secularmerlin

So this hypothetical thing, whatever it is, cannot be measured in any way and is indistinguishable from everything else? What is the practical difference from our perspective between this entity and no entity at all? That is if it is undetectable how do you know it is there?

Cast guiding bolt.

Yes so you have said before. I'm just not completely sure what you mean by it. Does this thing have specific describable attributes? Does it accomplish tasks or give of measurable amounts of energy that can be distinguished from the background energy of the universe itself?

(Gee thanks)

At this point I don't even know what you mean by truth. Can you give me an example of an eternal truth without making a tautology?

What qualifies as eternal in an ever-changing universe? The suffering of humans is at least as eternal as the human race is. Are you sure this isn't just a convenient excuse to dismiss truths that do not support your hypothesis?

Truth is truth and that inocent people suffer is true. I'm not sure how you are differentiating this truth from the truth you claim to worship but making that distinction would seem to cheapen the truth.

It is true that children occasionally get bone cancer. Do you love that truth?

So you believe that whatever the truth is is true and you worship the concept of truth even if it is an unconscious abstract force. Unless I am missing something.

So you are not claiming that The truth is a concious entity? Yes or no will do nicely.

I cannot gaurantee that ants have any conciousness. In the same way I'm unsure if you are describing a concious being as separate from the concept of truth (that which is factually accurate) or not. The truth is that you are not describing you capitol g god very well. So far you have just stated a tautology and claimed that this tautology is inseparable from this hypothetical being which may or may not be Yahweh (You have yet to confirm or deny that it is Yahweh under discussion).

So are you ascribing conciousness to the truth or merely willing to worship that which is factually accurate whether it has conciousness or not? 

Except that you say truth you are referencing an entity. That the truth is true is tautalogically true but it remains true even if Yahweh is not part of that truth. Why do you believe that Yahweh specifically is a part of the truth?

Again this is what you believe not why you believe it. Would you prefer to discuss it privately wouldvthst make it easier for you to explain yoir position?

I'm not actually arguing at all. I'm trying to determine why you believe what you believe.

Oh are we discussing Yahweh?

Have you ever been wrong? Isn't that proof that you could be wrong now? Why don't you want to address the why part of what do you believe and why?

I understand that you believe that but you still haven't explained why. Why do you believe that reality, assuming reality exists at all, is anything other than what it seems?

(Kewl)

But why do you believe that? This is what you believe and why. Also I have no reason to believe in any god(s) so I'm not sure we can refer to this hypothetical entity as my god.

I cast the resistance cantrip on myself. Whatever this thing does when it touches you I want a saving throw boost. 

This addresses what you believe but not why. Why must this "ultimate reality" be any god let alone your god? As a bonus you might tell me which god we are discussing if you have a specific god concept in mind.

And why do you believe this?

And how have you determined that?

If I feel threatened I fire my crossbow. Have I seen into the crib yet?

If you think interaction with my perceived "reality" proves that it is real then you have missed the point.

So you have perceptions and if these perceptions accurately reflect reality then we can make certain inferences from those perceptions. The real question is how do we know that our perceptions do accurately reflect reality. Now there is no point in behaving as though what we perceive is not real since it is the only "reality" we know but it is still beyond our epistemological limits to say with certainty that it is real.

I am approaching. You didn't think I would hesitate just because the gnome said something did you? I just want to get close enough to see the baby.

Are you implying that truth is an entity with a conciousness of some kind?

I slowly approach. I expect to see a dead baby but I must make sure.

I will not leave until I am sure the child is either safe or dead.

(Wow things have changed)

Turn undead 

(If we haven't searched the whole third floor I check out whatever is left)

There are tons of claims.

In that case a behavioral biologist might well classify you as an omnivore.

Mostly because no one seems to be able to produce any evidence one way or the other.

I choose the middle decisively. 

I check out the last room.

I head upstairs reloading my crossbow on the way.

Do you not consider doing the "right" thing and doing things that benefit society as being your best you?

I shield bash the armor while I switch from crossbow to mace.

Perhaps but I don't think humans have those kind of answers.

I fire my crossbow into the armored visor

That is not the same as our shared reality and that answer is not addressing how you would like me to handle the conversation. 

Have you always been a vegetarian?