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@ILikePie5
And it’s pretty clear that Donald Trump would overwhelmingly win anyways, so why waste resources?
I will admit, this is a very valid reason not to run a primary for the second term of an incumbent president. Even though I hate to read the words "Trump" and "overwhelmingly win" in a sentence. <grin>
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@Greyparrot
McCain and Romney sure as hell were not better.
PLEASE! McCain was one of the best politicians in the past 50 years! I would vote for him over almost anyone!
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@Greyparrot
All politicians are Caesars.
Yes! That was my point, republican or democrat. Therefore, why choose an immoral republican over a moral republican? In the November election it does come down to republican vs. democrat. So I understand general non-religious republicans. I just don't understand evangelicals. Republican or democrat, religiously-moral people should care about corruption, unethical behavior, fraud, sexual abuse, etc., ----- more than they care about the economy.
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@MisterChris
Evangelicals tend to side with Trump because he is a hell of a lot better than the alternative, not because he is a virtuous figure.
That makes a lot of sense. But wouldn't you want to have another more "moral" republican choice? And yet the leaders of the republican party wouldn't let a republican primary happen. I don't understand this.
But, you say he is a "hell of a lot better" based on what? Are you saying Trump is better because any republican is better than a democrat? That, at least, would explain a little. Or are you saying you would vote for Trump, even if he was not a republican.
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@Greyparrot
Plenty of evangelicals voted for Obama. None of them are probably going to hell for doing so.
Don't know if this is a joke or not; but I am not saying voting for Trump will send you to Hell. I'm just asking why a religiously-moral person would pick an immoral candidate. The pros would have to seriously outweigh the cons. Also, you didn't really answer my question about the different Caesar in your example. But that's okay.
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@Username
The most right wing society would be the society with the greatest amount of heirarchy/traditional social institutions. The most left wing society would be the society with the least.
Best definition yet!
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@Greyparrot
There are plenty of religious people that believe in the New Testament saying "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"This phrase has become a widely quoted summary of the relationship between Christianity, secular government, and society. The original message, coming in response to a question of whether it was lawful for Jews to pay taxes to Caesar, gives rise to multiple possible interpretations about the circumstances under which it is desirable for Christians to submit to earthly authority.
I understand this reference but not the relevance. Caesar in this example could be any republican or any democrat. It therefore still doesn't help me understand why they wouldn't render unto a "different" Caesar. The economy has been great under both republican and democratic leadership. Do you mean that evangelical voters can only look back as far as the economy before COVID? And this being the case, are willing to support an immoral president based solely on the pre-COVID economy? BTW, I DO AGREE that many vote based on their peers and their church leadership.
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@Greyparrot
Separation of Church and state for one.
Really? Are you saying that evangelicals are setting aside their religious beliefs (or at least looking the other way) in order to support the state?
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@Greyparrot
Secondly, people care more about the economy than the afterlife when voting for a president generally speaking.
I was raised religious. Nothing was more important than the afterlife. If a man is immoral, you don't vote for him --- period. I no longer believe myself, but my father is VERY religious. He and I almost never speak. But neither of us voted for trump.
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Okay, I'm new. I'm not just new to this forum, but to this entire website. In fact, I haven't been on an online forum for over 10 years. So bear with me.
I'm not trying to be rude or combative; I just really want to know. I've heard the abortion argument. But that is more of a republican argument. I'm not asking why religious evangelicals support republicans. I want to know why religiously-moral people support Trump specifically. He has led a very immoral life. There are the numerous sex scandals, the Trump charity that was shut down because of fraud (and the money he had to repay to a real charity of the court's choosing), the Trump university fiasco, his tax evasion, his Obama birther-ism hoax, etc., just to name a VERY FEW. He also nicknames people based on the characteristics they most wish they could change about themselves, such as their weight the shape of their face (horse-face), their age, whether or not they stutter or are mentally disabled, etc . . .
I know I will probably be slammed for this post and this topic. But be gentle. I am VERY NEW. I honestly just don't get why religiously-moral people like Trump.
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