tigerlord

Which earthquakes? No more earth quakes, but near the day of judgment, like now a days their will be more disasters throughout the world not only in Pakistan. But in Pakistan it's mostly plain areas where there are very less earthquakes, it's northern area like mine called Kashmir where only earthquake in 2005, not anymore  alhumd ll Allah. You can see fire in los Angeles, so disasters can comes anywhere it does not matter. People think death is bad but it's meeting with Allah, only important thing is that, when you die, Allah should be happy with you and you are being good person. Otherwise people die everyday everywhere in the world becuse or different reason and it's just cycle of life.

There is thin line between both, Islamically if a person stays calm and show patience and a  pious and good person would be doing that. 

Then it's ibtila means test for him or her and he had passed. But if he become more arrogant and complain about it then it's punishment for him. Extreme detail and condition of heart only Allah knows. So outcome and purpose is always fulfilled, and based on individuals.

So whether it's punishment or ibtila(test) depends on our response.

This question has already been answered.

But I can respond to it with a video.

80% word of Arabic in urdu, we can read and speak and can understand good amount of classical Arabic which is of Quranic Arabic. Reading and speaking upto some level everyone knows like those verses and Arabic which is necessary for 5 times of prayers.

Yes, correct info.

The table is filled with blunders.

Historical inaccuracies and falsehood.

Among them everything is superior of prophet Muhammad saw.

Which I will show you with video today. In fact I will make video about your every topic.

We as well, quran was compiled by prophet Muhammad saw himself, Usman Ra just formed it into a 1 book. it was written at the time of propeht Muhammad saw but on different pieces, like leaves, leather and wood.

What you are trying to say here?

I have already told you the reason.

But still let me tell you something.

Moses and bani Israel was persecuted and they liked a life of slaves and their boys were killed and girls were left.

Jesus himself was crucified according to you but not Muslim yet they tried it.

All prophets faced hardship and tell me how many of them were literate? 

Muslim has given birth to modern science, for that you can check golden age of Muslim and scientist of that time. 

But getting into only Knowledge did not empowered them only Allah can. 

Also

Me being unemployed shows how bad system is here while my vision is so high in innovation and research. All those who are good just go abroad to earn and give benefit to other countries because salary is high. That is kept in this way so good people can't achieve in their own country.

Told ya it's very deep

You cannot know

Yes, shah Faisal, zulfiqar bhuto and kadafi 3 people made OIC and 3 being killed in tragic way.

But let me tell you everything is going through the plan. 

Allah's plan, everything happens according to his plan and on right time, we cannot go out of it even a fraction of sec. 

Everything has been foretold by our prophet and it's going exactly on that track, our time will come as well. But what should be our mission right now? It's that we must take away people from hellfire as much as we can and do it let them fall in the trap of devil. Those who follow him will be people of hell which is loose for humans win for devil. It's challenge of devil to take people astray and increase their numbers as much as he can. And our mission should be to take into heaven as much as we can. Worldy things are temp, does not matter much.

Most of Muslim countries are near equator and most are oil rich and mineral rich and agricultural counties with diverse cultural and ethinical background. with abundance of natural resources and great talent. I am right now un employed even though I am educate and smart. Until now whatever works I have done I have done perfectly. Do you know why we can't excel? You know new world order and hidden agencies and organisations. They are at play to undermine us. We got senction and bans and we are not allowed international markets, our politician are corrupt and backed by  west and they do not let come the good one. Corruption is backed by west here. We are not blind even though you are. We know what is happening here. Our prime minister was put into jail after he said he won't help USA if they want us to attack Afghanistan. People are killed being in qatar and Iran. Whole family of Ismael hania was killed 11 members, who would dare to become leader when this era is very dangerous. People who become leader are scared of death like see Shah Faisal was killed and bhuto was hanged because they made islamic union.  You are being child to not know this thing. But we I am not a child. But shall I become upset and crazy because of this? This world is like they hardship and struggle is part of it. Corruption and dishonesty is part of it. You will get ultimate justice on the day of judgement. It's not like Christianity that even Christian with each other has done bad they will get salvation and there is no ultimate justice. Probably west do that with us becuse they do it because of salvation. Who do not know what happend with American native and Australian natives. And what happend when British captured golden sparrow India. What is the name of that tower which has whole wealth looted from India. Our resources are being used by west. Oil is expensive for us becuse or currency difference which is hovac while it's cheap for west. Dollar goes up even their is no reserves attached to it. They are bogus bills. But gold smith family controls everything related to finance. 

Yeah he was, so what? Bible also oral and later got written, I mean new testament.

What point you wanted to make here?  For Muslim to be literates and prophet as well. It has nothing to do with faith or religion. Allah has created human with that much of vision and wisdom to be able to choose correct religion by default. I don't think other then quite recently people had started to achieve literacy upto that extent. By the in West literacy making them leave Christianity and become atheist or Muslim. In West fastest getting religion is Islam. And atheism took almost half population. Campaigns like feminism and liberalism which I way too away from Christianity are emerging. Check my video how a atheism got into us.

Yes that is true, if a Christian have a strong faith in bible or Christianity that is positive signs and I admire it. I always say what kind of faith is a faith which change so easily. 

Only a strong argument should be able to shake you, more appropriate to say if God himself want to change then  you should change. That is why I always believe,  only Allah can guide whomever he wants and we are just means to deliver his message. 

I do not understand it? What you mean by this plz explain?

Ok, I will check.

Sorry could not do anything today about it. As doing something related to my debate and it's voting. Tomorrow I will see, well Mall, I will tell you resolution tomorrow.

Yes, video Vs video would be great.

Let's discuss the resolution and rules and how we are going to get votes on it. Probably shila would be organizer, if agree on it?

Who will give pension arguement and what should be resolution?

We will present structure here and presented main arguments in videos and then post here on turns and viewers could give review on how it's going and do they appreciate it. Then when we want to finish the debate, we both will agree about our input is enough to get judge now and leave the debate. After the debate is ended then we cannot add to arguments but we can discuss about the votes based on what already presented so far in videos. Unless we want to continue again.

In next post I am going to give resolution.

Our debate is about salvation.

And if you want some rules plz mention, as this is going to be first time so focussing how this is going to be done is better.

I tagged the wrong person above. 

Logical problem of salvation, it seems fake and it's innovation in Christianity but not reality. Then thing is concept of salvation could not be true because jesus did not talk with anyone after he was supposed curxifiction. Also flesh is not god even they say nature or god, still nature of god being human also defy the godship and how can nature or a god be human. That should not make him god in fact it clearly shows hybridism. Whether they say it's flesh or nature but we can see a physically entity not some hypothetical or metaphysical so that you can say it's just nature but it's a full fledge physical entity and how can you say it's just nature or god to show it's metaphysical and physical laws won't apply on him. So i would say flesh being not god or nature or god but human shows that god did not die and god did not die even jesus was being crucified but in actuality he was not by islamic prospective.

What you say about it?

No one else interested in it?

You want me to make a video about it?

And you will respond in video too?

Well, one topic I already introduced in previous posts, what you say about it?

Old video for little intro, though make another.

Old video for little intro, though make another.

Now mention the topic we can make a video about it. 

What about problem of evil, which was prime cause to introduce trinity and crucifixion.

I did not mean that, I meant even for videos can get them in written form so that we can prepare our argument, if something think that it's hard for someone to do video debate. I did not mean to do both at same time

I did not mean that, I meant even for videos can get them in written form so that we can prepare our argument, if something think that it's hard for someone to do video debate. I did not mean to do both at same time. 

My stance is islam, what is yours? Then we can decide a resolution, on the other hand if you can suggest?

Mall I subbed u too

My channel, I can respond in video format.

We can debate that way, just  transcribe the video, prepare the  rebuttal and post like rounds on DADC

I already wanted  to do that

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ok, as rule number 1 has been taken off so i have agreed on debating on this topic. lets start, though i will post my first argument when my opponent will post his first one.

thanks for asking this debate :)

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thomson gazelle

is it beneficial to debate with you in forum? did i not challenge you for debate and you run away like chicken?

let me instigate, if you do not want to instigate the debate. and choose any topic i will debate with you. about running away that wont happen ever.

Ignorant as f

immature

ROFL

this should be enough for you that, I did not read even 5% of your posts because it sucks.

I wonder why you have not started even 1 debate.

People like you cannot debate at all.

Forum for immature like you, when you have no argument then you try to insult.

For those accusations, I will respond when I have time.

We have our social and family life, and it is not destroyed like yours.

I work and have family, I only have weekends to respond to debates, last weekend was spending with some other important task and I have this weekend to respond to debate.

For those topics I will separate debates, you should not be worried. You are an idiot person who just relying on insult. It's basically called being ignorant.

Among intellectual people, there are solid arguments, not insult. Those who are empty, they do like that.

If I have to deal with filth like you, why would I come to debating forum?

You got no guts to debate then keep shut, otherwise instigate a debate about any topic u want to debate and inform me in DM, so I can have a good debate with you.

I do not like forums for debating, I like debates for debating.

If you dare instigate the debate about any topic, and we will discuss the options of the debate in comment, then when we agree we will debate.

If you want this then tell me, otherwise you are not worth replying even.

and that Korean idiot has to solve north koeran problems first.

they are crying because islam is spreading very fast in korea.

they are fools and ignorant people. who believe in hybrid god. who was born from a woman's womb and half human half god. who was killed, they do not know what part was killed. if human part killed then god was never killed and crucifixion was a lie and false. if both parts killed then then he was not god because the divine essence of god cant be killed because god is immortal. but if divine essence was not killed then flesh and blood to be killed is not god at all. then it means half god was killed.

so many non sense. no matter which way they turn they utter non sense.

and those son of monkeys have nothing at all.

i will respond to all those accusation when i am done with my debate.

What's being discussed here, I am not going to read that mumbo jumbo above.

path to paradise plz mentioned the accusation they have made in list form.

thanks brother for that