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@Greyparrot
McCain has been US senator since 1987. That you believe idio-ump has more intellectual and moral integrity than McCain signs of lack of moral and intellectual integrity. No surprises there.60 million voted for McCain. Good bye Mr Chips.
You and the other Trumpanzees are in denial of truth regarding idio-ump and his closet Trumpanzees. idio-ump has noit drained any swamp.
He has grown the mafila-like thug swamp greater than it has ever been in history. Awaken and smell the stink in white house or keep your orange Trumpanzee head sitting atop an image of false image, as you have at DDO.
Here is that false image once again.
OMG, idio-umps head on your body. How revolting to most humans that is. Or in case of Trumpanzees ummm, yum yum.
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@secularmerlin
I have not idea what "point" your refering to. You like to play mind games that leads to nowhere.So we agree on this point.
You need to go back and read my responses in sequence. My points are very clear and to the point.
Your mind games, not so much.
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@secularmerlin
Oh, sorry. Still does not change my responses as stated. I repeat, humans a---for the most part--- Ominvores.I am not the author of this thread.
No surprises there for those humans considerate of known truths.
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@secularmerlin
Fuller says? So This is an argument from authority?
Yeah, I was paraphrasing Bucky Fuller. You and I have had this converstation before.
Sure, Fuller is authority of some things and not others. Sure new information is always occurring and he has been dead for 35 years.
He offers his geometric version of a cosmic hierarchy.
Does Secular Martin have a cosmic viewpoint? Can Secular Martin layout any cosmic viewpoint in an outline, list or heirarchy?
Cosmic { most generalized macro-set } >< Special-case { most narrowly specific micro-set }.
I don't recall your ever having a cosmic viewpoint. I believe Fuller has more authority and concepts involving on more issues/topisc than Secular Martin does. Who is to say what the truth is in those regards?
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@Mister_Man
Yeah, no one has the solution to the dmans point of 'he said she said' truth.I do agree that men should take body language into account, and if they're continuing to do something even though the girl is being quite hesitant, there's something wrong.
What I recall the judge saying to us 12 jurors, was that he is the judge of the law, and we are the judge of the truth. Good luck there, especially when so much of the peoples under considerations history, may not be included/allowed i.e. how well do 12 strangers know the two people. Not that well.
Electronic implants in man and woman to record our lives may be the final solution. Then we can just check the electronic record. Can it be tampered with. Sure but that is whole other issue.
Regulated communication brothels is rational logical common sense aid for man and woman to become informed about the opposite sex, satisfy and genetic drive and practice social skills.
So I have nothing much to offer than what Ive repeated above. I read once that the biggest differrences for people is not race it is sex.
Square dancing was a way of old 'square' peoples to exchange energy in a fun way. Imagine that, having fun can be accepted.
Then came dirty dancing ergo dirty fun?
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@secularmerlin
Do you have areading comprehension disability and memory problems? Read my lips/text as follows if you can.
Is Man an Omnivore?
Is the title of this thread. Do you even understand what the question is that you asked?
When I state human{s} that includes man and woman. Do you understand that?
When you want, to not play mind games with me, then please communicate something of significant intellectual content.
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@Mopac
No I'm not an was not only very clear in those regards but also with my questions posed to you.It seems to me that you are confusing gods with God
When you actually want address my questions --in simple English-- as posed to you, please do.
You have not any valid responses and that is why you play dumb. You have no shred of desire for truth in regards to any of my comments, as stated.
The truth exists for those who seek it --not you-- for those who do not ---thats you--- and for those who scoff at it. Soon to be you if not already you.
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@secularmerlin
Meat vs vegetable.
Meat nutritious but serious short and long term side issues.
Vegetables win/win/win
This is a minimal brainer for humans who are that have been primarily omin-vores for thousand of years if not millions of years.
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@Mister_Man
Regulated brothels where sex is the given ---consent from out front-- provided saftey guidlines are in place.Just because I don't have a solution doesn't mean I can't criticize others.
It is so nuts, ---like so many irrational, nutzoid laws--- not to have brothels, primarily for men, to get their genetic fix, satisfied.
That would be a good start for a solution, primarily mens issues regarding sex with women. No? Yes?
Sex with woman who is not in the business of consentual sex as a given, is truly a differrent set of circumstances for the man.
However, the man could maybe learn something about women via the brothel method and that may make for a better exchange with between the man and women in circumstances not brothel related.
So much of what humans do not communicate need to be communicated and in some cases acted out, to satisfy/scratch and itch/gene.
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@Tejretics
1] to regulate a business so that particular act/practice cause less harm to people, in various ways,For people who support legalizing prostitution
2} to satisfy a seemingly genetic need, if not just a desire of primarily men, and make for a safer society, and espsecially safer for women,
3} ???
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@secularmerlin
Ive read it takes two to 3 days days to digest a steak dinner.
Vegetables in 12 hours ergo half or third of the time processing in the gut.
We are 15,000 years past paleolithic era. There is absolutely no need to eat meat.
Cow farming will become a hobbie/pastime for 1st world countries in 100 years from now, if humanity moves mind forward into the future and not the current butt forward into the future.
Way too much jungle is cleared for cow farming and that only leads uneccessary methane produciton ergo more uncalled for greenhouse gases.
Why feed soy to cow when we can feed it straight the human and cut out the middle man. This a minimal brainer.
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@Mopac
The Truth sets you free. The Truth is Salvation.
Somehow I dont think you much interested interested in truth. At least in the regards Ive presented to you.
The truth exists for those who seek it, those who don't and those who scoff at it.
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@Mopac
You addressed none of the questions I asked you. Why? Cause you have no valid responses? That is my best guess.
Reality for most people and scientists is 3D + time, not 2D plus time.
You dont seem to grasp the diffferrence or address valid questions posed to you. Why?
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Petroleum Blues
.....Mustard....
The blood in my veins,
Leaves a nasty stain,
When i blow my nose,
The company knows,
Im a macho man.
I breath carbon soot,
I eat uranium dust,
When i fart,
Atoms split apart,
I'm a macho man.
I drank lots of gas in my gas station days,
Petroleum makes a kind of beautiful haze,
Some people want, to leave it in the ground,
Don't they know, it makes the world go round,
I'm a macho man.
Its God great gift to the human race,
Its a spiritual thing this petroleum case,
Its capital explosion for you and me,
It will trickle on out to all six billion and three,
I'm a mahco man.
SUV’s dont bother me,
Gas we get from a petro tree,
It flows and flows no end in sight,
I'm a macho man.
The industrial age has brought us real far,
The industrial age has brought us the car,
It seems mass transit is good for some,
Messing with my auto is a messing with my gun,
I'm a macho man.
Peace, love and happiness,
Fills my brain when i step on the gas,
You may smell a petroleum fume,
My atomic engine is a coming real soon,
I'm a macho man
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Nature = natural = God/Universe/Cosmos
What is not natural? Black holes? There is seemingly evidence they exist near center of every galaxy we observe.
Is access to more complex metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts ex mathematics not natural? Of most creatures on Earth only 6 billion or so humans have this access.
Is in not natural to invent or discover the wheel? The match { phosphperous } or flint to start a fire? Is it not natural to sail/tack into the wind?
After all ancient Asian or Indonesian religous taught to go with the flow, not against the flow.
Are humans not natural?
Are viruses that have only DNA or RNA not natural? All other celluar organisms have both DNA and RNA.
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@ethang5
What exactly would be the economic reasons this would not work?
Dollar looses all value and becomes moot. Happens to many currencies over the years. Monetary values { economics }, like human laws, comes and goes.
Money is just one avenue for the motivations of the spirit ergo power and control via money motivates the spirit.
Stuff { standard of living } via money motivates the spirit.
Remove the money factor from Earth and what is motivating factors of humans?
Clean air, water food, sex and shelter. We still have power/control but without money the must used another avenue.
Violence has been a common avenue in the past to gain control/power.
Spirit-of-intent is what motivates humans. A desire to feel competent at getting air, water, food, sex and shelter.
Humans want to feel competent at whatever it is they do. Remove money and violence then we are left to spirit-of-intent as to what motivates the human.
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@SkepticalOne
@Mopac
No, of course not! Reality exists.
If by "Reality" we mean 3D + time then, Jacob Bekenstien, and Leaonard Susskind would have us believe that we live in a holographic Universe that is 2D + time.
Kieth appears to accept the premise of identifying concepts with various ways of presenting them. Ex god or God. I would and do go further and present "G"od as synonym of "U"niverse/"G"od and give clear definitions.
god = demi-gods ex pharaoh or king etc.
God = Universe ergo occupied space
0} "G"od/"U"niverse =,
.....01} spirit-1 { spirit-of-intent }, metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept ex concept of space, God, Toyota's etc,
------conceptual line-of-demarcation---------------------
......02} metaphysical-2, macro-infinite non-occupied space, that, embraces/surrounds the following,
.......03} finite, occupied space God/Universe.
Italics emphasize mind/intellect/concept.
Capitals emphasize cosmic whole integrities.
Mopac a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
There exists no rational, logical common sense or evidence for "infinite mind" nor any "being" that is perfect, unless we consider Universe as a "being" --like human being--- and I do not.
We do find there exist finite limits and we only discover --via mind/intellect-- a finite set of cosmic laws/principles.
We know there can only exist five and only five regular/symmetrical and convex polyhedra of "U"niverse/"G"od.
Sure there exists no reason for an infinite set of differrent polyhedra to exist in conceptually, however, if we live in a finite occupied space Universe, then we can say there cannot exist and infinite set of occupied space polyhedra within any finite period-of-time. I.e infinite set can only correlate to an eternal existence beyond finite periods-of-time.
Mopac 2: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically: one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
So your God is not natural? Is a black hole not natural? Is access to more complex metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts ---ex mathematics-- not natural? Of all biological creatures we know on Earth, only humans have this access. For only 6 billion creatures to have this access to the more complex mind/intellect/concepts not natural?
If your God is beyond the concept of nature then I dont see any rational, logical common sense to even begin to explore that which is beyond nature, ergo beyond Universe or Cosmos etc.
..."Nature, in the broadest sense, is the natural, physical, or material world or universe. "Nature" can refer to the phenomena of the physical world, and also to life in general. The study of nature is a large, if not the only, part of science."...
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@spacetime
So there you have it. Change my mind!
Immigration is inherently based on reality of two or more nation/states.
A scenario involving a unified Earth nation/state, immigrant is an irrelevant word or concept, unless mind-accessing extra-terrestrial begin arriving.
Do prefer a scenario of a less unified Earth with a future that is of an increasing number of nations/states, or a unified Earth where concept of immigration is moot/irrelevant concept/word?
We each have a choice to make in the direction we want humanity to move towards. Integration towards unification, as one integrated humanity, or not.
I hope you will open your mind --more considerate-- as much, or more, than change your mind.
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@Greyparrot
The world is a better place.
Or what you truly mean, and do not state, is that America is now 'greater again', because of McCains death.
Megan McCain has it correct, america { USA } already is great and does not need to be made great again.
It is propaganda slant by an immoral president who lacks so much integrity that fits the bill for the immoral minority.
69 million voted for Obama,
65 million voted for Hillary
62 million voted for idio-ump
Senator McCain = integrity, courage and balanced mental and emotional human
Idio-ump = lack of integrity, immoral, mafia-like thug, p__y grabbing, unbalanced, lying, narcissistic, reality tv celebrity
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@ravensjt
You have no proof of what your claiming and the claim that less guns will equate to more deaths is a fallacy.
Ultimately all weapons of mass-destruction designed to kill even a few humans need to be banned. How humanity gets to that place is unknown.
We now have ability for people to create plactic or other non-metal guns with 3D printers.
Humans operating out of fear are is not the optimal mental/intellectual rationally and rational sane way to move forward into the future.
All for one and one for all is not just a cute saying by the musketeers. It is a reality that humanity will have to come to know or cease to exist on Earth.
Humans can hunt by many other means if they must revert to hunting to survive. Ex if humans have to return to 16, 000 year paleolithic way of life.
Australia is apparently ahead of the 8-ball in these regards. Go team Australia!
Make Australia greater than it has been. Decrease mass-shootings of humans. YAY!
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@Castin
Well spoken.
Yeah, I agree, kieth p is correct. Thank god we live in a world where most people have 'good intentions' and moral integrities that are not based on solely some, misguided, religious nonsense or 200 year old human laws that are misconstrued to encourage more violence on Earth. Sad :--(
Ex right to bear arms. Yeah a few humans got the right to bear machine guns banned in US, yet here we are 80 years later with much worse/dangerous weapons being encouraged/supported by NRA and other immoral nutcases.
Not all religious morals are based on nonsense. Some get it that hunters of deer do not need rapid fire assualt weapons to survive.
Most humans do not even depend on deer, elk, bear,raccon etc to survive. You would think these immorals had never heard of a grocery store based on the way they talk. They are the mirror image of idio-ump { humpty-dumpty } president, or they like to think of themselves as ideo-ump-lite.
They like to create false images of themselves as something { bad ass } they are not. Or they are a immoral bad ass and should be kept far away from rapid fire weapons or other weapons of mass destruction. Oh yeah idio-ump is how many steps away from nuclear annihilation of humanity?
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@Smithereens
You might be thinking of epigenetics.
Ok, either way, IQ abilities is correlated to our nutrition. Sleep is correlated to IQ abilites. Etc so on and so on.
Nutrition and sleep affect all functions of humans.
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@secularmerlin
That we live in a finite, occupied space Universe and I also identify that as God or the cosmos.
Since the finite, occupied space Universe, must be embraced/surrounded by macro-infinite,meetaphysical-2, non-occupied space.
We also have metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts, that, have to be included in the outline/mix of God/Cosmos.
To do this, we adjust that identity of God/Universe as "U"niverse/"G"od to be the most cosmically wholistically inclusive set for consideration.
0} "U"niverse/"G"od" Cosmic Outline/List aka the Cosmic Trinity or Cosmic Hierarchy
...01} spirit-1{ spirit-of-intent } metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts,
------------------------conceptual line-of-demarcation---------------------------
...02} metaphysical-2, macro-infinite, non-occupied space, that, surrounds/embracess the following,
..03} finite, occupied space Universe/God aka Uni-V-erse.
The above is the initial cosmic trinity and has a subset trinity as follows;
020} finite occupied space Universe/God,
.....02} spirit-2, physical/energy as fermions and bosons ---there may exist a newer 3rd category in addition to these two ergo another subset trinity-- that aggregate as atoms, molecules, biologicals, planets etc,
.....03} spirit-3, metaphysical-3 ( ultr-micro } gravity ---positive shaped geodesic curvature associated with a torus---,
.....04} spirit-4, meta-physical-4 { ultra-micro } dark energy ----negative shaped geodesic curvature associated with a torus--.
Two or more occupied space tori are associated with every particle of Universe. We may understand 2D holography ideas via the internal body of each torus being associated directly with the outer positive shaped ( ) gravity ( ) surface and the inner negative shaped )( dark energy )( surface.
Jacob Bekenstien was the initial mathematician to discover that what is inside a black hole is expressed on its surface. Leonard Susskind via string theory and conformal theory ideas comes to similar conclusion via a tube example.
My tube is a torus and the internal body is a sine-wave pattern /\/\/ or as ^v^v, that, is resultant of inversions from the peak of the outer, positive shaped curvature ( ) as gravity ( ), and, the peak of the inner, negative shaped curvature )(, as dark energy )(.
I use these two texticons > and < to visualize these inversions from peak of curvatures ergo if we were to generalize these most basic tori of Universe to the greater Universe on whole, we could envision the following T-shirt logo;
SPACE (><)(><) SPACE i.e. a vertical bisection of a torus with inversions { >< } from peak of curvature.
If we were to include bilateral consciousness { * * } and access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts { i }, then the logo would look more like this;
SPACE(>*<) i (>*<) SPACE
The resultant sine-wave pattern inside the tori, as the body of the tori, also represent physical/energy ergo reality we observe ergo observed time { t } via our bilateral, nervous system consciousness { * * }.
With that in mind we can visualize the T-shirt logo this way S(t) i (t)S. Just be sure not to include and 'h' anywhere in there. :--)
Again, I believe our dynamically fluctuating, finite, occupied space Universe/God is composed of an ultra-high number of these dynamic, fluctuating, overlapping and interfering tori.
As Fuller states, start with the greatest cosmic whole and no parts can be left out. If the exists a raitonal, logical common sense set that is more inclusive than mine, as stated, I'm not aware of it, and now one ---in 20 years-- has made any attempt to offer or identify a more wholistic set.
My beliefs start with the greatest whole set and include the most primitive basic set. All else falls with that set.
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@Buddamoose
Would not like to live in a world where most of humanity only 'bad intentions', would you?"road to hell is paved with good intentions"
What were the intentions of humans that came to land of the free and chased away, or killed so many native indian's, and proceeded to place the surviving native indians on reservations in some of poorest agriculture land.
The first Spanish colonies, in the land of the free, occurred 125 years before the British and they had indian and black slaves, but believed those peoples have souls ergo allowed those slaves to buy their freedom and the Spanish priests performed marriages for all peoples of any color.
The initial British arriving in the land of the free, were quite the opposite i.e. a much more inhumane set of people.
In the words of Senator McCains daughter, America is already great, and does not need to be made 'great again'.
Thank you Megan, that will be all idio-ump{ humpty-dumpty }
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@drafterman
No person, no brain, no sound.
The vibrations{ frequency } of sound still occur, irrespective if there is a human to receive those vibrations of sound ergo to verify those frequencies of sound occurred.
Humans may not be the only biological or non-biological presence that is affected by the frequency of sound. If the amplitude of sound frequency is high enough the matter can be moved.
And an aside, bats{ air molecules } and dolphins/porpoises/{ water molecules } produce highest frequency of sound{ sonics } and that mathematical frequency is very close to frequency of a differrent medium, that of EMRadiation as microwaves.
Vibration/frequency have cause and effect if not also resultants.
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@Fallaneze
Agreed Falleneze and J6 have it correct. 10 points each.
Humans do not invent the five, and only five, regular/symmetrical and convex polyhedra of Universe.
They discover their existence. Humans discover what is possible and apply that to construction, sometimes called invention.
They did not invent cosmic laws, principles or sets of number associated with all occupied space , geometric patterns.
At best humans invent words to convey concepts.
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@keithprosser
Genetics are based on nutrition. Less nutrition and the genetics do not function as well, if at all.
Less sleep and the brain does not function as well.
IQ is about memory abilities and ability to recall theose memories and correlate them as integral whole.
Common sense is the above, to a lesser degree, and then placed in context of the immediate surroundings and social context of how does individual, and/or other people feel, in regards to the special-case set of circumstances they find themselves in.
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@Greyparrot
Idio-ump exists for himself, not the people/state. Duhh! Listen to the growing list of past conservative security hawk personnel who have been telling us idio-ump is doing harm to USA democracy as is his soul-brother Putin.
Get real USA nutcases.
39 million voted for Obama
35 million voted for Hillary
32 million numbrains voted for idio-ump
Idio-ump did not drain any swamp. He moved in people who lacked moral integrity. Manafort, Cohen, Flynn and the list goes on and on, and on, and on.
The first 2 senators to support idio-ump now charged with crimes.
Get real USA. USA nutcases are in denial of truth as is Fox news, big time.
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.."Holography encodes the entanglement entropy in thegeometry of the spacetime of the gravity theory. This is a remarkableperspective, the implications of which we are still trying tounderstand."..
https://perimeterinstitute.ca......
Is free will an illusion? A 2D film tube that goes/flows around---as a dynamic torus-- to meet itself? To become self-aware? To be conscious of self?
.....1....peak of outer surface of positive shaped gravitygeodesic ( ) 5........7...................11
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https://perimeterinstitute.ca......
Is free will an illusion? A 2D film tube that goes/flows around---as a dynamic torus-- to meet itself? To become self-aware? To be conscious of self?
To invert from gravity ( ) and dark energy )( geodesic peaks, to create the peak crests andtroughs of a sine-wave patterned /\/\/ frequency of reality?
.....1....peak of outer surface of positive shaped gravitygeodesic ( ) 5........7...................11
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........2......4..peak of outer surface of negative shapeddark energy )(...............8.......10.....
( )( ) = vertical bisection of a torus
(( )) = horizontal bisection of a torus
* * = bilateral consciousness
i = metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts
>< = inversions from peak of positive shaped gravity ( ) and negative shaped dark energy )( peak of curvature to create a sine-wave pattern /\/\/
SPACE (>*<) i (>*<) SPACE
Free will is the existence illusion, that, is 2nd only to the illusion of a 3D, occupied space existence, over time ergo time as motion and frequency.
We have no rational logical common sense explanations other than to have what we sense via our via nervous system.
Jacob Bekenstiens black hole mathmatics --Bekesntiens bound-- led him to make the following comments, as reported in Scientic American. .."we appear to be 2D creatures having and illusion of 3D.....
This viewpoint is share by Leonard Susskind via his string theory ideas and conformal theory ideas.
3D something does not come from 0D nothing, rather, seemingly 0D nothing is 2D something.
I think about something{ occupied space } via a something{ brain } ergo I exist.
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