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@Subutai
lmao oof
DART is scoring significantly more negative than DDO did
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@spacetime
My score went down from 5 to 4 cuz you added the question about growing your own food >:-/
start a garden Loser
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@Outplayz
oof yourself... i got a good score.
go tf to church
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@blamonkey
yea we have been dating for seven years so i think their reaction was more like “about time” lol
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@Imabench
new rule: one point for every year you’ve been on ddo, now we’re all set
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@bsh1
thank you! It was at this plantation house that is randomly in the middle of Dallas, she really loves old houses. Friends and family cake after...it was very wholesome. I was nervous af
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Scores:
Thett3: 3
Supadudz: 9
Bsh1: -6
UtherPenguin: -7
Ramshutu: -9
RationalMadman: ~1
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@RationalMadman
Because a couple of questions forced a ridiculous range where 'none' would be a lie but the next option up would be too high etc, I had '.5' answers and such.I will tell you that I am approximately a solid 1 (not negative) overall. With a range of +/- 1.5 depending how you truly look at my situation and force the range upon them with the in-between answers.
False. This quiz is perfectly scientific, it might be one of the most rigorous works of social science out there
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The average dog is a much better pet than the average cat, but the best cats are absolute legends and blow even the best dog out of the water. Both excellent animals though
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@RationalMadman
fair enough, the test is silly but it is also revealing in some ways
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@Vader
well a wariness around dogs would be understandable then in your case. Cats are legendary tho
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@Vader
thats an amazing score, the second highest that I’ve seen. When this quiz was on ddo Badger got around a 20, and skep was 11. Most people were negative: https://www.debate.org/forums/personal/topic/114882/2#3025415
my fiance got a 9 which is epic
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Re upping this quiz I made long ago. Obviously you should strive for as high a score as possible
Obviously you should strive for as high a score as possible
Where do you live?
California: -2 points
Urban: -1 points
Suburban: 0 points
Rural: 2 points
Where did your family come from?
A different country than the one I'm currently living in: -1 point
A different state/province/region than the one I'm currently living in: 0 points
The same state/province/region: 1 point
The exact same area. All four of my grandparents grew up within fifty miles of where I currently live: 2 points
What proportion of your extended family lives within an hour from you?
None: -1 point
Less than 25%: 0 points
Between 25% and 50%: 1 point
More than half: 2 points
Do you have a regional accent?
No: -1 point
Yes, slight: 0 points
Yes, recognizably so: 1 point
Yes, and people who speak my native language from different parts of the country can barely understand me: 2 points
How often do you attend religious services?
Never: -1 point
Annually: 0 points
Once a month: 1 point
Once a week or more: 2 points
Do you come from a religious tradition?
Yes, but no longer practice: -2 points
No, and not a convert to any religion: -1 points
No, but converted to a religion: 0 points
Yes, still practice: 1 point
Yes, still practice with my family at the same church I went to as a child: 2 points
How many children do you have or plan to have?
Zero: -1 point
One: 0 points
Two: 1 point
Three or more: 2 points
What is your occupation?
Officer worker/white collar: -1 point
Blue collar: 0 points
Skilled tradesman/stay at home mom: 1 point
Skilled trademan, doing the same job that my father did: 2 points
How well do you know your neighbors?
Don't know their names: -1 point
Have interacted with them on rare occasions: 0 points
First name basis: 1 point
Know you could depend on them in a survival situation: 2 points
If male, how often do you pee outside?
Never: -1 point
On hikes or trips to the woods: 0 points
Occasionally, especially when doing yard work: 1 point
The majority of the time: 2 points
Which circumstances best describe your significant other?
Grew up on opposite sides of the country/globe: -1 point
Came from the same state, region, or province: 0 points
Share the same home town: 1 point
Share the same home town and religious tradition, families were acquainted before you got together: 2 points
Do you own any animals?
No: -1
Yes, but only pets: 0
Yes, livestock: 1
Yes, livestock, which are descended from my ancestors flock/herd: 2
Do you grow any of your own food?
No: -1
Yes, I have a small garden: 0
Yes, the majority of my property is dedicated to agriculture: 1
I'm literally a subsistence farmer: 2
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@Alec
lets do it, anything in particular you wanna debate
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@Alec
i will obliterate you, like the US will obliterate Africa after you become president and conquer it
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@coal
powerful endorsement. I thank you
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@Analgesic.Spectre
Also, you don't have to murder or kick out anyone. Impose a non-announced White only policy for immigration. Give further tax breaks to people who know a certain amount of English words. Pay people with 130 I.Q.+ to have children. Devise a tricky citizenship test. You'll have a combination of less non-Whites entering and less non-Whites choosing to stay. Those are things I've thought of off the top of my head.
I support a total moratorium on all immigration outside of around 100,000 a year for highly specialized scientists/engineers/whatever so no argument here. But what about the people already here? Non hispanic whites are only around 50% of the births in this country--demographic change in the US is a fait accompli. If you care about the fate of white people (or just people in general) we're going to have to find a way to make this work or it's just going to continue to escalate into outright violence. And again, there have been multiethnic societies of the past that have done well, and they did it by having all sorts of mechanisms to minimize conflict. As an example, lowering the stakes of national politics by devolving political power to the states would help a LOT imo.
Historically, this is precisely how Whites have thought. Again, it's only due to the authoritarian jam-down of the left, the story about racist oppression and whatnot, that has all of these Progressive types voting against their racial group. The Jewish legacy media, the Progressive schools, the anti-racism laws, the black-balling of scholarly opposition to the narrative etc.-, they have to have virtually an ideological stranglehold on most institutions just to maintain the narrative. These Progressive Whites are abnormal, brainwashed people.Think about it. What kinds of people do you get on the Progressive left? Is bright purple hair normal? Is tattoos everywhere normal? Is calling people who disagree with you literally Hitler a normal thing to do? What about dozens of random piercings? What about furries? Bronies?Sure, it's hard to get people to vote as a block, but getting them *not* to vote as a block is even harder. Sure, you'll get some collateral damage. But people's intention is to vote for their racial in-group, and there will be the odd exception (unless brainwashing is involved, as is the case with Progressives).
It just isn't that simple for whites, who are an incredibly diverse group across the country. You can get whites in rural Texas and rural Georgia to vote as a block. You can get whites in Manhattan to vote as a block. Can you get those two groups to vote as a block for the same party? Their hatreds for each other far outstrip any ill will they feel towards people of other races. Whites are currently split about 60-40. For all practical purposes, that may as well be 50/50. How do we unite them all under one banner?
No doubt there is a lot of brainwashing. It's amazing how conservative white people still are given that every important institution in the country is controlled by left hands down.
Again, the top personal identifier, out of all racial groups (including Whites), is race/ethnicity (albeit for millennials). Please explain to me, because you'd be the first person on this site to even address it, how people could rate race as their most important personal identifier (by an overwhelming margin for most races), and then not vote based on it?
When it comes to millennial whites in particular you have to wonder how much of that racial identification isn't in the sense you want, but in the sense of "I recognize my privilege as a white person."
But yeah I don't disagree with you that many people vote based on their identity, which itself is heavily influenced by race. In a society where all 320 million Americans of different races have to have almost all of their rules decided by one federal government that is a massive problem. In a better version of America where a man who is proud to be black and only wants to interact with black people is allowed to live in a black neighborhood, send his kids to a black school, and be have most of his rules set by black leaders---who DONT set rules for whitey---this would be much less of a problem.
How do we do this? DEVOLUTION OF POWER. I know, I know, it isn't ALL that simple. But enough people prefer the company of their own race that given enough time internal migration patterns would pretty much sort people into living with their own race. Multicultural places would also exist, and that's fine too.
I cannot emphasize enough how much giving as much power to as local a level as possible would help things. Example: take a look at the 2016 election. America pretty much voted 50/50, with Clinton winning by 2%. How many states were decided by less than 2 points? 6, or about 10%. Now take a look at the county map (https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/president) just play around...how many counties were decided by less than 2%? Far fewer than 10%.
Now look at the PRECINCT map (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/upshot/election-2016-voting-precinct-maps.html). How many of those were decided by less than 2%? Almost none. And of those that were, almost all of them border heavily red and heavily blue precincts suggesting that within them there would also be a stark divide.
Do you see the point? In general, the more local you go, the more harmonious you get. The way to deescalating political conflict in the USA is localism, not white nationalism. My ideal society is not very likely, but it's a lot more likely than a critical mass of Americans becoming white nationalists.
Tangent: Young white men must be extremely republican. Trump somehow pulled a win with whites 18-24, and he sure as shit did not come anywhere close to winning college aged white women.
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@Vader
was the conclusion satisfactory?
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@Tejretics
that makes a huge difference then...I didn’t pick the best example since it’s hard to imagine Silicon Valley not offering quite a bit of upward mobility.
You get the point though right? Check out the graph in this article (which vastly underestimates the run up in housing prices imo because jobs are increasingly consolidating in the places where homes are expensive and leaving the places where they are cheap) https://www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/article/4111845-careful-wish-inflation-much-higher-advertised
Things like education, childcare, housing, and health care are more expensive inflation adjusted than 20 years ago. Cars, clothes, cellphones, electronics...these are cheaper. One group of these is vastly more important than the other. Talking about “inflation adjusted” incomes without taking this into account is foolish. I really do think that living standards have declined as a “middle class” lifestyle becomes less and less attainable
^this all is way more of a rant about something that’s been bothering me than it is a reply to anything you said, btw
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@Tejretics
Thanks Tej, your linked study will be a lot of food for thought. You might not know this but economic mobility is something that interests me a lot. I’m at work (but Friday’s here are very slow) so I was only able to skim a bit of your study but here’s one excerpt that made me question some of the findings.
For example, the probability that a child reaches the top quintile of the national income distribution starting from a family in the bottom quintile is 4.4% in Charlotte but 12.9% in San Jose
San Jose is right in the middle of Silicon Valley so obviously there is a ton of true opportunity there...but the cost of living in the US varies substantially. Being in the top quintile of the national income distribution means a very different lifestyle in Charlotte than in San Jose, where a modest 3 bedroom house costs over a million dollars. If your dad made an inflation adjusted $50,000 a year when houses in your area were $200,000, and you make $100,000 when houses are $1,000,000, are you actually better off? I would say no, but the studies would say yes. So this is just one example of how you have to be very careful of these things!
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@Polytheist-Witch
how so? This thread probably has some of the best discussions this site has had in weeks
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@Tejretics
point me to some of it. I looked up Raj Chetty and the first thing I found was about socioeconomic status more than race but i didn’t research much at all.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there actually were benefits. I believe that multicultural spaces have their place and should exist, I just don’t think it’s a viable model for entire countries/societies. The world is so complicated, I tend to trust the things I can “see” (like looking at migration patterns such as white flight) over studies that simply can’t account for all the variables
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@RationalMadman
correct, clique theory (along with all posting) is by Losers and for Losers
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Studies which try and test a general hypothesis like 'diversity is good for education' will always be trash because there's no way to ethically eliminate the confounding variables during experimentation
Most research on diversity, or any social science research in general, is so political that if it isn’t completely fraudulent it’s at the very least intellectually dishonest. This is why there is a huge replication crisis in social science. More rigorous research that looks at specific groups of people in specific times and places and how they react to change paints a very different picture of diversity than all the rosy “studies”. It also paints a picture consistent of what actually happens (like white flight)
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@Greyparrot
yea when I say poverty I mean the culture associated with that. Ultimately good students make good schools, not the other way around and if we want to change the outcome of many people it involves changing the culture
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You know, I wonder how much of the achievement gap is simply down to learning style. Our modern society can’t accept the fact that people are different. Our educational system of “sit down for 8 hours and shut the fuck up” seems to work well for white girls but it goes over like a lead balloon for so many boys that millions of them have to be drugged to cope with it. I seriously doubt it is very effective for most black people. People learn differently. But to acknowledge that the difference would cluster in groups: DAS RACIST
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@Tejretics
Not to be “that guy” but I looked through your first four sources and only one actually talked about the effects and it said exactly what i would’ve expected—it talked about the performance on poor/minority students. The biggest problem with black/hispanic school performance is poverty (some people in this thread would argue that IQ is a big issue too and they’re not entirely wrong, but let’s just talk about poverty for now)
For your average poor student going from a poor to a rich school helps a great deal. But it’s a very fine line to walk because once you reach a critical mass of poor/minority students in a school rich/white parents will freak out and pull their kids out, sending them either to private school or moving. And suddenly it’s no longer a rich school district so your poor student is in the exact same position as before. The truth is that more than anything, good students make good schools, and if enough of them leave it’s no longer a good school.
And don’t underestimate how important people value “good schools”, PM me and I can show you how houses where I live in an excellent school district are twice as expensive as the ones where I work 25 minutes away that are in a horrible school district.
But anyway this is all not that relevant. The real history is that school integration in the US was literally forced upon the population at gunpoint. This article explains what it was actually like: https://devinhelton.com/busing-in-boston
An excerpt:
“When teacher Allan Cohen returned from summer vacation for the start of the 1968-1969 school year, he was shocked both at the school’s new racial composition and the behavioral changes in the students he had known the year before. From the first day of school it was clear that the teachers had lost control. Veteran teachers stood in silent shock as young blacks raced through the corridors trying out the black power slogans they had learned over the summer. The overall student body had shrunk to 754 students, of whom 32 percent were white. It had seemed, over the summer, that the great Lewenberg promise of integration had shattered. Drugged students fell off their chairs and were carried to the nurse’s office. White students huddled together for protection against roving extortion rings; fifty cents was the going price to avoid a beating. The largely inexperienced faculty and its principal, Luke Petrocelli, were at a loss. Of fifty-eight teachers, thirty-nine, including Cohen, had not taught long enough to receive tenure from the Boston School Department; nine faculty members were in their first year of teaching. Throughout that winter an average of nine teachers called in sick each day. Without teachers, students often sat all day in the auditorium and watched movies. In one fifteen-day period alone, school administrators counted 718 tardy students; average absenteeism was 178 students each day, roughly one out of four. Like the panic selling in the center sections of Mattapan, these disruptions defied explanation.”
Busing destroyed communities and made the US population distributed in an extremely inefficient way. Probably the worst policy of the last century tbh
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@TheHammer
thank you sir. perhaps that will be a future endeavor. in case it wasnt obvious, DDO High School and this story take place in the same universe, perhaps we can do a past/future type thing of nesting stories starting in Thett3's day and ending in sevenths
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Political timeline in case anyone is confused:
2000: President Bush is elected, Airmax1227 is his VP
2002: President Bush resigns after the Trade War ends in a disaster
2004: President Airmax elected in a landslide, he brings President Bush as his VP to unite the party
2007: President Airmax is forced to resign after a video of him in high school performing an ebonics version of the Scarlet Letter is revealed
2008: Obama elected
2012: Obama loses the nomination to TUF, who wins the election
2016: Trump beats TUF
2020: Kayne West defeats Trump in a landslide
and yes, it's over. to all my fans: I thank you. To all my haters: I say, well, at least now you know its over
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Thett left his castle for the last time as a man with a plan. Perhaps it was Kanye's plan all along, or perhaps Providence had smiled upon them, but Thett could sense that many of the problems plaguing this country were about to be permanently solved. Kanye's 4D chess would ensure that political conflict was solved, and that a better country would emerge from the ashes of his presidency. Royal and Seventh's breakthrough with clique theory would fix social dynamics by allowing people to truly understand one another, and themselves.
All at once, things were going to get radically better. There was only one thing left to do.
With all that had been going on, he had completely forgotten. Thett was not broke after all. Some time ago, he had decided to be a TRUE pirate, and had buried $200 million worth of Gold, Silver, and various gemstones in a few locations around the world. He had laid out a map to the treasure through a challenge called Cicada 3301, but none had managed to find the treasure. It was with this money that Thett would play his part in fulfilling the system of American Idealism.
Thett had lived a truly amazing life, and he capped it off with a mysterious disappearance. But his destiny was not yet complete. Through all his adventures, he had always had a secret and embarrassing longing...he really wanted an office job. The thought of going to work every day and working in your own cubicle that you got to decorate all cute warmed his heart. He wanted nothing more than to discuss office drama around the water cooler. Throw in a modest 3 bedroom, 2 bedroom house, 2.5 kids and a dog...it sounded like absolute bliss.
But not all was perfect in suburbia. There was still a great deal of structural inequity that even Kanye and Royal couldn't fix. Thett had learned the hard way through his middle class upbringing that if you didn't have enough money, you really didn't have access to the legal system. Corporations, local governments, and celebrities all knew this which is why they felt free to push around the working man at will, knowing he had no legal means of fighting back. But that was about to change. Thett was going to achieve his dream of an ordinary life, but with one big exception. Thanks to his $200 million, whenever a corporation or government tried to take advantage of him...he was going to sue the shit out of them. No settling. No apologies. No goal other than to inflict the maximum amount of financial damage on powerful people who abused the working man. Through this, the system would finally change.
Now all he had to do was get a fake identity and find a job. Perhaps the military industrial complex would have a place for him...
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These bitter thoughts stayed with him as he made the drive from Camp David to his castle. As he walked up the massive driveway, he couldn't help but scoff at how ridiculous and opulent it all was. A Ferris Wheel in the front yard? A giant slide going from the top floor to the bottom? All of the portraits of himself? After meeting a truly powerful man in President Kanye West, it all seemed so absurd now.
Figuring he would spend one last night in his bed before the FBI tracked him down and arrested him, Thett stumbled to the master bedroom. Upon opening the door, he saw two girls sitting on his bed and giggling. One was an Indian girl, the other was one of the prettiest blondes Thett had ever seen.
"Thett! You're back! The media said you were missing but I knew you would come back!"
Thett stood there in shock until his foggy and distracted mind put the pieces back together. Could it actually be...
"Royal! Wow, I've only been gone a few months but for some reason it feels like you haven't been relevant for...like five or six years."
Royal had been Thett's apprentice before he left on his final pirating trip. He was teaching her in the ways of business, and as a way of trolling her he had pulled some strings to make her go back to high school as a joke while he was gone. After everything went south, he had totally forgotten about her.
"I'm here! And I now know why you sent me back to high school! Oh Thett, Seventhprofessor and I have it all figured out. The whole WORLD is high school!"
"Seventhprofessor?"
Royal gestured to the pretty blonde, who blushed.
"Are you ready to see our report?"
"Why not?"
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The trio went into the kitchen to discuss the report. Seventhprofessor brought out an extremely thick manilla folder, and slammed it onto the table.
"So after you left, I met Seventhprofessor and I infiltrated the popular clique. Messing around with them was fun at first, but I knew that you wouldn't have sent me back to high school if you didn't want me to learn something from the experience"
"H-haha y-yeah, definitely not."
"Right, so after a while I started taking careful notes. And after I showed them to Seventhprofessor, well..."
Seventhprofessor cleared her throat.
"It's called clique theory. There are and always will be 6 primary clique classifications:
Prep
Jock
Nerd
Scumbag
Loser
Woman"
And in this way, Thett was introduced to clique theory (http://www.cliquetheory.com/). They talked for hours and hours. About how Losers always Lose. About how Thett's dad was the prototypical scumgineer. About the difference between Scumbagettes and Hot Girls. And most of all, they spoke about how, unlike numbers, High School Never Ends.
He couldn't believe it. These two had cracked the code of human social dynamics. This knowledge simply HAD to be spread. But it couldn't be by him...his life as a celebrity was over. If he wanted to be a free man, it would have to be in exile.
So that's why, five hours into their conversation, Thett made his decision.
"Say Royal, how would you like to run my company from now on?"
"W-what?"
"How would you like to own my company? All I ask is that you use it to advance clique theory."
They signed the papers that night. In the morning, he was gone. That was the last time anyone ever saw Thett3.
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Thett walked out of Camp David in a daze. He strode past Mueller, who was saying something to him,but none of the words went through. Thett knew Kanye was a powerful man, but he had not expected to feel so lowly in comparison. Moreover, he had not expected the highly critical information he thought he was delivering to simply be apart of the plan--a plan in which he was even less than a pawn.
As he exited the premises, he decided that he was done. He was going home. Pulling out his iPhone, he summoned an Uber to drive him to his castle, which like Camp David,was in the woods of Maryland. On the ride he went back to contemplating his journey. It had truly felt like his life had all led up to this moment, like a narrative in which saving his beloved country from the Russians was the final act. And Kanye had shot it all down. On top of that, Thett knew he was under indictment for violating selectively enforced federal regulations and would likely be arrested as soon the government realized that he was still alive--more collateral damage in Kanye's master plan. He couldn't help but feel bitter after everything he had done...
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September, 2001. A post 9/11 meeting between President George W. Bush and Pat Buchanan changed the course of history. Buchanan convinced Bush that the neoconservative policies of his predecessors had caused this disaster, and as a result of this revelation the President had vowed to reorient his administration to serve right wing populist ends. Determining that trade with China was undermining industries critical to national security, Bush cancelled a free trade agreement. China objected, stating that this violated the NAP, and threatened the use of military force to defeat the dangerous nonsense of protectionism. Bush didn't back down, and on December 7th, 2001, 60 years after Pearl Harbor, the Trade War began, which Bush promised would be "good and easy to win."
Thett, then a senior at DDO High School (along with Bsh1 and YYW), was drafted into the US Navy. Thett had always dreamed of being a pirate, and in the Navy his job was to storm Chinese trade vessels and seize their products. It was just like being a pirate, and Thett had a grand time during the war, which unfortunately couldn't be said about everyone else. The Trade War was a disaster, as an unexpected Chinese naval victory crippled the US Navy and left the ground forces to fight a land war in Asia without resupply. President Bush immediately resigned and his Vice President, Airmax1227, successfully negotiated an end to the hostilities and the return of free trade. This disaster is what led to the libertarian atmosphere of the current day.
After the war hordes of bitter veterans unable to find a job, many of whom were still enamored with the ideology of protectionism, took to the seas and continued pirating Chinese trade vessels. The US governments failure to rein them in was a continuous source of tension, but under Airmax's libertarian policies, the military budget was slashed to the bone.
Meanwhile, Thett took his savings from his meagre military salary and got rich as a day trader. He won his start up cash by accidentally borrowing twenty three million dollars from his brokerage and investing it in highly risky options and then selling at the only moment that day when it would've been profitable. He posted about the incident on Reddit to try to understand what had happened (https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/7w6cq0/i_somehow_made_110k_this_morning_and_im_still_not/), but forgot to change up his investments, so the same thing happened the next day only with far more money. Suddenly, he was wealthy beyond his wildest dreams, and he leveraged this wealth into celebrity status becoming a rich and eccentric playboy. A brief career in the CIA led to a brief career in politics, followed by a much longer career in business. Thett ran a trust busting enterprise. Whenever a company like Amazon or Google got too big, Thett would create an alternative and use his star power to go after them.
Still, this didn't satisfy him. One day, at Ron Paul 2008 meeting, Thett had a revelation. Since the free market was ALWAYS best, it alone could solve the pirate issue. After the top regulatory mind in the world (Bsh1) took a look at the plan, the Thett3 Privateering Company was born. Thett hired a crew composed of high school friends and military buddies, with the plan to fight the pirates in exchange for pay and soon enough shipping companies were clamoring to hire them out for protection. Eventually Thett's fame culminated in the biggest honor of his life: a cameo appearance for him and his crew on the Spongebob Squarepants movie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohMzC_1W0ZY)
Thett had met kings and queens, presidents and dictators, had fought men and beasts. But it was all over now. His crew was dead. He was broke. And because he violated federal regulations, he was now a fugitive from the law.
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Sorry losers and haters, but my elo is one of the highest—and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure, it’s not your fault
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@TheRealNihilist
i have no idea why he made this thread
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@Greyparrot
sino futurism is lame tho if we have to get dominated by an asian power it should at least be glorious nippon
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