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Eh, I think this is kind of why the site is dead. I was looking over people I remembered from the past who had colorful, strongly held opinions and many of them have been banned or just stopped posting.

btw, u seem like a very uninformed White. 

The DEI can help you understand 

It was the slave traders who first called black people "negro" which then evolved to a derogatory term in light of their perceived inferiority of intelligence and social status. 

Black people adopted the n-word from the white rednecks 

If N-word is not insulting, you either don't know what it means or you pretend you don't, or you choose to not act repulsively 

The N-word is extremely racist no matter who says it. Black people must have internal societal racism issues  

Albert Camus' The Stranger. A book I hated tbh. I think Tony's daughter is reading it at some point too. But the show seemed to dive into the absurdity of Tony's life and make some meaning in it that that book didn't with Meursault.

The whole humans are inherently sinful story, ask forgiveness and be forgiven, gild the church in gold, is obviously to give carte blanche to the person who buys in to do whatever shitty thing is in their heart without ever having to give a thought to who and what they are afterwards. They're a Christian. 

It did drop that far. You were here with BSH1 and saw how active and superior debaters were. Do you not remember?

I think the fact that he’s not a traditional politician made him win. Middle America has perished due to the career politicians. Trump was smart enough to channel that energy and a great people person. People love an underdog story.

Well in 2020 he was the president, so I'd give him a 2-0 record here. He deserves some credit for that but that's kind of it, I think anyone would have close to 50% odds of winning the presidency once they win a primary. Nothing convinces me he did better than a generic Republican would in a general election.

He could never get more than 50% of the vote. His record is hardly unprecedented. Are we just pretending that presidents like Bush, Obama, and Reagan never existed? Trump is a rich TV personality who invested his name branding in winning a Republican primary in a crowded field after Democrats had the White House for 10 years and made voters tired of them. Then a bunch of inflation happened under Biden. It's not much beyond that.

I will just comment on a few things. Your case is that the illegal immigrant population is a net negative when factoring their children, which most studies don't do. But that's also the case for the vast majority of the American population, should we deport them too? Educating children is expensive but it's not an expense as much as it's an investment, and children of illegal immigrants tend to do very well later in life compared to their US born counterparts, so this argument falls flat to me.

It is telling that when I talk about tearing people away from their lives, families, friends, and communities, all you heard is "they're being mean". Such childishness is usually at the core of MAGA aligned thinking.

Third, I would not be ok with that Democratic president violating the rights to these chavs, like due process, and using gross tactics to hunt them down like doing workplace raids and getting rid of people who've been here for years and even decades, haven't done anything wrong and are actually working and contributing.

Fourth, to answer your question directly, what I would support is that we follow the law and get rid of whoever we get rid of in accordance with normal enforcement of those laws. I wouldn't be ok with deportation forces being unleashed upon the entire country, especially when, curiously, those forces would be concentrated in red states where they are least unwanted.

Sixthed, this entire analogy is deeply flawed. Of course I would have a problem with a group of people being "let in" because of their political ideology, but that's putting the cart before the horse. The communities closer to the illegal immigrant population do not support democrats because they're just naturally democrat, they support democrats because of how you guys treat them. Of course these chavs would vote against my side of my side's entire ethos was that the key to making our lives better was to get rid of them. So no, you don't get to oppose someone's existence in your country and then pretend the reason your opposition is justifiable is because of their political views when their political views are mostly self defense against your opposition.

No, that's when we turn to the data which tells us that overall, illegal immigrants contribute far more in taxes than they receive in public services.

Because I'm not trying to justify going around the country and rounding up millions of white people to deport them. I'm not the one looking at a situation where white people are being sent purposefully by this administration to a foreign torture prison on an effective life sentence and shrugging it off cause they shouldn't have come here, as if illegally crossing a border warrants life in prison.

Our positions do not resemble each other. Mine is a combination of pragmatism and human decency, yours is one of bigotry and indifference dressed up as reverence for the rule of law.

Rome literally fell because it stopped asking immigrants to become Roman. Once Rome had a  critical mass of people who lived in Rome, but had no Roman values, that was the inevitable collapse of a great nation.

So it's not really immigration that's the real issue. It's the assimilation that is the issue, which is impossible to accomplish with illegal migration.

Waving Mexican flags in the streets, singing the anthem in Spanish....

If these people were en masse not contributing to the economy, I would care. They are. If these people were en masse not respecting their communities by violating laws (other than existing here), I would care. They are.

I tend to be very critical of white people, particularly in most matters of racial tension because I find that white people tend to have a very self centered viewpoint which fails to recognize what it's like to not be white. That is very different from disliking white people.

Whether you want to call it punishment, violation of rights, or something more benign is irrelevant. Deporting someone is a depravation of what that person currently has, you cannot rationally or rightfully support that without some underlying reason, a mere technicality of whether that person is here lawfully fails.

This is the only thing that makes sense to me. Look I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm genuinely trying to understand if there is some other reason people have for their intense focus on this issue, I just can't find one. I would love to think better of people, I'm just waiting for someone to provide me a reason to

We do still disagree on ethnocentrism, I am sure you are stronger on that than me. However, I learned why it matters. I realised why ethnic unity if not identity, is inevitably to anunified society. It is why black people form brotherhood and sisterhood among themselves after all.