth's claim is odd. Not sure how to feel about it. I want to ask everyone a question. Assuming it's a fakeclaim, do you think he came up with it himself? If not, who do you think his partner most likely would be?
The logic behind it makes sense and fact checks with the Harvey Weinstein thing, but…. There was like tons of actresses who had allegations against Weinstein so I don’t know why Daryl Hannah would be special. The role is unique though and is something I haven’t seen before. If you look at Daryl Hannah’s wiki though the thing that gets me is that the Weinstein thing is such a small blip in it, there’s so much more about her acting career and accomplishments, I just don’t see why the mod would create a whole role around the Harvey Weinstein interaction when there is so many other things he could focus on.
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@ILikePie5
List the top 2 people you would hammer right now if you could. We have less than 24 hours to figure out what we’re going to do
Hmm it would depend on your claim but right now actually you (omgus omgus!) whatever…
And the other… hmmm… I guess maybe earth? I’m debating if his role claim is legit or not.
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Things feel like they are slowing down a bit. I still would like to hear more from ultra and earth.
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Things feel like they are slowing down a bit. I still would like to hear more from ultra and earth.
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@Casey_Risk
Right now, this is one of those games where no one feels obviously scummy to me and I can see at least some reason to townread every player, even Earth. He's been a bit sharper and more focused than I've seen him recently, and I like the way he's been engaging in this game. My strongest townreads, however, are Ultra, Wylted, and Savant. The ones who are giving me the weakest reasons to townread them rn are Pie, Earth, and Vader. Mikal is a very mixed bag and I just don't know what to think of him. I'm willing to give Vader a chance for now and see what happens come DP2. If we're going to push someone else for a claim, those two would be my choices. I'm actually leaning towards Pie, and it's largely because of remembering the other reason I was suspicious of him but didn't bring up and briefly forgot about: when we were first openly discussing the theme split, he was leaning towards animal rights, not autism. That might genuinely be nothing, but it might have also been him trying to lead us astray. I think that's worth discussing.
I'd be willing to help pressure pie, because ultimately hes still in my null pile. I didn't want to focus on him immediately to prevent bias from out recent argument, but I don't think he really deserves a free pass either just for being a loud voice.
As far as the animal rights viewpoint, I might be a little suspicious if his character doesn't mention anything about animal rights, whereas it seemed clear that it was a factor for wylteds and mikals character based on things they said, so you could be right about it being a mislead.
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@Casey_Risk
When did you start townreading me?
When Savant speculated the theme and we realized all our characters were related to autism, I remembered your hesitance to claim your first letter, and just kind of pieced together what the last name first letter meant, and it dawned on me. Plus a couple other hints you dropped about your character makes it feel a bit obvious. That character seems very likely to be in the game from what little I know of the subject and what we've seen in other claims so far, and I suspect it's more likely town than not based on your resistance to giving too much info about it.
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@Earth
@Ultracrepidarian
Wanted to ping you guys as well. Not gonna bother pinging pie since hes being obstinate and won't budge off of voting me.
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@Vader
@Mikal
@Savant
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
I know we still have over half a day left. I am willing to unvote savant for now since that lynch doesn't seem to have much weight behind it, and I would like to move forward as a team and come to some kind conclusion. Plus with savant saying his character also wasn't diagnosed, I can give him some credit for that, because if he was scum he could have just used that argument against me.
Frankly my strongest town reads are casey and Wylted, I don't have mikal townlocked, but I'd also be unwilling to lynch him. I doubt anyone would ever lynch pie, so who would you guys be willing to lynch today? We need to find some common ground somewhere. I don't know where I stand on vaders claim, all I know is that he is claiming he is confirmable so it's probably not the best lynch for us atm. Earth, I don't have any strict problems with your behavior, but you are in the POE and I don't have any solid reason to remove you from it at the moment. Same with ultra. If I had to pick a day phase one lynch it would have to be within those two. For the record I do think there is at least one mafia player in the active players as well, I have been saying that most of the day but I don't think dp1 is the day we will find out who that is.
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@ILikePie5
Alright pie, I know what you are doing and I am not playing your game, because it's blatantly pretty manipulative. First of all you didn't say anything new, you just repeated the same non sense you've been spewing this whole time, not to mention the fact that you keep mis-using the strawman term, and actually ironically using many strawmans yourself. But here's what your hoping to accomplish: You want me to continue this silly back and forth with you so you can propel the argument that I am being "overly defensive" which really never has been the case. I said you "mansplained" one time and I hurt your ego SO bad that your going to head hunt me for the rest of the game over it. I guess you are feeling kind of insecure about it which tells a lot honestly. If this behavior was coming from almost any other player I would scum read it honestly, but because I think you would do this as town, it's honestly null to me. Your defense of savant was really the thing that had bothered me earlier.
Anyways I am not going to engage in bad faith arguments with you because of injured pride, I would really like to move on from this and figure out a good lynch target for the day, so if you want to continue pursuing me I am mostly going to ignore you. If one of my town reads like wylted or casey want me to claim more than I have, I am fine with that. I have never had a problem claiming early, but I do think it's unfair that I almost have to in every game now or I get scum read for not doing it. I think its silly that any change in behavior gets me scum read, when my behavior changes based on how active I can be. I happen to have more time to engage in this game and it's being used against me. There's been times where I even just give in and blindly do whatever you tell me to do because I don't have the time and energy to do exactly what you are doing with me now most of the time, which is why I am subservient in other games. I think that was a mistake and it's bolstered your male power trip a bit, and I will probably refrain from giving you that power in the future over me. I want to grow as a player and I won't do that by being a blind puppy following your orders.
So again I am moving on from this argument, pursue it if you wish, I will just ignore you because I think you enjoy this type of thing a little too much and its a little disturbing.
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Anyways I’ll be busy for a bit, but I’ll be on later after work.
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@Savant
You bussed each other at MYLO, not the entire game. I'm also not scum reading you as a team, I just individually think each of you has >rand probability of being scum.
We did though, he started scum reading me for trying to get town cred with my post asking for soft claims and we went back and forth about it the entire game, he was always my number one lynch target in every read list I posted and vice versa.
Anyways this game is also about trying to identify teams if we are you two biggest scum reads you should be as a townie considering that we are a team if not you need to reevaluate your reads with that in mind. For example I wouldn’t pair pie with ultra even though I have separate reason to scum read either of them, I could piece together that it would have to be one or the other.
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@Savant
So your top two scum reads are me and Mikal who were just scum together in a recent game and bussed each other the entire game, and now you think we are a scum team just doing the exact opposite? Lol
Try telling me these reads aren’t fabricated, it’s too funny.
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@Casey_Risk
I would like your character claim, personally.
Charles Darwin.
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@Savant
Mikal said he town read you for accusing everyone who scum read you. Yes, I misused the word literally.
The only read I changed was on pie, because he has come to your rescue after you came to his earlier. But what you said actually applies more closely to you. I scum read you, you scum read me back. Mikal scum reads you, you scum read him back. Notice the pattern here?
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@Savant
when banana accused literally everyone
“Accused everyone” what is this nonsense you are spewing?
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@Casey_Risk
I still think she leans scum overall.
Also you don’t answer my question. I’m just assuming your scum read isn’t going to change no matter what I say, and arguing my innocence isn’t doing me any good with you since you just repeated this. So what do you want so we can move on from this? Claim? Are you willing to consider savant at all based on anything I said? Or what’s your independent read on him?
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