zedvictor4

Reinterpreting scripture is some peoples stop-gap.

Others bake cakes or do yoga.

Or bake cakes and do yoga.

I do various stuff and eat cakes.

And from time to time.

I interrupt interpretation proceedings.

As you do.

And then off to make a cup of tea.

What's your tipple?

Did Jews gas themselves?

Or were they pushed?

To fill people's insubstantial lives.

Not so much hunter gathering to be done these days.

Gotta be somewhere doing something.

A kid can only spend so much time masturbating.

King Put's got the right idea.

Give them an old gun and a cammo outfit and send them out west.

That will concentrate their minds.

The future is bright the future is swarthy and bearded.

And I won't care because I will be dead.

Though swarthy has its own self-destruct mechanisms.

And wailing atop a tower is what it is.

Until such times when the Earth is engulfed by the Sun.

Though one must consider Chinese/Asian types.

Who knows what intergalactic colonists will look like.

Will they still be wailing to the non-existent bloke in the sky.

Random thoughts.

10000 years or not.

You don't seem very sure.

Was the World Trade centre a personal experience or your personal experience of a disaster movie.

I don't doubt the veracity of actual footage from Auschwitz Birkenau, but my stored images do not allow me the same intensity of emotion as a survivor's memory does.

The difference between first-hand and second-hand is quite considerable.

Diluted by time, Auschwitz Birkenau will become a temporarily emotive experience. And then move on to the next history lesson or maths and then home to dinner and Call of Duty.

And sorry, for some reason I thought you were Aussie.

You are a non-standard American Darter....Very thoughtful.

I didn't say that they did.

Nonetheless they are related.

As I said.

Such is human expectation.

Yep, there was Adam and Eve and then Cain and Abel and Awan and a trillion others because Adam and Eve were at it well into their middle age which was somewhere around 3 to 5 hundred years.  All very logical

And of course, Cain could only fuck his sister because there was no other choice. And they buggered of to Nod and founded a city. Yep, fast workers all very logical.

And that's only the start of it.

As I stated, you are left with nothing but jibing.

Are you ethang5?

We can argue semantics and definition relating to memory, but nonetheless there is a definite distinction to be made between a first-hand experience and a second-hand account.

Personal experience and a history lesson.

So, relative to our discourse, I would regard a memory as data acquired through personal experience rather than just data acquired from a second-hand narrative source.

As such, you will have no actual memories of WW2, and 77years on there will be few people with actual first-hand memories. Give it another 25 years or so and all memories of WW2 will be extinct.

Give it another 50 years and WW2 will only be a history lesson, and in another 100 years it will be largely forgotten. Just as WW1 now only stirs a few emotions, once a year in November.

So, by "soon" I don't mean tomorrow. But in terms of generations and recorded history "soon" doesn't take long to come around.

And as I also tried to point out, the teaching, acquiring and storing of data is a selective process. So, WW2 is big in your database, but what about the Australian Aboriginal massacres I alluded to. How much emphasis do you place on those in your thoughts? How much emphasis was placed on them in your education?

I didn't say that they did.

Nope, that's just your opinion. That some people share with you and some people don't share with you.

And accusations of trolling and gaslighting, tell me that you've lost this particular argument.

Covid is as covid does and like influenza was/is potentially dangerous.

A hastily put together global vaccination programme has manged to significantly curtail the serious effects of the virus.

Of course, teens can show off from their position of comparatively lower risk and diminished responsibility. As they have always done.

But just be thankful that some people went to university and paid attention in virology classes.

Nope, just proving that there are two sides to every argument, neither of which is necessarily right nor wrong.

Though some people intolerantly assume self-righteousness and invent problems.

Stop obsessing about other people's life choices and concentrate on your own. 

Everything is relative within a Universe.

For example, the perverse paedophilic act of circumcision and X the dicktator.

Perhaps it's just your conditioned sensibilities that are no longer pertinent.

Maybe it would be better not to obsess about the personal necessities of others.

I would suggest that those who obsess the most about the sexuality of others, are perhaps the most perverse of thought.

Deb.

Pure logic Deb.

The book only records the second-hand tales of deluded men.

And sits quietly on the bookshelf, saying nothing and gathering dust.

Not really a logical reply is it?

You will undoubtedly have outgrown some.

As history goes back a very long way.

I had a direct link to WW2 through my father, though he died quite a while ago now.

He was there during the relief of Belsen concentration camp, but I cannot share the same memories of what he witnessed.

Only second-hand accounts, whereby the intensity of such memories is lost in one generation.

We've moved on through two or three generations since 1945, and Belsen concentration camp is now a largely forgotten bit of the bigger WW2 history lesson.

So, assuming that you are Aussie, do you still have nightmares about Callata Springs?

Would you even know what happened there without the help of Google?

#70

Not worthy of reply.

I would suggest that World View consists of intellectually evolved hominid understanding or misunderstanding of their universal predicament. Which I suppose in one way could be regarded as the essence of the species, but not really the essence of life.

I think that most people take the essence of life for granted. As opposed to the essence of a life.

So yes, the essence of a life might include adherence to a particular ritualised ideology.

Yep, brief reading immediately tells me that J of A is as vague a character as Josephus is. If not more so.

And accounts of both are certainly subject to latter mythical reinterpretations.

Didn't Indiana Jones get involved too?

Opinions are generally propositional and therefore not fact checkable as such.

Of course, if one intends to quote fact it's best to quote correctly.

Though if you're king Put or any counter propagandist, it's currently necessary to quote all sorts of inaccurate shit.

The essence of ideological theory perhaps.

Which never quite tallies with the realities of ideological practice.

For example, the ideological zealot will find enlightenment in cutting someone's head off.

Though I fail to see what any of this has to do with the "essence of life".

Yep, popular whingers will get votes removed.

And one is expected to write a dissertation, as if everyone has the time to do so.

Which is why I don't bother to vote.

And you just sank to the depths of stupidity and jibing.

Which diminishes the credibility that I once openly supported.

There are rather a lot of Whitey Jews.

And the whitey Jew treats the swarthy Palestinian barbarically.

As the swarthy Palestinian will treat the Jew barbarically.

And ask the people of Rwanda if Blacky cannot also be barbaric.

No mystery.

Time and generations pass, and the effects of tragedy will diminish.

We might be taught the history lesson from time to time, but a minute later or a day later we will have moved on to the next bit of data recall without shedding a tear.

Generations are already outgrowing WW2.

Yep, we have reached an agreement.

Yep, all good.

And I differentiate between base instinct and acquired behaviour.

And sexual attraction at base level is a separate issue to physical attraction at a socio-conceptual level

The stag fucks every doe irrespective of looks, and without the need for overthink.

And indiscriminate sex is more relative to the human condition than it is to most other species.

Indiscriminate sex is the outcome of overthink rather than the outcome of base physiology.

That is to say that humans have developed the practice of copulating when it not necessary to do so.

Recreational sex as it were.

Slavery might or not be better for the slave.

That would depend upon the slave owner.

Do you think that today, slavery is better for the young girl who is forced into prostitution by Eastern European thugs.

Not all slaves were black.

And not all slaves were/are put to work on sunny sugar plantations by jolly slave owners.

Josephus would seem to have the same credentials as Jesus.

A bloke that probably existed 2000ish years ago.

Though all accounts are second-hand, exaggerated, embellished and unverifiable.

For sure.

We record the past.

And reassess such data from time to time.

But memories fade.

And in fact, most human memories from WW2 will soon be extinct.

And some will be inspired to place more significance upon past events than most others will.

Really all depends upon how intensively we condition our kids.

Though, if WW2 becomes no more than a brief history lesson, then that is all that it will eventually become.

Perhaps one of my ancestors died during the English Civil War, but that would be no more than briefly interesting.

No sleep lost.

No sorrow.

Yes.

Please point out the irony, as it might help to clarify things.

My contention as ever, is that humans are prone to take base instinct and apply conceptuality and therefore apply socio-psychological modifications to decisions.

Read through my posts and you will see that I always try to temper such arguments with the understanding that all such modifications are nonetheless natural derivatives of base instinct. Human evolution if you like.

So, in simple terms base instinct was/is see it fuck it.

Whereas today, we apply the see it, think about it, might or might not fuck it approach.

So based on that simple assessment I would conclude that a response is no longer based solely upon an instinctive reaction but is always subject to a certain level of conditioned socio-psychological influence.

So, to put that in simple terms, we see, we think, and we decide what is or isn't attractive.

Exactly.

King Put says off you go and off they go.

My apologies.

#85

Slavery was.

And then now,

And then the future.

People of lower intellectual ability are easily conditioned to behave collectively.

Probably sexually active.

Though seemingly carries a certain weight of socio-psychologically accrued baggage.

Therefore, could be prone to cognitive dissonance.

So perhaps not to be relied upon.

#87.

You asked the question.

I responded.

All current and relevant worth was contained within that exchange of data.

Exactly what I meant about cherry picking.

So, such and such happened and everything else is temporarily irrelevant.

It's like saying that heavy snow brought down the power lines, but because you are cold and without power now, it's the fault of the power company for not fixing in quickly enough. The cause of the problem is conveniently forgotten and therefore irrelevant.

Well, the head is centre of operations.

Soon the "holocaust" will be a forgettable page of human history.

So, to what degree did the "holocaust" change social thinking?

Good morning.

I will read and reply later.

And yep, the Lord of the Rings trilogy we great fantasy novels. 

And Jackson's film trilogy was excellent, albeit somewhat edited.

Though I found subsequent Hobbit films disappointing, so much so that I only watched about half of the first one and didn't bother with the other two.

People keep confusing Brits and English.

And also keep forgetting that modern "White" American ancestry is founded in the same past as "White" British ancestry.

And please, I use the term white only as a point of reference.

#28 Good thoughts.