zedvictor4

Because the collective is never 100% of everyone, then everyone is always an exception to someone else's rule.

Good answer.

You cannot out immoral the psychopath.

And eating humans is only immoral if you are a vegan.

And moral compasses have the ability to point in all directions. Especially if you have a magnetic personality.

Hence all the wobbly ones.

And hey, if you want to do something immoral today, go and expose yourself to a Koala.

Just think of all the emotional damage you will cause.

Yes, you miss the point for a second time.

Though what you say is obviously true.

But only until circumstances dictate otherwise.

It is sometimes deemed necessary for the collective to be selectively moral.

And of course, the collective is never 100% of everyone.

I was referring to the corrupt nature of a legal system, where the primary consideration is money.

Shouldn't the application of law not be based upon the ability of the individual to pay.

But solely upon the precise interpretation of law.  

Maybe one day I will have the time to research and construct a worthwhile debate.

For now, sporadic Forum discussion is what I have time to enjoy.

Regards

Zed.

Hi Deb.

A multiple-choice question to determine your level of morality

Picture this:

You witness from an unseen position, a six-foot-six-inch brick shit house of a psychopath hacking a lovely old ladies head off.

Do you:

A. Stay hidden but still within danger and try and call the cops without drawing attention to yourself.

B. Sneak away then run like fuck.

C. Introduce yourself as a kung fun expert and invite said psychopath around for a coffee and a chat to discuss his emotional issues.

Am I saying:

A. Fuck morality.

B. She was in her eighties, had a good innings and beheading was probably swifter and kinder than a prolonged demented demise in a nursing home.

C. Don't do it Deb. Survival of the fittest is not immoral.

@Poly

Do unnecessarily big people tend to have unnecessarily big friends?

Fit healthy trim people do seem to seek out fit healthy trim friends. 

So, in this respect it would seem that "class" is only relative to shape and health, rather than intellect.

As it would also seem that there is no clear relationship between intellect and body shape. 

The main issue is that laziness has (temporarily) become established in affluent westernised societies.

Easy (unhealthy) food for no effort. 

Other than as a means of justification and security in a society of established taboos, why would such people require movements?

Are they not as nature intended?

In a fair and diligent legal system, bail would an unnecessary privilege.

Though legal systems are usually corrupted by financial considerations anyway.

I don't imagine that a Republican led legal system would be any less corrupt than a Democrat led system.

For sure, we all acquire data and establish behaviour and respond to external stimuli accordingly.

Most of our established ideas and behaviour we learn as kids.

Though that is not to say that we will not modify ideas and behaviour as our intellect matures.

In the first instance yes.

In the second, we are prepared to collectively contradict ourselves.

Thou shalt not kill, unless it is a necessary requirement of the collective.

Morality is sort of adherence to a collective idea that certain behaviour is either right or wrong.

In some instances, we collectively agree to contradict an established moral principle.

Which is what I refer to as selective morality.

As ever, hand me down tales become either a new generations mythology, or even some people's misguided belief.

Such is the consequence of memory, data transfer and conditioning.

Fantasy entertainment.

Escapism or dissatisfaction with life? (The same thing maybe).

Wasn't allowed to watch TV as a kid, so consequently grew up not dependant on TV.

Like that.

Egg producer, sperm producer and very rare physiological anomalies.

And then there is the human evolutionary development of constructive thought to take into consideration.

Of course, constructive thought allowed us to both fly to the moon and cut our dicks and balls of and call ourselves Sybil.

Some might refer to the latter as overthink.

But nonetheless both are achievable.

Shamanic ritual often involves the use mind altering substances. Allowing the shaman to connect with a spirit realm.

Such substances were and are regionally common.

This would explain a lot. 

Firstly, we must resolve the dilemma.

Was or was not Abraham as high as a kite?

Yep, I wouldn't disagree.

Who are "they"?

Without "they", there would be anarchy.

Society would be a shithole without "they".

Yet we continually criticize "they".

If you could do better than "they" can, then get up of your moaning backside and become one of "they".

After all, "they" are all basically human. Though perhaps somewhat cleverer than you.

Just a thought based upon an observation.

HOF.

Meaningless back patting for attention seekers.

Enjoy.

The understanding of Human Rights varies.

There is no absolute authority with the power to dictate what is actually right or wrong. 

One can only implement authority by abusing another person's sensibilities.

Nope a smartphone is indicative of material evolution.

Christianity was a phase within human intellectual evolution.

Christians owning smartphones is perhaps indicative of inevitability.

And nihilism as a philosophical concept is already out there for all to partake of. Though the instinctive reality of the species, dictates that meaning tends to be something we are all programmed with.

The exercise of assessing nihilistic data and the development of actual physiological nihilism are two different issues. Though that is not to say that the human condition could not one day be reprogrammed.

Currently a smartphone is just another data transfer system.

LOL.

Twill be soon enough my friend.

For sure, religion was one aspect of intellectual development.

Inevitable really, when searching for answers in the absence of more complex scientific understanding.

Nope. Ongoing religion embraces ongoing material development.

I bet that most young Christians own a smartphone, for example.

Meaning is what we attribute to our existence, irrespective of a pointless Universal outcome.

Very few people are absolute nihilists.

Species reduction would perhaps be a good thing.

Though I would suggest that in terms of intellectual development, a lot of people was a necessary evolutionary requirement.

But maybe we are now at a point whereby intellectual necessity can be technologically facilitated.

Not that European settlers didn't invade back on the day.

Ever since homo-sapiens stood up and scratched its head, it has been invading.

Not always in buses though.

Presumably the first inhabitants of the Americas didn't originate in the Americas.

Of course, NOW is always what matters the most.

@Poly

Of course, to make such a statement Poly must assume that she is right and knows it all.

Species evolution is a small chunk of the bigger picture of material evolution.

Material evolution and our place therein, is what interests me more.

Though Darwin did a great job of explaining the processes of physical adaptation and development.

I would suggest that the "giant leap" came with the rapid development of intellectual ability.

The ingenuity to outsmart our animal competitors and migrate, survive and proliferate in varying climes.

So, in terms of evolution, intellect allowed us to adapt to the natural world comparatively quickly.

When compared to the physical development of the brain and sensory functions for example.

Religion was just a part of intellectual development, from which we have moved on. Though old ideas are recorded and therefore will inevitably persist.

And of course, what moves us on is our expanding intellect, allowing us to facilitate an exponential rate of material development into a technological era.

 

Cataracts.

Fortunately, an easily rectifiable condition these days.

But thanks for the sentiment.

Mrs Zed fine.

One perfect eye now, and one not so perfect awaiting it's new lens.

Evolution:

From boom to bust and everything in between.

A we're a part of it for less than a Universal nanosecond.

And I can still get three bottles of IPA for a fiver and afford a cheese and pickle sandwich.

Heaven on Earth can be as simple as that.

Regards to you and yours Stephen.

Agree.

I would both disagree and agree.

One can run with either chance or purpose.

And the principle of purpose comes with many possibilities all of which can be referred to as a GOD principle.

I think that atheist /theist ideas have a tendency to be conflated with old style picture book deism, leading to misunderstanding.

The popularly derived Middle Eastern tales have become a pseudo-hypothetical mythology, which to say the least in terms of logic and reason are somewhat full of holes.

And for sure, most atheism on this site is therefore just about pointing out the illogic of the Christian Bible.

There is this magic bloke in the sky, who got a virgin pregnant... And the magic bloke eventually got his son nailed to a post for our sins....Type of baloney.

Whereas the idea of a purposeful creation and ongoing material development is a more logical understanding of a GOD principle.

Nope.

UK is fine for me.

Sweden makes some good TV dramas.

I don't mind sub-titles.

I'm perhaps an unconventional atheist.

Me and Deb both actually.

A President should work for the benefit of an entire Nation.

So perhaps Biden is doing his job properly.

Notwithstanding that a "Red State" is only a Red State by virtue of a higher voting percentage.

Us and them politics, is for those with too much time on their hands.

Or for most folk, once every four years.

Too many people wanting too much.

And all that such overdemand entails.

So, Doc. It doesn't matter who's in charge.

And material evolution exceeded the naivety of Abrahamic based deism some time ago.

Just as we are out of date Doc.

So, no good fretting too much about that which will not concern us.

Top of the morning.

Acrophobia.

Fear of heights.

Perhaps you lived in a ground floor apartment.

Though it's good to hear that acquired immunity to COVID has elevated your perspective.

Hi Stephen.

I would contend that man polluting his environment is a natural occurrence.

The effects of which might be deemed disastrous, relative to what is deemed not to be disastrous.

Relative to the human organisms acquired assumption that it and it's environment is somewhat special.

Which in terms of material evolution is a somewhat reasonable assumption.

But not necessarily a correct assumption within a Universal context.

Unless we are the only ones doing this stuff.

And of course, if all this stuff we do has a greater purpose.

GOD principle as it were.

But not to get too hung up on old Middle Eastern Tales.

Though the analogy contained therein is pertinent, if one airs on the side of a semi-purposeful creation and ongoing material development....AKA evolution.

Not to be confused with Darwinian theory.

Though Darwinian theory is obviously a valid part thereof.

Yep, such is mythology.

And PMA is good for sure....Doesn't matter how one achieves it....And praying to one's particular GOD is one method.

And sometimes miracles seemingly occur.

If one considers the millions/billions of events that occur in a single day, odds are that one or two are going to be slightly unusual.

And then there is exaggeration and make believe to consider......Especially if there is a profit to be made.

There's a general format to all sex.

Then go get on with something else, or rollover and go to sleep.

Home is where the heart is.

Bit of a slushy saying, but true.

New spell check is a tad overzealous.

So, two theists have a dig and a jibe at people they don't know.

GOD they must be so terrified and frustrated.

HaHa.

Conditioning is what it is and outcomes are what they are.

And everyone is essentially the same.

As ever.

GOD principle sound.

Floaty about blokes not so.

Exactly.

Well, I have existed since 1960, so Darwin must have used his crystal ball.

And there is a whole load of stuff relative to my existence and a whole load that isn't....Same as everyone.

Just as we all have different views on theistic deistic stuff.

For sure.

In short.....The Sun radiates energy, which enters the Earth's atmosphere and is converted to light and heat.

Brightness is relative to the observer and not to the Sun.

Brightness would depend upon atmospheric and environmental conditions.

A blind person might assess the varying effect of the sun by registering heat.

But put a blind person in the Antarctic on a clear day and they would not register the level of brightness.

A basic Italian Pizza is dough crust, tomato sauce, mozzarella type cheese and basil.

But have what ever you fancy.

Though just crust would be a bit bland and dry. 

Everything is a natural development of something.

Cause and affect as it were.

It probably all happened before, in a previous Universe.