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@Benjamin
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Then run on nukes for 20 years until renewables are preponderant and reliable enough to replace non-renewables
Should we abandon nuclear after 20 years or just supplement with other green sources? There is no cataclysmic danger or economic incentive to remove atomic energy. There is enough fuel for at least centuries of nuclear power, and new innovation will make every step of the process more efficient and safe. An example is thorium reactors and projects to utilize new atoms as fuel, thus recycling radioactive waste instead of burrying it. 

According to World Health Organization, nuclear energy is safer per TerraWatt compared to other green energy sources. Doesn't that make it preferable for longer?
I'm mostly worried about waste storage and security which does not seem to be as thought through for the long term as was once promised.  We should note how Putin is taking over nuclear power plants in Ukraine for his military headquarters- assuming that NATO won't bomb those sites.  There's more to safety considerations than just deaths per terrawatt- Fukushima won't get back to full inhabitability for 40 years.  I don't think we should abandon nuclear plants after only 20 years but my instinct is to minimize usage to the necessary and try to prefer energy sources with less byproduct.
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@RationalMadman
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Please explain why you feel insulted or disregarded by my usage in this forum.
Aside from the fact that you spell it with hard R,

Nigga is a colloquial representation of black speech.  Since I am not representing black speech here such usage would not be appropriate.  

you keep using the term intentionally to trigger
I beg your pardon, RM, but you brought the word up- not me. :
"With Airmax as site president you can even use the n-word."

There's no valid argument that you are triggered by a word but not triggered by its abbreviation.  They both point to the same semantic meaning.

I replied: 
"I don't know how we are supposed to  seriously discuss ethnic slurs like nigger, their history in our language and how they are used to signal intentional offense without first being at liberty to type the word out. "

Not only did I not use it to offend, I carefully placed it in the context of ethnic slurs.  That is, I wasn't even talking about any specific ethnic slur but arguing against the substitute use of such words as a fetishization of language- making offensive words more powerful by being afraid to use them.

in a context that isn't actually about or towards black people so I am not sure why you think I am personally insulted or disregarded.  I know black people who even for your usage of it in this forum would be offended and insulted. I am not such a person, though I do find it very distasteful/offputting.
And yet you are representing black opinion here, for some reason.   I have no way of knowing or verifying skin color in a social media environment like this and I don't believe in modifying my opinion or language use according to skin color anyway.  Why do you?

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Can't say GAY bill.
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Drag Queen story hours are still happening in Florida because nothing in this bill does anything to try to stop it.
Isn’t it possible that this is because the bill has not become law yet?
No.  I linked to the text of the bill. As I stated above the law makes no mention of libraries or drag queens.  The new bill amends existing legislation regarding student health to require teachers to notify parents about kids who come out at school and prevents teachers from "encouraging " discussion of  LGBT issues in school.    GP's Drag Queen Story Hour article is an unrelated three year old incident from another state that right wingers quote with astonishing frequency when and wherever LGBT rights are discussed. 
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Fauxlaw would have you beat there.  I am younger than you. 
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Can't say GAY bill.
women who exhibit the kinds of toxic masculinity required to be a leader usually end up destroyed by their own gender.

Got that,  readers?  Would you teach your daughters this ?




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The bill mandates that new “comprehensive sex ed” classes must include 
Colorado does not mandate sex ed in any school.  And only 19% of schools teach sex ed in 9th grade and only 38% of high schools teach the "comprehensive sex ed" covered by this bill.   This bill says that if you do teach sex ed you can't exclude gay kid's health.  Colorado teaches abstinence only before high school.

That is Florida teaches sex ed  to kids way earlier than Colorado does.

All that other pervy stuff about showing porn to elementary school kids is only happening in your imagination.
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Drag Queen Storytime....
Straw man.

The Florida bill does not address public libraries and does not address drag queens.  Drag Queen story hours are still happening in Florida because nothing in this bill does anything to try to stop it.  You are just shoving two random gay stories together and shouting "fixed it!"
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@Lunatic
That is, you don't disagree on any particular point.  Comprehension is not what you are about- you are only here to insult. 

Got it. 


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@RationalMadman
A white person can literally not use the N-word without offending
I am a white person.  I have used the word nigger in the forum six or seven times. 

Let's define the word offense as "a perceived insult to or disregard for oneself"

Please explain why you feel insulted or disregarded by my usage in this forum.
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@Lunatic
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Were saying the same thing, you are just using more words ;-)
I'll repeat,

 To say as much demonstrates your misunderstanding

If you think we are saying the same thing than you have failed to comprehend.
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@Lunatic
Like I said, he knows a lot of black people so he gets the N word pass lol
More accurately, when you live in communities that include lots of black people, you learn how to speak the word without giving offense.  When RM says, "Go and say it to black people for real then talk big" I guess I felt challenged to establish that I had no  race-specific fears in that respect.

As I stated in the first sentence of my OP " I oppose any restriction on any particular word" so no, I don't believe that people have to earn the right, or "pass" as you would  put it, to use particular words.  To say as much demonstrates your misunderstanding.   As I stated, substituting "N-word" gives the word extra power- as if there's not some way to use the word nigger without giving offense, but that is false.  That is the road to school districts banning Huckleberry Finn or Native Son just because those novels use the word.  That is making the word nigger a fetish.

Everybody in the US has the right to use the word nigger at any time but with that right comes the responsibility to use the word correctly.  To my thinking,  if you are afraid to use the actual word but willing to use the substitute word then that is likely because:

  • You are ignorant of how to use the word without offending or
  • You don't know how to justify your usage to the Karens who pretend at offense without cause or
  • You wish to offend but fear the consequences of giving offense.





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Part of the problem is that it’s impossible to explain to a young child what “gay” or “transgender” is without also exposing her to concepts that are not appropriate for pre-pubescent children
This is obviously false.  Only Greyparrot feels the need to talk about anal sex when explaining to kids what gay means.  This is like saying you can't discuss heterosexual marriage without first  discussing how to stimulate the clitoris.  Only a perverse mind would insist that specific sex acts must be discussed in any explanation of human attraction or coupling.
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A bill prohibiting sex education to kindergarteners
False.  Sex education does not begin in FL school until 6th Grade at the earliest.  The majority of schools don't begin sex education until 9th grade.  This law does not adjust the teaching of sex education in any way.

has had about 10% truthful coverage, and 90% fake news. Even the president lies about this bill.
Let's be sure to note that GP started lying about this bill in his first sentence.  

If we can't trust news on something as small as a State bill protecting kindergarteners, we surely can't trust them covering anything else. Especially the fall of Ukraine.
Let's apply the same standard to GP's regular and  deliberate campaigns of disinformation and lies.

"Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."
In spite of GP's direct quotes neither this text or any similar appears in the bill.  Greyparrot has a real problem with direct quotes, it seems.

Here's the bill

What it actually says:

  • schools must notify parents if there is a change in the student's services or monitoring related to the student's mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being
    • (this is already established law in FL)
  • schools may not withhold from a parent information about his or her student's mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being, or a change in  related services or monitoring, or that encourage or have the effect of encouraging a student to withhold from a parent such information, unless a reasonably prudent person would believe that such disclosure would result in abuse, abandonment, or neglect.
    • So if a child confides in a teacher something that child does not want their parents to know, this bill compels teachers to notify parents against the wishes of the child.  I don't have a problem with this generally although I do object to big govt. inserting its big nose into matters that teachers generally handle very discretely and competently.  Republicans claim they oppose big govt. interference when it comes to privacy but bills like this expose the lie of such claims.
  • schools may not encourage classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students.
    • So if children ask their teacher why only men get to Be President of the United States, that teacher may not reply without risking a lawsuit.
  • Parents can sue if they think teachers have "encouraged classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity"
I think parents have a responsibility to teach their children about sex and that teachers need only teach the basic biological facts about the time kids hit puberty.  This law does not address sex education at all  but seems designed to muzzle teachers from any discussion about LGBT civil rights and allow parents to sue teachers who do. 

Most constitutional scholars advise that this bill is unconstitutionally vague and offers no real legislative change, it just gives ignorant folks like Greyparrot yet another chance to falsely claim that FL now prohibits sex education in  K-5 in an election year, when that was nobody was ever doing that.

This effectively ends the pedo ring of men dressing up as women for Kindergarten storytime to get a chubby around little kids.

Every word of this sentence is a lie.  Greyparrot's fantasies about men's erections are exclusively that, Greyparrot's fantasies.
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Should the world become one nation?
 then about 1.2 billion people would move to the US
I think I would prefer to lose the power advantage.  My Rocky Mountains are already full to capacity.

 India is an American ally, so there would still be western dominance.
sort of.  US hypocritically opposed Indian independence until the end of  WW2 and then heavily preferred Pakistan for most of the Cold War.  Trade and democracy have brought the US and India closer but I'm not sure we are forgiven yet.
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@Athias
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No.  Your associate had her say and now she must deal with the consequences of her free speech.
You've now provided an exclusion to her free speech.
How so?

Suppose, you had a sign in front of your house which bore the statement "No calling my spouse a bitch." That renders the speech of each person who enters your home subject to this exclusion less they face the consequences.
The First Amendment is a restriction on government interference, not personal interference.  If I had a sign on the front of my house that said " don't call my wife a bitch" that in no way impedes anybody's Free Speech.

You however could call your spouse a bitch because its your home. And that's my point: you should be able to say whatever you want as long as you're on your own property. If you're on someone else's property, then your speech is subject to their criteria (e.g. yelling "fire" in a movie theater.)
Well, that's not your First Amendment right but I do call that correct behavior- your home, your rules, whether or not you actually own the house.
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TRUMP'S YELLOW PERIL: Steele's "pee tape" report remains neither proved nor disproved
I'm seeing a number of people on this site refer to the Steele Dossier's reports that Russia possessed a tape of Trump consorting with prostitutes and requesting a "golden shower" display.

Let's recall that nobody claims that this allegation is proven by the evidence.  Obviously, any claim that takes place behind closed doors is difficult to prove or disprove and any event in Moscow that is of interest to the Russian dictator is tightly controlled.  Steele himself estimates the testimonies he gathered are only likely to prove 70-90% factual.  Unless and until an authentic  pee tape surfaces, the allegation will be remain unproven.  Likewise, unless and until Putin's storehouses of compromat are made entirely available, the allegations can't be disproved. 

As FOX News puts it:  "Some of the assertions in the dossier have been confirmed. Other parts are unconfirmed. None of the dossier, to Fox News's knowledge, has been disproven."

The claim is that Trump hired five prostitutes to piss on a bed in the Ritz-Carlton Moscow because the Obamas had slept in that bed when Obama gave his New Economic School address and that Russian Intelligence had videotape of the event.

Supporting evidence:

  • Seven sources reported the event independent of each other
  • Trump is known more making rather elaborate displays of his hatred for Obama
  • Trump is known for hiring prostitutes when he is travelling without his wife and family
  • Prostitutes are readily, famously available from the lobby of the Ritz-Carlton.
  • Russian Intelligence has demonstrated control over operations, including pimping, in the Ritz-Carlton Moscow.
  • Earlier the same year, Trump visited "The Act," a Las Vegas strip club owned by Russian friends of Putin, along with those friends and several close associates including his lawyer, Michael Cohen.  Cohen has testified under oath that Trump delighted in a staged display of golden showers
    • The Act was closed later the same year for violating Las Vegas' decency and sanitation regulations and was well known for a golden showers act
    • Paparazzi confirm that Trump and his Russian friends closed the club and remained inside for several hours
    • The same Russian friends were staying at the Ritz-Carlton Moscow on the night of the alleged pee tape
  • On Oct 30, 2016- the day before the Steele Dossier went public, Trump's real estate agent in Moscow working on the Trump Tower deal texts Michael Cohen:
    • "stopped flow of tapes from Russia but not sure if there's anything else. Just so you know .."
    • Cohen has testified that he discussed the tapes with Trump long before any public information emerged although Cohen mostly asserts attorney/client privilege regarding details
    • Trump's bodyguard Keith Schiller has confirmed that Russian business associates offered Trump the company of five prostitutes on the night in question.  Schiller claims to have rejected the offer on Trump's behalf but this corroborates the dossier's number of prostitutes.
  • James Comey relates in his book that Trump was obsessed with the pee tape and asked him to publicly refute that specific event on at least four different occasions during Comey's short tenure.  Comey notes that Trump was in possession of several details regarding the event that were not pubic knowledge..
  • The Mueller Report confirms that all through 2016, Trump's people were highly interested in an incriminating tape possessed by Russia, long before any public allegation of a tape emerged but offers no insight towards the content of that tape
  • Israeli and Australian Intelligence agencies confirm they were tracking the same allegation before the Steele Dossier emerged
  • Trump himself keeps talking about the event in public and unprompted, indeed in highly inappropriate settings- evidence of a guilty conscience
    • Trump's frequent denials are suspiciously off-point
      • Before it was confirmed that Trump paid Stormy Daniels hush money just before the election, Trump's go-to denial was "Do I look like a man who needs to buy a prostitute?"  Not a denial.
      • After Stormy, Trump switched to "I'm a germaphobe, I wouldn't let anybody pee on me" Since the Dossier in no way suggests that Trump was anything but a spectator, this is also not a denial.
      • Trump has never directly denied the accusation

What evidence disproves this item discussed in Steele's dossier?


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I don't know why anybody would think the pee tape has been disproved.  I think I'll start a separate thread to find out.
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Biden is Putin's best buddy.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if in the future we learn that Biden had given Putin the nod and wink to invade the Ukraine while telling  President Zelenskiy   that the US would support him militarily.
You are clearly ignorant of the fact that when Biden calls Putin both sides are recording the call and there's 25-30 people listening in  and taking notes on Biden's side- including Republicans.  If Biden ever made any such offer, we would know of it pretty quickly.  Only Trump ever tried to suppress a phone call to a head of state and in spite of all his threats and a full court press by his lawyers that call was leaked within hours, lead to a massive wave of resignations particularly within the Ukrainian diplomacy team and correctly lead to Trump's swift impeachment.
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@Athias
You invite an associate over to your home. That associate calls yours your spouse a bitch. You, in response, tell said associate to get his/her ass out of your home. Have you curtailed his/her First Amendment rights?
No.  Your associate had her say and now she must deal with the consequences of her free speech.
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Clearly, GP feels no responsibility to his thesis or making any good faith reply to your arguments.  When GP loses an argument, which is always, he just changes the subject.
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Should the world become one nation?
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What if every country except Russia and China initially join the world nation, we sanction the Russian and Chinese oligarchs until they give up their power, and then get Russia and China to join once they are sanctioned into submission?
I think the UN should be run this way now-  no UN representation, no world trade org, no world health org, etc UNLESS and UNTIL you are a free and fair democracy.  Non-democratic members of UN works from a diplomatic point of view but its no way to run a govt.

Also, how would a one world nation lead to American decline?
  • US would no longer be a superpower with the advantage accorded therein
  • US would no longer be leader of the Free World with the advantages accorded therein
  • US is only 4.2% of world pop.  Obviously, the priorities of China and India would dominate any real global democracy at the disadvantage to US priorities.

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If we are going to use the UN for government than we will need to substantially re-write that organization's structure.  There's  no point trying to build a just global society when dictators like Putin or Xi have a veto.  Likewise, all member states would need to constitutionally  agree to free and fair elections, and  guarantee univeresal suffrage. Such a change would necessarily lead to a near term decline for America but if global govt. could enforce a more effective response to the challenge of global warming then it might be a worthwhile trade-off.
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I wonder about how COVID is spreading through Eastern Europe right now.  Ukraine and Russia have the lowest vax rates in Europe and were reporting all-time high transmission rates before the war put an end to such reports in mid-Feb.  I haven't seen any reporting but I would assume given mass migrations, absence of distancing, cold, wet weather, etc that COVID is exploding out from this region right now.  If a deadly, highly transmissible version emerges it could have a major effect on how this invasion plays out.
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Putin has sent his lambs to get slaughtered.
In two weeks, Russia has already lost more soldiers than US  lost in Afghanistan or Iraq over 20 years.  The Russian loss rate is higher than US sustained during the worst weeks of Vietnam.  This has to be an incredible shock to the Russian military.  Putin has publicly denied that any conscripts are in the war but now that  the dead and captured are turning out to be draftees, the military is admitting what Putin wont.  

Unlike Afghanistan or Vietnam, millions of citizens of the invading nation share a long border and a language  with the people being invaded.  There's no way to effectively  hide the nature or the scale of the losses from the population.  Russian hospitals in the far west must be overwhelmed with casualties right now. 

At present rates, the Russian army will lose cohesion fast.  My assumption is that if Russia can't force a surrender or highly advantageous peace before Orthodox Easter, than Putin is out within the year.  If Russian losses are so apparent that they can't be hidden during the annual May 9th Victory parade, Putin is out.  Honestly, I think Putin has built a deathtrap for his dictatorship and then stepped right in it.
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@Athias

I was taught this lesson by black people.    Most of my elementary school teachers were black.  In high school, my principal was Bobby Seale's little sister.  I went to a small city college where I studied black poetry and black literature.  I was an apprentice baker to a black woman for two years.  I live in the oldest largest black neighborhood to be found west of Chicago and east of LA.  My little townhouse was owned by Black Panthers in the 60's and by Crips in the 80's and as a center of black politics many famous black people have walked down my street and shook the hands of the black people who lived in my house- MLK, Lena Horne, Sammy Davis, Jr.,  etc.  My next door neighbor is a black poet.  I've had black lovers and black friends all my life.

I learned how to write and speak the word nigger from Richard Wright and Langston Hughes and Zora Neale Hurston and above all, from James Baldwin.
So you've paid your dues, and became an honorary so-called "Black" person?
No.  The topic sentence of the paragraph is "I was taught this lesson by black people."  followed by examples of the ways I rec'd that instruction.  Your inferences are not warranted by the words I wrote.

I agree there should never be any racial restriction for the usage of any word.  Much simpler to simply allow everybody to use every word.
I believe anyone should be able to say whatever they want as long as they own the property on which they say it.
Well that would represent a significant curtailment of First Amendment rights for most Americans.  Only 24% of Americans own any property and 75% of those are white people.  If you can only say what you want on your own property that significantly amplifies the voice of the white and wealthy while diminishing the influence of non-wealthy non-white voices.

...or when gay men like me use the slurs queer or faggot.  I have long advocated for using queer as a preferable one syllable catch all instead of the tiresome LGBTQetc, in spite of Larry Kramer's objections.
Terms like Nigger, faggot, kyke, dyke, spic, dick, bitch, etc. roll off of the tongue so easily that they produce euphony, especially in charged moments. "Queer" does not have the same impact. 
Disagree.  As a poet I find queer far more pleasing to speak and rhyme than faggot as well as more inclusive and with a stronger semantic history-  the association is "odd" as opposed to "wood for burning"  Faggot definitely caries some implications of effeminacy that queer does not imply.

I assume nobody would prefer LGBT to queer on the grounds of euphonic advantage.

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Real talk on How America shaped Ukraine.
I concur that all the American neo-NAZIs, KKK, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, skinheads, CI, etc should immediately volunteer to join to Azov Brigade in Mariupal.  Best idea I've heard all year.
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Real talk on How America shaped Ukraine.
Best sourced article I've ever seen GP post.   I think it is important for Americans to understand that the US Govt. has been playing counterintelligence games in Ukraine for more than 20 years to frustrate Putin's influence and agitate Ukraine to the European cause.  I think all observers can agree that Putin has done more in the last two weeks to make Ukrainians European than the US has accomplished in 2 decades of spy games.
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We are now dealing from a position of extreme weakness where both Maduro and Iran can extract the most favorable deals that won't benefit American interests at all, essentially creating new threats to replace old threats.
The best move would be to cut back our oil usage dramatically on a wartime footing.  The US is 5% of the world's population consuming 20% of  of daily oil production.  We can easily afford to cut way, way back on our oil consumption- eliminating Saudi Arabian imports too and still using three times more than the avg. person globally- work from home, improve civic infrastructure to prioritize pedestrians, bikes, scooters, etc.  We don't need to wait for a President to tell us how, we should just cut back and relieve some of the burden of foreign entanglements.
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I suppose your next move will be to claim Psaki is a Russian puppet. The delusion is off the charts here.
It a simple question.  Why would you ever consult the Russian government for information about a White House press conference?  Why go to a Serbian reporter for information about a Canadian meeting in parliament?  Why seek foreign sources when more reliable sources offer first-hand accounts with the advantage of fact-checking?  I'm no fan of FOX News but even FOX News has more investment in getting the facts right than Putin.  Putin is obviously more invested in distorting the facts reported by enemy govts.

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I never understood a single reason (not one single reason) why black people need to use the N-word nor why gay people need to use the F-word etc.
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ROFL. the delusion required to believe Russia fabricated that press conference.
Never said fabricated.  I said that you went to Putin as your primary source on a WH press conference and now you are bitching about people believing foreign propaganda when nobody is more guilty of that sin than you.

I was right to avoid you since you seem to have cognitive issues.
You used to just call me retard.  Let's note that you have never avoided and consistently post replies to my comments.  It is yet another lie of yours to say you avoid me when in fact, you block me because you  lack the capacity to defend your consistently false claims.

I will accept as conceded because of non-response:

  • Putin is not the inevitable victor in Ukraine
  • Putin is more Ahab than Biden (you really suck at interpreting  English language literature)
  • Biden has done nothing to aid Putin. 
  • Trump did everything he could to aid Putin.
  • You are more reliant on foreign generated fake news than any debater I've ever met on this site or DDO.


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Not simply that it's cost effective, but that it's objectively cost prohibitive to get bogged down in yet another war we have no hope of winning. It's beyond the concept of the cure simply being worse than the virus since the virus has essentially already won here.
So in your mind, Putin is already the victor in spite of every independent report stating the opposite?  Why?

Again, there is only one thing a leader needs to focus on and that is his people first.   I take it you got the Moby Dick reference?
Objectively, Putin is far more of an Ahab than Biden.  Putin gives zero fucks about the Russian people and is hell bent of revenging Ukraine's separation from the collapsing Soviet Union.  Biden is wise to seek checks on isolated, belligerent, conqueror-tyrants with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world at his disposal.  Only the very worst of Presidents would fail to see such precautions as a legitimate  high priority national security duty.

Why is it all of a sudden convenient to declare Biden's actions bad only now and not a year ago when he was making policies to enrich Russia and increase our dependence on him to maintain affordable oil? Seems to me that if the premise of "helping Putin" was bad on it's face, People would have been outraged a year ago.
False.  Everybody understood Hitler to be an evil dictator but we sold that evil regime oil and coca-cola and ignored his ToV violations and loaned him money to build his armies in the hopes that Germany would be content with controlling the most dominant economy in eastern Europe and Northern Asia.  We learned from Hitler that land hungry dictators are never content.  I'm not aware of action Biden has taken during his year in office that might be construed as helping Putin or enriching Russia or increasing our dependence.  Quite the opposite and quite the contrast from his Putin lovin' predecessor who you seem to admire.

The point of this thread was to force people to see that glaring oversight since most of them were caught up in the propaganda that Biden was objectively "not-Trump" and that "Trump was Putin's buddy"
That is not propaganda.  Trump's own closest foreign policy advisors testify that Trump was an absolute fool for Putin.

 That's a major problem right now in America. That Americans can be so easily fooled by foreign propaganda as long as it's convenient for maintaining political power until it bites them in the ass.
You and sadolite are the only users on this site who consistently and unapologetically reference foreign propaganda.  Just recently, I've  caught you going to Serbia for fake news about proceedings in the Canadian Parliament and quoting  Putin's personal "Russia Today" for information about a Jen Psaki WH press conf.  I've have never seen any user more reliant on reports published by the Russian govt. than you.  Try American!

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your position was and hopefully still is that helping Putin is bad.
I've never seen GP say a bad word about Putin.  I'm not certain that he is allowed to.
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 "What white people have to do is try to find out in their hearts why it was necessary for them to have a nigger in the first place. Because I am not a nigger. I'm a man. If I'm not the nigger here, and if you invented him, you the white people invented him, then you have to find out why. And the future of the country depends on that. Whether or not it is able to ask that question.  Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed if it is not faced."

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Elsewhere, Kon Artist (of D-12) had this to say about Eminem: “That nigga ain’t white. He got white in him, but he ain’t white” (Toure 70). In The Eminem Show, black rappers accompany Eminem in only three songs. But in two of these songs (“Drips” and “When the Music Stops”), his black helpers repeat the “N-word” a total of ten times. Therefore, it’s OK to have his minions use the word but it’s not OK for Eminem to do likewise. In Nigger: The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word, Kennedy contends that by refusing to use the “Nword” Eminem is “following a prudent course” (51). But this conclusion seems unwarranted given two of Kennedy’s other points. First, Kennedy says that to condemn whites for using the word “without regard to context” makes the word a fetish (52). Second, he writes that many whites yearn to use the word like their black rapper heroes who have given the term “nigger” a “new currency and enhanced cachet” (45). Eminem’s context is gangsta rap and Eminem’s hero is Dre. Prudence does not enter into either qualification.

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Big talk.
This is a debate site.  Talking big is what we do.

Go and say it to black people for real then talk big.
I was taught this lesson by black people.    Most of my elementary school teachers were black.  In high school, my principal was Bobby Seale's little sister.  I went to a small city college where I studied black poetry and black literature.  I was an apprentice baker to a black woman for two years.  I live in the oldest largest black neighborhood to be found west of Chicago and east of LA.  My little townhouse was owned by Black Panthers in the 60's and by Crips in the 80's and as a center of black politics many famous black people have walked down my street and shook the hands of the black people who lived in my house- MLK, Lena Horne, Sammy Davis, Jr.,  etc.  My next door neighbor is a black poet.  I've had black lovers and black friends all my life.

I learned how to write and speak the word nigger from Richard Wright and Langston Hughes and Zora Neale Hurston and above all, from James Baldwin.

I think it is pointless to allow the word even if the user is black IRL because it would require doxxing to properly moderate like that.
I agree there should never be any racial restriction for the usage of any word.  Much simpler to simply allow everybody to use every word.

It is like when LGBT use the slur Dyke. It is futile and rude in a self-deprecating manner.
...or when gay men like me use the slurs queer or faggot.  I have long advocated for using queer as a preferable one syllable catch all instead of the tiresome LGBTQetc, in spite of Larry Kramer's objections.

There is fun in trolling, sadistically and rebellion-wise but...
Disagree.
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There weren't really World Wars previously.

That's just how things were recorded for Western Posterity.

There were some very big wars for sure, that sadly drew a lot of poor suckers in from around the globe......But chiefly centred around old European political  machinations......Just as we see today.....Europe and Russia still wallowing in the past.....The similarities between Vlad and Adolf's states of mind, are obvious.

And for sure, the Japs had their own little dig.

It all made for great patriotic films though.
Well, there are no qualifications for such a moniker.  If we applied a reasonable standard such as "war fought on 6 continents and 3 oceans" then the 7 Years War (that we call the French and Indian War) was the first World War rapidly followed by the War of the American Revolution which was the Second World War.  I agree that the the War of 1914-18 was probably not quire a World War but the Rise of the Axis would certainly be World War 3.

I think for twenty years after 1918, people all over just called it the Great War and swore they'd never see its like again but when WW2 surpassed the Great War it felt feeble to call it Great War 2 so the old war got a refit and a recontextualization as a prequel to cataclysm.
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McDonald's, Coke, and Starbucks pulling out of Russia
The principle value of this move is quiet but unmistakable pro-Western propaganda.  In a country where Putin has announced up to 15 years sentences for anti-war protesters or for supporting Western sanctions or confirming Western war reporting, suddenly removing all these popular Western franchises confirms the war  and the crisis Putin denies for the uninformed and misinformed.

There are 847 McDonalds in Russia.  I don't know how popular they are or what they represent to Russians but I once visited a McDonald's on Grafton St. and was surprised by how popular it seemed.
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Biden is Putin's best buddy.
THESIS:  BIDEN is DUMB for BUYING RUSSIAN OIL

(Biden stop buying Russian oil, thesis disproved)

NEW THESIS: BIDEN is DUMB for NOT BUYING RUSSIAN OIL




We could spared so much argument if GP only developed an appropriate sense of shame.

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What consequences are they gonna face if they take Taiwan? We gonna sanction them and literally shoot our selves in the foot?

Biden promised on his first day in office that any attempt to invade Taiwan would mean war. 
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I think that we could realistically switch to almost entirely green energy in 20 years without all of the growing pains.
The IPCC says we have 7 years to cut global greenhouse emissions in half to avoid +1.5C increase by 2050.  The US outputs 28% of those emission so if we just brought our global contribution to climate down to our fair share (5%) of pollution by 2030 we'd be halfway to that goal, but that would mean reducing our current output by better than 80%.  Very doable,  totally essential to long term human survival but profoundly unpopular with the  "freedom convoy" set.  

Still, if we are of roughly the same mindset (I agree that super safe nuclear is probably an essential component) and the main difference is between a 7 year timeline vs a 20 year timeline then I call that a difference with which we can proceed and see how plans play out.

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Can't wait for 4 more years of DeSantis derangement syndrome.
I agree that DeSantis is a much more viable candidate- how is DeSantis going to get past Trump without pissing off Trump voters?
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So why do I get the feeling that GP will change nothing about his stance,
I think it has been clear for a long time that GP is not the master of his own thought processes.  His stances will change but not by reason. 
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America should be trying to become as self-sufficient as possible. 
Agreed.  Screw Iran.  Fuck Venezuala.  I reduced my annual mileage by 90% just by working from home last year.  Walmart has a fleet of self-driving EV trucks ready to drive.  Let's leave the combustion engine behind and expand into non-global warming non-war making techs asap.
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Agreed.  I believe in absorbing that power and reflecting it right back at the assailant. 
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I have no problems with transitioning to EV, but it was foolish for Biden to shoot ourselves in the foot to try to force our hand in the manner (assuming he is Machiavellian and not just dumb).
Democrats (at least those in non-oil producing districts)  have been calling for an end to the oil economy since the Santa Barbara disaster of 1969 and the 1973 Oil Embargo.  Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the White House and Ronald Reagan made their removal a priority.  Clinton and Obama invested in clean energy.  Bush invented a war to make sure the US increased its dependency on foreign oil.  Trump rolled back more than 100 Obama Era clean energy initiatives and actively supported new pipelines in the Middle East, Europe, and North America.

Stopping construction of the pipeline would have lowered our dependence on Russia and would have given us breathing space to transition to EV instead of forcing our hand.
?  Biden halted the XL pipeline with a stroke of a pen.  Biden actively opposed Nord Stream since he was a Senator in 1997 and as a VP on behalf of Ukraine but US has little influence in that deal.  Not sure how you could fault any Democrats before faulting most Republicans on pipeline construction.

Now we have to scramble to get our supply chains ready, and it will be a much messier switch than we had hoped ($4+ gas prices, expensive/limited quantities of electric cars)
Blame do nothing ever  Republicans and the oil companies that finance their campaigns.  85% of oil money donations went to Trump in the last campaign.  Oil has been a top 5 industry GOP campaign donor since the 1960s.  GOP policies have always favored big oil as a result.

And this is all assuming that our companies will pay higher than the slave wage prices they currently do from China, another reason we lost production. We can start another trade war, but I’m not sure the old timer is up to it
One advantage of coming late to the rare metals game is that we can extract those resources cleaner and cheaper than China in the long run if we pay more up front.   US tech has already designed functional prototypes for every type of automated machine required to mine.  We could build miner-free mines that create plenty of high tech jobs on the surface but require little to no high risk exposure to the actual mines.  It would cost more up front but then we could be outstripping China in terms of output and environmental impact within a decade.  Let's also remember that most rare earths are highly recyclable and such programs might provide a significant alternative to extraction.

Let's do this.  The price of gas was always going to increase forever until nobody can afford it anymore.  Might as well push up the timeline and make the transition now.  Reserve our oil for defense, which is going to take a much longer time to transition to effective renewables, and for plastics- we are going to need a lot of plastic in the future.
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That's GP in a nutshell:  always wrong and never learning from his mistakes


By ZEKE MILLER, MIKE BALSAMO and JOSH BOAK

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden has decided to ban Russian oil imports, toughening the toll on Russia’s economy in retaliation for its invasion of Ukraine, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The move follows pleas by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to U.S. and Western officials to cut off the imports, which had been a glaring omission in the massive sanctions put in place on Russia over the invasion. Energy exports have kept a steady stream of cash flowing to Russia despite otherwise severe restrictions on its financial sector.

The White House said Biden would announce on Tuesday “actions to continue to hold Russia accountable for its unprovoked and unjustified war on Ukraine.”
The U.S. will be acting alone, but in close consultation with European allies, who are more dependent on Russian energy supplies. The European Union this week will commit to phasing out its reliance on Russia for energy needs as soon as possible, but filling the void without crippling EU economies will likely take some time. Natural gas from Russia accounts for one-third of Europe’s consumption of the fossil fuel. The U.S. does not import Russian natural gas.

The issue of oil sanctions has created a conflict for the president between political interests at home and efforts to impose costs on Russia. Though Russian oil makes up only a small part of U.S. imports, Biden has said he was reluctant to ban it, cutting into supplies here and pushing gasoline prices higher.

Inflation is at a 40-year peak, fueled in large part by gas prices, and that could hurt Biden heading into the November midterm elections. He said two weeks ago that he wanted “to limit the pain the American people are feeling at the gas pump.”

Gas prices have been rising for weeks due to the conflict and in anticipation of potential sanctions on the Russian energy sector. The U.S. national average for a gallon of gasoline soared 45 cents a gallon in the past week and topped $4.06 on Monday, according to auto club AAA.

Even before the U.S. ban many Western energy companies including ExxonMobil and BP moved to cut ties with the Russia and limit imports. Shell, which purchased a shipment of Russian oil this weekend, apologized for the move on Tuesday amid international criticism and pledged to halt further purchases of Russian energy supplies. Preliminary data from the U.S. Energy Department shows imports of Russian crude dropped to zero in the last week in February.

In 2021, the U.S. imported roughly 245 million barrels of crude oil and petroleum products from Russia — a one-year increase of 24%, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

“It’s an important step to show Russia that energy is on the table,” said Max Bergmann, a former State Department official who is now a senior fellow at the Democratic-leaning Center for American Progress.

Bergmann said it wasn’t surprising that the U.S. was able to take this step before European nations, which are more dependent on Russian energy.
“All of this is being done in coordination, even if the steps are not symmetrical,” he said. “We are talking to them constantly.”

The news of Biden’s decision Tuesday was first reported by Bloomberg.

The White House announcement comes amid bipartisan pressure on Capitol Hill to ban Russian energy and impose other economic costs.
Last week, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi gave a big boost when she declared, “Ban it.”

On Monday, Democrats on the powerful Ways & Means Committee posted, then removed, an announcement on a bipartisan bill to ban Russian oil imports and slap further trade sanctions on the country, according to an aide, because of pushback from the White House to acting before Biden had made his decision.

Pelosi told Democrats in a meeting early Tuesday that the House would go forward with a vote on legislation to ban the Russian oil imports, according to a person granted anonymity to discuss the private caucus meeting.

“The United States economy can fully handle any of the challenges associated with higher oil prices,” Jason Furman, a Harvard professor and former top economic adviser to President Barack Obama. “But it will bring some challenges. We’re going to have higher prices at the pump, and there’s no way around that.”

Before the invasion, Russian oil and gas made up more than a third of government revenues. Global energy prices have surged after the invasion and have continued to rise despite coordinated releases of strategic reserves, making Russian exports even more lucrative.

As a consequence of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the U.S. and international partners have sanctioned Russia’s largest banks, its central bank and finance ministry, and moved to block certain financial institutions from the SWIFT messaging system for international payments.

But the rules issued by the Treasury Department allow Russian energy transactions to keep going through non-sanctioned banks that are not based in the U.S. in an effort to minimize any disruptions to the global energy markets.

Biden specifically highlighted those Russian energy carve-outs as a virtue because they would help to protect U.S. families and businesses from higher prices.
“Our sanctions package we specifically designed to allow energy payments to continue,” he said. Biden’s actions Tuesday were not expected to affect other nations’ energy payments to Russia.

While Russian oil makes up a small amount of overall U.S. energy imports, the U.S. could replace Russian crude with imports from other oil-rich nations, but that could prove politically problematic.

Key U.S. senators are warning the Biden administration from seeking any oil import deal from the Nicolas Maduro regime in Venezuela.

“The Biden administration’s efforts to unify the entire world against a murderous tyrant in Moscow should not be undercut by propping up a dictator under investigation for crimes against humanity in Caracas,” said Sen. Bob Menendez, D-N.J., the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, in a statement late Monday. “The democratic aspirations of the Venezuelan people, much like the resolve and courage of the people of Ukraine, are worth much more than a few thousand barrels of oil.”


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With Airmax as site president you can even use the n-word.

Good news.  As a Liberal I oppose any restriction on any particular word. I don't know how we are supposed to  seriously discuss ethnic slurs like nigger, their history in our language and how they are used to signal intentional offense without first being at liberty to type the word out.  Minced oaths and X-word references invoke the original slur just as effectively as the word itself while also implying a kind of semantic magic,  as if context is irrelevant and merely writing the word by itself has the power to offend.  Well, that's just self-censorship and as often happens when ideas are censored, gives the target more semantic power than mere usage might ever invoke.
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600 mil/day = 250 mil/year. Same thing, right? lmao. Feelings don't care about facts.
250 is on the slightly high side of correct.  3..7% of our total consumption.  Let's get rid of our drug dealers and kick our oil habit for good, shall we?


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China may become the antivillain of the war if it switches to actively condemn Russia. It takes one change of mind and it's done.
I think China can read the strategic map as well as any and come to the same conclusion:  there's no probable scenario where this ends well for Russia.
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