zedvictor4

Love and wants are internal electro-chemical responses to external stimuli.

Which we think about and label according to a linguistic standard.

We label all sorts of stuff with "LOVE".

All thought processes are internal and therefore subjective irrespective of the agreed validity of the data.

Yep.

Collectivism is a good species survival strategy.

Ideology is an evolutionary development thereof.

Deism and religious development were an evolutionary inevitability of an intellectual specialist.

Eating sensibly and exercising regularly is common sense.

So relabel it and market it as Keto, and the faddists will temporarily buy into it.

Same as ever.

(1) Why would  qualia be a necessity for an alternative intelligence?

(2) How to program sentience....Download it.

Yep.

I see an organic/inorganic hybrid as likely part of the process of intellectual development.

Butterscotch brittle sounds like love and morality to me.

Liquorice ice cream, immoral without a doubt.

That's the beauty of theory.

But perhaps the transference of intellectual responsibility to devices (Alternative Intelligence) is more probable and more practical.

Nowhere is it written that the evolution of matter peaks with organic intelligence.

Given what one might conclude are the universal necessities of material evolution, then it's perhaps more likely that the inorganic will be more suited to the task.

Though not suggesting that human intellectual evolution has already reached it's zenith. Species manipulation as you describe, is still in it's infancy.

As far as we know, we are the only existent highly intellectual  organic lifeforms in the Universe and this small planet we are still bound to, has limited resources.

And so, we are driven to acquire knowledge, and things must and will change.

I know what you are saying.

Nonetheless all organic data is subject to the same processes.

This site is full of assumed fact and assumed counter-fact.

Socrates and Meno were not exceptions.....Just notable but equally fallible persons of their time.

@Tarik.

I love Ice Cream.

Is that what morality is.

This discussion got real hot real quick.

Hot shit.

Must have been eating chilli's.

Nice.

Is Heh an Aussie word?

Objectivity is subjectivity dressed up.

The moment that we convert stored data to thought to narrative.

Didn't know that you played the harp?

I understand the concept.

Ask pro-lifers what life actually is, and no one actually knows.

I assume that the sperm and the egg inherit their life force from the mother and father, who inherit it from, who inherit it from, etc etc.

What is it in the seed that lies dormant in the ground for years and years waiting for rain?

Maybe it is GOD given.

But where did a GOD get it from?

#6

Said with conviction.

@Poly

On line dictionary's good for definitions.

Though personally acquired and stored data relative to the topic of religion is pretty general, irrespective of whatever label you wish to attribute to a database.

It's somewhat foolish to suggest that theists and atheists think differently, because of how you choose to label them. When in fact they are all subject to the same basic data input.

The difference lies in conclusion and output.

So for a general debate site such as this, all output relative to the subject of religion is equally valid. 

If you wish to specialise, go dance naked in the woods with your mates. (Only f****** joking).

One the one hand you overcomplicate atheism.

And on the other hand you present a basic misrepresentation of atheism.

Just the same old dig at non-theists really, just dressed up in slightly different verbiage.

The age old dig, proposing that non-theist lives therefore have no purpose, is baloney.

One could just as easily argue that theistic lives must be so shallow and meaningless, if purpose can only be found within the pages of a fantasy.

Well,

Emotive semantics again.

Me personally,

I would rather not create it in the first place,

If it wasn't planned.

But others think and do differently.

Nonetheless.

I don't suppose that anyone creates,

With the sole aim of killing.

Medical and surgical intervention,

Gives us a plethora of possibilities these days.

Like,

Safe abortion when mistakes are made,

Or,

Gender realignment, which is,

No more or less,

The destruction of creation.

See how easy,

Semantics is.

I don't think that they were being particularly serious.

Emotive use of semantics dear RM.

Fertilization will occur (creation).

Killing babies is infanticide.

Removal of unwanted zygotes is what it is. Practical.

And morality is a variable concept.

And no one is right and no one is wrong.

Because right and wrong are also variable concepts.

In my opinion of course.

Your opinion may differ.

Such is the variability of opinions.

The GOD principle.

That which initiates a universal event is predictable within the potential and limitations of physical laws.

So the organic was inevitable, therefore ideas of a supernatural deity were also inevitable and predictable.

Trouble is such predictability can only be predicted with hindsight. LOL

And of course, a supernatural deities behaviour is simply human behaviour.

@Poly

Well f****** stated Poly.

@Tarik

Morality.

Yes, it's a concept that tends to vary considerably.

GOD principle sound.

Infinitely existent floaty about blokes not so.

Exactly.

You can always tell which is a Greyparrot thread.

Though true to the saying,

Power corrupts.

Doesn't matter which club you support.

Yep.

One possibility is Doc, 

It was the choir boy thing that they found exciting.

Not that I believe them for a minute.

Sensible for sure....Just call me Mr Wise.

But pro-lifers supposedly have a moral crusade.....Albeit a hypocritical one.

The potential for a life must be present within the sperm and the egg.

So if some  pro-lifers advocate sterilization, they clearly also wish to pick and choose their moments of high morality.

Vasectomies have doubled.

Sort of pro-life hypocrisy really.

Relatively speaking, nothing hurtles.

Hurtling is only a concept relative to you.

So it took you 92 years to rebel against your protestant upbringing.

How did your Saudi neighbours react to your decision?

Oldschoolpancakedummy  hey?

And I just converted to Vogon.

For sure.

Hence mythology.

I sure love the spiritual gift of Ice cream.

We have a bloke who comes around in a pink van selling creamy fantasy treats.

His name is Paul.

And he has a lot of Greek pals.

How's that for a miraculous coincidence?

I know for a fact that RM is bald with buck teeth and a zit problem.

His Rapping pseudonym is Spot the Hairless Rabbit.

A Icantmakeanymoneyinvestingingreenenergyduetothefactwehaven'thitthebottomoftherecessionyetocracy.

Is this like an arm of conspiratocracy.

Another "racy" but with an A instead of and O.

I would suggest that you enjoy living in a conspiratocracy.

Whereas I live in a getupdothisandthatandthengobacktobedocracy.

@Poly

To be honest, spaceships is the more reasonable explanation for the whole GOD thing.

Though they seem to have forgotten the way back.

Or have they.

@Shila.

Did Moses get lost too.

Exactly.

Therefore we end up with typical mythology.

A mix of people, places and fantasy.

@Poly.

Fortunately these days, we all know that witches are make believe.

Other than the good simple  argument for pro-choice

Which is that of the host mother to make.

Rather than the choice of some pious old bloke.

Or pious young bloke for that matter.

@Poly.

How can one present an "accurate" portrayal of a mythical GOD?

A portrayal that satisfies your needs perhaps.

My perfect Odin is a slender transsexual formerly known as Odette, who enjoys tickling maidens breasts with a Ravens feather.

Liberal terrorists is something of a contradiction in terms anyway.

It's just the old us and them argument.

Worn out, then to either landfill or incineration.

Bibles and people alike.

Though tattered old bibles have a habit of outliving their guardian.

A human zygote resultant of the fusing of two human gametes (egg and sperm) is what it is.

Definition proceeds through developmental stages, to a point whereby the dependant becomes detached from the host and is labelled variously as a baby, child, adult etc.

All human and all being.

Until such times when they might expire.

And also remember that Putin is one of a line of paranoid Soviet/Russian megalomaniacal tyrants.

Who will be next?

@Poly

It's all just reprocessed data presented as entertainment.

No big deal.

And stuff.

And go to bed.

And get up in the morning....With a bit of luck.

And if one wants to be in a Sunday morning club and do a bit of mumbling and singing....Then go for it.

And the founding fathers (mothers didn't get a look in) are long since dead and buried.

@Poly

Perhaps some people don't bother to engage in stuff that is patently stupid.

Just a thought.

Though in fairness, we all look to do stuff in our spare time.

And dancing naked in the woods might be quite liberating I suppose.

As long as it makes you feel good.

Though it must be said that you certainly exhibit a lot of angst.