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@Vader
I'm set up to play on WarZone or Risk phone app. Will there be a regular meetup? Daily? Weekly?
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- I'm not clear on the advantage of halving the number of forums (for users, at least)
- Nobody seems to respect the forum subject headers all that much anyway.
- The priority to my mind is to segregate the different functions to achieve different styles of interaction.
- Users want a couple of spaces for high visibility rapid fire clash- mostly about religion, us current political scene, and above all internal site politics. I think these users should be accommodated without running over the slower conversations with more back & forth, less invective. These users definitely seem to prefer placement at the top of the page.
- Mafia needs its own space and there's little point to trying to discuss anything there when games are hot.
- Beyond clash groups, game groups, and conversational groups some folks like me just enjoy posting shit bulletin style with no real expectation or desire for conversation about it. The lesser used forums have worked pretty well for that purpose this year but if we shrink the number of available forums I would guess this type of posting would fall away.
- Initially the forums seemed poorly organized to me but now I feel like I prefer the pace and decorum of the slower forums and mostly avoid the churn and noise of the busier ones.
- Increased competition and rapid posting tends to disintegrate the thread of conversation and discourage my interest, so I expect that any reduction in the number of forums would likely reduce my participation rather than improve it.
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@RationalMadman
awww
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Pile the bodies high at Austerlitz and Waterloo.
Shovel them under and let me work—
I am the grass; I cover all.
And pile them high at Gettysburg
And pile them high at Ypres and Verdun.
Shovel them under and let me work.
Two years, ten years, and passengers ask the conductor:
What place is this?
Where are we now?
I am the grass.
Let me work.
-Carl Sandburg
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Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
Guy Fawkes and his companions
Did the scheme contrive,
To blow the King and Parliament
All up alive.
Threescore barrels, laid below,
To prove old England's overthrow.
But, by God's providence, him they catch,
With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
A stick and a stake
For King James's sake!
If you won't give me one,
I'll take two,
The better for me,
And the worse for you.
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
A pint of beer to wash it down,
And a jolly good fire to burn him.
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!
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THE HOLLOW MEN
"A penny for the Old Guy"
<br>"Mistah Kurtz-he dead"
"A penny for the Old Guy"
I
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us-if at all-not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.
II
Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death's dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind's singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.
Let me be no nearer
In death's dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer-
Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom
III
This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.
Is it like this
In death's other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.
IV
The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms
In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river
Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death's twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.
V
Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.
Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
Life is very long
Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
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Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.
Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
-Wilfred Owen
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With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
England mourns for her dead across the sea.
Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,
Fallen in the cause of the free.
Solemn the drums thrill; Death august and royal
Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres,
There is music in the midst of desolation
And a glory that shines upon our tears.
They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted;
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.
But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;
As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain;
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.
"For the Fallen"
-Laurence Binyon
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@Speedrace
@PressF4Respect
@airmax1227
The DP ends at 8PM EST on November 7th. There are roughly 4 hours remaining.
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@Speedrace
@PressF4Respect
@airmax1227
The DP ends at 8PM EST on November 7th. There are roughly 4 hours remaining.
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@Jeff_Goldblum
I disagree with the statement that all claims require the same degree of evidence.
If you walked in the door and said that while driving home you saw a bicyclist on the side of the road, I would accept that information prima facie- not because you provided any evidence but because I often see bicyclists while driving. I find your claim ordinary and consistent with my experience so I don't really want or need evidence to back your claim.
If you walked in the door and said that while driving home you saw a bear on the side of the road, I might accept that information but with a grain of salt. I have seen bears on the side of the road although I also know that such incidents are rarer than bicyclists. My skeptical side might well consider whether the time of day or time of year was consistent with the claim. I might also consider whether you had reason to invent or misperceive the sighting.
If you walked in the door and said that while driving home you saw a bear riding a bicycle, I would greet the claim with considerable skepticism. I have seen bears ride bicycles in circus acts so I suppose it is not impossible but my experience of bears tells me that no bear would bicycle under its own initiative or indeed outside of certain cruel and well rehearsed circumstances, the side of the road not qualifying. I would require some solid proof of your claim even knowing the claim was possible- witnessing the biking bear myself or perhaps seeing it on the news. I would probably even doubt some ordinarily very good pieces of evidence such as pictures or second witnesses without at least one piece of extraordinary evidence.
If you walked in the door and said that while driving home you saw bigfoot riding a bicycle, I would refuse to believe you. Even if I witnessed the event myself or saw it on the news I would not accept it as fact without considerable testing. Given what I know about the strong evidence refuting bigfoot, I would need some well documented capture of a live or dead bigfoot, repeatable DNA testing, authoritative zoological confirmation and probably a few months of digesting and revisiting the event before I actually believed you.
The Sagan standard is more than just a standard- it is the common sense human reaction to and evaluation of claims that are unfamiliar to or inconsistent with prior experience and information.
If you are suggesting that I should accept your claims of bigfoot riding a bicycle with the same aplomb as your claim of a human riding a bicycle, I would say that your judgement is impaired.
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Yes, the newspapers were right: snow was general all over Ireland. It was falling softly upon the Bog of Allen and, further westwards, softly falling into the dark mutinous Shannon waves. It was falling too upon every part of the lonely churchyard where Michael Furey lay buried. It lay thickly drifted on the crooked crosses and headstones, on the spears of the little gate, on the barren thorns. His soul swooned slowly as he heard the snow falling faintly through the universe and faintly falling, like the descent of their last end, upon all the living and the dead. -James Joyce
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OK- we need PressF's results
I'm busy for evening but will try to check in later.
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@Greyparrot
fear feet u eat
4 feet u eat
4 feat u eat
fear feet u eat
4 feet u eat
4 feat u eat
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@Greyparrot
Same, but I fear the faggotry levels in AROSE won't lynch Luna.
I usually associate increased faggotry levels with an improvement in good judgement but then I am biased.
Why are your reasons for lynching Luna so weak but your desire to lynch so strong?
Way over 9000.
9000 whats?
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@Wylted
If we need to lynch drafter to lynch lunatic I am willing. But I need some assurance he is 100% lynched tomorrow no matter what.
that's an encouraging sign. Can you expand on your doctor/cop gambit? Are you suggesting a plan for NP?
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@Greyparrot
baba loo-na
smells just as sweet
baba loo-na
smells just like feet
baba loo-na
fear feet you eat
baba loo-na
smells just as sweet
baba loo-na
smells just like feet
baba loo-na
fear feet you eat
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@Greyparrot
baaa
baaaa
baba luna
tomorrow
baba luna
tonite
baba luna
arose
by another name
baba luna
dee-lite
Baba luna
greyparrot
baba luna
chucky weiss
babalunatic
smells just as sweet
baba luna
chucky weiss
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so you were rhetorically asking drafter to answer the question? When he had just demonstrated comprehension? odd
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@Lunatic
--> @draftermanIf press's cop claim is true, the fact that he's still alive, shows the remaining mafia isn't worried about him. Last mafia is likely godfather or lawyer, results probably don't mean much now.What's a godfather do?
WTF is this? Why are you pretending not to know what a godfather does?
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@drafterman
Let's remember that when Supa misposted in DP2 he spoke to "guys" plural. Perhaps the plural was including Warren but perhaps there is some kind of recruitment going on.
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@drafterman
I've played with TUF a few times on DDO- once as a two man scum team that won if I remember right. I can't remember if I played vs. you there (maybe some other username?) but your reputation nevertheless precedes you here.
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@Speedrace
- You keep saying you voted Supa before he slipped, even after Lunatic showed that you unvoted before he slipped
- Post 161 you said "The case against you is that everyone else is town." But you don't know that everyone else is town?
- The ordeal of post 175-178, which was a clear misrepresentation of what Lunatic said
- "You said I proved both wagons were full of sheep. That's false. And I did mind it, I even said so. When Wylted stopped being a sheep, making most of the votes not sheep, I was fully convinced." But you did accuse him of it...maybe not outright but you did
- No, I'm using the fact that absolutely nothing has changed in AROSE behavior yet your FOS is magically gone. Reads can change, for reasons. But there is no reason for you to have changed you read, yet it is magically gone. This implies it was ingenuine to begin with." What changed is that he found a read in you...
very useful. I agree that the drafter/GP alliance's only argument vs. Lunatic seems to be that lunatic suspects drafter. The focus on Lunatic seems less persuasive in intent and more designed to generate a less readible DP, perhaps meant to obscure some incriminating detail.
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11. Airmax1227 Toby Flenderson HATED id x x x
9. Speedrace Stanley Hudson VISITOR x drafter C Airmax
8. Greyparrot Jim Halpert VANILLA C x x x
13. Wylted Michael TRACKER x x x greyp CC C
COUNT(probably inaccurate)
Lunatic: 3/5 (drafter, wylted, GreyParrot)
Drafter: 2/5 (Lunatic, arose Speed)
- Seems like we are blessed with an abundance of investigative roles and (hopefully) 7:1. In this circumstance I see little difference in town advantage between a VTNL this DP and a mislynch.
- Therefore, I am not only not in a hurry, I don't really care if we lynch or not.
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HAMLET
To what base uses we may return, Horatio! Why may
not imagination trace the noble dust of Alexander,
till he find it stopping a bung-hole?
HORATIO
'Twere to consider too curiously, to consider so.
HAMLET
No, faith, not a jot; but to follow him thither with
modesty enough, and likelihood to lead it: as
thus: Alexander died, Alexander was buried,
Alexander returneth into dust; the dust is earth; of
earth we make loam; and why of that loam, where to he
was converted, might they not stop a beer-barrel?
Imperious Caesar, dead and turn'd to clay,
Might stop a hole to keep the wind away.
O, that that earth, which kept the world in awe,
Should patch a wall to expel the winter flaw!
But soft! but soft! aside: here comes the king.
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but baby, baby
bigfeets is bullshit!
but baby, baby
bigfeets is bullshit!
there aint no maybe
bout sasquatch big boy-ah
some major monkey
squatting out in the sequioas
its just some myth out of ignorant bliss
there aint no fuzzy cro-magnon curmudgeon
no neolithic neanderthal grizzly
its just some bliss out of ignnorantness
its just some myth out of ignorant bliss
some nothing monkey business up from La Jolla
some fear of mega-bears rabid outta paranoia
it just some bliss out of ignorantness
its just some myth out of ignorant bliss
no upright-bear-with-gorilla-face race
no giant thick pelted cave men for fucks sake
its just some bliss out of ignnorantness
its just some myth out of ignorant bliss
its just some bliss out of ignnorantness
but baby, baby
bigfeets is bullshit!
but baby, baby
bigfeets is bullshit!
but baby, baby
bigfeets is bullshit!
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b-baby, baby
bigfeets is bullshit
b-bay, baby
bigfeets is bullshit
there aint no maybe
bout sasquatch big boy-ah
some major monkey
squatting in some sequioas
it just some myth out of ignorant bliss
it just some bliss out of ignnorantness
there aint no fuzzy cromagnon curmudgeon
no neolithic neanderthal grizzly
no upright bear with gorilla face grace
no giant thick pelted cave men for fucks sake
it just some myth out of ignorant bliss
some monkey nothing business north from La Jolla
some fear of mega-bears rabid outta paranoia
it just some bliss out of ignorantness
b-baby, baby
bigfeets is bullshit
b-bay, baby
bigfeets is bullshit
b-bay, baby
bigfeets is bullshit!
and yet-ee-ee-eeees.
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@PressF4Respect
GP & Wylted are convinced that you are not COP but you have confirmed AirMx. Certainly Tracker & watcher together makes more sense if no cop. In any case we probably need to watch or track u tonite so if you are anything but COP this is your last chance to adjust claim.
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If he is not COP and town then he is certainly doing us a disservice with TOWNing airmax.
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@drafterman
Never. In fact, I think Supa started the pgo talk. But everyone's looking for the cause of PressF's early COP claim. Seems just as likely he was banking on some protection.
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@Greyparrot
If PressF is PGO or like, I gave him a pretty obv breadcrumb that I would watch him last night & he did not object. Maybe he didn't pick up on it but I suspect that he didn't mind me watching him.
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@warren42
@airmax1227
Warren-
Can we get some activity out of airmax, please?
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@A-R-O-S-E
I said I'm chocolate earlier because it's more fun than saying vanilla lol
VTL A-R-O-S-E
Let's put our cards on the table and forgo further circle jerkin'
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@Speedrace
A bomb. A molotov cocktail with which I can exterminate all you obvious scum in one act.
VTB vote to bomb the lot of you
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Speedrace is 100% scum because he has a convenient claim and is lurking.
PressF is 100% scum for pretending to be COP and handing out 2 false town confirmations.
Greyparrot is 100% scum because he keeps speaking on Wylted & Drafter's behalf
AROSE is 100% scum for not claiming yet
Airmax is 100% for an inexcusable lack of participation
Lunatic is 100% scum because Wylted is right- hyperposting was TUF's old scum MO.
Wylted is 100% scum for claiming Michael with an unmatched & unlikely roleclaim and flat out tap-dancing instead of justification
drafterman is 100% for picking fights and trumpeting small data instead of his usual cohesive analysis. Plus he & GP insist that HIDER gambit is bs but refuse to explain why.
Lynching is not going to cut it this time. Who has a grenade?
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@Wylted
By count that is 200 posts since my last reads without a single change in data. Which tells me town
is not playing like town. We need AROSE and Airmax1227 claims ASAP. If PressF
is not COP he needs to say that quite directly now so we know what we if Airmax is actually
town confirmed. IF PressF is not COP Airmax is my primary concern.
TOWN whodat roll DP1 NP1 DP2 NP2 DP3
X. WaterPhoenix Kevin Malone VANILLA x x x NK
9. Speedrace Stanley Hudson VISITOR x drafter C Airmax
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Lunatic: 2/5 (drafter, wylted)
Drafter: 1/5 (Lunatic)
Wylted: 1/5 (speed)
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