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@Yassine
- The most promising candidate so far. It would be interesting to live in a world where the leaders of the two superpowers are Chinese... Could be awkward too...
I hadn't actually thought of that angle. I wonder if it would hurt or help relations with China
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@Analgesic.Spectre
Personally, I think White Nationalism is the default for most Whites, due to the primacy of race in politics, albeit this is a bit debatable.I used to be one of those BadWhites. I was raised with all the brainwashing. I believed the 'everyone is equal' lies. You might have, at one stage, been one of those BadWhites, too. Yet I've become a pretty ardent White Nationalist. Some Whites might be genetically incapable of becoming a White Nationalist, but given the right environment, I think most Whites will revert to default White Nationalism.
In isolation, nationalism is going to be the default of any group. But I disagree with you that if we, for example, shut off all television and movies for five years, that most whites would become white nationalists. In a 95% white country, maybe. But not in a 60% white country. The thought of kicking out and/or murdering 40% of the population is way over the line for 99% of white people. How would the US even become white nationalist if all of the whites wanted it?
It's not the way forward. The way forward for whites (and everyone else) is to find a way to make this society work, and that would result in many overwhelmingly white communities that are allowed to exist unmolested because that's how most whites want to live. Same thing with most other ethnic groups. And people who want to live in multicultural spaces should be allowed to
Idk if this can be managed with "as little conflict as possible". I think that's what got Whites into this mess in the first place. I'm not saying that we need Christchurch 2.0, but Whites need to start embracing political conflict -- if we get our people in power, we need them to give Whites stuff at the expense of other races. This is precisely what other races do, and it works very well.
Whites are just too diverse of a group to think this way, imo. In 2016 middle aged, non-college educated whites DID vote as a block and enough of these people flipping from Obama to Trump is what won him the election. However you had other groups of whites swing left...and Spacetime is right that the primary cause of political instability in the US is conflict between whites. Frankly you're missing the key point here, which is that it is very difficult to convince a majority population to vote as a block. Why? Because most of the zero sum gains/losses of politics come from others within their own racial group. You can promise to give blacks (11% of the population) something at the expense of whites (~65% of the population), but giving something to, for example, non college educated whites without it coming at least partially from college educated whites would be impossible. It's just numbers.
Whites do vote as a block sometimes...when they are a minority. There are congressional districts in Texas where whites are in deep minority status that are kept red because those whites vote as a block and the hispanic majority doesn't (heres an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas%27s_23rd_congressional_district)
Minorities vote as ethnic blocks, majorities don't.
I don't want just a functional economy. I want my in-groups to be catered to by the government. Wanting anything else puts you at a disadvantage.
What if fellow whites are a big part of your out group? How do you convince those people to vote with you in a block?
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@spacetime
I also did a lot of research into the types of jobs where demand for labor is expanding, and it helped me regain faith in the idea that there are more jobs getting created than automated. I know we like mocking the idea of retraining with the "Learn to Code" meme, but I think that's a strawman -- there are more than enough medium-skilled, non-programming jobs that I can easily see former blue-collar workers getting retrained into.
Yeah, but "just go to the trades, man" is a meme too. It's true that there are a lot of technical blue collar jobs that don't have enough people working them and that are unlikely to be automated, but not nearly enough for every trucker, most retail workers, cashiers, etc.
I agree with you overall but there will be a pretty painful transition. Honestly I think behind the lofty rhetoric what Yang is really hoping to do is to get enough people to drop out of the workforce voluntarily so that there are jobs to go around for the remaining workforce. For example, I imagine a lot of married couples that can't get by on one income right now could do so if both parents brought in an extra $1,000 a month from Uncle Sam. I don't see how Yang hopes to get around the prices for everything just rising when we all get an extra $1,000 a month though...another reason why a negative income tax is better
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I realized last night that Yang is an actual techno Luddite. Absolute legend
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I can’t help but take some credit for this. He has this never ending investigation for over two years, I clown on Russiagate in my pirate story and suddenly he closes up shop?
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@spacetime
oh? Do tell
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@spacetime
One thing people overlook about automation in the near term...it’ll only take one instance of an automated truck failing and accidentally running down a dozen civilians before the technology is banned for a generation
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@Analgesic.Spectre
Okay, so White Liberals are arguably more leftist than Black Democrats, given that they emphasise the role of racial discrimination against Blacks, and seem less concerned with individual effort. I think this could be a correlation argument for the Progressive narrative not fading in intensity? The ideological narrative is so strong here that it has convinced Whites against their racial interest over that of Blacks, when both (millennial) racial groups rate race as their most important personal identifier: (https://imgur.com/a/MWT4uRo). In other words, Whites have been convinced, through mere words (which oppose their racial in-group preference) more convincingly than Black's far more powerful racial in-group bias.
Yeah, it really is insane. I'm hoping that it collapses under the weight of its own insanity and I think it's inevitable that it will but how long it can last remains to be seen.
However one minor nitpick about liberal votes going against their interests...they really aren't. Their out-group isn't black people or hispanics, its BadWhites. It's been obvious for years now that when progressives talk about how much they hate white people they aren't talking about themselves.
Firstly, the United States is roughly 75% White (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States). So, we're dealing with the problem 1/4 people cause, rather than nearly half.
If you count hispanic people as white it is. If you don't it's only 60% white and dropping rapidly. Non hispanic whites are already a minority among children under 5. Now some hispanics actually are white but the trend is clear...if you're worried about the USA becoming minority majority, too bad and too late. The question now is how do we manage this with as little conflict as possible.
Secondly, the United States could be partitioned into sections that reflects the interests of its people. If you have a place that is 90% White Christian, then you could tighten the borders, enforce a White only immigration policy (or something close to it), and the remove government ties with degenerate places like Detroit
I think when you decentralize things and devolve power from the federal government to as local a level as possible this basically happens without having to make it explicit. Of course we have an extremely long road to go down before we get there. I like Yang because what he's essentially doing is punching a giant hole through the democratic narrative by eschewing identity politics. If we can break the grip the insane racial narrative has on the left (who, lets be honest, control every important institution hands down) than we can actually start talking about the issues facing America and figure out a way to make this multi racial society work. And it can work...if by work you mean "is a functional economy that doesn't end in bloodshed."
I don't have all the answers, but when you find yourself in a hole the first step is to stop digging. Right now the US government is hellbent on spreading diversity to white areas. Just stopping that would go a long way, and so would policies that keep people from moving around so much. We should encourage people of all races to set down roots and create multi generational communities. I don't have the time to go into it right now but the neoliberal project and therefore the US government is the exact opposite of this
I posted it above (I think in response to RM), but just look and see how ideology and nationality take a back seat, in terms of personal importance to millennial Americans (https://imgur.com/a/MWT4uRo). . . Hispanics follow a similar trend, but to a far less extent. That's why you get at least half of most foreign ethnic groups living in the United States (i.e. legal citizens) not even considering themselves to be America (https://imgur.com/a/pyFhLzv).
Yeah well millennials have had their minds totally addled by mass media and the internet. There really isn't much hope for that generation. But I don't disagree with what you say here...the last statistic about many minorities not considering themselves American's is especially depressing. The establishment GOP says we are a proposition nation but they also don't care if immigrants agree with those propositions. Immigration really needs to slow down and it would've been great if Trump had been able to trade DACA for cuts in legal immigration like he wanted to, but our real rulers, the courts, said no.
Yang sucks on immigration but immigration policy is set in stone for the foreseeable future. Which is sad bc even from a pro immigrant perspective our policies are stupid
You don't think that Blacks, Hispanics and Asians will fight for land? You don't think they'll want to get some freebies from the U.S. government? ALL groups have a problem with each other: that's how politics work. It's just a matter of time before interests between groups conflict, people revert back to their base instincts (i.e. tribalism), and then you have fighting for resources. You cannot unify these people when the most important thing to them (race) makes them enemies.
I fully agree, but I think the point you're missing is that there are different degrees of conflict. Any multi ethnic country is going to have conflict, but you don't have to go out of your way to make it worse, which is what the federal government has been doing for decades. Yang is going out of his way to make it better.
And we can still be superficially unified by a civic identity. It will never be as strong as a "blood and soil" nation with roots as a people and culture stretching back millennia but it doesn't have to be a low key war zone either
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@Wylted
Some good points but how can I be sure that he is an enemy to the establishment? Like I would legit work to get Kanye West elected. I have a lot of hate for the people who destroyed this country ( kept it from being optimally best for society)
I do too and would also vote for Kanye in an instant. And the point you're getting at is true. The monsters who own this country would benefit under a Yang presidency because they'd benefit under anyone who stabilizes the current system.
But at some point you have to look past getting revenge and look towards making things work as best as they can for you. What is the alternative? Trump was the last chance to spit in their eye before they won...and we got it. But unless he rapidly turns things around and stops doing nothing but live tweeting Fox News and complaining about SNL reruns, he's done. So you can either stew in bitterness and anger about the previous political conflict that we lost, or you can join the Yang Gang and look towards the future.
Politics is never over. The failure of Trump makes it clear that the left won this "round"...but we have a whole new set of political issues coming up in the next few decades, and Yang is the only one who is getting the jump on them. And while I don't agree with his social views or his signature UBI policy I absolutely prefer him over any other democrat running
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@RationalMadman
what exactly about my post do you disagree with?
We have to make this multicultural society work. It isn't the society I prefer but it's the one we have and we all have a vested interest in making it work as smoothly as it can. Trump was the last chance to change this process (even he was probably far too late) and he failed...Yang is the way forward. At least for the left
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@Analgesic.Spectre
Even if memory is fading, schools and universities are still teaching them, and they're still normalised. Jewish media reinforces it. Normies don't have any reason to question it, especially the ones who live away from the pests. Any serious questioning of them produces a visceral, angry reaction irl. Despite all the arguments I make against it, I still have this lingering feeling that I'm doing the wrong thing, due to being indoctrinated at school with anti-racist garbage. People go their whole lives without undoing the damage done to them in childhood, let alone acknowledging that their childhood is the root cause.
This won't be the most compelling argument...but I have a really, really strong intuition for this kind of thing and I can just "sense" the progressive narrative on race fading away.
That's not to say that certain progressive ideas aren't all but fixed in place for decades. All the context free stuff about white oppressors will continue to be taught in public schools and believed for a long time and that's a problem...but what is really fading is the INTENSITY of emotion, imo. There are a TON of emotions/motivations that go into the anti white hatred stuff, but a big part of it is that elite attitudes absolutely do trickle down into the mainstream. It's not a coincidence at all that black lives matter riots came to an immediate halt the moment that progressive elites realized they actually do more harm than good, and that they got Trump elected.
It would be interesting to see the Liberal "sharp left turn" data. Is it Whites largely involved? Is it an influx of Hispanics and Blacks? Blacks and Hispanics, as a group, have always been Liberal (or more accurately, biased towards their perceived race's party).
It's both, but it comes more from white liberals going totally insane in the past decade or so. Check this out: "Take the issue of discrimination as a factor holding back African-American advancement. White liberals are to the left of black Democrats, placing a much stronger emphasis than African-Americans on the role of discrimination and much less emphasis on the importance of individual effort."
Why attempt to minimise it when it's possible to enforce things like a racial majority policy, or something that isn't as literal? Why not cut your losses and remove them from America, so they're not an economic drain? I just think it's sticking your head in the sand -- trying to govern racially different states under one unified state. It costs the U.S. $10,000 per annum to keep the average Black around, and $7,000 to keep the average Hispanic around (http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/11/fiscal-impact-of-whites-blacks-and-hispanics/). That's not even to mention the territory wars that'll take place (land is always valuable). First it'll be the American Southwest; then they'll push their people in other parts. People are far more readily loyal to their race than nation, and all people are greedy for territory.
Because getting rid of ~40% of the country is impossible outside of ethnic cleansing/mass murder. If I could go to a world where the 1965 immigration act didn't happen I would do so, but attempting to undo it now would not return America to an idealized version of the 1950s. It would result in a much more callous and cruel country.
There is no way to keep the US free of racial conflict (and not just between whites and blacks, hispanics on the west coast have been ethnically cleansing black neighborhoods for decades now) but you can definitely minimize it. Elite consensus absolutely does trickle down to the people, and a dem nominee who unapologetically rejects the anti white narrative and talks about white people who are hurting with kindness would go a very long way in cooling things down. We CAN all live together in (relative) harmony, but first we have to break the taboo about talking about certain things.
Example: It can be conclusively proven that diversity undermines social cohesion and causes demographic churn as people move around to places where they feel comfortable. Thus, we should limit immigration so that demographics don't change faster than people can absorb. We should stop artificially forcing groups together because diversity gives liberal women a good feeling in their tummies. If two groups have a problem with each other, keep them apart. These are the things that sane multiethnic countries throughout history have done and they'd go a long way here
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@Wylted
stay away from the aut right like it's a cancer (because it is.) Obviously they are right about certain things but their narrative only looks compelling because on issues of demographics and racism the liberal consensus is transparently insane and in many cases objectively false. But all of the white victimhood stuff is pure cancer, socially, politically, and to you personally.
But anyway, UBI would revitalize a lot of rural (white) areas. I really hate living in the city but it's difficult to make a decent income somewhere else. If I knew that when I get married I could rely on a steady $2,000 a month I would be tempted to buy a house on a small amount of land in the middle of nowhere with the money I have saved and do some small scale agriculture. And my money would be spent at local shops and restaurants which in turn would generate even more wealth.
But what else does Yang do for whites? He seems to actually care, for one thing. But he's also hinted at a not too insane conclusion that he's drawn. The average IQ of a white person in America is about 100. The average IQ of an Asian person in America is significantly higher than that. If we really do get to the point where the average 100 IQ joe can't get a job, most Asian people are still going to have jobs, and they are also going to be very easy to scapegoat. He seems to be concerned that there's a small but non zero chance that these whites without hope could absolutely freak out and end up killing all the Asian people. It seems far fetched but stranger things have happened in economic upheavals and economically dominant minorities are really easy to scapegoat. Because he believes this, he as an asian man has a vested interest in looking out for his white countrymen
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@spacetime
hmm.Yang is the only 2020 candidate who has proposed a viable solution to the widespread economic insecurity in this country. I've wavered on this issue a lot in the past, but I think I've finally come to the conclusion that it isn't possible to achieve universal gainful employment. It never has been, and it never will be, regardless of what automation does or doesn't do to labor markets in the future. Ultimately, income redistribution is the only way to ensure a decent standard of living for everyone. I don't support universal basic income as the mechanism for doing that, though -- I prefer negative income taxation because the phase-out would keep the total fiscal cost under control while allowing unemployed people to receive much more than $12,000 p/year.
I go back and forth on what automation is gonna do basically daily. But I think a lot of people are gonna be pushed into the "gig economy." There are at least 1 million uber and lyft drivers in the USA and for about 2/3rds of them it is their primary income (
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uber-lyft-jobs-drivers-income-employees-independent-contractors-gig-economy-a8376271.html) These are jobs that five years ago simply did not exist--most of them aren't ex-taxi drivers, Uber hurt the taxi industry pretty badly, but studies have shown that the vast majority of "ride share" rides wouldn't have gone to taxi drivers. Without Uber, they just wouldn't have been taken.
Generally this is not a good job at all. You don't get any benefits and you are tearing up your car for very low pay. But it's all some people are able to do. Maybe not the best example because this too is something that will be automated away in a few decades but you get the point. You are seeing more and more of this kind of thing. Food delivery. Dog walking. Returning rentable scooters and bikes. A really bad but really possible vision for the future is a mass of unemployed people barely making ends meet doing tasks as servants for the cognitive elite who are still able to keep their jobs
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@triangle.128k
If there's a dem candidate, like Yang, who is a mixed bag instead of 100% awful, you should enthusiastically support him for the dem nomination. I wouldn't vote for him over Trump, but if he's still in by the time I can vote I'm definitely voting for him in the dem primary
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@ResurgetExFavilla
inshallah the beasts will get their revenge
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@Greyparrot
this is basically my position as well
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@Earth
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@Greyparrot
Blumpf is finished now, Yang's platform is patronage for the NEETs
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@Earth
idk what post youre replying to, but ok
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@Analgesic.Spectre
The problem you're falling into is that you're taking humans as rational creatures. You probably see people like Yang and Peterson, and then believe that there is hope for rational debate. These people are the exceptions. 4/5 Millennial Blacks put race as an important personally identifier. Hell, even bloody millennial Whites have race as the most important personal identifier, despite the torrid brainwashing you've seen. Nationality and Ideology are distant 2nd and 3rd places (expect for perhaps Whites). Race is a wickedly important facet in politics -- racial group-identity IS politics.
True, but look at how those statistics have changed in the past decade or so. Liberals took a SHARP left turn on racial issues, and we're in the middle of that purity spiral right now. I'm not sure how long the current racial narrative can last because a lot of it is just objectively not true (for example, liberal whites rating white people and christians as more violent than black people.) I think a lot of the current behavior on the left is defensive in nature as their narrative is coming apart pretty rapidly as the pre civil rights era fades further and further into the past. The civil rights movement, WWII, and the holocaust are the founding myths of progressive ideology and all of these things are fading from living memory quite rapidly. It's really really tough to say but I don't see this current era lasting. Millennials as a generation are a complete mess though, so who knows.
I pretty much agree with what you're saying, but the most important thing you can do to minimize the politics as a proxy for racial conflict is to reduce the stakes of politics. So when I say there's a sane way to govern a multi racial society, what I mean is that we need to just accept the fact that large parts of the American southwest are majority hispanic now, and that they don't necessarily need to be governed the same way as a 90% white state like Iowa. Decentralization is the key...the problem is that as this stuff is rapidly comes to a head people have less and less incentive to give up power whenever their group attains it. And as Yang points out, add some economic instability with the demographic changes and you have a recipe for some very rough times. I have no idea why we are importing tens of millions of people into the Western world to do jobs that may not exist in a few decades
kinda a rambly post but w/e
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So THIS is what Kanye meant about dragon energy
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@RationalMadman
No, it's no secret that I'm white and middle class
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@RationalMadman
Early online Trump supporters (the kind who make memes) were overwhelmingly downwardly mobile young white men who came from the middle or working class. While they are advocating very different policies and are very different people, Trump and Yang are both appealing to this same group.
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I started supporting Trump in July of 2015, less than a month after he declared he was running. For all his faults he offered a way out of globalist neoliberalism. But he's clearly failed to fundamentally change the system, through the total opposition of the entire political and media structure, the judiciary and entrenched bureaucrats, and of course through his own errors.
Yang offers another way out, one I don't necessarily support but anything is better than this slow bleeding. I will enthusiastically support him for the democratic nomination as long as he is running.
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@RationalMadman
oh yeah Trump and Yang are totally different in so many ways...but you would be surprised how many people who were early supporters of Trump (like me) are now churning out #YangGang memes
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@RationalMadman
could you elaborate? I'm not sure which part of my post you're referring to
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calling it: this thread is the Trump Triumph '16 thread of the 2020 cycle
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@Analgesic.Spectre
Besides, in regards to being White, it's not just that "there will always be some level of conflict and resource competition between groups". More accurately, this is the main game being played, and if you're off in the world of forms with "the free market" or "freedom of speech", you are losing this race war.
This is definitely true, the team that shows up is always going to win the game. I'm almost glad that the left has overplayed their hand to the extent they have with the anti-white stuff because it makes it clear what's happening. Whites are an interesting case because in some ways you can contribute our behavior to the overwhelming pressure of mass media brain washing for the past half century but I think it's more complex than that as well. When liberal whites talk about how much they hate white people they aren't talking about themselves. Too bad they're too stupid to realize that their vote for Bernie isn't going to save them if they're ever in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I don't really disagree with a lot of what you say, racial/ethnic groups have interests and they're going to pursue those even if its to the detriment of the society at large...it's why a multi ethnic society without a clear majority is something that should be avoided if possible. In the case of the United States it isn't something that can be avoided. So I'm more interested in finding out how we can manage this. For example, while there will always be conflict, you don't have to exacerbate it by telling black people that all of their problems are whiteys fault. And while there will always be racial prejudice, there will also be people (like Yang) who are capable of looking past it and viewing other groups with compassion. There's a sane way to govern a multi racial society and we aren't doing it.
I don't think I can put into words how refreshing it is to hear someone talk about the fact that 500,000 white people needlessly died "deaths of despair" in the past decade, or talking about who the opioid epidemic is really hurting, especially as a white person with family whose lives have been destroyed by prescription pain killers. Even Trump, the avatar of working class white America, is too much of a pussy to say it...Yang is sticking his neck out for people who are suffering even though he doesn't have to.
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@Analgesic.Spectre
This is actually a very good point. To focus on one strand of your point: In the near future, we're going to have technological advances make manual labour obsolete.For example, for the people with I.Q. lower than 81, which prevents them from joining the military (wherein the military wants as many people as it can possibly get -- sub 81 I.Q. are too stupid for some of the most desperate employers), what are they going to do? They're too stupid to do even the easiest of jobs requiring a very basic mental capacity, and so if manual labouring jobs were to go, where do they go?
Yeah you can actually already see this process. For most of human history there would’ve been basically unlimited demand for extremely low skilled labor such as “take this sack of flour and carry it from point A to point B.” A lot of the jobs we think of as “low skill” like driving a truck, working a cash register, or chopping sheet metal that could be easily automated aren’t actually all that low skilled (I don’t think someone with an IQ of 75 could do most of them.) Truly low skilled jobs, where anyone with a set of hands and an ability to follow the same number of instructions as a dog can, are mostly gone. I think automation will bring with it a lot of spin off jobs but not very many low or medium skilled ones and I don’t know what’s going to happen if we get to the point where your 100 IQ average joe can’t do anything
This is not going to be effective. People, in general, care far more about their racial collective, than they do their country. People aren't going to vote for him purely because he's Asian. The U.S. is never going to be united because people's inherent racial bias towards their own kinds takes precedence.
Yes and no...I don’t think it’s possible for a multi ethnic society to ever get as unified and as high trust as 1950s white America was, but the US isn’t really that much more diverse than it was 10 years ago but race relations have gotten way worse because of this insane culture war. Yang even pointed out in his interview with Joe Rogan that to much of the Democratic Party if someone is a white man it’s like their suffering doesn’t matter. I don’t think things have to be that way although there will always be some level of conflict and resource competition between groups
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@bsh1
legend
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@bsh1
because it's a thread about my best friend, and i'm a DART member
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@RationalMadman
yeah, people putting all this “smart” equipment in their house is ridiculous. Not only are things like Alexa effectively spy devices but all of that stuff screams HACKABLE to me. like is it so hard to just use your garage door remote? Does it really have to be hooked up to some random, hackable app on your phone?
A machine taking a job away from a factory worker is a blessing to humankind, get a grip.
If that factory worker is now freed up to do something more productive or fulfilling that’s definitely true. But in the status quo long term unemployment is one of the worst things that can happen to someone and can be totally ruinous. Basically any job is better than long term unemployment. I have a lot of ideas for how to deal with this that I think would be better than UBI but Yang is getting the ball rolling on this question which is very important
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@Swagnarok
I don’t actually think automation will destroy all the jobs—look at the modern economy, I would say that at least a third of jobs just didn’t exist even a few decades ago. Things constantly change. HOWEVER automation/AI is probably is going to change the economy more quickly and more profoundly than your standard background technological change so it’s something that needs to be addressed. Yang is the only one trying to address this
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@RationalMadman
why you bully me?
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@Vader
You’re right that tariffs are “bad” for the economy in the sense that they impose costs on the consumer and the corporation but you’re looking at it wrong. The point of tariffs is to impose a small cost on a large group of people that provide huge benefits for a smaller group—it’s a trade off. For example, would you pay an additional $2 for your blender if you knew that it meant that 10,000 of your fellow Americans, who would otherwise be unemployed, would have jobs making said blender? I suspect the answer is yes, even though from an economic perspective the total “cost” of everyone paying an extra $2 probably outweighs the 10,000 jobs. Are the actual trade offs this simple? Obviously not, but this is the general principle we’re working with which is why I hate the economics 101 response of “Well tariffs are a tax on the CONSUMER so check mate protectionists!” Because okay, yeah, there is a cost to the consumer. But it’s entirely possible that it’s worth it.
Not accusing you of doing that but that’s generally the level of arguments you get on this. When it comes to China in particular we buy massive amounts of products from them, and all they really buy from us are agricultural products which: 1) there is a large demand for elsewhere, 2) are (politically) very easy for the US to subsidize and 3) price of food going up in China = huge political pressure to make a deal. We have all the leverage, and when they do come to a deal China is going to make some serious concessions.
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@Greyparrot
You sir are a legend, keep on grifting
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To be fair to drumpf, he actually hasn’t done as bad as I’m making it seem. Let’s grade him on the “big three” populist issues:
Trade: A.
He’s doing fantastic things in this respect, and making a noticeable difference. Jobs actually are coming back and China is losing the trade war badly (after all, they are good and easy to win)
Foreign War: B-
His biggest failure here is the refusal to withdraw from Afghanistan. Kids who were in diapers when 9/11 happened are coming home in body bags, and all I’ve ever heard about long term strategy is whatever dumb fucking one liner Mattis would come up with when asked. However I’m proud of him for refusing to topple Assad and for earnestly seeking peace with North Korea.
Immigration: C
It would be lower, but he is extremely hamstrung by universal opposition to his immigration policies by the democrats, the rest of the republicans, and federal judges who have far out stepped their boundaries (for example, declaring by judicial fiat that DACA negotiations are over.)
However he still dropped the ball hard in many ways. A quiet meeting with Paul Ryan and Cocaine Mitch in 2017 where he said he would veto any tax cuts that came before the wall would’ve gotten him the wall. And his recent rhetoric about how we need more legal immigration is cringe their
Why am I more excited about Yang than Drumpf? Drumpf already accomplished his main job when he won. He turned the Republican Party into something I like. Now it’s time for American Andy to do the same for the Democratic Party
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Drumpf is still in the god tier, if only for how much he makes my enemies angry, but he is in serious danger of slipping into the "you aight" tier if he doesn't get anything else done. i will treasure the laughs from his campaign forever, but i didn't vote for him just for a tax cut
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@bsh1
please move this thread to the debateart forum
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@TheHammer
sorry i meant to say "which has been a disaster for the human race"
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Andrew Yang is the only democratic candidate to ascend to the god tier level.
Tulsi and Bernie are in the "you aight" tier.
The rest are cringe tier.
What makes American Andy so great?
1) He's promised us all NEETbux
UBI is the wrong answer to the right question--how do we as a society reckon with coming technological changes that threaten to radically change the job market? This has happened before--see the Industrial Revolution which, while ultimately a very good thing, caused a lot of unnecessary misery among the rural English peasant class that could've been avoided had it been implemented better. He is getting the ball rolling on this extremely important question
2) He cares about all Americans
American Andy speaks about white people dying of drug overdoses more kindly than any Republican politician (even though 90% of their voters are white) ever has. Moreover this is not a dog whistle. He is not some sort of white nationalist (obviously) he just genuinely cares about the American people, ~60% of whom are white. He has a chance of actually uniting the country in some way
3) He's promised us all gf's
...probably
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