oromagi

Trust wiki to be inaccurate

https://www.periodni.com/roman_numerals_converter.html

>@TheUnderdog

The problem is that America is a country where if you march with a rainbow flag, it is hard to say if the cops will harm you or not.

->@oromagi

The group’s agenda, originally to prevent another world war, is now defined as bolstering a consensus around free market Western capitalism and its interests around the globe. Participants include political leaders, experts from industry, finance, academia, and the media, numbering between 120 and 150.

That is literally what their critics say about them. Spreading capitalism is what their critics accuse them of. 

Not that it matters too much, you are kinda just accepting the most positive spin you can have, only because you like disagreeing with what I say.

The bilderberg groupings a threat to liberal democracy which you claim to support, because they meet in secret using Chatham house rules so they can maintain the secrecy, probably for reasons the general public would view as malevolent if they came to light,

and they dictate policies to american politicians. 

The list of topics at the 2019 meeting. The part of the list they will admit to anyway includes topics such as artificial intelligence,  China, Russia. Only one of the topics listed mentions economics.  

Why are you okay with policy decisions made by secretive NWO groups like the Bilderburgers and the skull and bones society in a liberal democracy anyway?

Was all that shit about liberal democracy just you kissing the ass of the elite, hoping that when their agenda is complete they will award you?

You will not be rewarded for simultaneously praising democracy while being fine turning a blind eye to secretive groups who look to subvert democracy. 

@oromagi

Why are you saying they pirated the domains LOL

The largest isogrammic numeral in the English language.

@oromagi

If there are no police at the protest, how will the gay rights protestors protect themselves? 

They might need the 2nd amendment.  I would love to see gay rights people also fly a "Don't tread on me" flag while carrying guns to protect from anyone that would beat them up for being gay (even though  the gays shouldn't worry about getting beat up by people).  We would start to see some bipartisanship at protests.

Why tf would you wear your cop uniform at a gay parade? Terrible fashion sense regardless...

"The sense of safety that law enforcement is meant to provide can instead be threatening, and at times dangerous, to those in our community who are most often targeted with excessive force and/or without reason. NYC Pride is unwilling to contribute in any way to creating an atmosphere of fear or harm for members of the community. The steps being taken by the organization challenge law enforcement to acknowledge their harm and to correct course moving forward, in hopes of making an impactful change.

"Effective immediately, NYC Pride will ban corrections and law enforcement exhibitors at NYC Pride events until 2025. At that time their participation will be reviewed by the Community Relations and Diversity, Accessibility, and Inclusion committees, as well as the Executive Board. In the meantime, NYC Pride will transition to providing increased community-based security and first responders, while simultaneously taking steps to reduce NYPD presence at events."

• I question the honesty of any person who pretends to be traumatized or afraid of harm from police marching in a pride parade.  I am a person who has been harmed and harried by police just for being gay but I have absolutely no difficulty separating those bad cops from the manifest good of cops marching as proud queer police or marching in solidarity with the gay community.  It takes no education to understand that the cops with anti-gay agendas don't participate in pro-gay celebrations.  NYC Pride is punishing uniformed queers and allies, who deserve better than most to be proud of the difficult work they do and the nasty prejudices they overcome to do it, for the faults of uniformed homophobes who'd never recognize the honor in marching.  NYC Pride is guilty of ignorant and self-defeating prejudice at best and active harm against unpopular minorities within the gay community at worst.
  
• NYC Pride commemorates a battle between the gay community and the police fought 52 years ago on the very streets of this weekend's parade route.  The fact that uniformed queers march openly at pride is a demonstration of the victory of the gay rights movement.  The fact that straight police march openly in solidarity with the gay community is another important victory.  That NYC Pride can't recognize the value and importance of such triumphs suggests that NYC Pride has dropped its eyes from the Prize.
  
• NYC Pride also suggests that they intend to privatize as much of the security and public safety functions as the city will allow, at substantially increased expense.  Less security at a higher price for an obvious and frequent target of political terrorism is a dangerous price to pay for a little misbegotten virtue signaled.  Naturally, the police will still be counted on the save marchers in the event of any real emergency, which ultimately demonstrates which community is remaining more faithful to peace and harmony and which is breaking that trust.
  
• I'd encourage police everywhere to tell NYC Pride to go fuck themselves with a 20 inch rainbow sparkle dildo and march anyway in full uniform, in pride and solidarity.  After all, who the hell is going to stop them?   The people who know what  it means to fight for civil rights also know how to tell good cops from bad cops and will always have the good cops' back.
  

@oromagi

How would the party who wants to erase borders and have one international community like in that John Lennon song imagine they all like, be the pro american party?

Republicans care about what's right and consequences of doing the right thing be damned.

If somebody buys a domain name from godaddy and sets up an anti american news site like CNN did than fine. It is their freedom. We support freedom of speech for everyone 

Tuesday's report says that Iran carried out a "multi-pronged covert influence campaign intended to undercut former President Trump's reelection prospects – though without directly promoting his rivals." Iran also tried to sow division in the U.S. and undermine Americans' public confidence in the electoral process.
"We assess that Supreme Leader (Ayatollah Ali) Khamenei authorized the campaign and Iran's military and intelligence services implemented it using overt and covert messaging and cyber operations," the report said. 

Why are you focused on economists. Prince Andrew is not an economist, the Clinton's aren't economists. The topics of discussion they publicly list are mostly not concerning economics.  

->@oromagi

Yeah, so official registrars like godaddy, then sell them to Iran. .coms are not owned by the United states government, but by verisign.  

If things are gray than you can not move and are caught in paralysis of analysis.  If you can't determine precisely the correct move, you shouldn't make one.  

@oromagi

It's secretive nature about the policy decisions made there is a confession of something darker.  Not to mention meeting in secret with international leaders to make policy decisions for the United states is illegal.  

@oromagi

, but if they buy and legally own a domain,  it shouldn't be stolen.  Are they even going top be refunded the money they paid godaddy for their domains? 

 The Bilderberg meeting (also known as the Bilderberg Group) is an annual conference established in 1954 to foster dialogue between Europe and North America. The group’s agenda, originally to prevent another world war, is now defined as bolstering a consensus around free market Western capitalism and its interests around the globe.

• I'm ok with US presidents fostering economic dialogue between Europe and N America
  
• I'm ok with US presidents working to prevent world war
  
• I'm ok with US presidents bolstering free market capitalism

What source can I blindly trust Oro?

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — American authorities seized a range of Iran’s state-linked news website domains they accused of spreading disinformation, the U.S. Justice Department said Tuesday, a move that appeared to be a far-reaching crackdown on Iranian media amid heightened tensions between the two countries.

The Justice Department said 33 of the seized websites were used by the Iranian Islamic Radio and Television Union, which was singled out by the U.S. government last October for what officials described as efforts to spread disinformation and sow discord among American voters ahead of the 2020 presidential election. The U.S. says three other seized websites were operated by the Iraqi Shiite paramilitary group, Kata’ib Hizballah, which more than a decade ago was designated a foreign terrorist organization. The group is separate from the Lebanese militant Hezbollah group whose news websites remained operational.

The website domains are owned by U.S. companies, but despite the sanctions, neither the IRTVU nor KH obtained the required licenses from the U.S. government before using the domain names, according to the Justice Department.

The Justice Department announcement came hours after the Iranian state-run news agency IRNA revealed the U.S. government seizures without providing further information.

The takedowns come as world powers scramble to resurrect Tehran’s tattered 2015 nuclear deal and just days after the election victory of Iran’s hard-line judiciary chief, Ebrahim Raisi. On Monday, Raisi, known for his hostility to the West, staked out a hard-line position in his first news conference. He ruled out the possibilities of meeting with President Joe Biden or negotiating over Tehran’s ballistic missile program and support for regional militias — concerns the Biden administration wants addressed in future talks.

Relations between Iran and the U.S. have deteriorated for years following President Donald Trump’s withdrawal from Tehran’s nuclear deal and the return of devastating sanctions on the country. That decision has seen Iran, over time, gradually abandon every limit on uranium enrichment. The country is now enriching uranium to 60%, its highest level ever, though still short of weapons-grade levels.

Iran provides support to militant groups in the region, such as Lebanon’s militant Hezbollah and Yemen’s Houthi rebels, as it seeks to wield its influence far afield and counter its foes.

On Tuesday, visiting the addresses of a handful of sites, including Iran state television’s English-language arm Press TV, Yemeni Houthi-run Al-Masirah satellite news channel and Iranian state TV’s Arabic-language channel, Al-Alam, produced a federal takedown notice. It said the websites were seized “as part of law enforcement action” by the U.S. Bureau of Industry and Security, Office of Export Enforcement and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

The U.S. government also took over the domain name of the news website Palestine Today, which reflects the viewpoints of Gaza-based Islamic militant groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad, redirecting the site to the same takedown notice.

Press TV, launched in June 2007, is the state-run Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting’s English-language service. Its Iran-based website, PressTV.ir, was not affected.

Most of the domains seized appeared to be “.net,” “.com” and “.tv” domains. The first two are generic top-level domains as opposed to country-specific domains, while “.tv” is owned by the Pacific island nation of Tuvalu but administered by the U.S. company Verisign. Seizing a domain on a major country-specific top-level domain such as Iran’s “.ir” would be apt to produce widespread international condemnation as a violation of sovereignty.

It’s not the first time that the U.S. has seized domain names of sites it accuses of spreading disinformation.

Last October, the Department of Justice announced the takedown of nearly 100 websites linked to Iran’s powerful Revolutionary Guard. The U.S. said the sites, operating under the guise of genuine news outlets, were waging a “global disinformation campaign” to influence U.S. policy and push Iranian propaganda around the world.

Yemen’s Houthi rebel group announced that its Al-Masirah satellite news channel went offline Tuesday without prior notice. It said the channel would continue in its mission of “confronting the American and Israeli acts of piracy against our nation, by any means.”

Responsibility for providing name service for the domain name presstv.com was apparently switched to an Amazon name server on Tuesday at mid-afternoon European time, said internet infrastructure expert Ron Guilmette. Cybersecurity researchers at RiskIQ found a total of 24 seized sites sharing the same Amazon name server.

There are no private television or radio stations in Iran. Satellite dishes, while widespread, also are illegal. That leaves IRIB with a monopoly on domestic airwaves.
Marzieh Hashemi, a prominent Press TV anchor who, in 2019, was arrested as a material witness in an unspecified criminal case and has appeared before a grand jury in Washington, told The Associated Press that the channel was struggling to “figure out the reasons” for the seizure.

While airing in Iran, Press TV focuses predominantly on international affairs through the lens of how leaders in the Islamic Republic see the world. Fierce criticism of British and American foreign policy is common. Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, IRIB has been in the hands of hard-liners who back Iran’s government.

Press TV has previously run into trouble with Western authorities over its reporting. The Anti-Defamation League has criticized the channel as “one of the world’s leading dispensers of conspiratorial anti-Semitism in English.”

Why is it a bad policy to believe the opposite of what liars tell you?

@oromagi

Why did 9 of the 12 people who viewed Weiner's laptop die?

Biden has announced that he is banning guns.

->@oromagi

• African American voters were placed on purge lists more often and more erroneously than Hispanic or white voters. For instance, in the state’s largest county, Miami-Dade, more than 65 percent of the names on the purge list were African Americans, who represented only 20.4 percent of the population. Hispanics were 57.4 percent of the population, but only 16.6 percent of the purge list; whites were 77.6 percent of the population but 17.6 percent of those purged.
  

Your source (whatever it is) states that AA are put on more erroneously but then proceeds to only show they are put on the purge list more often. If it was some Republican conspiracy to get minorities off the voter registration, you’d expect to see a large portion of Hispanics getting purged as well, since they also vote for the GOP less than half the time on average. (Except Cubans by a very slim majority)

Is it not possible that AA double register more often, are convicted of felonies more often, etc.?

Why are you jumping to alleging some conspiracy?

• I am not alleging conspiracy, I am reporting the Republican conspiracy as documented by a fair number of Federal, State, and Journalistic investigations over the years.
  
• The short version is that FL contracted out the voter purge files to a private data crunching firm.
  
• In 1998, they hired the lowest bidding contractor, Professional Services Inc and paid them $5,700 for a fairly typical voter purge list
  
• In 2000, they hired DBT Online (then run by a flashy well known former cocaine smuggler) in a no-bid contract and paid them $4 million for a gigantic purge list. (which appears to be why DBT's services were 70 times more valuable to the Republican Government)
  
• According to the Palm Beach Post (among other issues), though blacks accounted for 88% of those removed from the rolls, they made up only about 11% of Florida's voters.  Even before election day, country officials were finding chunks of thousands of perfectly legit black voters who were on the purge lists.
  
• The lists were so obviously fraudulent that 20 counties simply refused to use the list and conducted their own purges.
  
• The State used the same firm to try to purge lists in 2004 and were interdicted by Federal Courts.
  
• The ACLU sued Florida and Florida settled by agreeing to stop using contractors and use the ACLU standards going forward (thereby admitting the fault of the 2000 purge)
  
• The bipartisan US Commision on Civil Rights found "that the problems Florida had during the 2000 presidential election were serious and not isolated. In many cases, they were foreseeable and should have been prevented. The failure to do so resulted in an extraordinarily high and inexcusable level of disenfranchisement, with a significantly disproportionate impact on African American voters." and referred the violations to the US Attorney General's office for determination of liability (needless to say AG John Ashcroft never looked into his boss's brother's conduct)
  
• Investigations by the Miami Herald, LA Times, BBC, Vanity Fair, etc. documented thousands of legally registered black voters in FL who were incorrectly purged and denied access to voting booths on election day- in an election where Bush's margin of victory depended on 538 votes when counting was stopped by the Supreme Court.  There really is no question that Gov Jeb Bush's administration deliberately intervened to illegally block the votes of thousands of black people and that intervention alone caused reversed the majority of voter's choice of a Democratic president.
  
• Republicans had two good reasons not purge Hispanics:
  
• The Cuban (one third of Miami Dade) vote was reliably Republican and absolutely necessary to a Republican win in FL.  The purge had no way of distinguishing Cuban voters from other Hispanic voters but also
  
• More Hispanic voters supported Bush than any other Republican presidential candidate before or since (40%).  The GOP had good reason not to tamper with Hispanic voters.  The fact that Hispanic voters were barely purged at all reveals the deliberation used by the GOP in purging.

-->@oromagi

I think anyone who has studied the traumatic impact of the first SARS epidemic on China would be skeptical that China would deliberately re-invoke that disease for political gain.

Then you do not understand the manipulation by Chairman Mao in the Cultural Revolution which, among other goals, purged remnants of capitalism and traditional Chinese society in favor of Communism. Guess what economic system China has mimicked in the last 20-odd years; maybe more. They purged once; they can do it again, for political gain.

@Wylted

Did you know that Maryland and Illinois rank 1 and 3 respectively in the most gerrymandered districts?

• According to what criteria, I wonder?
  
• If we go by the Stephanopolous and McGhee efficiency gap (the current gold standard for measuring  the fairness of redistricting) and then rank states by the number of congressional seats stolen we see
  
• NC and PA both gain 3 Republican seats from corrupt redistricting
  
• MI, NY, and TX gain 2 Republican seats from corrupt redistricting
  
• 21 States gain 1 seat advantages from corrupt redistricting
  
• KS, NE, WV, UT, SC, IA, WI, VA, AL, IN, OH, GA, and FL all get one extra Republican seat
  
• NH, NV, CT, OR, MD, MN, MA, IL get one extra Democrat seat
  
• So if we eliminated corrupt redistricting nationally, 25 GOP house seats would likely flip Dem, and 8 Dem seats would likely flip GOP giving the Republicans a 17 seat corrupt advantage at the expense of free and fair elections in 2020, a concern that the GOP frequently pretends to prioritize
  
• So its more accurate to say that  MD and IL are in 21 way tie for third most gerrymandered states.
  
• We might also note that Former GOP Speaker of the House for 8 years  and convicted child molester Dennis Hastert drew the districting for Illinois in 1993 when a 3 judge Federal court tossed out the Democratic redistricting plan and Illinois has not successfully redistricted since.  So we can also blame Republicans for at least one of the Democratic advantages.
  

Hell no. She reeeeeeks of establishment. She can’t energize anyone either. I’d rather stay home than vote for her. Establishment GOP can go get head from Establishment Dems

• Not a kritik because not a policy argument- there's no establishment to challenge
  
• Not semantic because the counter is not questioning the meaning of the condition to be proved: happy
  
• I'd say that B's challenge is an accusation of anthropomorphic fallacy: what proof exists that fish have emotions like humans do?
  
• A tries whataboutism with an accusation of mind projection fallacy: you don't know what I don't know
  
• But in a debate, A loses on that point because the burden to prove the happiness of the fish is on A.  It doesn't matter what B knows of A's mind- it only matters what A can prove about the emotional capacity of fish. Just because A is an eyewitness doesn't make him an expert on piscine psychology.
  

-->@oromagi

Why not?  What is lacking in appeal to the Rust Belt?

Doesn’t come off as much of a macho type outsider guy. Comes off as a tad bit too establishment. I’d ofc still support him if he’s the nominee, but idt his appeal stretches as far as the Rust Belt. Wisconsin is the state he’d most likely win if he did win