secularmerlin

Probably.

I spend a round examining the cat. Few things here are as they seem.

I search for the source of the sound.

Yes that is Why it is beyond us as humans. That is what I said after all.

That is my next action then.

(Do I notice snerp's predicament on my way to the last room?)

One door left.

Mage hand sorry

I check the closet trusting grahf to mace hand that trunk open.

I head across the hall to the facing door.

I head for the next room without a word.

Well it may be beyond humans to say with certainty. Which was the next point I intended to make next. Humans know very little about reality as compared with how much of it there seems to be.

(Your a rogue do you have the ability?)

(Should I be the one checking for traps? I suppose so. Used to be a specialized skill just for rogues. From now on I can start doing it if it's a skill that I possess.)

Drafterman if it's not too late I check for traps with the appropriate cantrips on myself instead of making Snerp do it.

@TheDredPriateRoberts @Earth

Ebuc can we agree that reality is as reality does?

@Drafterman

I'm going to cast resistance and guidance cantrips on you while you check for traps and try to open the door.

I cast the aforementioned spells. 

Crossbow at the ready as usual.

Agreed. I shout back over my shoulder.

(We tend to end up together up front a lot. Maybe we should have a secret handshake or something.)

Up we go. Try to keep up this time boys.

Whatever else happens I'll cast resistance on you before you get in that thing but yeah let's look for a way up and down one more time first

I keep my spells the same. Hey won't the gnome fit in the dumb waiter?

That reality is as reality does is self evident even if I am wrong about what reality is because that is a tautology. That this reality is or contains some god(s) including your god which you happen to call truth is not self evident. Unless you are not actually talking about a god when you say truth we are not discussing the same thing. I believe in truth but Truth has not been demonstrated to me. They are not the same thing and I have no reason to believe that there can be no truth without truth. That this is the case is your claim which puts the burden of proof on you. You have the right to believe anything even if what you believed were provably false rather than simply not provably correct but don't be surprised when others do  it accept your claims if you do not meet your burden of proof.

Honestly you haven't even been able to explain why you believe it. You just keep repeating what you believe and expecting me to accept it because you are using the word Truth as a name for your hypothetical god.

You have also quoted the bible, a book that is clearly scientifically inaccurate and self contradictory if taken at face value.in fact even if it should not be taken at face value and is subject to interpretation the contradictory nature of the book means that one can interpret it to mean almost anything. 

I think we must not be having the same conversation because the things you are claiming are not self evident to me.

You are clearly mistaken as I do believe in quantative truth but not in the hypothetical entity you refer to as the Truth. You are making conjecture about quantative reality which is far different from demonstrating something about quantative reality.

You don't need to demonstrate that the truth equals the truth you need to demonstrate that Truth equals truth. You are the one who has created a differentiation between the two. You very clearly do not mean quantative or quantifiable truth.wwhen you say Truth.

I haven't made an argument I have just failed to accept your claim.

Facepalm

Generally the closest humans can come to truth is scientifically provable. There is of course the actual quantative truth which is probably always going to be beyond the understanding of humans but that just means any discussion of it will perforce be pure conjecture. We litteraly cannot know if that reality is or contains any god(s). If you mean anything by truth other than these two things then we are not discussing the same thing and not believing in the hypothetical thing you propose and insist on calling truth does not make it nonsensical to believe in truth as quantitative or scientifically provable truth.

In other words Truth does not equal truth. At least you have not demonstrated that Truth equals truth.

Arquabus

Some things are true and some things are false. That is some things are factually accurate. This statement is not invalidated if your hypothesis about truth being an entity is actually false.

You can't just say "hey my god is the truth so without my god no truth could exist" I mean you can but that is a claim and you haven't demonstrated your claim. How can we possibly test that hypothesis? If you are wrong then clearly there are still things that are true. The problem owes I think not so much of our having  different definitions for the word truth as by your failure to recognize that when I say truth must exist I am talking about a very different concept than you do when you say it.

Glarking undead! If you speak orcish that curse turns your stomach if not, well it still sounds pretty nasty. I hate the idea of spending the night in there.

I'll take first watch.

I'm going to get the children and bring them in.

What leads you to believe that any guiding force is necessary? Why couldn't the universe just work on its own? Why couldn't it be a space wizard or a spaghetti monster? Why do you believe in your particular god concept? This has been my real question from the beginning. You have done your best, so far as I can tell, to explain what you believe but you don't seem to have an answer for why beyond tautalogical claims and non sequiturs. 

(Probably but my character is very deliberate.)

What does that mean "lord" especially since you said we have no way of knowing if this being, or whatever it is, has conciousness? What qualifies as a lord?

If you admit that we cannot know the ultimate truth then why do you also claim to know it is god? Isn't that a contradictory position?

What's in the crib?

I agree whole heartedly. That makes the real task determining the difference between the two. I'm still not even sure how you determine what an eternal truth is from your perspective but whatever it is you haven't explained how you know it exists as more than just the mundane physical workings of the universe. 

Yes please.