"I am not sure if its good to allow me the freedom to troll people and debate offensive things and mock all values.
Sure, I like that freedom, but I am not sure if I would be able to defend that such freedom is good for society.
The only good thing which can possibly come from my freedom of speech is somehow convincing people to legalize child marriages again so that birth rates go back up again.
But I am just one individual. Most people use their freedom of speech for harming society's survival.
Thats why you see countries like Afghanistan rising in population where Japan is about to go extinct because people are so free that they dont wanna sacrifice their freedom and have children.
In western societies, it becomes very beneficial to not reproduce or have just one child, because the amount of money and free time you save is huge.
Its a contradiction in society where survival of society is negated by freedom of individuals.
The only thing society with freedom has is lots of people moving to it, sometimes, to negate decline in birth rates.
Thats possibly the only argument I can come up with, but it doesnt apply to all countries with freedom, just some.
Population of Japan is both decreasing and aging, and its birth rates are almost non-existent, as out of 4 women, one has 2 children and the other 3 are childless."
Good analogy
and rational
People do debates in Islamic countries. Debating and insulting are two different things. I do a lot of debates within Islamic traditions and it's natural if you see opposition from other parties. It's a normal course of action and it's common everywhere in the world. you cannot see people removing the face veil in France. There are consequences to some aspects of the world. It depends on what the society considers sacred or valuable and needs harsh measures to protect. If someone says that some part of the world is bad or different then it's all fake perception. We live in peace and people in our countries are not that powerful, instead, they are made weak and they are weak. They are put in desperate situations to think about survival, they cannot afford to cause chaos or threaten people. While I admit that they could and do cross the limit and put anything else behind on some matters and ready to do anything for that. But other than that someone should not exaggerate these things that much. I am using this website in an Islamic country. it's not been banned or anything else. Its a long topic and I can say a lot about it. but think it should be enough to get the idea of what I am talking about.
Allah said in Quran that he will let Muhammad (SAW) memorize the Quran and let him(SAW) understand as well. Also another place Allah said follow Allah and follow Rasool. which gives us clear indication that we must follow rasool for the detail of any verse. just like Quran gave us instuction do sajood means prostration and also raku but it does not tell us how to do that which we get from Prophet (SAW). So detail is always given in hadith. After Allah the authority lies within the prophet to guide. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) himself said he do not say anything from himself but from Allah.
its very long topic which cannot be explained in just few messages. But i guess the idea what i am talking about.
Probably they all leaver. I am one who stick to the debate till the end. If you want to do the debate against Islam let me know, I would certainly do it.
When you gonna fix the space deleting bug from this website? Its huge headache.
I am going to post my argument without editing in DA and post it with mistake because this is so much frustrating.
So this is how you debate? Lol I am laughing. Becoming sentimental does not prove you are right. Also whatever you utter does bot make automatically correct. And lie is a big thing to do. You have been online during whole time and about my comment you have read it before you agreeing for mutual tie. I can feel you. Being desperate, you tried your hard to prove your case but all in vain. I still have one round. When I said about voter situation, you read it and then agreed for mutual tie. I do not know that time you were sleepy. And next time when you read again and found it ockward. But I cannot understand what is wrong with you. This was not some rap battle or anime debate
You have not rebutted even my 1 argument. And there are fallicius arguments from you with personal constrained framework within your brains capabilities. And setting your own rules and idea and confining me within it to frame me. But all in vain. And now in last round you tried to play dirty but all in vain coz I still have 1 last round. Cheers. Your personal opinion does not matter at all. I will rebut your last round normally it's against debates but you did it first. After first round you kept ignoring my arguments and doing something one sided. Really disappointing. You are not only bad voter but debater as well. Wasted my valuable time. Very bad kido
as all voter gone only 1 left so the result could be not in your favor. about voting we can decide later. like let be without voting. but for academic and informative purpose we should complete the debate in casual way and leave the debate without voting. what you say about it?
indeed david seems to be gone as well. troll debater and voter ruining the good vibe of this website. so it would be only you who would be voting for this debate. lets see what bella would say.
I really lost the interest to debate anymore on this website. after watching the condition of voting, its really upsetting. that is why i did not want to debate with you at first place.
is there any possibility to conclude this debate from both side?
I mean both agree to tie it out.
the debate from which your vote got deleted and you vote bomb again.
I am feed up from this stupidity.
what are you doing?
You even know the basics of debate and voting?
people fcking go do some fcking random forums posts to get voting privileges and then jerk around to mess debates which people has put a lot of efforts into.
this is disgusting.
again vote bomb, take the voting privileges from that guy. repeated vote bomb. It shows, all my efforts was to fill the pages and no one want to fcking read it even.
what am i doing here then?
shall i call for self ban as well?
this is totally demotivating for me to do any further debates.
you are kidding me? i have proven she was not child, people of that time saw her adult. and precious puberty is reason for that.
con never proven any trauma for my case and also there was no enslavement as well because it was marriage. and she was engaged before.
general cases cant be used for this case. this is based on specific case.
how many times you are going to vote bomb?
I feel bad not be the part of all the activities on the site. My work and getting tired after that has caused it, otherwise i would have done good debates with all those who left because of getting bored here. (
ok all good.
i will check after 3 days, i could not find time and my hardware broke many times while preparing argument and also some other stuff i was busy with, otherwise it would have been very good argument, better next time.
I accidentally posted wrong link in my argument. If someone can edit it, it would be very nice thanks.
i will be off for 3 days to do physical preaching journey so i will check later what will be solution for it.
thanks
https://www.debateart.com/debates/4533-islam-vs-anything2
this is link i indented to use in my argument but i posted 1.
When people behave like that, i can do nothing but facepalm. keep in mind, you were desperate to do this debate. instead of correcting your mistake by voting in previous debate, you started another debate and just doing same shi8t what i have already dealt.
you need to focus before doing anything, otherwise its all bull shi8t wasting time of others. When you had to do this, why wanted to debate with me? I was wondering, what a new debate has to do for poor vote? what you were trying to do there?
your RFD was blunder and here i saw your argument is same copy paste from previous debate. I assume you were going to elaborate and explain what a adult is, also support your claim to give warrant.
any ways I got opportunity to explain more and go in more depth of this topic. I assume that, you gonna give more in up coming rounds.
what is new in this round? have i not done already whatever you have posted? I have to repeat full story again? Tbh i have to post my previous debate in resource and do not type anything that would be enough.
It shows you did not read my previous debate at all or with concentration.
I never leave any question for a honest person. Because I analyze everything critically and consider everything which a person can ask. In other words I take every thing head on without fear and as i believe Islam is truth so I always get answers.
any ways i will respond. after taking all 13 days still got this. I am very disappointed.
Any other words should be used in their primary context.
I think it's not a good idea to do.
primary or secondary does not matter as far as there is context, then it's relevant.
I would suggest check my islam vs anthing2 debate and get all the information you need. Just use basic knowledge which is needed to form any argument to do this debate.
It's weird, if you did not have enough information, then why accepted it? That is how you give people wins, and they consider themselves high and might debaters.
Already mentioned it in my previous debate. It's in resources. Where I showed what was custom and rules in England and Europe. I did not have much space in round, I deleted specific paragraphs about Jews Christians and other religions like Hindu and Muslim and some other cultural societies. Everything is there in debate. Also, I have said it before on this topic or any other topic I can write 100s of pages, and it won't stop even then. When you have habit of removing skin from hair then, you can do it. Removing skin from hair is the translation of a proverb in my language.
The thing is i could take this debate and could win even more easy then the previous one. But i have my own preferences, this debate was instigated without my consent. so i am not obliged to accept it. I have my own plans and schedules. I wanted to do offensive debates where i am questioning someone else believe or countering it with mine. this topic is defensive and whatever i have done i consider it enough for people to know about the case so far. Later maybe i will put more light into it if i feel there is need and can instigate debate myself on my terms. Though from previous debate i have found out that a voter can ignore any rule which i have set. like in last debate, barney just put BOP on me and rejected my own set rule.
While in previous debate the rule set by me for forfeit costed me my debate. A hypocritical approach. i feel very un safe with this biased and hypocritical attitude.
"I am not sure if its good to allow me the freedom to troll people and debate offensive things and mock all values.
Sure, I like that freedom, but I am not sure if I would be able to defend that such freedom is good for society.
The only good thing which can possibly come from my freedom of speech is somehow convincing people to legalize child marriages again so that birth rates go back up again.
But I am just one individual. Most people use their freedom of speech for harming society's survival.
Thats why you see countries like Afghanistan rising in population where Japan is about to go extinct because people are so free that they dont wanna sacrifice their freedom and have children.
In western societies, it becomes very beneficial to not reproduce or have just one child, because the amount of money and free time you save is huge.
Its a contradiction in society where survival of society is negated by freedom of individuals.
The only thing society with freedom has is lots of people moving to it, sometimes, to negate decline in birth rates.
Thats possibly the only argument I can come up with, but it doesnt apply to all countries with freedom, just some.
Population of Japan is both decreasing and aging, and its birth rates are almost non-existent, as out of 4 women, one has 2 children and the other 3 are childless."
Good analogy
and rational
People do debates in Islamic countries. Debating and insulting are two different things. I do a lot of debates within Islamic traditions and it's natural if you see opposition from other parties. It's a normal course of action and it's common everywhere in the world. you cannot see people removing the face veil in France. There are consequences to some aspects of the world. It depends on what the society considers sacred or valuable and needs harsh measures to protect. If someone says that some part of the world is bad or different then it's all fake perception. We live in peace and people in our countries are not that powerful, instead, they are made weak and they are weak. They are put in desperate situations to think about survival, they cannot afford to cause chaos or threaten people. While I admit that they could and do cross the limit and put anything else behind on some matters and ready to do anything for that. But other than that someone should not exaggerate these things that much. I am using this website in an Islamic country. it's not been banned or anything else. Its a long topic and I can say a lot about it. but think it should be enough to get the idea of what I am talking about.
Indeed bro
If anyone has to instigate any debate against Islam he or she shall do against me.
if anyone on site has to instigate any debate against Islam, he or she shall instigate against me.
Allah said in Quran that he will let Muhammad (SAW) memorize the Quran and let him(SAW) understand as well. Also another place Allah said follow Allah and follow Rasool. which gives us clear indication that we must follow rasool for the detail of any verse. just like Quran gave us instuction do sajood means prostration and also raku but it does not tell us how to do that which we get from Prophet (SAW). So detail is always given in hadith. After Allah the authority lies within the prophet to guide. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) himself said he do not say anything from himself but from Allah.
its very long topic which cannot be explained in just few messages. But i guess the idea what i am talking about.
let your debate end, then ping me I will share specifics.
Probably they all leaver. I am one who stick to the debate till the end. If you want to do the debate against Islam let me know, I would certainly do it.
I could do it again, if pro interested. In fact I could debate for any topic he has chosen against Islam.
my bad i missed it.
want to do debate on this topic.
Ok dude.
When you gonna fix the space deleting bug from this website? Its huge headache.
I am going to post my argument without editing in DA and post it with mistake because this is so much frustrating.
So this is how you debate? Lol I am laughing. Becoming sentimental does not prove you are right. Also whatever you utter does bot make automatically correct. And lie is a big thing to do. You have been online during whole time and about my comment you have read it before you agreeing for mutual tie. I can feel you. Being desperate, you tried your hard to prove your case but all in vain. I still have one round. When I said about voter situation, you read it and then agreed for mutual tie. I do not know that time you were sleepy. And next time when you read again and found it ockward. But I cannot understand what is wrong with you. This was not some rap battle or anime debate
You have not rebutted even my 1 argument. And there are fallicius arguments from you with personal constrained framework within your brains capabilities. And setting your own rules and idea and confining me within it to frame me. But all in vain. And now in last round you tried to play dirty but all in vain coz I still have 1 last round. Cheers. Your personal opinion does not matter at all. I will rebut your last round normally it's against debates but you did it first. After first round you kept ignoring my arguments and doing something one sided. Really disappointing. You are not only bad voter but debater as well. Wasted my valuable time. Very bad kido
as all voter gone only 1 left so the result could be not in your favor. about voting we can decide later. like let be without voting. but for academic and informative purpose we should complete the debate in casual way and leave the debate without voting. what you say about it?
was taken, otherwise i would have taken it.
Thomas, keep activating my debates. The more active they are the more people will read them. Which is good, because more people will know the truth.
Well, let's complete this debate. I will see for others later
indeed david seems to be gone as well. troll debater and voter ruining the good vibe of this website. so it would be only you who would be voting for this debate. lets see what bella would say.
I really lost the interest to debate anymore on this website. after watching the condition of voting, its really upsetting. that is why i did not want to debate with you at first place.
is there any possibility to conclude this debate from both side?
I mean both agree to tie it out.
the debate from which your vote got deleted and you vote bomb again.
I am feed up from this stupidity.
what are you doing?
You even know the basics of debate and voting?
people fcking go do some fcking random forums posts to get voting privileges and then jerk around to mess debates which people has put a lot of efforts into.
this is disgusting.
again vote bomb, take the voting privileges from that guy. repeated vote bomb. It shows, all my efforts was to fill the pages and no one want to fcking read it even.
what am i doing here then?
shall i call for self ban as well?
this is totally demotivating for me to do any further debates.
you are kidding me? i have proven she was not child, people of that time saw her adult. and precious puberty is reason for that.
con never proven any trauma for my case and also there was no enslavement as well because it was marriage. and she was engaged before.
general cases cant be used for this case. this is based on specific case.
how many times you are going to vote bomb?
That is why you vote bomb my debate?
I feel bad not be the part of all the activities on the site. My work and getting tired after that has caused it, otherwise i would have done good debates with all those who left because of getting bored here. (
so you are against 6 days creationism?
if it would have not taken, I would have taken it.
bad he is banned(self), otherwise i would have debated him on this topic.
Can you respond toward vote bomb by prefix ?
another vote bomb, please address thanks
can u post my debate's link in next round which i intended to post.
ok all good.
i will check after 3 days, i could not find time and my hardware broke many times while preparing argument and also some other stuff i was busy with, otherwise it would have been very good argument, better next time.
I accidentally posted wrong link in my argument. If someone can edit it, it would be very nice thanks.
i will be off for 3 days to do physical preaching journey so i will check later what will be solution for it.
thanks
https://www.debateart.com/debates/4533-islam-vs-anything2
this is link i indented to use in my argument but i posted 1.
https://www.debateart.com/debates/4533-islam-vs-anything2
you need to access the link from here as well for the debate
i accidentally posted wrong link its not 1 but 2
https://www.debateart.com/debates/4533-islam-vs-anything2
What do you mean by this?
i will try to wrap up it soon.
When people behave like that, i can do nothing but facepalm. keep in mind, you were desperate to do this debate. instead of correcting your mistake by voting in previous debate, you started another debate and just doing same shi8t what i have already dealt.
you need to focus before doing anything, otherwise its all bull shi8t wasting time of others. When you had to do this, why wanted to debate with me? I was wondering, what a new debate has to do for poor vote? what you were trying to do there?
your RFD was blunder and here i saw your argument is same copy paste from previous debate. I assume you were going to elaborate and explain what a adult is, also support your claim to give warrant.
any ways I got opportunity to explain more and go in more depth of this topic. I assume that, you gonna give more in up coming rounds.
what is new in this round? have i not done already whatever you have posted? I have to repeat full story again? Tbh i have to post my previous debate in resource and do not type anything that would be enough.
It shows you did not read my previous debate at all or with concentration.
I never leave any question for a honest person. Because I analyze everything critically and consider everything which a person can ask. In other words I take every thing head on without fear and as i believe Islam is truth so I always get answers.
any ways i will respond. after taking all 13 days still got this. I am very disappointed.
by reading debate.
pro would have won if had not done forfeit.
For me its not very hard to convince they follow polytheism or hybrid god.
Throw your full fledge opening argument. When the judges decide.
Any other words should be used in their primary context.
I think it's not a good idea to do.
primary or secondary does not matter as far as there is context, then it's relevant.
We already got warning about that, and we stopped.
Me outa here
I would suggest check my islam vs anthing2 debate and get all the information you need. Just use basic knowledge which is needed to form any argument to do this debate.
It's weird, if you did not have enough information, then why accepted it? That is how you give people wins, and they consider themselves high and might debaters.
Already mentioned it in my previous debate. It's in resources. Where I showed what was custom and rules in England and Europe. I did not have much space in round, I deleted specific paragraphs about Jews Christians and other religions like Hindu and Muslim and some other cultural societies. Everything is there in debate. Also, I have said it before on this topic or any other topic I can write 100s of pages, and it won't stop even then. When you have habit of removing skin from hair then, you can do it. Removing skin from hair is the translation of a proverb in my language.
The thing is i could take this debate and could win even more easy then the previous one. But i have my own preferences, this debate was instigated without my consent. so i am not obliged to accept it. I have my own plans and schedules. I wanted to do offensive debates where i am questioning someone else believe or countering it with mine. this topic is defensive and whatever i have done i consider it enough for people to know about the case so far. Later maybe i will put more light into it if i feel there is need and can instigate debate myself on my terms. Though from previous debate i have found out that a voter can ignore any rule which i have set. like in last debate, barney just put BOP on me and rejected my own set rule.
While in previous debate the rule set by me for forfeit costed me my debate. A hypocritical approach. i feel very un safe with this biased and hypocritical attitude.
you can do it if you want.
on the other hand you are Taoism, I want to debate with atheist or agnostic.