zedvictor4

Top of the morning to you Doc.

And yep... A reasonable short summary of recent history.

Though I think Dubya would have probably used the word hurtified.

Borders are fictitious lines, on maps and in heads.

And I'm a citizen of Planet Earth, sub-categorized as European, then British, born in England and living in Wales..... And like most similarly placed people, I regard all those across the Irish pond, as Irish of Earthling extraction.

And "The Troubles".....Were silly men with guns and bombs, harping on about the past.....Certain parallels  to be drawn with the Israeli, Palestinian troubles, for sure.

And all depending upon which bit of the past one wishes to dwell upon, of course.

"misspoke"

One of those words that never quite looks right.

More suggestive of a missed poke,  than speaking incorrectly.

3800 now Mr F.

You've snook on another 400.

Nonetheless land purchase is the misappropriation of a universal asset.

Will it be 4000 tomorrow?

Terror is terrifying.

I'm certain that there are men, women and children in Gaza who are as terrified as men, women and children in Israel.  (All other assumed gender-types accepted)

And "Palestine is a terrorist sponsoring State".......Where is Palestine and who's terror does it sponsor?

Sponsors of terror are largely profit motivated arms manufactures and dealers.

Helping people who actually care to learn.

There's a distinction to be made between help and indoctrination.

And I think that the Bro Is beyond both.

3400 years ago isn't the first place.

And land purchase is an assumption that handing over a wad of dosh somehow means you can own the Earth, whereas a homeland is where the foetus is dropped.

The actual difference between the two sides  is hypothetical ideology and the divergence thereof.

In terms of 3400 years ago the natives of the Arabian peninsula, were largely, one and the same.

And modern Israel survives thanks only to it's Big Bro across the Atlantic pond.

And all the lessons of the 1940's were largely forgotten in the 1950's.

The problem is neither Jewish nor Palestinian.....The problem is humanity, and it's ideologically contrived non-sense.

Or I should say, the ideologically contrived non-sense of a minority of zealots.

Cause and effect and reason

The cause is primary and unknown and the effects are experienced and the reasons can be variously categorised under GOD.

And the universe is vast, so unicorns are just as possible as a floaty about bloke.

And the flying spaghetti monster, illustrates a point.

And the habitual transfer of data is what it is.

If one consumes alcohol, then one is intoxicated.

And varying exhibitions of uninhibited behaviour may transpire, relative to consumption rates.

The intoxicated often retain the belief that they are behaving rationally.... Though staggering,  speech impediments and eventual collapse are usually the big give away.

Vomit and headaches may follow.

Been there, done that.

More than once.

Lesson learned.

Though some people never learn.

Lil Nas X is LBGTQ+

Wouldn't you know.

Talk about cynical marketing.

And the target audience will lap it up.....For a while.

Until the next big thing hits their screens.

And satanic videos....Been around for years.

So a sort of retro vibe going on there.

And when you get to my age, you will probably smile too.

RatMan is a blocker.

A crazy mixed up f**ker.

Always makes me smile.

His resistance is futile

Just like the Weaker

Can't turn down the speaker.

Gotta lot to say 

But in their own pretentious way.

So what you say is boring

But they're no good at ignoring.

I would like to find a Picasso in a junk shop.

I could sell it and retire.

Certainly wouldn't want it on my wall.

Wouldn't mind a Klimt though.

"Art" is one of those all encompassing words.

Some might say that there is an art to everything.

Is art the vision or the acquired skill?

Or perhaps the vision, plus the innate skill.

Or perhaps the power to inspire

Or is it as simple as slopping a bit of colour about on a wet afternoon.

Or..........

@Theweakeredge.

I was interested to see that you are still grinding your own personal axe.

And you block because others disagree with you.

Yet, you cannot ignore others.

So perhaps you are not so confident of your own knowledge.

And books are, as we want them to do.

And you're kind of a crazy mixed up kid.

Youthful dysphoria....We've all had attacks of that.

Hormones.....Can't live without them.

Gametes....Dictatorial little buggers.

Christian, Jesus and Jew.

That would be an academic question.

A Christian is a Christian because they variously accept what they have been told.

I doubt that many Christians club members, have ever read the bible from cover to cover.....Most just have childhood recollections of the popular bits.

And GODS are/were created in various images......States the obvious really.

So, who gives her the job?

Science and nature.

Perhaps there should be a fantasy category.

Or was it a metaphorical question?

Nontrinitarian G.C.

New club....What's the dress code?

Just to give my two pennies worth, to this dumb ass thread.

Some might suggest that all murder is "wildly out of control."

And as Mr Faux implies...It's people that murder.

So statistics show....As they do.....And other statistics, show other things.

And suicide is a Japanese tradition.

And murder is a U.S. tradition.

That's culture for you.

And the Scots have bagpipes.

And the Falkland Islanders have tenuous isolation.

And guns are as guns do.

Live birth viability is based on technology.

I know I know.....It was a GOD what did it.

The technology I mean.

And the foetus is not just enclosed, but also attached and reliant.

You overlooked the attached and reliant bit.

I know I know.... A GOD and technology.

And as anyone ever stopped and asked the foetus what it thinks....Or if it cares.

And humans variously continue to do this, that and the other.

Such is the potential of gamete fusion.

Rear ended hey....Some might say, the solution to the problem.

And I love your use of metaphor.

Well.

Jesus is either the son of a GOD, or the personification of a GOD, or both.....Such is the confusion of the Christian Club version.

Nonetheless  the spread of Arabian theism all stems from the same notion of GOD.

So depending on which club one subscribes to, (or not, in my case) GOD can be both the same and/or different. (Other specialist clubs are available)

The Christian one is often envisaged as a fair skinned guy with a flowing mane of blond hair.......I would imagine that the Muslim one is generally regarded as being swarthier with curly black hair......And the Jewish one perhaps wears a black hat.

And as for Catholics and all that Virgin Mary stuff!

Your brief summary suggests to me that Dr Schlain, sort of states the obvious....And perhaps for you, is just an enigmatic confirmation of some of your own ideas.

Cynically I would say that any book these days, is primarily motivated, by marketability and target audiences, rather than the altruistic spreading of wisdom.

And for sure, attributing gender to objects is commonplace, just look at the French language for example.

As a schoolboy, I never understood the French need for such distinctions....The masculine cat, tom or she, sits in the feminine chair.....Bizarre and unnecessarily complicting, for an already conditioned realist such as myself....The cat, and the chair, will suffice.

I know, I know...Conditioned English bias.

Everyone is conditioned, but also susceptible to influence.

Conditioning is how we acquire, process and store data, particularly in our formative years.

As we get older we are less susceptible to change....Though that isn't to say that we cannot make deliberate changes to lifestyle.

Nonetheless, learned values and habits tend not to alter.

It's an automated process when all systems function correctly.

Though knowledge is not exclusively reliant upon sight

"Knowing how to see".....Yep, an artistic expression.

Seeing what you want to see....A cynical expression.

It's been a while since the old A issue reared its head.

Nothing's changed though.

Some for, some against, on the basis of varying  ideology....As ever...As everything.

Right and Wrong...Concepts derived of varying ideology....As ever.

Somebody v Somebody as ever.

All infused with hypocrisy....As ever.

Cynicism as ever.

Poetically licenced to be cynical.

Though to be fair...I probably am a tad cynical at times.

Data in, data storage, data out....Nothing fake about the process.....Just contrived variety, on the basis of the unknown.

Muslim Jew Christian (and all other minor derivatives).....You can't separate them Timmy....So no point in going there.

It's the bloke in the sky that they all nod to.

ADJECTIVE   U.S,  informal

1. Racist or Self loathing.

Joe....Asleep....Just rolled over.

Lori...Multiple agendas.

Let's all move to Tennessee.

To be perfectly honest, I don't think about "Race" other than the human race.

Though I inevitably and unavoidably consider perceivable difference in everything.....Internal Data processing.

And as an internal data output, I am pretty well conditioned, not to be discriminatory on the basis of perceivable human differences, even though I am inevitably and unavoidably aware.

The unavoidable awareness of perceivable difference, is not racist per se......Racism...is discriminating on the basis of perceivable human difference.....And I strive not to do this.

And as I see it, the O.P poses a question for consideration. 

Debate website...Hence questions.

And be as rude as you like....I'm thick skinned.

Nonetheless, I do debateart because the exercise  is mentally stimulating.

And not wishing to be too gender specific, I have always assumed that you are female...So do you not see the misogynism in old GODS.

And not wishing to be rude at all, but your take on things as described, is far too spiritual and ethereal for a conditioned realist such as myself.

Human birth, life and death and all it's machinations ..... Are (as I see it) thus far, a short phase of a process, that is material evolution.....And though I loosely subscribe to a GOD principle, I see it as no more or no less than that which perpetuates material evolution....Maybe successively and infinitely.

And If I did not care, I would not bother.

All ideologically diverged from the same fundamental, regional and cultural beginnings....For sure.

Regional and cultural beginnings that predate Abrahamic theism......As do most regional and cultural beginnings predate Abrahamic theism.

The guy that went up a mountain, got stoned, and had a chat to a supernatural entity.....For sure.

@RatMan

See above.

And:

A veritable plea to the emotions. Though have you ever compared the life and death of a domesticated farm animal, to the harsh reality of it's natural cousins life and death?

Yes....And It's not uncommon for Eagles to be kept and trained for hunting and falconry displays.....Another issue perhaps?

My dog is fed a meat based diet.....And my diet is considered and well balanced, including a small amount of meat and fish.

I'm a conditioned realist and don't easily succumb to trendy social pressures and emotional pleas.

........And Lidl and Aldi.

Same fundamental basis...Varying ideology.

Different head gear but a similar focus on genital mutilation and pork.....Not Lidl and Aldi I hasten to add.

Bicker Bicker Bicker

As my dear departed Mum used to say.

If not the thread, then I think that you've both lost the plot.

And so....GODS are not lies.....GODS are hypotheses.

A lie is a mistruth intended to deceive......Ooooops.....Was that a contradiction?

No......Not if I insert deliberate before mistruth.

And for good measure, naive before hypotheses.

Chinese atheism goes a long way to proving that religions are taught contrivances.

And American theism does the same.

Certainly proves that one can make a silk purse from a sows ear.

In the U.K.

Cricket Club and County Council.

Climate Change is generally climate change.

Though presumably, one can acronymatize anything....Just as one can make up words like acronymatize. (A la Dubya)

From now on, I will refer to you as M.M.F.

Monsieur Mc Faux.

Internal processes....Such is "wonder" and in a sexual way.

So as suggested.....Chemical processes and data management.

Or to put it another way..."Nature and nurture coalesce in our desires".

Very Tolkien.

Some might say Tolkien to the point of plagiarism.

That's a truism if ever I heard one.

I know.

You're the GND personified.....You and Joe are like peas in a pod.

Hot air from the Windy City.

I agree, but perhaps not so vehemently.

Race and discrimination are internal data assessments, activated by sensory perception.

We see and we hear, and we inevitably judge.

Though social racism is determined by effect rather than it's cause.

And we can still decide to treat each other respectfully.

I'm not sure though, if inanimate possessions are racist per se....Though some might conclude that certain objects are symbolically representative of human racism.

Though I would suggest that "some" people take pleasure in continually grinding the racist axe.

Is a can of beans racist?.....Hmmmmmm......Probably the black eyed ones for some. 

Not unless you live in the U.K.

As I said...Current demand.

Current needs and demands, dictate current policy.

GND is an attempt to address ongoing concerns, rather than ignoring them.

It must get cold in the evenings, even where you live McFaux....And how are you going to cook ya porridge and illuminate votre cave.

@RatMan

What do you mean , when you say false excuses?

I'm not seeking to excuse or justify anything.

I'm just questioning contradictory ethics, or selective morality.

Well, there was obviously a hint of China there.

I'm not sure that everyone is a "fucking racist".

But I would agree that everyone is inherently discriminatory.

Cum, roll over, and go to sleep.....Skin tone and place of origin irrelevant.

What about pre-David.

How far do we have to go back before we agree on who to blame or not.

And all  land ownership, is expropriation or theft anyway.

And who has the power to recognise?....Well, obviously the ones with the power to recognise.

So a lot of people recognise Israel as a legitimate sovereign state, and a lot do not....And so the consequences are as they are and will be ongoing.

Because the U.S. and it's allies have and never will  be able to settle the issue.