secularmerlin

What do you mean by intentional? What does that word mean to you?

Do you recognize only physical injury as potential harm? 

@Buddamoose @TheDreadPirateRoberts @kindertina @earth 

Not it!

What about those things makes them objectively evil? Are there mitigating circumstances like murdering a murderer? Is there a difference in your mind between killing and murder if so what is that difference and is that difference objective or subjective?

Eikka has no real use for wealth beyond simple comforts. Protecting our friends seems like a good use of our money. I have a bag of silver shavings too should we make a "donation" to the church in exchange for holy water?

Eikka listens for a time. Also looks about a bit. Is this a defensible building?

I think you and I may also disagree on the degree to which "intentionally" matters and possibly about its meaning.

We could measure actions by that standard though we are not guaranteed to define harm the same way in every case.

I spend my 'light activity' cleaning or helping out with simple tasks. I also pray to Zud for understanding of recent events.

She will rest there if they have a cell available for wandering clergy. 

Eikka not having ridden a horse goes to the chrurch.

Only if they can agree on a standard of morality for the purposes of the discussion. As an example I do not agree that the bible is a good authority on morality and you don't believe that anything else can be but we could for the purposes of this discussion agree that we will base our arguments about morality on what promotes human wellbeing and then we could make objectively true statements based on that criteria. Agreeing on a basis for comparison is the only way to remove subjective opinion from the argument. Unless we remove subjective opinion from the argument we become like three year olds yelling "is not" "is too" at each other ad nauseam.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Some place to rest first.

If you do not know what you mean by good and evil (or cannot articulate it) then how shall we have an intellectual conversation on the subject?

Well Snerp talk us in.

What is good? How do you determine good from evil? We need a common standard or our conversation will be meaningless.

@Drafterman 

Eikka votes yes.

(It is dusk of the third day we are about to be out in the open at night in ravenloft. Get ready because we may not get a long rest before the sun comes up.)

Ismark has my war trophy (The ogre hand) I gave it to Ismark for luck just before the battle.

(Ismark is a pie by now.)

(We can't come back here without a clear advantage.)

(They took snippets of hair from us, or in your case some other physical trinket. Lord knows there was plenty of your blood around. Do you know the kind of advantages that gives them over you?)

(They have our hair dude)

(We are heading for Valiki, that makes the village we just left behind us and Eikka will always vote to go forward.)

@Buddamoose @TheDreadPirateRoberts @kindertina @earth @Drafterman 

This place is not safe. We must find a place to camp. In the meantime I cast prayer of healing.

Good and evil are subjective and we would have to agree on a standard upon which to base them before we can discuss them rationally. As for justifying knowledge I'm not sure quite what you mean. If you mean epistemologically then probably not. If you mean morally then that depends on what we consider moral and why.

@Buddamoose @TheDreadPirateRoberts @kindertina @earth 

What happened? Did we win? Where are the children? this last is spoken with more urgency.

No I have not.

So all value is subjective.

We assign value to our world. That includes moral values.

Grahf and Snerp and Eikka all have healing. Eikka has prayer of healing. Ten minutes and everybody gets 4-18 hp restored. Of course grahf has lay on hands for the couple of Hit points each to walk away immediately.

(So how are you getting us all out of here?)

(So we kinda let the kids down and got Ismark killed and our hair probably puts us at the mercy of these hags so we can't afford to come back oh and I'm not sure if we get Ireena or Luraxt back since they were upstairs where Roberts pointed when he was saying what the hags get to keep.)

We assign value to things. Value is subjective. Things have meaning only because we assign value to it. Unless you can demonstrate an objective value system I have no reason to believe in one.

I can't know for certain but I have no reason to think that it has any meaning in the first place so until that is demonstrated this is all just conjecture.

Then we cannot say if god is moral by that standard. If we cannot say that god is moral we cannot say that god is a moral authority.

No I cannot but the universe would not stop existing if it had no meaning therefore meaning is unnecessary to existence therefore unless it can be demonstrated we can dismiss any claim that it does have objective meaning.

Does god cause harm or allow harm through willful inaction?

It's hard to be certain. I know she used the sign for queen sometimes when referencing herself despite the fact that her trainers rarely used that sign. Do you think koko was self aware? I would think so but it is beyond my epistemological limits to say for certain.

What standard are we basing right and wrong upon?

Without a better definition of delusion I do not know if I can agree with your assessment and I still don't agree that it make you qualified to speak on her behalf even if you are right.

Our opinions are the only thing that render meaning onto the reality unless you can demonstrate otherwise.

You are not qualified to answer for janesix

What would make some god(s) a moral authority?