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@WyltedI have to agree with Wylted on this one.TRUMP SPEAKS IN WINSTON-SALEM, NC, SEPT. 8, 2020.Donald Trump said the U.S. isn’t involved in the Middle East for oil, but because we “want to protect Israel.” The comments have gone all but unreported in the mainstream press.Trump made the comment during a rally in Winston-Salem, N.C. on Sept. 8, when he was bragging about America’s energy independence.
As Mike Pompeo once wrote in a note passed to John Bolton during a Trump foreign policy speech, "Donald Trump is so full of shit"
I don't know why anybody would cite Trump as a source of information regarding American foreign relations. By all accounts, the US State Dept., intelligence agencies and uniformed services considered Trump incapable of comprehending big picture strategies like foreign policy because Trump seemed only willing to process information immediately relevant to himself. Foreign leaders complained that private meetings with Trump were worthless because he conducted those meetings the same way he conducted his rallies, he just spoke loudly and continuously on the same talking points without much interest in new information or indeed other people's opinion.
- Trump didn't understand that the EU is a trading bloc and consistently resented member nation's unwillingness to make side deals.
- Trump frequently called for the dissolution of NATO, not understanding that NATO was created by the US in pursuit of US interests
- Trump didn't know that France and the UK have nuclear arsenals
- Trump thought Finland was part of Russia.
- Trump though Belgium was a city in France.
- Trump once pointed to Nepal and Bhutan on a map during a meeting with Indian PM Modi and asked "what's all this other stuff between India and China?" and then offered to find Modi a date for the evening.
- Trump advised Chinese PM Xi during a state dinner that the US had bombed Iraq, minutes after ordering missile launches in Syria.
- Trump answered, when asked point blank who advises him on foreign policy, "I watch all the shows"
- Trump answered, to the same question on a different occasion, "Retired Col. Jack Jacobs", who immediately protested that they had never spoken about matter of state or govt
- Trump insisted that he could force Mexico to pay for a wall erected between the US and Mexico.
- Trump fraudulently stated his reason for reneging on the US-Iran nuclear treaty was that the treaty required the US to defend Iran against Israel
- Trump demanded for weeks that we trash NAFTA while economists explained over and over the economic devastation that would initiate
- Trump regularly accuses China of manufacturing and propagating COVID-19 without a shred of evidence
- Trump referred to Haiti, El Salvador, and all of Africa as "shithole countries" in a public meeting about immigration and demanded more immigrants from nice countries like Norway
- Trump sacrificed the 30 year US-Kurdish alliance because the Turkish dictator Erdogan asked him to
- Trump sided with China's Xi regarding the political re-education of religious minorities in China, the lack of necessity to remember the Tiananmen Sq. massacre, and the lack of necessity to preserve democracy in Hong Kong
- Trump sided with Prince Salman of Saudi Arabia regarding the necessity of assassinating Washington Post journalists who ask too many question
- Trump sided with Vladimir Putin on every major foreign policy decision America faced during his term in office
- Trump is prevented, at the request of the CIA, from receiving post-term daily intelligence briefings, a privilege enjoyed by all other ex-Presidents
- To quote Trump's former Secretary of Defense John Mattis-" The president has no moral compass,” Trump's foreign policy is "to show our enemies how to destroy America. That’s what we’re showing them. How to isolate us from all of our allies. How to take us down. And it’s working very well. He’s dangerous, He’s unfit.”
Lastly, Trump told(at least) an astonishing 30,573 lies in his official capacity as leader of the US- making him officially the most prolific liar in human history.
There is no informational or educational value to anything that Trump has to say on any subject. When Trump speaks he is more likely to be lying than telling the truth. When Trump speaks of US Foreign Policy it is important to remember that he has less information on the subject than the average college student. Under all circumstances, Trump should be disregarded as a figure in any way representative of the United States of America.
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My favorite topic so a big fat YES.
If you want to retain the same number of headings, you could coalesce ECONOMICS and EDUCATION (neither very popular) under a more inclusive PUBLIC POLICY heading.
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Bill and hillary are very very powerful, they could easily hire a Blackwater type group
Speculation. You are accusing real human beings of murder 72 hours ago. What evidence do you have? Or are you just bearing false witness for the trolls?
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13 in Afghanistan just last year, but over 000 in the Iraq war.
You think the US invaded Afghanistan because Israel told them to? Of the 60 nations who allied to fight Operation Enduring Freedom, Israel was never one of them. About 59% of Israelis have consistently supported a continued occupation in Afghanistan but Israel has no official position supporting or condemning that war.
Why did you think the iraq war had no casualties?
Why do you think the Iraq War was fought to further Israeli interests? Israel told Bush it was a super bad idea and accurately predicted the resulting chaos. If you want to assign blame for the folly that was the Iraq War, that blame should be primarily assigned to Dick Cheney.
Israel did not officially support or take part in the Iraq War. According to former State Department official Lawrence Wilkerson, and former CIA agent and Iran expert Robert Baer Israeli officials warned the Bush administration against invading Iraq, saying that it would destabilize the region and empower the much more dangerous regime in Iran
Also, the Iraq War ended more than a couple of years ago. Whatever your grand conspiracy theory is about Israel, it would seem to be without any merit.
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I don't know. I am not even sure if I am real.
So you don't know whether COVID is real but are nevertheless willing to condemn health professional's expert opinion and lifesaving efforts? Sounds to me like you have some figuring out to do before your're ready to express an opinion in this matter.
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Back to your thesis:
What evidence can you provide that Hillary and Bill snuck into Christopher Sign's house last Saturday night, murdered the former Alabama defensive lineman without waking his wife and kids and then made it back for church in Harlem on Sunday morning?
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->@oromagiI'll bite. How many US soldier have died in the past couple of years, say, to further Israeli interests?I am not going to google Iraq war losses of life or anything to confirm this. Y
So that's zero. Zero US soldiers have died in the past two years to further Israeli interests.
Israel had a spy and a listening device inside the highest ranks of ISIS, privy to secret work of ISIS master bomber Ibrahim al-Asiri. If al-Asiri chose a target, we had a real chance of catching a suicide bomber and seeing what an undetectable suitcase bomb looks like- what makes it undetectable. Instead, we blew it all up so Trump could show his wet dick to a couple of professional assassins who spend their lives figuring out how to reduce the world's longest standing democracy to ashesI think Russia also has ISIS as enemies.
Putin played both sides. He offered his own Islamic terrorists groups free transport to Syria, where they greatly increased ISIS' training and fighting capacity while also preserving al-Assad's Alawite power core. Putin profited from the ISIS counter-reaction globally- he didn't mind seeing ISIS fail but it was in his interest to make sure that ISIS failed slowly.
How did anyone even find out the information was leaked. Russia seems like they would want to keep it secret, so they can fight IsIs more.effectively as well.
Putin published the secret as the top headline in every Russian newspaper instantly, the opportunity to humiliate Western intelligence overriding any other concern. Since Putin has a long history of exploiting terrorist attacks for personal political benefit and since dictators don't really want their subjects to travel much, Putin saw no downside to an undetectable suitcase bomb in the hands of ISIS.
"Russia if you're listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily..." And Russia delivered 4 weeks later and Russia reaped their reward- Quid pro quo. Russian defender and advocate is certainly true.I never saw the problem with that.
unsurprising.
If hillary has criminal emails, somebody should expose them.
Let's recall that Hillary's emails were so non-criminal and non-interesting that Republicans had to invent a lunatic theory that John Podesta's invitations to dinner were secretly coded invitations to gigantic pedophile orgies, the beginning of QAnon.
Wikileaks, Snowden
chose paychecks from Putin over democracy- not heroes.
and Bradley Manning are heroes in my book.
Chelsea Manning blew her whistle and stayed loyal to the US in spite of the hard consequences. That is heroic. I agreed with the necessity of Manning's court marital and I agreed with Obama's commutation of that sentence.
Corruption is bad.
And yet you defend Trump and Putin against all critique. I don't think you know how to recognize corruption when you see it.
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was the coronavirus real?
- If you think it was real than the quarantine measures we took to check its spread saved hundreds of millions of lives, worth the pirates and trauma that came along with that sacrifice.
- If you don't think the quarantine was real, then you have some grounds to complain about pirates and trauma as secondary impacts of the greatest global conspiracy every pulled of mankind.
- But you know that if say that COVID wasn't real, you will be quickly disproved.
- If COIVD was real (which we both know is true), then the lockdowns were a necessary and effective quarantine tactic and your complaints about secondary impacts part of the necessary price we paid.
- So stop dodging the question: was COVID real?
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Are you blaming Jewish billionaires for COVID? You haven't bothered to say. Is this one of those Jewish Space Laser theories?
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Well, I think we've established that you prefer expensive pine needle tea remedies to free vaccines but what is this about COVID being a fraud? 176 million sick, 3.8 million dead in one year. Do you agree with most of the sources you cite that the whole thing is just an illusion?
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Right, cuz when the US Navy invents cold fusion and gravitational wave generators, they'll file elaborate public patents full of technical specifications. That's how Americans learned about the atom bomb, I'm pretty sure.
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so now COVID was a fraud?
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With how many soldiers we have dying to further Israel interests at the cost of American interests, that is not even necessarily a bad thing.
I'll bite. How many US soldier have died in the past couple of years, say, to further Israeli interests?
Plus it seems like that classified information is something everybody should know about. It hurts national security to not allow airports to know ISIS created an undetectable suitcase bomb. It is downright evil that Israel and America kept that secret.
Really? Think about it a second. You tell all the world's airports security chiefs that ISIS has build an undetectable suitcase bomb. What are they supposed to to do with that information? Halt air traffic? Search every suitcase inside and out hope to detect the undetectable? The most predictable result of such a propagation is chaos- people panicking about flying, airlines unable to fix the problem but compelled to draconian overstep. That would be a dumb move.
Israel had a spy and a listening device inside the highest ranks of ISIS, privy to secret work of ISIS master bomber Ibrahim al-Asiri. If al-Asiri chose a target, we had a real chance of catching a suicide bomber and seeing what an undetectable suitcase bomb looks like- what makes it undetectable. Instead, we blew it all up so Trump could show his wet dick to a couple of professional assassins who spend their lives figuring out how to reduce the world's longest standing democracy to ashes. There is no official confirmation of the status of the secret agents Mossad had placed within ISIS who were now exposed by Trump's fuckup but one senior Israeli intelligence officer called whatever fate befell them "a hell of a price to pay for an American president's mistake."
Indeed, when Trump learned that the US had a spy so deep into Putin's circle that the agent sent photographs of what was on Putin's desk for decades, Trump demanded to know the name of the agent so frequently that the CIA felt the only right course of action was to sneak him and his family out of Russia just a few days after Trump's secretive love-in with Russia's top spies. The CIA won't confirm but there's good reason to assume that Trump successfully compromised many Russian assets.
Learning our rivals secrets while keeping our own secrets is an important survival tactic in geopolitics. Whether deliberate or accidental (I suspect the former), Trump punched huge violent holes in our global intelligence network.
So what is the theory here anyway? Trump is a deep cover Russian spy?
Spy is probably the wrong word. Spies need to be subtle and perceptive, qualities Trump lacks absolutely. Trump operates in the open and counts on the dullness of his subjects- "Russia if you're listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily..." And Russia delivered 4 weeks later and Russia reaped their reward- Quid pro quo. Russian defender and advocate is certainly true. Russian secret agent or agent provocateur and saboteur seems quite likely. I don't claim to have more information than intelligence agencies but I accept the Mueller Reports characterization of Trump's inner circle as useful idiots- willing to serve Putin's interests in exchange for cash and online Russian manipulation of Republican opinion but too internally combative and frankly just too dumb to really coordinate or harmonize with larger Russian objectives. I also accept the likelihood of Christopher Steele's analysis of Trump as morally and/or financially compromised by the Kremlin- that Trump lives in fear of Putin revealing criminal or at least immoral conduct.
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Also citation needed about that russian meeting. Thia is my first time hearing about it. It sounds interesting
Well, since this is day that Trump admitted that he fired Comey because of the "russian thing" and launched the Mueller investigation I would venture that any individual ignorant of these events disqualifies himself from an educated opinion about Trump, Russian influence, the Mueller Report, etc. I think Trump lost more loyal Republicans on this day than any other. He certainly lost the trust of the Western world and the Post reports that US Intelligence started editing information provided to Trump administration officials out of concern that those officials were leaking intelligence to Russia.
Bombshell report reveals new details about Trump's Oval Office meeting with Russians after he fired ComeyNov 24, 2017, 11:05 AM
- President Donald Trump infuriated the US and Israeli intelligence communities when he disclosed details of a highly classified Israeli operation to Russian officials earlier this year.
- Vanity Fair reported on Thursday that a top US official told the Israelis in January that Russia had "leverages of pressure" over Trump.
President Donald Trump sparked widespread concern within the US and Israeli intelligence communities earlier this year when he disclosed details of a highly classified Israeli operation to Russian officials, according to a new Vanity Fair report.The Washington Post first reported in May that Trump told Russia's foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, and ambassador to the US at the time, Sergey Kislyak, about the terrorist group ISIS's work to develop a laptop bomb that could pass through airport security undetected — information Trump had received from Israeli intelligence officials.The information was highly classified and had not been disclosed even to close American allies.Vanity Fair reported on Wednesday that a top American spy told Israeli intelligence officials during a meeting at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, a few weeks before Trump's inauguration that US intelligence believed Russian President Vladimir Putin had "leverages of pressure" over Trump.The report said that American official warned that information provided to the White House could be leaked to the Russians and, therefore, eventually to their ally Iran, Israel's greatest adversary.But the Israelis reportedly did not treat this warning with much seriousness and continued sharing highly classified information with the US, one of its closest allies.Trump met with Lavrov and Kislyak in the Oval Office on May 10, the day after he fired James Comey as FBI director. Trump told the Russians that he had "faced great pressure" as a result of the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 US election — and whether the Trump campaign colluded with Moscow — that Comey was leading, calling him "crazy" and "a real nut job."Trump then reportedly described the broad outlines of the Israeli intelligence and named the Syrian city in which it was gathered.'A hell of price to pay for a president's mistake'When this surfaced in news reports, Israeli and US intelligence officials were infuriated, Vanity Fair reported."Trump betrayed us," a senior Israeli military official told the news outlet. "And if we can't trust him, then we're going to have to do what is necessary on our own if our back is up against the wall with Iran."Michael Morell, a former CIA deputy director, told CBS News in May that Trump's apparently unvetted disclosure was "highly damaging" and would negatively affect the US's relationships with foreign allies."Third countries who provide the United States with intelligence information will now have pause," Morell said.Morrell predicted that the Russians would attempt to determine how the Israelis collected the intelligence and could target its source, which Vanity Fair reported was embedded deep within ISIS territory in Syria."The Russians will undoubtedly try to figure out the source or the method of this information to make sure that it is not also collecting on their activities in Syria — and in trying to do that they could well disrupt the source," Morell said.One former Israeli official would not disclose what happened to the source but told Vanity Fair, "Whatever happened to him, it's a hell of price to pay for a president's mistake."
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Wylted really, really wants you to buy that $65 bag of pine needles.
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@oromagiLet's recall that when Trump failed to extract a promise from Comey that he would never investigate any Russian influence over the White House, Trump immediately asked Rosenstein to give him a reason to fire ComeyI watched Comey's questioning by Congress. Trump asked him to quickly investigate. Dragging this out until his term is over would be unethical. We need to know if there are shady dealings immediately and address them.
Let's not forget that the day after Comey was fired, Trump invited Russia's top spy and his entourage into the Oval Office while refusing to allow any US counterparts or journalists into the room. Americans were not even allowed to take a picture of the event although Russian newspapers were allowed to publish pictures. Think of it as a kind of "Russia rules, America drools" party hosted by Trump on the Resolute Desk. It was this event, this response to Comey's termination, that caused most of the FBI's leadership to change their mind about Russian influence over Trump and the investigations started in earnest on that day.
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A person with an IQ of 100, should have less freedom than one with a IQ of 180,
thus establishing that we need never mistake Wylted's philosophy as a reflection of American values.
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None of these facts or objections is preventing Frank from enthusiastically promoting his conspiracy theory to conservative groups across Colorado. Grand Junction “Patriot” group Stand for the Constitution, whose Facebook members include U. S. Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO), state Rep. Rich, and Pueblo GOP Chair Marla Reichert, hosted him on the evening of Friday, April 23. Sheronna Bishop, a Grand Junction conservative social media personality who formerly served as Boebert’s campaign manager, invited Frank to Colorado and organized the event, tickets for which cost $15.Dr. Frank told the Colorado Times Recorder he’s working closely with Bishop. In a Facebook video to her nearly 13,000 followers, Bishop confirmed that she and other activists are conducting “voter integrity canvassing” in Mesa County. According to Dr. Frank, this consists of volunteers knocking on doors of registered voters’ houses to confirm if and who cast ballots in the 2020 general election.Today, the Republican Study Committee of Colorado (RSCC) hosted Frank along with another election fraud conspiracist, former professor John Eastman, who retired from Chapman University (but remains a visiting scholar at The University of Colorado’s privately-funded Benson Center for the Study of Western Civilization) following his public statements that the 2020 election was stolen.Frank and Eastman presented their election fraud conspiracy theory at an event hosted by the U. S. Election Intergrity Project at the Doubletree Hotel in Cherry Creek. Elected officials attending the event included Republican state Reps. Kim Ransom, Ron Hanks, Mark Baisley and Stephanie Luck, who herself participated in an election fraud conspiracy panel last month.Luck asked Eastman if there were still legal claims that can be pursued as far as proving fraud and overturning the 2020 election. Eastman detailed a few ongoing complaints but expressed doubt at their likelihood of success.Hanks asked the following question: “Was it obligatory that President Trump walk away and cede power to Joe Biden? Was there any other course of action that could have been taken earlier in the process?”Eastman responded by lamenting the disorganized nature of the Trump team’s legal response, and noting some missed opportunities, but made it clear that he was not among those (such as Mike Lindell) who were advocating for “crossing the Rubicon” and taking action outside of the Democratic and legal systems.The conspiracy theory that Dominion Voting system rigged the election against Trump was featured prominently in the recent election of the Colorado GOP chair, with Kristi Burton Brown, who eventually won, and leading contender Scott Gessler both embracing the possibility that the company acted maliciously to flip votes to Biden. Since then Luck and other Republicans brought bills based relating to various election fraud conspiracies that have since been killed or withdrawn.Nevertheless, today’s panel and the questions posed to the speakers by sitting elected officials make it clear that, at least among Republicans, the “Big Lie” of election fraud is very much still circulating in Colorado.
So, when Frank says the numbers don't add up, we should note that his base population numbers are incorrect by an average of 9% and that when comparing smoothed 2010 Census data to actual county election counts, we trust the actual counts over the ten year old hypothetical population counts, not the other way around. Franks follow up assertion that therefore some secret "AI" hacked all 64 county databases and unfailingly submitted votes for Biden on behalf of people registered to vote but who secretly didn't vote on a scale of hundreds of thousands of ballots is a classic "God of the Gaps" argument without a shred of evidence, much less Liddell's furtherance of that God as a Chinese/Democratic conspiracy.
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Here's a very good Colorado Times-Recorder article from last month debunking Frank quite thouroughly:
“You know the story about the Navajo Windtalkers in World War Two? Imagine if I was a German and I just happened to know Navajo, right? Then maybe I could break the code. Well, that’s what happened.”The man asking me to imagine him as a Nazi is Dr. Douglas Frank, a part-time math teacher who is currently visiting Colorado to push an eye-popping election fraud conspiracy at events across the state.Frank, who teaches at a private school in Cincinnati, believes he’s uncovered an algorithm that proves that Colorado’s 2020 election results (along with those in many other states) were rigged in favor of President Biden.Frank first made these claims in an online video called “Scientific Proof,” which is hosted (and bankrolled) by mustachioed Trumper Mike Lindell, better known as the “My Pillow” CEO who wanted Trump to declare martial law to remain in power. The video features Frank claiming to have analyzed publicly available election data and determined that someone used computer algorithms to manipulate votes all across the nation.From the video’s promo:“Dr. Frank testifies to host Mike Lindell that deviations and mathematical impossibilities could not have been done by humans, by artificial intelligence and computers that were running before, during, and after the 2020 U.S. election. Dr. Frank’s investigation reveals that the 2010 national census data was used to manipulate the 2020 election rolls and to inject phantom votes into the election totals.”
“I found the algorithms that control how many registrations and how many ballots you need in every county to control an election,” Frank tells Lindell at the start of the interview. “That’s what I figured out. And it’s widespread- it’s in every state that I’ve checked so far and it’s in magnificent parts-per-million detail, so I know it’s not an accident. It has to be done by an algorithm.”The slides Frank shows to Lindell in the video purport to show data on county-level population, registration, and actual votes cast. He and Lindell gleefully point to spikes that appear to show more votes cast than people registered or even living in various Colorado counties, including Broomfield, Mineral, and Bent.Doug Jones, computer science professor at the University of Iowa and a national expert on election security, is skeptical.“Every one of those graphs of age versus population for the different counties is obviously smoothed data,” says Jones. “Perhaps he took the real data for age versus population and smoothed it with a 6th order polynomial…The usual presentation of census data is in bins that are 5-years wide. Taking such data and smoothing it with a polynomial would give exactly the kind of curves that Douglas Frank was showing.
Then, comparing such a curve with data he extracted with voter registration would, of course, have a finer scale, because the voter registration data gives the actual birthday of every voter. So the voter registration curve is all bumpy compared to the population curve. The net result of this is that, even if our voter registration data was perfect (no “phantoms”), we’d have bumps in the voter registration curve that exceeded what the census said.”Furthermore, the numbers Frank are showing for verifiable totals such as ballots cast are simply wrong. Republican political consultant Ben Engen documents the numerous errors between Frank’s slides and actual vote totals in an April 22 blog post.Graphic from Engen’s blog showing incorrect ballot total in Frank’s data“His estimate isn’t just off by nine percent,” writes Engen. “The number he’s using for verification is too! This isn’t an isolated incident, he’s using incorrect ballots cast figures as the basis for his entire analysis. You can’t get a real result when the underlying data you use is wrong.This isn’t Frank’s first rodeo. He authored a similarly flawed but widely shared Facebook post, “Why is the Epidemic Fading?” last August, which was quickly debunked by the Associated Press.In the video, Frank spends a lot of time on Broomfield, noting apparent discrepancies in the charts he created between the supposed number of residents, registered voters, and ballots cast in the 2020 election.Reached for comment, the Broomfield Elections Division also disputes Frank’s data and calls his analysis, “misinformation.”The City and County of Broomfield Elections Officials want to alert residents of misinformation circulating on a video posted to social media.
While the Broomfield 2020 General Election voter registration data seems correct and unmanipulated, the census data used in the video incorrectly portrays the number of eligible registered voters and does not account for population growth, community growth, the influx of out-of-state voters into Colorado, or naturalization of new citizens.
We are confident in our proven process and look forward to answering any questions or concerns residents may have. Please reach out to the Elections Division directly at [email protected] or 303.464.5857.Even if all the data were accurate, a county’s voter registration rolls showing more people than live in the county isn’t at all surprising- it’s the way our voting system is supposed to work.As a general rule federal law is designed to encourage voter participation, which means it’s easy to get on a county’s voter roll than it is to get off.Jones, the computer science professor, explains:“[Federal] law forbids voters to be struck from the records if they move away and do not inform the county that they moved, their registration must remain on the books,” says Jones “Moving in-state, since 2002, when a voter re-registers in their new address, their old registration is cancelled, but out-of-state moves don’t do this because voter records are state records, and each state has no obligation to talk to other states. This is awful [from a clean data perspective], but in studies of cross-state-line voter fraud that I’ve seen, the numbers are minuscule. The vast majority of ‘ghost voters’ don’t abuse the fact that they are inadvertently registered in two states. Doug Frank and Mike Lindell take this fact and misrepresent it as part of some vast conspiracy.”According to Chris Jackson an election law attorney at Holland & Hart and adjunct professor of election law at Denver University, the discrepancies created by these rules are anticipated by election administrators and understood to be a cost of increasing ballot access.“The National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) regulates how states manage their voter rolls,” says Jackson. “States can’t unilaterally remove voters. The process varies by state, but generally, if the Secretary of State’s office suspects a voter has died or moved, [which is often based on information from the U. S. Postal Service] it first has to send a postcard to the voter’s address. If there is no response to the mailing and subsequently no vote cast by that voter in the next two federal elections, then the office may remove the voter.
“This is expected and understood and the system is built to accommodate this in order to make it easy for people to vote.”Frank goes on to explain that he believes a computer program inserted into the election machines casts a “phantom ballot” on behalf of a real registered voter who didn’t actually vote.As Samuel L. Jackson’s character from Pulp Fiction once said, “that’s a bold statement.”U.S. elections are managed at the county level. The claim that a person or group of people secretly hacked the election machines of all 64 counties in Colorado is dubious not only logistically but politically, especially when one is talking about Mineral County, population 824.Furthermore, Colorado ballots are physical items. Voters sign paper ballots that then undergo signature verification by a bipartisan pair of election judges.Afterwards the statewide results are double-checked via a risk-limiting audit. Colorado became the first state in the country to require these audits in 2009.Asked via phone how this rigging would work, Frank said, “I’m saying that people printed ballots and mailed them in on behalf of people that were unlikely to have returned to ballot.”Dr. Frank also claims his analysis of the voting data shows that the election was rigged in favor of Joe Biden.“Yeah, whoever rigged it, rigged it that way,” affirmed Frank. “And you know it’s rigged because it came out exactly as rigged. I mean the fact that I can predict all [64 counties’ vote totals] means it is conforming to an algorithm.”In the video, Frank doesn’t ascribe blame for this unprecedented hack, described as “the biggest cyber-crime in world history,” but Lindell does:“We have been attacked by foreign actors, starting with China and with help of domestic actors here, you know, they had to be let in.”To be clear, there is zero evidence of this.In a report declassified on Mar. 16, the U. S. Director of National Intelligence released the nation’s Intelligence Community’s assessment of foreign threats to the 2020 federal elections. The report distinguishes between foreign interference, trying to actually change votes or registrations, and influence, spreading disinformation to undermine public confidence in our election system.The top finding: “We have no indications that any foreign actor attempted to alter any technical aspect of the voting process in the 2020 US election, including voter registration, casting ballots, vote tabulation, or reporting results.”
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@oromagiNone of that addresses the evidence I provided. We also have evidence from a court showing the machines were accessed remotely when Democrats previously said the machines were not even connected to the internet
You do not have evidence. You have a Trumpnut tweeting that he has evidence:
The Antrim County election management system (EMS) was REMOTELY and successfully logged into anonymously on 11/05/2020 at 5:55 PM and again on 11/17/2020 at 5:16 PM.
But DePerno fails to explain what evidence corroborates or how some random lawyer has come into possession of state login information unavailable to the court or why he has never presented this evidence during his prior 15 court appearances trying to cast doubt on the 2020 election which were all rejected as meritless by the same Trump-friendly judge or why DePerno hasn't yet filed for appeal based on this evidence. A tweet saying you think you have evidence is not by itself evidence. A claim that has not yet been submitted for scrutiny by skeptical inquiry is not evidence.
I trust the science, and a mathematician and a physicist as linked above has proven
Oops. Dr. Douglas G. Frank is not a physicist or even a scientist. Frank holds a Phd in Chemistry but teaches high school math part-time in Ohio. Since any student of mathematics can be correctly called a mathematician, I'd call that an accurate but unimpressive credential.
Let's recall that Dr. Frank's last moment in the spotlight was pretending to be an epidemiologist last August when he claimed that his "algorithms" showed that the COVID pandemic was over, which went super-viral but was of course, horribly wrong and likely killed some people.
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Man arrested for owning the wrong book
In fact, Oliver Bel was under investigation for contacts with terrorist cells when he posted on Facebook that he was ready to go "on a killing spree" and the police felt compelled to act.
it should never be illegal to own a book, even if that book is controversial.
It is not illegal to purchase or own "The Anarchist's Cookbook" in the UK.
Authorities noted that Bel bought the book immediately after contacting National Socialist Anti-Capitalist Action, a far-right neo-Nazi terrorist organization based in the UK and registered as a banned Terrorist organization, who Bel asked for ways to take action in support of their terrorism. This book served as one piece of evidence that Bel was actively collecting intelligence for the benefit of a terrorist organization and for the purpose of committing terrorist acts. We might note that Anarchist's Cookbook was the source for recipes for bombs in a large number of high profile terrorist events including the London Nail Bombing, the London Public Transport Bombings, The Oklahoma City Bomb, the Atlanta Olympics Bombings, and the Columbine shooters. I own a copy myself, somewhere, and I'd point out that there's no information in the book that isn't readily available online.
We should note that a similar case of a young soldier of fortune who fought with Kurds in Syria against ISIS was similarly charged in the UK in 2017 for downloading the book while googling how to get away with credit card fraud. A jury found that defendant innocent because he wasn't acquiring the book on behalf of any terrorists and an inquiry was launched into how such an unsupportable charge could be laid.
So
buying books about bombs=good
buying books about bombs for active terrorist cells=bad
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@oromagiI'm from the south
Is anyone surprised that Wylted is from the South?
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This case was dismissed as "moot" one month ago. Judge Kevin Elsenheimer was formerly Republican leader in the Michigan House of Representatives and a member of Rick Snyder's cabinet, who also appointed Elsenheimer.
Judge dismisses Antrim County election fraud lawsuitClara HendricksonDetroit Free PressAn Antrim County judge dismissed an election fraud lawsuit Tuesday that has served as a vehicle to advance the unfounded conspiracy theory that tabulators manufactured by Dominion Voting Systems switched votes last fall from Donald Trump to Joe Biden.More than six months after the election, the lawsuit sought an audit of Michigan’s election results. Michigan election officials already undertook a statewide audit of the presidential election starting in January in which more than 18,000 randomly selected ballots from more than 1,300 jurisdictions were reviewed by clerks.The Bureau of Elections found that the tabulators counted ballots properly and uncovered no evidence of widespread issues with the machines.The judge declared the case moot, ruling Central Lake Township resident Bill Bailey, who brought the lawsuit, had already been granted the forensic imaging of the election equipment he requested and there had also been a lawful election audit."There is no reason to do it twice," 13th Circuit Court Judge Kevin Elsenheimer said during the Tuesday hearing.Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a defendant in the lawsuit, praised the ruling."The dismissal of the last of the lawsuits attempting to undermine democracy in furtherance of the Big Lie affirms that despite intense scrutiny, and an unprecedented misinformation campaign, the 2020 election was fair and secure, and the results accurately reflect the will of the voters," she said in a statement.Attorney General Dana Nessel said the ruling "should be the nail in the coffin for any remaining conspiracy theories surrounding the outcome of the Nov. 3 general election."The lawsuit was filed Nov. 23, 2020, the same day that the Board of State Canvassers certified Michigan's election results.It alleged that tabulators used in Antrim County were preprogrammed to switch votes. But in fact, a human error led to inaccurate election night reporting of the unofficial results, which showed Biden winning the GOP stronghold.The error was caught and corrected the next morning, the results were certified and a hand recount of the ballots affirmed Trump's victory. Trump won the county with more than 61% of the vote.There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the Nov. 3 election. Judges across the country dismissed lawsuits filed in battleground states across the country seeking to delay and derail the certification of election results. The lawsuit against Antrim County seemed to be the only one alleging election fraud that remained active. Meanwhile, Dominion has filed defamation lawsuits against Trump allies and news organizations that peddled misinformation about its machines.Matthew DePerno, the Portage attorney who represented Bailey, warned that dismissing the lawsuit would leave a cloud over all future elections."How can anyone trust the system in the future?" he asked.Bailey did not vote in the recent May 4 election because he no longer trusts Dominion's voting machines, DePerno said during a May 10 hearing in the case.In December, Elsenheimer authorized a forensic examination of the tabulators used in Antrim County.The investigation resulted in a flawed report by a self-proclaimed cybersecurity expert who mistook voting jurisdictions in Minnesota for Michigan and made wildly inaccurate claims about voter turnout in Michigan in two other election lawsuits that sought to overturn the results.Another analysis filed in support of the Antrim County lawsuit falsely claimed that an algorithm was deployed in Michigan's election system to manipulate the results.In making the case against the lawsuit's dismissal during the May 10 hearing, DePerno said that Bailey's request for an independent audit of Antrim County's election hadn't been granted. Elsenheimer ruled Tuesday that it had.A newer provision of the Michigan Constitution enacted when voters backed no-reason absentee voting gives voters the right to have the results of statewide elections audited.But it does not give Bailey the right to a custom audit, Elsenheimer said Tuesday.During a news conference Monday in Traverse City hosted by DePerno, a crowd cheered on the lawsuit and DePerno's call for an audit in Michigan like the one being carried out in Maricopa County, Arizona.The audit in the state's most populous county has breathed new life into Trump's baseless claim that the election was stolen from him.Jack Sellers, the Republican chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, which oversees the county's elections, called the work carried out by the Florida-based firm Cyber Ninjas hired for the job "a grift disguised as an audit" during a meeting Monday."One should be more concerned about what this exercise is costing us in time and money and why the ninjas can't even find files that were already given to them by Maricopa County," Sellers said.Cyber Ninjas provided analysis to support the fraud allegations leveled in the Antrim County lawsuit and the firm's CEO has promoted election fraud claims, the Arizona Republic reported.DePerno said Monday that he already has a team of experts lined up who are ready to conduct an audit in Michigan but did not specifically name Cyber Ninjas.DePerno and Bailey could appeal the court's decision.
(One month later, De Perno has not yet filed an appeal although he is still blogging about new information. There are currently zero cases open before the Michigan court challenging the 2020 election or requesting an audit.)
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Is anyone surprised that Wylted can't spell America?
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###The Attorney General meets for 15 minutes with the husband of a target of an FBI investigation that came up empty.
GOP: SCANDAL! undue influence! The Clintons must have murdered the reporter who broke that story 6 years ago to....uh....cover up? no.....revenge! The Clintons secretly flew to Birmingham and staged a fake suicide out of revenge for a story that amounted to nothing. And then they raped some children with John Podesta on the plane ride home.
###The Attorney General unconstitutionally subpoenas the phone records of Democratic House Members investigating Trump's political extortion in Ukraine, as well as their staffs and family's phone records. The Attorney General lies under oath when asked by Congress whether he is conducting any such investigation.
GOP: What?....what are you looking at?
Let's recall that when Trump failed to extract a promise from Comey that he would never investigate any Russian influence over the White House, Trump immediately asked Rosenstein to give him a reason to fire Comey and Rosenstein's polling of DoJ officials came to the "nearly unanimous opinions" that Comey's handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation was "wrong."
So the official story as written by Trump is that Clinton was the victim of an unjust investigation and so Trump fired the bad cop with the political agenda who fucked up.... That is still the reason Trump fired Comey,.... right Republicans?
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Here's the Wikipedia on that "scientist"
Judy Anne Mikovits (born 1957 or 1958) is an American former research scientist who is known for her discredited medical claims, such as that murine endogenous retroviruses are linked to chronic fatigue syndrome. As an outgrowth of these claims, she has engaged in anti-vaccination activism, promoted conspiracy theories, and been accused of scientific misconduct. She has made false claims about vaccines, COVID-19 and chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), among others.
As research director of CFS research organization Whittemore Peterson Institute (WPI) from 2006 to 2011, Mikovits led an effort that reported in 2009 that a retrovirus known as xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV) was associated with CFS and might have a causal role. However, following widespread criticism, the paper was retracted on December 22, 2011, by the journal Science. In November 2011, she was arrested and held on charges that she stole laboratory notebooks and a computer from WPI, but she was released after five days and the charges were later dropped.
In 2020, Mikovits promoted conspiracy theories about the COVID-19 pandemic via the internet video Plandemic, which made claims that are either false, or not based on scientific evidence.
I love that Love's been dropping pine needles into her tea "intuitively" all along and now thinks the science is catching up with her. Now she's happy to rake up a fancy little bag for you for only $65. Be sure to check out her accounts of her astral projections into other dimensions.
The Mueller Report states that when Russian Intelligence's Internet Research Agency started to assemble a model target from which to recruit new Trump voters, they looked for people on sites like this- people who believe anything they're told and are easily parted from their money and then the IRA started shoveling Trump stuff into their path and giving them a political purpose. Deliberately constructed, the core trait of the Trump party is gullibility. They're still giving more money to Trump than 2022 congressional campaigns. In fact, we just learned this week that Trump has also been draining the coffers of state Republican party treasuries, essentially laundering money, violating donor maximums, and funneling most GOP resources to one man who will likely never run for office again.
Drink yer Bleach!
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@Wylted
We are trusting them to tell us about the condition of the world outside of our small bubbles. It is a very important task, and by exaggerating, sensationalizing or lying than they are neglecting their duty to the audience
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I just think maybe the media prioritizes some other things over truth.
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@zedvictor4Person shoots Niagara Falls in a Honduran boat and dies, following a Covid vaccination.....Bastard lefties.Is this any different than gun shot victims being labeled as covid19 deaths by hospitals inflating numbers?
In a number of respects but the most important one being that this post a lie told by you- originated by you, without apology or correction, for personal attention at the expense of deliberately attacking confidence in medicine that saves lives, on a website where proof is king.
DARTers who are just meeting Wylted for the first time should note this about Wylted. He is a poor but persistent liar. Any claim he makes requires a fact check.
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All we talk about here is about whoever is sus
You should start a game in the games forum entitled, "WHO is SUS?"
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@WyltedOromagi is under the assumption that all these Democrats are lying or compromised by conservatives because of the fact they saw ballots with perfect markings, which all voted for Joe Biden in the most blue counties in Georgia - DeKalb, Fulton, and Cobb.
Well I've read the accounts of Suzi Voyle and Bridget Thorne and I got to say that's like the opposite you saying here.
Suzi Voyles is not a Democrat, she is a Phyllis Schlafly Republican and President of Schlafly's Eagle Forum group. In the Reagan era, that used to be about as right-wing as a respectable Republican could get. Way right of Reagan.
Not Dekalb or Cobb county. Voyles and Thorne were Fulton county.
Voyles reports that she saw a cluster of "about 110 ballots- all from one nursing home and only two of the votes were for Trump, additionally Suzi reports that the 110 nursing home ballots were suspiciously neat. Well, okay. I mean, there's not much point to doubting her because there's nothing really suspicious in the claim. Old black people in downtown Atlanta are some of the most reliably Democratic voters in party history and there is nothing strange about 98.1% pro Biden return from a nursing home there. I think its fine for her to voice her perception of excess tidiness and fine that they checked it out and found nothing- no double votes, no excess votes since the last count, no fake names or out-of-precinct voters. So even if we do take a look and they are still too neat (I think all ballots were subject to a hand count after Suzi's count), what are we supposed to do with that? We can't just deny the voters the franchise on the basis of neatness. I guess I'm asking what's to find? It's all so super vague.
Also the fact that after the judge, a Democrat, announced his decision, the place where ballots were kept was mysteriously broken into. Ofc officials claim nothing happened and nothing happened to the ballots. The same officials that would have had a hand in this voter fraud.
I don't know why you'd suspect the Democrats would want to break into the courthouse- essentially, the Dems (and the State of Georgia) claim that whatever was sealed after the election proves their claim. Only Trumpists have the motivation (and the priors, you tricky dicks) to try to fuck with the sealed ballot stash before the Judge reviews on the 21st. If the break-in was politically motivated it could only be pro-Trump in outlook.
With that in mind, let's be sure to note that Suzi was asked NOT to return to count future elections because she was bringing ballots away from the counting table and over to Republican poll watchers, which as a seasoned veteran of the Fulton County election system Suzi already knew was deeply suspicious conduct. So ask yourself which is more suspicious, a hundred overly neat ballots or Suzi actually messing with some ballots herself? wtf suzi?
I keep hearing little anecdotal cases of voting fraud but every single incidence is a vote for Trump. For example, a local guy murdered his wife last year but filled out her ballot for Trump which he was charged with alongside the murder a couple of weeks ago.
Are there any proven cases of pro-Biden voting fraud? because all I ever hear of are individual cases and all pro-Trump/
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According to sidney Powell, once the election audit proves Trump was defrauded out of the presidency, he will be reinstated as president, but will not get credit fr the time he missed when Biden was holding theseat
- In democracies, Presidents are only elected, there is no reinstatement. Reinstatement is a euphemism for taking power by force, a coup, a putsch.
- Sidney Powell was speaking to a QAnon convention. Let's recall that QAnon:
- is a discredited American far-right conspiracy theory alleging that a cabal of Satanic, cannibalistic pedophiles run a global child sex trafficking ring and conspired against former President Donald Trump during his term in office. QAnon is commonly described as a cult.
- Let's recall that Sidney Powell's defense in the Dominion lawsuit is that "no reasonable person would conclude that the statements [by Powell about the 2020 election] were truly statements of fact".
- Therefore, if we are willing to grant Sidney Powell at least as much credibility when testifying in court as Wylted accords her when preaching to a cult, it follows that Powell (and by extension Trump) considers suckers like Wylted unreasoning.
- Let's recall that Sidney Powell spoke after Mike Flynn stated that a Myanmar style coup should take place in the United States and reiterating his belief that COVID was a Democratic Party conspiracy designed to upset the 2020 election.
- Let's also recall that Sidney Powell was Flynn's lawyer when the former NSA director pled guilty to knowingly lying under oath about the extent and nature of his backchannel communications with Russian Intelligence.
Mike Lindell and legal team have SEIZED DOMIMION machines as well as a boat allegedly used to bring fake ballots in from Honduras.
- A very silly claim. I mean it's not true, there no evidence for either claim but also just the sheer delusion that a pillowmonger somehow has the authority to "seize" voting machines from states or "seize" boats flying under foreign flags. Sounds like Mr. Pillow has a problem with bi-polar self-aggrandizement. Truly laughable bullshit.
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@oromagiAsk yourself, are there more reliable sources of information regarding the US 2020 Election outcome than Canadian religious zealots who deny the existence of COVID in the face of an ongoing world pandemic and have been banned from social websites for the extremity of prior disinformation campaigns. If the answer is yes and if those more reliable sources all say your source is bullshit, then the onus is on you the claimant to use more reliable data.I'm going to have to see some evidence they think covid19 is fake.
Your the one who reads this shit but okay,
that 11 month into the epidemic. So, what, even Trump was in on it?
Further, I cited reliable polling data to show that fewer and fewer Americans believe Trump's Big Lie, disproving your claim.You'll have to do better than.
Nope. Your claim is "more and more Americans believe X" I have given you Reuters and Pew polls saying that you've got it wrong and in fact fewer American believe X than ever before. Polling data is obvious primary source for defending a claim like "more and more Americans" You don't have any polling. You don't have any sources that believe in basic shit like COVID is a real disease. I don't have to do better than that. That is good enough to show that you are just making shit up.
Someone believing in multiple conspiracy theories or a unified conspiracy theory is also likely to have a completely distorted view of reality," citing Holocaust deniers as an example of someone so out of touch with the facts that they can be dismissed out of hand. I have no problem sealing you in that particular sarcophagi.You could have just reworded this to say. "I Have no critical thinking skills,
Yes, but my critique had more erudition.
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@oromagiThe conveienent "break in" pie referred to. Also known as a burglary
Somebody is actually going to have to tell this story if they genuinely want a response. I'm googling Georgia election break-in, georgia judge voter break-in etc and coming up with nothing.
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@ILikePie5What GP said. Establishment GOP also hated Trump. Arizona is establishment GOP country. Such a shame that the state that put Goldwater in the spotlight behaves this way. Although I suspect it has something to do with the Hanoi Songbird - another beauty.It's also where John McCain is from. Remember he is born to an evil man who hated his son enough that he ordered bombing where he thought his son was a POW. He as some of those evil genetics, but Arizona Republicans love him.
John McCain was a god-damned true blue American hero. He ran into an exploding arsenal to save lives when every other man on deck ran or died. He comforted the Forrestal's engineers as they volunteered to suffer slow and agonizing deaths to save the carrier and comforted their families for the rest of his life He refused better treatment than his fellow soldiers in a Viet Cong prison at the cost of lifelong pain and paralysis, he single-handedly saved the Affordable Care Act and told hard truths to Republicans who would only hear lies. Full on double bird to all anti-American haters: may the ghost of John McCain meet you at the pearly gates and kick your craven corpses all the way down to hell.
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-->@LemmingDidn't a number of Republican officials responsible for their state election results 'already check for fraud?If you’re talking about Arizona and Maricopa County specifically....their “audits” are pretty much shams.
Agreed, although that's just one and the same audit.
Anyways, we’re talking specifically about Georgia here....Breaking into a place where they keep the ballots the judge said should be examined doesn’t bring trust into the institution.
OK, let's get some documentation at that there claim.
Neither does career Democratic operatives claiming something fishy was up.
Again, what't the story?
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Oromagi, address what pue just said. If there is no fraud why did the convenient break in happen?
I have no idea what convenient break refers to.
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->@WyltedOromagi is under the assumption that all these Democrats are lying or compromised by conservatives because of the fact they saw ballots with perfect markings, which all voted for Joe Biden in the most blue counties in Georgia - DeKalb, Fulton, and Cobb. Also the fact that after the judge, a Democrat, announced his decision, the place where ballots were kept was mysteriously broken into. Ofc officials claim nothing happened and nothing happened to the ballots. The same officials that would have had a hand in this voter fraud.
I don't how I can be under an assumption regarding a subject I have no information about. What are you talking about?
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This is like a murderer claiming they are innocent, and that because you have no evidence, you should not go search for evidence.
What noun does the pronoun "this" stand for in this sentence?
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@oromagiI want you to explain why an if there is no fraud, that they are trying to prevent audits. These audits are harmless if they are innocent.
- The audits are less than harmless, they are irrelevant to the legitimacy of the election which was sealed on Jan 6th, shortly after Trump's mismanaged and cowardly coup attempt failed to prevent certification.
- The only thing called an audit I'm aware of is in Arizona which is an entirely extra-legal show for the benefit of FOX New viewers. As soon as private individuals removed the Maricopa County ballots and voting machines from the custody of state officials (and the bipartisan oversight guaranteed by that custody) those ballots ceased to serve any legal audit. The State of Arizona is constitutionally required to ignore those ballots and never trust those voting machines again- at a cost of at least millions to Maricopa County residents. So that stopped being an official election audit on April 22nd. The State of Arizona is bound by law to ignore any and all findings by that exclusively Republican and entirely opaque effort.
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@oromagiGenetic fallacy. You are claiming because the facts are stated by a site ran by conservatives, the facts don't exist.
Rationalwiki notes that genetic fallacies are not Bayesian: "some sources are so consistently full of it that pointing this out reasonably constitutes a refutation for all practical purposes (e.g., Scopie's law). If something is bullshit 99.9% of the time, it may not be worth investigating — especially when there are more trustworthy sources or pressing issues available."
"Example: If Andrew Wakefield were to write a paper on anything, it can be easily dismissed."
Ask yourself, are there more reliable sources of information regarding the US 2020 Election outcome than Canadian religious zealots who deny the existence of COVID in the face of an ongoing world pandemic and have been banned from social websites for the extremity of prior disinformation campaigns. If the answer is yes and if those more reliable sources all say your source is bullshit, then the onus is on you the claimant to use more reliable data.
I am saying that because your sole source of evidence is a well-established liar and no credible sources confirm your liar's lies, your claim is unfounded. Further, I showed that your source is not US, although all the claims in the article are about the US state of mind. Why go beyond our borders when American news sources are more likely to accurate convey the American state of mind?
Further, I cited reliable polling data to show that fewer and fewer Americans believe Trump's Big Lie, disproving your claim.
This would be like me claiming the holocaust is fake, because some rabbi said it was real.
RationalWiki goes on to point out:
"Someone believing in multiple conspiracy theories or a unified conspiracy theory is also likely to have a completely distorted view of reality," citing Holocaust deniers as an example of someone so out of touch with the facts that they can be dismissed out of hand. I have no problem sealing you in that particular sarcophagi.
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-->@oromagiI don't know if they got the shot.
Well, you had the testimony of all the doctors, nurses and journalists in the room plus the testimony of the officer who investigated. You have zero ZERO witnesses saying that the doctors and the nurses faked getting the shot- but that is your lying headline "caught faking" when you have no kind of evidence of any kind that they were caught or faking anything.
Unfortunately they chose to pretend to take it for a photo op, instead of just videoing the real thing. We just have to take their word for it, which can be problem for convincing the vaccine skeptics the shot is safe to take
- So on the one hand we have the scientists who conquered and controlled polio, measles, chickenpox, mumps, SARS, ebola, dengue fever, encephalitis, cholera, yellow fever, bubonic plague, bird flu, typhus, AIDS, etc, etc, etc saying they have a treatment that proves 95% effective against getting COVID and even better at keeping the symptoms mild with almost no chance of serious side effects
- and other the other you have one grainy, edited-out-of-context video from Tumkur, India showing people you've never heard of posing as if they were getting the shot- everybody involved with the video confirms that the two subjects only delayed the shot until they got their paperwork.
and you choose believe a narrative invented anonymously on the internet over all this eyewitness testimony by named professionals. That's not being a vaccine skeptic- that is being a deliberate fool.
- It is not skeptical to say that any fictional narrative you can attach to a YouTube clip might serve as evidence against 900 million people vaccinated with fewer than 5,000 reports of any adverse reaction (mostly allergic reactions).
- It is not skeptical to headline "caught faking" when it was just a photo opportunity for promotional purposes, as you knew and concealed from your audience.
- A skeptic accepts the evidence when that evidence well answers questions and addresses doubt.
- A fool desperately manufactures narratives to reinforce bias at the expense of honesty.
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@oromagiI dispute number 2.I said that I disagree with photo ops instead of showing the actual shot, unless the photo ops are paired with a disclaimer that the footage is just a photo op and not showing the actual vaccination.
No, you didn't.
You said in POST#1
"why do journalists, politicians and nurses keep faking getting them, while simultaneously telling people they are safe?"
When you already knew that the doctor and nurses in the shot got the shot. If you had only disagreed with journalistic ethics and had not been primarily motivated by actively disseminating COVID misinformation (as you now admit), you would explained that in your first post. No, you clearly decided to print the lie and smother the truth.
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@FLRWWhen I was watching I thought he did. He got lucky. Not all survive the vaccine
So, just to establish the facts:
- A football player collapsed a couple of hours ago in England
- You falsely reported without a scrap of evidence that the player died
- You falsely reported without a scrap of evidence that the player had a vaccination yesterday
- You falsely claim that you "pray that the vaccine does not kill more young people" while actively inventing anti-vaccine disinformation that is far more likely to harm and kill young people than any vaccine.
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So, just to establish the facts-
- you posted an out of context viral video making false claims about doctors and nurses working in their official capacity to save lives.
- You read the perfectly rational explanation for the behavior depicted and decided to publish the lie without benefit of the context you had researched.
- You asked a series of questions in the guise of an uniformed person raising ethical concerns when in fact you were an informed person pretending not have the answers in order to promote the falsehood unethically.
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I think he got the first shot in may and the second shot yesterday. I just pray that the vaccine does not kill more young people.
bullshit. do you have any source saying that Erickson got vaccinated yesterday and was allowed on the field in violation of Euro2020 rules?
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@oromagiIt wasn't debunked LOL. They agreed with the skeptics who said it was faked. They used more agreeable terms though. Here you go https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/fact-check-officials-posing-for-covid-19-vaccine-is-not-what-it-looks-like-1761512-2021-01-21
You are deliberately stating misinformation. The article you provided (and apparently read before posting deciding to post the fake news) explicitly debunks your OP claim:
Fact Check: These officials posing for Covid-19 vaccine is not what it looks likeA video in which a man and a woman are seen posing for vaccination pictures is circulating on social media with the claim that officials in Karnataka’s Tumkur are faking it for the cameras while pretending to take Covid-19 vaccines.
A video in which a man and a woman are seen posing for vaccination pictures is circulating on social media with the claim that officials in Karnataka’s Tumkur are faking it for the cameras while pretending to take Covid-19 vaccines. The 43-second video also shows a nurse posing as if she’s administering injection to the duo.India Today Anti Fake News War Room (AFWA) has found the claim to be misleading. The officials in the video are Tumakuru district health officer (DHO) Nagendrappa and principal of district health coaching centre Dr Rajani M. The officials posed on request from the media. The Tumakaru district magistrate confirmed that they were later vaccinated on the same day.AFWA probeWith the help of keyword search, we found a news report published on January 16 on the website of Deccan Herald’s Kannada daily “Prajavani”. The report carried a picture of the same man seen in the video taking a jab.The picture caption in Kannada translates to, “DHO Nagendrappa getting vaccinated at Tumkur District Hospital”.We then reached out to Rakesh Kumar, the district magistrate of Tumakuru district.Rubbishing the viral claim, Kumar said, “The officials you see in the video did take the vaccine. The vaccination process that day was delayed due to technical reasons. For instance, the Co-Win application was not automatically allotting the sessions to registered candidates and officials had to do it manually. But the media could not wait till the official vaccination process began. That’s why the officials posed in that way. Later, all of them were vaccinated. We have also submitted a report on the matter to authorities concerned.Channabasappa K, the additional deputy commissioner as well as additional district magistrate of Tumakuru, also confirmed that the viral claim is misleading.“The claim that the district health officials faked the vaccination is not true. When I conducted an inquiry, it was revealed that due to technical issues with the Co-Win application, the vaccination process was delayed. However, since the media was in a hurry to leave, the officials posed for a few clicks. They were later vaccinated on the same day,” Channabasappa confirmed.We also spoke to Tumakuru DHO Nagendrappa, the man seen in the viral video.Speaking to AFWA, Nagendrappa said, “According to the Co-Win application, our date of taking the first shot was not January 16. However, we were later informed to pre-pone the date to January 16, the first day of the vaccination drive. So, we had to re-register and the process got delayed. However, the media was in a hurry to leave after covering our vaccination. So, we finally decided to pose for some pictures.”AFWA also received a clarification note by Dr Rajani M, principal of the district health coaching centre and the woman seen in the viral video. The note with her letterhead was written to the district information officer confirming that she took the Covishield shot on January 16.Dr Rajani also submitted a copy of her jab certificate. In this, it can be seen that she took the Covishield vaccine on January 16, 2020, from the Tumakuru district hospital.AFWA then spoke to Rangaraju, reporter of Kannada daily “Vartha Bharati” who was present at the Tumakuru district hospital on January 16.“I was among the media personnel in the same room at Tumakuru district hospital where the video in question was shot. The media had no time to wait till the official process started. We asked the officials to pose for us so we could leave at the earliest. Unfortunately, someone shot the video and that went viral with misleading claims,” Rangaraju said.India Today stringer at Tumakuru, Devaprakash, was also present at the hospital at that time. He too confirmed that the officials posed on request from the media and they later got vaccinated.Hence, it is clear that the viral video only shows the district officials posing for the media ahead of the official vaccination drive.(With inputs from Nagarjun Dwarakanath in Bengaluru)
So, just to establish the facts-
- you posted an out of context viral video making false claims about doctors and nurses working in their official capacity to save lives.
- You read the perfectly rational explanation for the behavior depicted and decided to publish the lie without benefit of the context you had researched.
- You asked a series of questions in the guise of an uniformed person raising ethical concerns when in fact you were an informed person pretending not have the answers in order to promote the falsehood unethically.
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