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Some gut town leans so far: Mharman, pie, savant, their plays so far resemble plays of their most recent town game in game show.
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I am probably too late for this one, but someone let me know if I am needed for the next one, sometimes I forget to check the site.
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@ILikePie5
GGs and congrats on your first win!
Thanks pie, you saw right through me lol
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Wow my first mafia win! I know I got carried, but I am still happy. Good job to everyone, especially good job to mikal. I was actually having fun doing the fake fights with you. Good job to everyone, fun game. Mharman, you almost had it! So close haha.
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@Savant
I'm sure I don't have to explain why "You're lying!" sounds insincere. It's just not how people naturally talk or write.
Speak for yourself Ig. scum.
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@Savant
What even is your case for suspecting Mikal and I other than that we suspected Earth day 1? One incorrect read equals being scum? We lynched him yesterday, but that was hedging bets.
I have laid arguments against you both in past day phases, but they are all irrelevant now, because the fact that I haven't been quick hammered means both scum are already on my lynch.
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@Mikal
You literally still have not explained your read where you said mharm was confirmed scum
I got my M's mixed up,. I meant you and savant obviously.
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@Mikal
Also she just switched her agenda. Bro I’m dying. Lmao
I did not, that was a hidden agenda dummy. My actual agenda like I said earlier was to use a players name in an all caps post. You are purposely misrepresenting me, gaslighting me, and being a general obvious scum.
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@Mharman
Savant voted me and no one is quick hammering, so unless its moozer the scum team is exactly savant and mharman.Anyone find it convienent that mikals been pushing me since day phase 1 and I just "Happen" to show up on tracker results that he should have got yesterday???
Sorry meant savant and mikal
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run on, no periods, not punctuation, couldnt remember.
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@Mharman
Can you explain your remark from earlier about how Savant and I have to be scum, while Mikal’s results implicate you?
I didnt say you did I? I mean savant and mikal
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@Mharman
What are the fakes
I tried doing one without punctuation, one where every other letter was capitalized, etc
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@Savant
You are lying, I did a few agendas. Not as many as others but you can clearly see on the same page I did my normal one that I did a couple
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@Moozer325
Why arent you even able to consider the possibility of me being town? I don't undestand why this could be so cut and dry for you. Please Moozer. Think about this, because you will be throwing the entire game for town and all those long day phases will have been for nothing because you just made up your mind and were WRONG.
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@Moozer325
It wasn’t you denying the accusation, it was the way you said it. You immediately came off hostile with the exclamation points instead of trying to figure out what had really happened.
Hostile? What do you mean lol. Someone is literally lying about my visit. Wouldn't you be surprised and shocked if mikal lied about you visiting someone? Please think about this moozer. Please. I have stuck up for you the entire game. Even before you were copped innocent.
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@Moozer325
I am begging you to put your bias aside and listen to me. You cannot trust results at lylo. Also why didnt he use the tracker the night before? There is no logical reason for this. Mikal is CLEARLY scum.
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@Mharman
HE could have used the tracker the previous night phase according to lunatics answer to you. So why didn't he? He is LYING.
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Why has no one except mharman picked up on the fact that mikal forfeited a tracker ability last night phase for no reason?? We also gave him a free pass for his game solve he NEVER gave us. Why are we all so oblivious to the obvious? I just dont understand.
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@Moozer325
Why have you been so convinced I am scum? Your reasons make 0 sense. If you vote me we lose the game.
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Moozer think about what you just said. How is me telling someone they LIED about their results OMGUS? you have been saying everything Ive said since dp1 is omgus. Ive done nothing but defend you at every turn. Wtf
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Savant voted me and no one is quick hammering, so unless its moozer the scum team is exactly savant and mharman.
Anyone find it convienent that mikals been pushing me since day phase 1 and I just "Happen" to show up on tracker results that he should have got yesterday?
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@Mharman
I had to make a post with all caps using another players name.
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@Mikal
VTl bananaTracked her to Austin.
You are lying! I visited you last night!
VTL mikal
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I am going to be busy today, I will try to get on today to vote if needed but don't count on me to be there. Again I will try my absolute best. I have a family function today.
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Mharman has got to be town. I love this effort from him, and he's also the only one who can smell mikals bullcrap.
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@Mharman
1. Nearly the entirety of your activity this game has been centered around defending yourself from Mikal, and scumreading him off it. Where is the effort to scumhunt others?
This isn't true, it's just the narrative that mikal is selling that you seem to be believing. While it's true he is my strongest scum read, I have said POE would be savant and you based on roles. currently I townread you more than savant, so if I had to guess right now who mikal's scum partner is, it would be savant. Several factors, including his willingness to participate in the earth lynch dp1, as well as his refusal to use his role, which could have saved whiteflame last day phase who is presumably our only power role.
2a. What you made you suspect Savant NP1?
His willingness to lynch earth, who to me seemed like scum's agenda for a mislynch.
2b. What do you think of Savant now?
I guess I answered this too, but I still scum read him for not using his role. I don't understand his reasoning for not using it earlier on, I do understand not using it late game, but he could have saved whiteflame last day phase which would have been good for POE. Even if he used it on almost literally anyone, even earth would have been beneficial. I know he dies, but if we can save an extra mislynch from it, or get a lynch on scum we can break even, his role seems too powerful to waste. Now I am wondering if its even a true role claim, we can literally never prove it now. He does have some pro town behaviors, cracking the game and also his general reads and activity for the most part has been good, but the main thing that worries me is that he seems to buy a lot of mikals BS a little too easily, and he seems to smart for that. The fact that he still wants to lynch earth is very worrisome to me.
3a. Is there any way you and Savant could be a false dichotomy?
huh???
3b. How likely is it?
I don't understand.
4. Your early decision to out your character’s premier date aligns with the incentive to janitor someone for their role. Why can't this be the case?
This also removes the ability that I would have used the mod provided fake claim though, and I was literally the first person to claim a date. The reasoning here is that I can't have chosen the fake claim, and had the janitored claim. So if you are choosing to buy into the janitor theory, then you have to also be banking on the fact that I was that confident in the janitor, or I was just actually town. The chances are that I am genuinely townie and not lying are just as likely in this situation if not more likely than adding the risks of me getting a janitored claim. It's also an extremely frustrating argument because there is like 5 other people the janitor claim is consistent with as far as caseys comments go, so Im defending against something I can't really prove anything against.
5. What do you think of the idea that you and Mikal are teammates and hard bussing each other?
I am too inexperienced to even know how to fake something like that. I've only been scum one time, and if you recall, it didn't go so well for me. I am 100% willing to lynch mikal and have been advocating it for three day phases now.
6. What is the case for you being town?
I was the only one sticking up for whiteflame last day phase, I had wylted in my POE in DP1 despite him being ultimately a null read, and I have defended earth and moozer from being lynched, and I think if I didn't stick up for earth dp1 he would have been lynched. I have been nothing but honest about my role and character, and I even said who I visited before whiteflame confirmed it. This proves absolutely that I am not the janitor, and obviously nothing janky happened to savant, so it should be obvious that I did what I say I did. One of the major reasons whiteflame was lynched was to verify his results, so if he died in vain and people are still suspecting me, then I think anyone who pushed for his lynch did it for opportunity instead and we should look into them. The only thing scummy people can point to that I have done is 1. Mikal thinking that I volunteered too much information, when I literally just gave away that I was after the year 2000, something every single person in the game has given now. And 2. That I am OMGUSing or whatever. Its an extremely weak argument that ignores basically every other point I had on mikal, and dismisses his pushing of earth for the same reasons. I can't be omgusing for other people, only myself, so since the case against mikal doesn't just apply to myself, it can't be omgus. Also I think dismissing a scum read on someone as omgus is a weak and lazy argument. What if I happened to read mikal for anything after he had read me first, does it no matter what just not get to count because he had a scum read on me first? That's kind of an insane argument, and it should be dismissed. 3. The only other argument thats been used against me is just as impossible to respond to because its something I can't defend and thats the assumption that I took caseys claim. I have always been the character I claimed, I softed it early, and I simply don't know how I can respond to that, but it is extremely frustrating knowing that savant has a role that could clear me right now, and he won't use it, so now i have to continue repeating this same nonsense again and again, because these are the only things people repeat as talking points.
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@Savant
You, Moozer, Austin, and Earth all vote for Earth. Whoever gets the sensor will see how many scum were on the Earth lynch. If there were none, then we know you are clear. Even in a scenario where both you are Earth are innocent, PoE is basically narrowed to Mharman, me, and Mikal.
I agree with the sensor part of the plan, I just am not a fan of using it on earth, because I think he is town. Maybe lets see what Austin has to say.
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@Savant
I mean y PoE is basically the opposite of yours, but if we use the plan I'm proposing, then we should be able to clear you tomorrow if you are town. If that happens, then a Mikal (and probably myself as well) will be potential lynches.
What's your plan again?
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I forgot to say, not that it matters since mikal didnt use his role he won but I used my brave townie action on mikal last night.
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@Savant
Because same deal. We get one less lynch total. Doesn't matter when I use it so much as whether there's an even or odd number of players.
But we got a free mafia lynched on dp1. If there was any time we could afford it, it was before whiteflame died. We could have confirmed whiteflame last day phase, and if we lynched scum afterwards it would have been a worthwhile trade. Or even if you didn't use it on whiteflame, if you had caught scum with it. But it might be too late to use your role now.
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Okay here's where I am at.
Mikal, I still think he's scum. Yay its gonna be so fun arguing with him over and over again this whole day phase, but NOTHING he's done and I mean NOTHING has helped the town. We trusted him with the item last day phase and what did he do with it? NOTHING. Why would town hold off on using an item, when it puts them at risk of dying? And he role copped Moozer?! Moozer is already town confirmed by earth. I just think this was such a waste! We also tested him! we knew he was popular! Why is anyone still town-reading this guy...
I am pretty confident earth and moozer are both town still, have been all game. Austin is more or less confirmed, I know there is a chance he is scum gladiator, but I don't see it, and plus he was accidentally confirmed by not submitting his trivia answer.
So mikals partner has to be mharman or savant. I am leaning savant out the two based on behavior. I don't think he should have held on to his role this long, because now there is no way to prove him without basically risking the game, which is very convienent. I would even offer myself up to be used by his role. But we can't confirm him or anyone else with his role so it was a waste! And we can't confirm mharman either so he is still in the poe, but honestly i dont see why mafia would ever target him after he claimed anyway, so he was kind of doomed to never be able to prove his role the second he claimed.
My vote for today would be to lynch mikal, he is my strongest scum read, and maybe mafia will narrow down the pool for us tomorrow with a night kill, though I bet they just kill austin anyway. But who knows. Mikals partner has to be between mharman and savant though but I think we lynch mikal and worry about his partner tomorrow since its less sure.
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@Savant
Yes, we get one less lynch total. If the person I pick is innocent, we save a lynch and sacrifice me instead of them. But if the person we would have lynched is guilty anyway, then I died losing us a lynch for nothing.
Okay fair enough. I can see how using it late in the game can be bad.. just curious is there any reason you didn't use this earlier in the game? Why not on whiteflame?
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@Savant
If scum didn't kill me, they'd kill someone else.
Would we be at numbers disadvantage if we lost an extra townie? Because if the payoff was a succesful lynch it could be worth it, but if we mislynch on top of losing you I can see it being really bad
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@Savant
If I use it, I die. That loses us an entire lynch.
Yeah i understand its a big risk. I am trying to decide if its worth it numbers wise. Would the game end? if not it could help with a ton of poe, What if you just get night killed anyway after today without using it though?
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@Savant
oops all caps, but yeah savant that role is very strong for town, i dont think you should hold onto it i would even volunteer myself to have you use your role on, because I am tired of having to defend myself against the same arguments all the time but i could get town confirmed it would help with the poe. you should consider using it on me, even mikal
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@Savant
I'm Deal or No Deal. Because the game requires a lot of sacrifice, I'm the "lamb." I can kill myself at any point but in doing so reveal the full role PM of another player.
I WISH YOU WOULD HAVE USED THIS ON WHITEFLAME
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@Savant
Here's how we win today's challenge: Everyone come up with like five hidden agendas you don't actually have and complete those as well. Complete all your agendas in a random order. The odds will be very much against scum guessing 3/5 correctly.
ThAtS a DeCeNt IdEa
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@ILikePie5
Is that the only reason you scumread him? POE?
No I literally just said I thought he was scummy for publically guessing at claims, and I said that in my read list in dp1... I put him as an overall null read because I didn't know if that was a behavior he would do as town as well, but it rubbed me the wrong way when he did it.
I’m not using it against you. I’m just saying, you scumread Mikal and Whiteflame and then Savant as well apparently. Not all of that can be true
I was waning off whiteflame towards the end of the dp1, as he answered for me more clearly why he thought earths claim was safe while also agreeing with you that it was obscure enough it had to be the mod provided claim if not true. I didn't understand how he was coming to the conlcusion that it would be sagfe, until he explained that CC's happen a lot so the claim qualified as "safe" because he was less likely to be CC'ed.
I already responded to this. It can only be Joe Rogan or Howie Mandel. The latter is not as well known as the former. The others cannot be Casey’s host because the shows are pre-2000 when Casey claimed post-2000
Those are all pretty well known names actually, you can't just selectively dismiss them for no reason. The only one you can eliminate based on time frame issues is Bob Barker. But even then I was literally the first person to claim post 2000 so you can't ignore the fact that if you think I was scum then I already had a fake claim locked in, considering wylted used no fake claim, then I would have had to use the fake claim the mod provided, or was being honest. But it can't be both that I was using the mod given fake claim AND caseys claim.
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I was literally the first person to soft something about my character, so you can argue that I already had a claim locked in from the mod, or you can argue that I took caseys, but you can't argue both. The other side of the coin is that I am actually being honest about my character. It's ironic that the one game I barely volunteer information about my role is the one where its used against me the most as a scum tell for offering the very little in which I did (Mikal) and also a point of hurt because if I had claimed my show early on this wouldn't even be an argument from pie. I have arguments pointed at me that say im scummy either way, and it really makes no sense!
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
Also the point about caseys hint is really such a bad argument, I have already pointed out there are several other hosts that casey could have been talking about. Drew Carrie (Moozers show), Steve Harvey (Austins show), Howie Mendel (Savants show), and Bob Barker (Mharmans show) all are people I think are widely considered big recognizable celebrity names. I don't know why you are hyper focused on mine being the only one that fits that category.
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@ILikePie5
My read on wylted was null because he really didn't contribute much, but it might as well have been a scum tell because other than mikal and a light read on austin and wwhiteflame I had basically everyone else as town at the time. And I specifically pointed out him calling out characters in my read, I did that specifically because he was calling out fear factor. I wasn't around at the end of the day phase to press him so its hardly fair to use that against me. Wylted was in my POE before most people were really considering him.
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Anyways I am going to be busy for a bit today. Tag me if I am needed for something, I get an email everytime someone @'s me, otherwise I might not check on this until later tonight.
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@Mikal
Agree with you or scum got it. Logic good
You are actually a child. Maybe I'll start talking to you like one if thats how you are going to act.
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@Mikal
if everyone else agrees they see logic in what I’m saying and understand why I’m saying it and you are literally the only one who disagrees, that may be a you problem. I am not going to go back and re type and retype and run in circles over my thoughts. They are there to read
Its not "everyone" thought thats the point. Its the select few that happen to have the time and availability to drown out the other voices. Again its funny that you are so quick to use ad populum now, when last day phase you were quick to use the opposite card "No one is agreeing with me thus my read has to be true". You pick the safest lane each time to justify your position.
and also yes. Earth claiming he got the town item and not getting cced is enough of a reason not to sus him for now. Could he be mafia and have the mafia item sure. If he uses it he’s dead. So more pressing issues like Poe and whiteflame. Game dynamics change, go figure.
Thank god earth happens to be good at trivia, other wise you would have one more mislynch lined up.
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@Savant
Everyone Mikal has pushed for is well within PoE. How do you know for certain that Mharman and whiteflame are mislynch targets? Even if you are innocent and thus know you are a mislynch target, I know that I'm a mislynch target, so I could accuse you of the same thing.
I can read the room. If you notice, the most active players seem to be dominating most of the discussion. You, pie, mikal etc. And I disagree that you are really a mislynch target, most people seem to have you in their town pools. Mharman wasn't a mislynch target until today. Also mislynch suggest I know the person is town, which I don't, but I am noticing trends, 'activity bullying' is one. Its crazy to me that neither you pie nor mikal have even role claimed but are the ones leading the day phase for example and dominating the discussion of who to lynch, how to vote, etc.
From your seat its easy to throw suspicion on someone who has claimed, for example trying to spin mharmans role as a slip with the oracle, when you yourself haven't even claimed yet.. Same goes for mikal and pie. I do think pie is town so he's the only one I am giving a pass to, and mainly because he also saw through mikals guise last day phase and pointed out that he was pushing "easy" targets.
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@Savant
There's a difference between being focused on a player you're trying to lynch (what Mikal did) and being focused on a single reason to lynch a player (what you're doing now). The latter isn't always scummy, but it's not usually convincing.
The entire reason I suspect mikal is that he is pushing for mislynch targets, and he is using his activity as town cred to blatantly manipulate people into thinking hes got to be town because there is no way scum would be this active right? But if you actually read what he says, the arguments he has really don't make a lot of sense. I don't understand how he gets away with it really. The same thing applies to his whiteflame lynch, which really also makes no sense. He is a smart person capable of logic, so when he used bad logic this should be a red flag to people. I am very surprised he is not to more people than just me.
Furthermore, Earth is still alive, and Mikal hasn't been trying to push him.
If earth didn't win that cop ability last day phase, I guarantee you he would still be pushing him. Now it is blatantly scummy for him to push earth. Him backing off earth suddenly after earth is has a good reason to be town now should be a warning sign to you. It shows that behavior wasn't ever really taken into account like he is pretending it was.
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@Savant
The reason your reads haven't caught on is that you've been hyperfocusing on a single point (willingness to vote Earth), which isn't even a scummy thing, since Earth was in PoE yesterday.
I don't think I was hyperfocused on earth, Mikal was, and was actively trying to push his lynch, and I still don't think the reasons were very good. Basically that he was "scummy" and "defensive" and I honestly thought he looked less so than in other games I've seen him in, and plus his claim was very very solid. Earth became the hyperfocus of last day phase for poor reasons, so I was looking into anyone who seemed to agree with those reasons as a good reason to lynch him because that was obviously scums goal for a mislynch dp1.
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