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LISTENING WIND
Mojique sees his village from a nearby hillMojique thinks of days before Americans cameHe sees the foreigners in growing numbersHe sees the foreigners in fancy housesHe thinks of days that he can still remember... nowMojique holds a package in his quivering handsMojique sends the package to the American manSoftly he glides along the streets and alleysUp comes the wind that makes them run for coverHe feels the time is surely now or never... moreThe wind in my heartThe wind in my heartThe dust in my headThe dust in my headThe wind in my heartThe wind in my heart (come to)Drive them awayDrive them awayThe wind in my heartThe wind in my heartThe dust in my headThe dust in my headThe wind in my heartThe wind in my heart (come to)Drive them awayDrive them awayMojique buys equipment in the market placeMojique plants devices in the Free Trade ZoneHe feels the wind is lifting up his peopleHe calls the wind to guide him on his missionHe knows his friend the wind is always standing... byMojique smells the wind that comes from far awayMojique waits for news in a quiet placeHe feels the presence of the wind around himHe feels the power of the past behind himHe has the knowledge of the wind to guide him... onThe wind in my heartThe wind in my heartThe dust in my headThe dust in my headThe wind in my heartThe wind in my heart (come to)Drive them awayDrive them awayThe wind in my heartThe wind in my heartThe dust in my headThe dust in my headThe wind in my heartThe wind in my heart
-David Byrne
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THE HOLLOW MEN
"Mistah Kurtz-he dead"
"A penny for the Old Guy"
I
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us-if at all-not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.
II
Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death's dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind's singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.
Let me be no nearer
In death's dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer-
Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom
III
This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.
Is it like this
In death's other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.
IV
The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms
In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river
Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death's twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.
V
Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.
Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
Life is very long
Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
-TS Eliot
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Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
Guy Fawkes and his companions
Did the scheme contrive,
To blow the King and Parliament
All up alive.
Threescore barrels, laid below,
To prove old England's overthrow.
But, by God's providence, him they catch,
With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
A stick and a stake
For King James's sake!
If you won't give me one,
I'll take two,
The better for me,
And the worse for you.
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
A pint of beer to wash it down,
And a jolly good fire to burn him.
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!
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@sadolite
-->@oromagi"So you think Trump's own appointees are conspiring and making up falsehoods together" Sure why not, Lots of people who he thought he could trust threw him under the bus and stabbed him in the back while he was President. 2/3 of Republican representatives and Senators did everything they could to try and sabotage anything he tried to accomplish.
Well, we know that's not true or Trump would have been impeached as soon as it was revealed that Trump knew Flynn was a secret Russian agent before he made him the top spy in the country. No Congress has ever been given better causes for impeachment, yet the GOP covered their ears and bowed their heads ashamedly not one but twice.
People in govt will say and do anything to keep their govt jobs. I have seen it time and time again, just look at history and how quickly politicians will throw each other under the bus. This is no different. This woman is doing what she is being told to do to keep her job.
So you are ignorant of the fact that Birx is no longer in government. Unsurprising. Remember that BIrx had to be a Trump acolyte to get appointed in the first place and at his command oversaw the worst pandemic in US history with the most per capita deaths of any nation in the world in spite of having the finest pandemic response team in the world. Why would you suppose BIden would keep her on? Biden replaced BIrx with Fauci who told the truth in the face of Trump's antipathy and refused to kowtow as Birx did.
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@ILikePie5
-->@949havocI love how he left out that more people died from COVID under Joe Biden this year even with the vaccine being fully developed.
I enjoy how you just tell lies for the love of your bad orange man.
That is not yet true but since Trump failed to prevent a long pandemic, coronavirus is now endemic like the flu and so your claim must eventually prove true.
That factoid that Tucker is touting and that you are getting wrong is that 2021 deaths now exceed 2020 deaths. But nearly 50,000 American citizens died in those last three weeks of Trump's administration while Trump was exclusively engaged in trying to steal the election.
number 752,000 total - 392,428 Trump's = 359,572 Biden's
Therefore, another 30,000 anti-vaxxers must die before your claim becomes true.
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@Mharman
Hi Mharman!
Nice to see your name, again. Can we get an Ant of the Day?
-->@oromagiThat's it? Just some "she said this about Trump" and "she said that about Trump"?
That's not it at all. The most senior official in charge of the pandemic testified behind closed doors and under oath that Trump caused the deaths of ten of thousands of citizens, the majority of them Trump voters, by relying on misinformation generated by an ill-informed radiology and not to the hundreds of pandemic experts at his command and standing ready with far more accurate information.
Would you believe an allegation against a coworker with no questions asked if another coworker told you about it?
If that co-worker was a virologist with 30 years experience saying that if the boss doesn't let some people go home sick, the whole office is going to be disabled by the flu, and that boss ignore the virologist and then the whole office is soon disabled by the flu then, yes, I would believe her allegations made under oath in court. I sure would.
Speaking of which, what even is the allegation here? That he picked the wrong policy, that he was a buffoon, or that he was actively malevolent?
Birx is a scientist and Trump made her famous. I don't think Birx would call Trump a buffoon or malevolent, however objectively true your characterizations.
Birx testified that Trump sought and adhered to a lot of misinformation, mostly brought to him by one ill-informed, politically-motivated, radiologist and FOX News personality Scott Atlas.
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@Reece101
- It looks amazing.
- I disagree with Scientific American campaign to get the telescope renamed.
- Is the E-WEB heavy repeating blaster also named after James E. Webb?
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@zedvictor4
Scroll back 1600 years, into the even dimmer past.
1600 years past the Gunpowder Plot, you mean. For a second there, I though you were talking about Atilla the Hun
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@sadolite
-->@oromagi
The scientists are not funded by Trump, they are funded by the govt that hates Trump.
So you think Trump's own appointees are conspiring and making up falsehoods together to make their own administration look lethally incompetent just to annoy their old boss?
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@sadolite
-->@oromagiStatistics show that 97% of scientists agree with those who fund them.
Well then, you must concede the point, since the scientist in the OP was working for the Trump Administration. Deborah Birx is well motivated to downplay the American Carnage of her boss' administration so we must assume that 300,000 is about as low a scientist with a reputation to maintain is willing to go.
By your own cynical axiom, Birx is 97% likely to be representing the most pro-Trump estimate available.
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@sadolite
Yeah, sorry, but I was not going to compose an original beginner's guide to statistics for your benefit.
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@rationalmadman
POST#18
Truly, dude. I did not even notice your pic until you brought it up
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makes me feel good on my Wikipedia worshipping ass
I, too, am a big fan of Wikipedia
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You got an issue with me having a guy fawkes pic,
False. I had not even noticed your profile pic until you pointed it out. As I said yesterday, I'm putting up a Guy Fawkes profile pic tomorrow. I have no objection to your use of Fawkes' likeness, even in the misconceived modern context. Greyparrot said that Jan 6th traitors were victims like Guy Fawkes, which led me to assert that Guy Fawkes was no victim.
You can fuck off with this utter bullshit calling me a poster boy for Trump
Paranoid delusion
or trying to troll me into feeling I can't have my beautiful profile pic, you have not had a good-looking avatar since you joined the website, get some taste.
I have no interest and have expressed no interest in your profile pic. Whatever feelings you are having about this conversation have nothing to do with me.
Please note, since this conversation has strayed far from fauxlaw's OP, I have started a new TOPIC for any continuation of this thread.
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@sadolite
A BEGINNER's GUIDE to STATISTICS
By Courtney Taylor
How many calories did each of us eat for breakfast? How far from home did everyone travel today? How big is the place that we call home? How many other people call it home? To make sense of all of this information, certain tools and ways of thinking are necessary. The mathematical science called statistics is what helps us to deal with this information overload.Statistics is the study of numerical information, called data. Statisticians acquire, organize, and analyze data. Each part of this process is also scrutinized. The techniques of statistics are applied to a multitude of other areas of knowledge. Below is an introduction to some of the main topics throughout statistics.Populations and SamplesOne of the recurring themes of statistics is that we are able to say something about a large group based on the study of a relatively small portion of that group. The group as a whole is known as the population. The portion of the group that we study is the sample.As an example of this, suppose we wanted to know the average height of people living in the United States. We could try to measure over 300 million people, but this would be infeasible. It would be a logistical nightmare conduct the measurements in such a way that no one was missed and no one was counted twice.Due to the impossible nature of measuring everyone in the United States, we could instead use statistics. Rather than finding the heights of everyone in the population, we take a statistical sample of a few thousand. If we have sampled the population correctly, then the average height of the sample will be very close to the average height of the population.Acquiring DataTo draw good conclusions, we need good data to work with. The way that we sample a population to obtain this data should always be scrutinized. Which kind of sample we use depends on what question we’re asking about the population. The most commonly used samples are:
- Simple Random
- Stratified
- Clustered
It’s equally important to know how the measurement of the sample is conducted. To go back to the above example, how do we acquire the heights of those in our sample?
- Do we let people report their own height on a questionnaire?
- Do several researchers throughout the country measure different people and report their results?
- Does a single researcher measure everyone in the sample with the same tape measure?
Each of these ways of obtaining the data has its advantages and drawbacks. Anyone using the data from this study would want to know how it was obtained.Organizing the DataSometimes there is a multitude of data, and we can literally get lost in all of the details. It’s hard to see the forest for the trees. That’s why it’s important to keep our data well organized. Careful organization and graphical displays of the data help us to spot patterns and trends before we actually do any calculations.Since the way that we graphically present our data depends upon a variety of factors. Common graphs are:
- Pie charts or circle graphs
- Bar or pareto graphs
- Scatterplots
- Time plots
- Stem and leaf plots
- Box and whisker graphs
In addition to these well-known graphs, there are others that are used in specialized situations.Descriptive StatisticsOne way to analyze data is called descriptive statistics. Here the goal is to calculate quantities that describe our data. Numbers called the mean, median and mode are all used to indicate the average or center of the data. The range and standard deviation are used to say how spread out the data is. More complicated techniques, such as correlation and regression describe data that is paired.Inferential StatisticsWhen we begin with a sample and then try to infer something about the population, we are using inferential statistics. In working with this area of statistics, the topic of hypothesis testing arises. Here we see the scientific nature of the subject of statistics, as we state a hypothesis, then use statistical tools with our sample to determine the likelihood that we need to reject the hypothesis or not. This explanation is really just scratching the surface of this very useful part of statistics.Applications of StatisticsIt is no exaggeration to say that the tools of statistics are used by nearly every field of scientific research. Here are a few areas that rely heavily on statistics:
- Psychology
- Economics
- Medicine
- Advertising
- Demography
The Foundations of StatisticsAlthough some think of statistics as a branch of mathematics, it is better to think of it as a discipline that is founded upon mathematics. Specifically, statistics is built up from the field of mathematics known as probability. Probability gives us a way to determine how likely an event is to occur. It also gives us a way to talk about randomness. This is key to statistics because the typical sample needs to be randomly selected from the population.Probability was first studied in the 1700s by mathematicians such as Pascal and Fermat. The 1700s also marked the beginning of statistics. Statistics continued to grow from its probability roots and really took off in the 1800s. Today, it’s theoretical scope continues to be enlarged in what is known as mathematical statistics.
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The MISUNDERSTOOD LEGACY of GUY FAWKES
Every year, Britain commemorates the notorious Catholic conspirator’s failed plot to blow up the Houses of Parliament. Elsewhere in the world, his reputation is much different.
By Yasmeen Serhan
“Remember, remember the fifth of November,” the old British rhyme goes.
For more than 400 years, Britain has remembered. Every year on this day, fireworks are set off, bonfires are built, and effigies are burned to commemorate the failed 17th-century plot by a group of English Catholics to blow up the Houses of Parliament—with the country’s entire political establishment and reigning Protestant monarch, King James I, inside.
But for an event rooted in remembrance, what has come to be known here in Britain as Guy Fawkes Night (named after one of the key plotters) could not be further removed from it. Today, the annual ritual is more festive and fun than religious and monarchical. Even Fawkes himself has taken on new meaning, becoming best known around the world not as a would-be religious extremist and terrorist, but as a populist hero. His life has been romanticized in film, his likeness has been preserved in masks, and his legacy has morphed into an almost mythical tale of anti-government rebellion, anarchy, and subversion.
How we remember Fawkes, as both a person and a symbol, presents a case study for how the meaning of historical events can be bent to serve the religious, political, and cultural needs of the present. But it also presents a fundamental question about how much is too much historical alteration. By turning people into symbols, do we run the risk of changing them into someone they weren’t?
The Guy Fawkes celebrations are, paradoxically, rooted in his failure. Though born into a Protestant family in York, in the north of England, Fawkes converted to Catholicism in his teens. At the time, Catholics suffered severe repression across the country and were barred from voting, holding public office, and owning land. The religious persecution prompted Fawkes to leave England for the Netherlands, where he served in the army for Catholic-ruled Spain. As he rose in the ranks, Fawkes became notorious for both his skill as a soldier and his handling of explosives—a talent that caught the eye of a fellow English Catholic, Robert Catesby. It was Catesby who crafted the plan to blow up the Houses of Parliament during their State Opening on November 5, 1605—an act he and his group of plotters hoped would be enough to wipe out the ruling elite and install a new Catholic monarch, ushering in an end to Protestant rule.
Of course, it never came to that. On the eve of the plot, authorities conducted a sweep of the Palace of Westminster’s cellars, where they discovered Fawkes with enough gunpowder to destroy the building twice over. “That would have [not only] killed everyone in Parliament, but the whole Westminster area would have been destroyed as well,” Nick Holland, the author of The Real Guy Fawkes, told me. “It would have been the biggest terrorist act in British history.”
Upon discovery, Fawkes and his co-conspirators were taken to the Tower of London and interrogated—though Fawkes notably didn’t reveal a thing. It was only after the king authorized the use of torture that authorities were able to extract a confession. Fawkes was found guilty of high treason and executed in Westminister’s Old Palace Yard, mere yards away from the building he had tried to bring crashing down.
In the immediate aftermath of his execution, Fawkes was widely regarded as “a huge villain,” Holland said. Guy became a pejorative term used to describe someone as grotesque (though nowadays the word simply refers to a man or a person). Londoners lit bonfires to celebrate King James’s survival, and an annual day to commemorate the thwarted plot was enacted into law, with observance made compulsory. This became the precursor to the modern tradition of bonfire celebrations, complete with effigies, or Guys (a ritual that has since expanded to include famous figures such as British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, President Donald Trump, and the disgraced Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein).
But Fawkes’s reputation didn’t stay this way. In the centuries since, his memory has morphed from one of a religious extremist to one of a populist underdog—a shift that has been attributed in large part to the serialization of his life in the British graphic novel turned film V for Vendetta. Set in a future dystopian Britain ruled by a fascist government, the Fawkes-inspired character, known simply as “V,” bears little resemblance to his historical counterpart. Whereas the real Fawkes was driven by religious aims, the masked, knife-wielding V lashes out against his enemies for the purpose of bringing down the fascist state. They both share the goal of bombing the Houses of Parliament as a catalyst for their ultimate aims, though where Fawkes fails, V succeeds.
Perhaps the starkest difference between the two is that whereas V emerges as a heroic martyr acting for the greater good, Fawkes is first and foremost seen as a traitor acting in the interest of a radical few. “He may have wanted religious freedom, but it’s unlikely that if he was in a position of power, he would have extended that freedom to his religious enemies,” Alastair Bellany, a professor of history at Rutgers University, told me. “He wanted a Catholic kingdom.”
It’s not just the 2005 film that shifts Fawkes’s image in the zeitgeist. The mask popularized in V for Vendetta soon emerged in anti-government demonstrations worldwide, from the 2011 Occupy Wall Street movement to protests in Bahrain, Thailand, and Saudi Arabia. The mask also become the symbol of the hacktivist group Anonymous. James Sharpe, the author of Remember, Remember: A Cultural History of Guy Fawkes Day, told me that even the Guy Fawkes Inn, a York pub located across the street from where its namesake was baptized, swapped its original portrait of Fawkes for one of the iconic mask. “The modern perception, the mask, and so on is a complete reconfiguration of Fawkes,” Sharpe said.
David Lloyd, the British artist and illustrator who designed the V for Vendetta mask, said the iconic image is open to interpretation. “It’s an all-purpose badge of protest and rebellion,” he told Britain’s Daily Telegraph in 2015. “The smile can be interpreted as eternal optimism, of course—which is something essential to the survival of protesters everywhere.”
In this populist age, where protesters the world over are taking to the streets and ballot boxes to voice their discontent with the status quo, perhaps the emergence of a Fawkes-like symbol is necessary. But in amplifying one narrative about the historic figure, we risk losing the other.
“People will hold him up as a symbol of whatever they want to believe in,” Holland said, “but we’re getting further and further away from the man that he was.”
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@RationalMadman
->@oromagiYou seem to be incapable of grasping abstract concepts at this point. It's like you literally think there was no left-wing or right-wing to politics before the phrases to describe the sides of politics were invented.
Yes but more specifically, before the notion of natural human rights was popularized. The Left/Right distinction is nonsense before the notion of individual civil rights came to be.
I am defining RIGHT here as "Complying with justice, correctness or reason; correct, just, true."
It's like saying until we had the word 'lemur' there was no lemur, it's just ridiculous but I'll let you play around with this nonsense.
More like knowing that word LEMUR comes from the Latin for ghost, so if you come across a reference older than 1758 the author is likely thinking of ghosts and not primates. Calling Fawkes a left-winger is an anachronism- applying a more modern conception to a less modern actor.
There's always been left-wing vs right-wing dynamics in politics. Always has been and always will be.
If we agree that the left/right distinction was defined at the Tennis Courts of Paris as a human rights/property rights distinction of priority and we agree with Wikipedia when that encyclopedia explains:
Ancient peoples did not think of universal human rights in the same way we do today. The true forerunner of human-rights discourse was the concept of natural rights which appeared as part of the medieval natural law tradition that became prominent during the European Enlightenment. From this foundation, the modern human rights arguments emerged over the latter half of the 20th century.
17th-century English philosopher John Locke discussed natural rights in his work, identifying them as being "life, liberty, and estate (property)", and argued that such fundamental rights could not be surrendered in the social contract. In Britain in 1689, the English Bill of Rights and the Scottish Claim of Right each made a range of oppressive governmental actions, illegal.
Then we see that in Fawkes time, any right a subject might claim was ultimately derived from the Monarch who derived her right from God. You can't claim that Fawkes secretly believed that human rights preceded property rights because no contemporary fact supports that claim and indeed the notion of human rights was not popularly understood. Nor do any of Fawkes known activities support the notion that Fawkes had any concern for the lives or freedoms of non-Catholics. You like the popular use of the Guy Fawkes as an Anarchist symbol so you anachronistically assume Fawkes would share some of your political outlook.
Ancient Egypt was the epitome of right-wing politics and is one of the oldest civilisations in existence.
Another silly anachronism. All rights in Ancient Egypt were held by an elite group of Royal householders who derived their authority by claiming descendancy from Gods. There is no evidence of any concept of citizenship, individual property rights, or natural human rights. To say that Ramses II was a right-winger and Moses a left-winger would be to apply the square pegs of modern political distinctions to the round holes of ancient religious belief.
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@RationalMadman
-->@oromagiI don't know how anyone could apply left/right dichotomies to societies before liberty, equality, fraternity took root.Liberty and equality are not always the same thing, it's why I don't agree with crossing over 'progressive' with 'liberal'.
Liberty and equality are two very different things that together make the pillars of liberalism. A King can be free but not equal. A prisoner can be equal but not free.
Progressivism is the pursuit of social reform and improvement. Prince Charles is Progressive but he's no Liberal. Boris Johnson is Liberal but he's not particularly Progressive.
Left-wing is the wing that is pro-sharing wealth and pro-balancing things out in more ways than one.
Left WIng/Right WIng were formally defined by the newly formed French National Assembly in 1789.
The Left Wing prioritizes human rights before property rights. Left-wingers aren't necessarily pro-sharing wealth.
The Right Wing prioritizes property rights before human rights.
Right-wing is the wing that is pro-keeping what one has (whether rightly earned or not)
Property rights.
and pro de-balancing things in favour of whichever tribe/clan/lineage/corporation (yes, corporation even) one associates with.
That is tribalism, nationalism, racism, jingoism, etc. One can be a right wing nationalist without necessarily seeking advantage for some sub-group.
Guy Fawkes certainly was right-wing in ways but one cannot simply dub him as that, he had left-wing and sheer wingless liberalism as motives.
Guy Fawkes was an English Subject and not a lord. He essentially had no human rights the State was bound to respect. Civil Rights for English citizens were first established in 1689. Fawkes did not believe that Protestants and Catholics should be equal before the State. Fawkes did not believe that the King or his subjects should be free to practice Protestantism or indeed be free from Papal oversight. Therefore Fawkes was no Liberal.
Fawkes felt he was justified to murder hundreds and provoke civil war in the pursuit of enforcing a uniform religious belief in England. Therefore, Fawkes failed to respect even the most basic human right- life. Therefore, Fawkes was no Left-winger.
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@RationalMadman
Sure, semantics.
That is what "by definition" means. I don't know how anyone could apply left/right dichotomies to societies before liberty, equality, fraternity took root.
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@RationalMadman
-->@oromagiPeople who stand for Liberty don't murder people for the wrong religious belief.The agenda was to eliminate oppressors of a religion from the perspective of Fawkes. You are saying in your perspective the ruthless way they treated Catholics and tried to eradicate Catholicism weren't the real focus, you believe that the Prostestantism itself was the focus.
Because that is the more accurate assessment. Consider: James I was the most Catholic and pro-Catholic King since the Reformation took hold one hundred years before. James' parents were Catholic- he was baptized Catholic and never re-baptized in an Anglican Church. Some of his kids were Catholic- his son and heir Charles I would be beheaded forty years later for being too Catholic. James tried hard to marry the Spanish Intifada to become part of the most prominent Catholic family in Europe. His actual Queen remained secretly Catholic for the rest of her life. Many of James' closest friends and advisors were Catholic. James was far and away the most Catholic tolerant Protestant sovereign of his age.
Fawkes wasn't trying to kill James because of increased intolerance, rather Fawkes was a radicalized soldier seeking to exploit James' tolerance to Catholic advantage (the plan was to replace James with his Catholic daughter Elizabeth). Yes, intolerance was a real concern for Catholics in this age but James' ascension was the best news that English Catholics had received in a long time.
After the failed coup, there was a marked increase in anti-Catholic violence for a time but that too, was discouraged and suppressed by James' court.
Your outlook isn't what people who use the mask as a profile picture generally believe, they see the tyranny as the focus.
Because of V for Vendetta and the adoption of the mask by Anonymous, not because of any historical interest or fact.
You can throw a hissy fit all you want, I'm free to use the image and couldn't give a shit if you think it's an icon of Trump.
I can't honestly say I noticed you were using Fawkes for your profile, I was reacting to GreyParrot's depiction of Fawkes as victim of injustice and relating him to Jan 6th seditionists. In fact, I was thinking of doing a Guy Fawkes theme for my new profile this Friday and now almost feel like I've got to. I had not considered Fawkes as an icon of Trump or Trumpism (can you think of a group of people more ignorant of history?). I suppose both Trump and Fawkes are democracy hating terrorists powered by treasonous acts from the very center of govt. but I think of the present Guy Fawkes mask wearers as mostly anti-Trump- part of the Anonymous and Anarchist movements. I certainly saw many Fawkes masks during the Floyd protests of '20. I did also see a few on Jan 6 but as I said, that bunch ain't exactly thinkers.
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@RationalMadman
Actually, the king at the time and England at the time were far from Democratic,
Which in no way contradicts my assertion, " the most Democratic institution in the world at that point."
You could probably make a good argument that the textile unions of Flanders or the nascent Iroquois nation was more Democratic but on a much smaller scale. In an age when Hapsburgs and Bourbons and Tudors were enslaving huge chunks of the world, Parliamentary checks and balances on the British Monarchy served as effective models and prequels for Locke and the enlightened experiments that were to follow.
If you are so triggered by a Guy Fawkes mask, I couldn't care less.
If by TRIGGER you mean "A concept or image that upsets somebody by sparking a negative emotional response," I'd call your presumption unfounded.
He stood for wingless liberty in general
Bullshit. Fawkes was a monarchist and a papist- he just wanted to control by violence the religion of that monarch. People who stand for Liberty don't murder people for the wrong religious belief. Fawkes is far more akin to Osama bin Laden than John Locke. Yes, Catholics and then Anarchists and then Hollywood all revived his reputation for their own political purposes but almost all of that is just propoganda.
Read Nick Holland's The Real Guy Fawkes or some other work of researched biography for the facts. Just because you enjoyed V for Vendetta doesn't mean Guy Fawkes is magically transformed into a freedom fighter any more than enjoying Braveheart makes William Wallace a freedom fighter. Think for yourself- don't believe the hype.
but at the time was more allied to those on the Right Wing.
By definition, the entire world was right-wing before the Declaration of Independence.
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Guy Fawkes was a self-admitted Spanish secret agent and Catholic terrorist who came just minutes away from assassinating the King and most of parliament by bomb for believing in the wrong religion, which would likely have brought on the civil war 70 years earlier. He was certainly guilty of betraying his country, King, and the most Democratic institution in the world at that point.
So, yes, a very apt poster boy for the Trump-besotted treasons of Jan 6th.
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@bmdrocks21
-->@thett3The fact that Virginia is in play is about as shocking as Virginia’s descent into deep-blue territory was.If Rs lose, it’s time for western Virginia to merge with West Virginia 🔥
That would be quite the journey. West Virginia seceded from Virginia because Virginia seceded from the Union.
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@FLRW
"All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing. And stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved." Donald Trump Jan 6, 2021
Right on. If there's one trend in US politics that is clear as lightning, its that one party has rejected Lincoln's "Of the People, By the People, For the People" and that party is Lincoln's GOP.
- You can't say you believe in govt. by the people and then punish local govts for mask mandates
- You can't say you believe in govt of the people and then lie about the results of free and fair elections
- You can't say you believe in govt for the people and then oppose every infrastructure and working class tax credit that get proposed
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@sadolite
gouge your fucking eyes out.
No, thanks!
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So....why play coy about abortion stats? Will you be stating a thesis soon?
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@949havoc
I have never purported that your lack of clarity is itself a right-wing conspiracy, although both obscure correspondence and faith in conspiracy are symptoms resulting from undisciplined reason.
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Tell me what has increased to over 1,000,000 incidents again this year
farts
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- HR109 never advanced in the Senate and so failed as a bill to become law.
- Why are you doing a three year interim report on a bill that was introduced two years ago?
- Why are you doing a countdown on a bill that died in the Senate two years ago?
- talk about your straw man arguments- "let's critique the current, short-term effectiveness of a public policy proposal that was never enacted!"
- I think most renewable advocates accept that the transition will take 50 years, whether or not we choose to exceed our max carbon budget .
- The number one carbon saving measure we could take right now is kill all coal and switch to natural gas. Coal currently adds 90% of all new carbon emissions and we could easily get rid of all coal burning in 10 years
- Then run on natural gas for 20 years while we bring nuclear online
- Then run on nukes for 20 years until renewables are preponderant and reliable enough to replace non-renewables
- (pretty much the way Sim City taught us to futurize our energy network 30 years ago)
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@949havoc
You will have to guess my topic.
As always. You should precede this sentence with "As always,".
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@sadolite
-->@oromagiSo your response is irrefutable ....and the reason people died is a direct result of something Trump did.
It is irrefutable that poor decisions got some Americans killed, although I suppose you could say that about just about every US President.
and the numbers are indisputable
The numbers are highly disputable. 300,000 dead is the Trump Administration's own super low ball estimate.
You would bet your life on all of these things.
That 300,000 number is such a low ball that there is no degree of stakes that would intimidate me.
Or would you like to recant
No
and say its a political narrative that you want people to drink like Kool-Aid.
You do understand that the Kool-Aid analogy only applies to the side of the equation where people are dying, right? If drinking the Kool-Aid was the best and only non-lethal antidote to potassium cyanide poisoning then your analogy would be made valid and drinking Kool-Aid the most obvious course of action.
You know as well as I do this is complete made up political BS.
What noun does the pronoun "this" represent in this sentence?
How could you ever prove why people died and how many.
Statistical analysis.
You cant. Its complete BS .
what noun does the pronoun "its" represent in this sentence?
You are a never ending unoriginal political talking point. Nothing you say is of your own mind and thoughts when it comes to anything having to do with politics. Kinda like a collage student regurgitating their professors political diatribes.
In my experience, professors often hold the most experienced and deeply thought out opinions in their particular fields of study. I would highly recommend that you seek the wisdom of more college professors in your own search for the truth.
Make sure to gouge your eyes out.
no thanks?
You are as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning.
Intellectual consistency is a virtue in the academic world. Again, I recommend you try it.
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@n8nrgmi
-->@oromagisadolite isn't the type to listen to reason. he thinks what he thinks, and you can't change any of it.
It almost goes without saying. If one were subject to reason, one would not be anti-vax. There is no rational counterargument to good hygiene in hospitals.
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The black and green scarecrow as everyone knowsStood with a bird on his hat and straw everywhereHe didn't careHe stood in a field where barley growsHis head did no thinkingHis arms didn't move except when the wind cut upRough and mice ran around on the groundHe stood in a field where barley growsThe black and green scarecrow is sadder than meBut now he's resigned to his fate'Cause life's not unkind, he doesn't mindHe stood in a field where barley grows
-Syd Barrett
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I could while away the hours,conferrin' with the flowersConsultin' with the rain.And my head I'd be a-scratchin'while my thoughts were busy hatchin'If I only had a brain.I'd unravel every riddlefor any individ'le,In trouble or in pain.With the thoughts I'd be a-thinkin'I could be another LincolnIf I only had a brain.Oh, I could tell you whythe ocean's near the shore.I could think of things I never thunk before.And then I'd sit, and think some more.I would not be just a nuffin'my head all full of stuffin'My heart all full of pain.I would dance and be merry,life would be a ding-a-derry,If I only had a brain.Gosh it would be awful pleasin'to reason out the reason,for stuff I can't explain.And perhaps I'll deserve ya,and be even worthy 'erv ya,if I only had a brain.When a man's an empty kettlehe should be on his mettle,And yet I'm torn apart.Just because I'm presumin'that I could be kind-a-human,If I only had heart.I'd be tender - I'd be gentleand awful sentimentalRegarding Love and Art.I'd be friends with the sparrows ...and the boy who shoots the arrowsIf I only had a heart.Picture me - a balcony.Above a voice sings low.Wherefore art thou, Romeo?I hear a beat.... How sweet.Just to register emotion,jealousy - devotion,And really feel the part.I could stay young and chipperand I'd lock it with a zipper,If I only had a heart.Yeh, it's sad, believe me, MissyWhen you're born to be a sissyWithout the vim and verveBut I could show my prowessBe a lion, not a mouseIf I only had the nerveI'm afraid there's no denyingI'm just an awful dandy-lionA fate I don't deserveI'd be brave as a blizzardI'd be gentle as a lizardI'd be clever as a gizzardIf the Wizard is a Wizardwho will serve
-Harold Arlen and EY Harburg
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@sadolite
-->@oromagiSo this is absolute fact and you would bet your eyes on it?
Actually, I'd be willing to take bets on much higher numbers of Americans killed for Trump's political advantage. Certainly, twice 300,000 is pretty easily proved. I don't think anybody would value my eyes above a few dollars but I'd certainly take 4 figure wagers on the question.
Or does it fit your political narrative and you want to try and get people to join in on your political narrative by posting something that fits your narrative?
If that political narrative is that Republicans are enslaved to the least moral man in the history of American politics then yes. And yes, I think that's something people should be thinking about.
It is impossible for me or you to prove one word of this.
Birx is criticizing her own administration and her boss' performance so it is not surprising that she is downplaying the magnitude of Trump's mismanagement.
- The 40% stat gets tossed around often because that is the difference between US and European deaths per capita from the virus. That is, if Trump had only been as bureaucratic and slow to act and politically weak-handed as the average European politician, we would have seen 40% fewer deaths per million than we did.
- That's sort of the base, easy to prove number. There's a good argument to be made that if Trump had halted all international flights when the scientist told him to (Feb 7th or any time before Feb 20th) and implemented stringent testing and quarantine, the pandemic might never have taken hold in the US and American deaths would be in the thousands rather than the hundreds of thousands.
- The oldest and best known medical journal in the world, The Lancet, is famously conservative and British, so less invested in US party politics.
- That journal estimates that the life expectancy of the average American declined by 3-4 years because of the Trump administration and lays a huge amount of destruction in global health policy infrastructure at Trump's doorstep even before the arrival of COVID-19
- The report found that Trump
- ·Politicised and repudiated science, leaving the US
unprepared for the covid-19 pandemic
- Eviscerated environmental regulation, hastening
global warming
- Incited racial, nativist, and religious hatred,
provoking religious and police violence
- Denied refuge to immigrants fleeing violence and
oppression
- Undermined health insurance coverage
- Weakened food assistance programs (pre-pandemic)
- Curtailed reproductive rights
- Undermined global health cooperation and started
tradewars
- Shifted resources from social programs to military
spending and tax benefits for corporations and the
wealthy
- Subverted democracy both nationally and
internationally
- That non-political entity estimates the number of easily preventable COVID deaths due to Republican malfeasance at 471,000 Americans dead.
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Hypocrisy suggests a different standard is applied to some but that is false for the example you provide.
Hospital workers are heroic in their fight to combat the pandemic whether or not they choose to be vaccinated but coronavirus is a highly infectious disease and the rules of basic sanitation and hygiene require us to minimize the risk of infection among the populations of highly vulnerable patients in hospitals. Hospital workers have to be able to look families in the eye and say they did everything they could to save their loved one. If some hospital workers are not vaccinated then that statement is obviously false.
A surgeon is heroic for cracking open the chest of a dying car accident victim and coaxing that victim's heart back to life. But if that same surgeon refuses to wash his hands after pooping because Donald Trump told him not to and the car accident victim dies of sepsis three days later- well, not only was all that prior effort wasted but an easily prevented death was not prevented for the stupidest reasons imaginable. Is the surgeon still a hero or is that question now more complicated?
Just because somebody is a hero one day and a fool the next doesn't mean that some standard must have changed. Humans are complicated and self-contradictory by nature. To quote the American Bard:
Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)
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are shotguns racist for gunning down young black men for jogging through white neighborhoods?
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@RationalMadman
I think the solution is to change up the options every game- number of zones, number of pre-played pawns, number of playable pawns, number of rounds are all variables that I'd prefer to change each game.
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If two players are interested in a game using the format from POST #31, I will run it.
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@949havoc
That was my first sentence. Does it really need a translation?
More of a grammar check, really. But first we need a fact check.
T%he Loudoun County, VA School Board is more interested in protecting a policy of gender neutrality of bathrooms than admitting to having had a sexual assault occur on their ground.
- This is the second time you've told this lie without bothering to refute my attempts to correct your falsehoods.
- There is no reliable evidence that there any gender identify issues in this case. The source of this information is the victim's father who has been politicizing and publicizing his daughter's assault all summer.
- Trump administration changes to Title IX reporting prevent principals and school boards from investigating until after criminal investigations are concluded- officially, nobody on the School Board had any information until this week.
- unofficially, the principal sent the school board a one sentence notification this summer that some sort of sexual assault had happened on campus and that he would advise when permitted
- The Title IX changes also require the school to continue educating the suspect until the County determines guilt or innocence. If you really need to blame somebody it should be President Pussy-grabber
- Normally, such a criminal investigation would have been processed before the new school year but COVID delays to DNA testing prevented a hearing on the case until late Oct.
- The Loudon County Sherriff asked the Principal not to contact parents or discuss the case, so you have no grounds for dissatisfaction with the School Board (except those are the only Democrats in this story).
That is, the school principal and the school board took all the action required by law. New federal protections for suspects requited by the Trump administration prevented the principal from notifying the school board or the parents of the event or prohibiting the suspect from attending school. Moving the kid to a different school was the best they were allowed to do by law.
- Zero cover up. When you say "cover up" you are repeating a lie for political gain without any evidence
- Zero gender identity. When you say "gender identity" in this case you are repeating an unsubstantiated rumor spread by an enraged and politically motivated family member.
- Please stick to established facts and please tell the truth about those facts, even when it makes Republicans look pro-rape.
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BIRX TESTIFIES that TRUMP's WHITE HOUSE FAILED to TAKE STEPS to PREVENT MORE VIRUS DEATHS.
By Michael D. Shear
- Oct. 26, 2021, 12:28 p.m. ET
Dr. Deborah Birx, who helped run the coronavirus pandemic response for former President Donald J. Trump, told congressional investigators earlier this month that Mr. Trump’s White House failed to take steps that could have prevented tens of thousands of deaths.In closed-door testimony before the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, Dr. Birx said that tens of thousands of deaths could have been prevented after the initial phase of the pandemic if Mr. Trump had pushed mask-wearing, social distancing and other efforts to slow the spread of the virus.“I believe if we had fully implemented the mask mandates, the reduction in indoor dining, the getting friends and family to understand the risk of gathering in private homes, and we had increased testing, that we probably could have decreased fatalities into the 30 percent less to 40 percent less range,” Dr. Birx testified, according to excerpts provided by the committee.The committee’s interview with Dr. Birx was conducted on Oct. 12 and 13. In her testimony, she also lashed out at Dr. Scott Atlas, a former Stanford neuroradiologist who became an adviser to Mr. Trump and advocated for allowing the virus to spread through much of the population in order to let otherwise healthy people build up immunity against it.
She told the committee that Dr. Atlas had relied on incomplete information to draw dangerous conclusions that she felt could have long-term consequences for people who were infected with the virus and got sick.“I was constantly raising the alert in the doctors’ meetings of the depth of my concern about Dr. Atlas’ position, Dr. Atlas’ access, Dr. Atlas’ theories and hypothesis, and the depths and breadths of my concern,” she said, referring to a group of doctors involved in the White House response who gathered regularly.Dr. Atlas did not immediately respond to an email sent Tuesday morning. But in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece last December, he continued to argue against lockdowns and other measures for containing the virus.“Lockdown policies had baleful effects on local economies, families and children, and the virus spread anyway,” he wrote.During her testimony, Dr. Birx said she repeatedly pushed Mr. Trump and others in the White House to do more to embrace efforts to mitigate the spread of the virus, especially in the fall of 2020. That was a period when Dr. Atlas was at the White House and Dr. Birx spent most of her time on the road, traveling from state to state to urge them to embrace prevention measures.Asked whether Mr. Trump did everything he should have to counter the pandemic, she said: “No. And I’ve said that to the White House in general, and I believe I was very clear to the president in specifics of what I needed him to do.”
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