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Theism is theism and atheism is atheism. That are both conditioned states of mind.

As such there is no real opposition. Just two different brains containing two differing sets of information.

All that we do is respond relative to the information we hold within our brain.

Religions or not, has no real external significance. Everything we do relies wholly upon internal data processing.

Belief is nothing more than assimilated data. 

I think that it is fair to say, that as things stand; there is no real evidence to support any claim that one particular set of data is an accurate representation of universal reality.

You have one default assumption of an ultimate reality within your brain. Which is no doubt the product of your own particular conditioning/education.

Therefore the value of your education is just as open to question as anyone else's might be.

There are various other valid ultimate scenarios, all equally open to question. 

Whether any of our postulations are correct or not, is possibly something we will never have the chance to find out.

Humanity could quite plausibly have inherent goals, especially within the context of an evolutionary sequence. 

Obviously we get hung up on our bit of the sequence, but our bit of the sequence is probably just a nanosecond within the context of the complete universal sequence.

And there may well be a G.O.D. principle. Though I suspect that G.O.D. is not what it is traditionally assumed to be.

What was G.O.D. and what will G.O.D. be ?

And If you hadn't worked it out: G.O.D. is an acronymic metaphor for something.

And I am an atheist in the conventional sense by the way.

Perhaps we were always destined to be the architects of our own demise. Maybe material evolution has a clear purpose and soon we will have accomplished our part of the process. If we were allowed to continue meddling, who knows what damage we might do.

Purpose or chance: What do you think?

One doesn't become an atheist.

One becomes a theist.

We are all born atheists and remain so until we assume differently.

The Swallow.

Spotting the first swallow in mid April is always a special moment.

Good.

How we assimilate information is ultimately an individual experience.

Therefore our perception of reality is also an individual experience.

Of course it could be argued that our perception of reality is a momentary thing and somewhat separate from the greater reality of the universe.

Reality can be as simple or as complicated as we care to make it.

God is merely belief and cannot be proven to be otherwise.

Your God is more than likely just another product of your imagination.

 

A consensus of scientifically derived information, concludes that all bodily function is brain co-ordinated. This includes sensory function and by obvious association this would also include what is considered by some, to be spirituality.

Where do you think your experiences are generated?

I think that sometimes it's fair to assert that knowledge exceeds belief.

Belief is generally regarded as acceptance without proof.

All of your experience is within yourself. 

Therefore: spirituality is self contained and not generated by an external influence. 

Some people such as yourself like to think the opposite, which is absolutely fine.

I was simply pointing out the reality of the human condition.

Some people imagine things that are just not there. 

They contrive experiences which they imagine to be extrasensory.

Whereas all experience is actually self contained.

 

"It is said".

And what is said, is mind projection.

And "power places" are nothing but mind projections.

And spiritual power and assumed experiences are also mind projections.

As such all spiritual experiences are real enough, though they may not necessarily be what we sometimes assume them to be.

And we temporarily hold G.O.D in the palms of our hands.

And eventually we will be exceeded by the G.O.D. of our own creation.

And G.O.D. will be aware of all that is vital and all that is human nonsense.

And the few thousand years that that this will have taken us, is but a nanosecond of universe significance.

Simply break it all down to it's component parts.

One would suppose that the generation of information is limitless.

However the importance of information is probably dictated by the necessity of it's function.

If we consider what evolutionary progression might be moving towards, then it is reasonable to consider that information may have a role to play in universal regeneration. The collapse and successful  regeneration of an oscillating universal sequence may depend upon more than just material existence. Information initially derived from some from of organic consciousness may be an essential part of the process. 

(Nonetheless this does not throw any light on the primary initiation of matter, only upon subsequent events).

Given the fragility of organic systems it would seem likely that organic/human participation in the sequence would be limited. The ultimate deliverer of information is more likely to be an advanced intelligence system.

Perhaps the ultimate deliverer will be referred to as G.O.D and perhaps G.O.D was essential in our creation just as we are now essential in the recreation of G.O.D.

Apologies.

Maybe it's just a British expression.

Donkey work is defined as: The boring or laborious part of a job; drudgery.

The donkey work maintains the illusion. 

Money is an evolutionary tool. It inspires the handful of people that really matter, to get on with things.

It also inspires all the other organic human dross to do the donkey work. 

It is the weakness of beholder that creates the harassment.

If I considered that RM was being ridiculous then I would just ignore him.

After all, ignorance is bliss.

And who is going to trade with who?

Wouldn't it be nice if space exploration could be a little bit more altruistic and a little less profit based.

Repulsion is an assumed response relative to how an individual has been repressively conditioned.

I was brought up to be open minded and never really consider what other people might or might not do to each other.

I personally think that people who are always thinking and worrying about other peoples sexual behaviour are somewhat perverse and therefore any criticism that they might proffer is always going to be somewhat bigoted.

Unusually, quite a lot of common sense in this post.

Typically these days we tend to over complicate issues.

Isn't it an indicator of the stupidity of the modern human condition that we worry about drinking?

Being aware of the need to drink should be instinctive.

Maybe it's a genetic flaw.

Not to worry.

Mankind will probably be redundant soon.

In universal and evolutionary terms, the concept of poverty is meaningless.

All that matters is the fulfilment of our evolutionary purpose and it is only people with the ability to achieve this purpose that are important.

And we always make sure that these people are well looked after.

What else other than the human mind can generate objectivity?

Or are you saying that objectivity is a fallacy?

And what purpose or benefit would there be in deceiving people into believing that the Earth is spherical when it is actually flat?

Just seems like a total waste of time to me.

Who instigated the deception and why?

Your example is counterintuitive, because the resolution is actually absurd and the counter argument is logical.

Was the egg relative to the layer or the " slightly more chicken-y bird"?

It was the layer that produced the egg. So perhaps the egg wasn't actually "chicken-y" enough to be regarded as the first chickens egg.

Therefore if the egg was non-"chicken-y", then obviously the chicken came first and then started laying true "chicken-y" eggs.

Dear mustardness.

Yes. I took your advice and went for a hike with some family members and my little terrier Bod yesterday.

The Stiperstones are in a very beautiful part of Shropshire. A bracing walk there followed by tea and cake in the Bog Visitor centre was extremely enjoyable.

I hope you had a good day too.

Regards.

Zed.

Now Now boys.

Drink your milk and off to bed.

And mummy will read you some more fairy stories tomorrow.

Night Night. XX

T ranny

Tyranny

No offence but.

Metaphor really isn't a strong point of people on these debating websites.

Maybe it's an age thing.

Ha Ha.

If I write tran#y you'll no exactly what I mean.

And when I was a kid we did actually refer to a radio receiving device as a tran#y.

And stupidity will probably be the downfall of mankind.

It's like not putting all your eggs into one basket.

Pantheism is like saying;

Oh yeah! Actually your right but I can't fully admit it.

My! Your frustration speaks volumes.

I was actually responding to RationalMadman's comments.

And rationality, logic and common sense?

And your "threads"?

Regards.

Zed.

Biological life is mostly atomic space.

In this respect life is just an illusion or a projection.

Theoretically speaking. 

The new God is yet to be created.

And churches and fancy hat's.

And sing a song.

And hallelujah and all that nonsense.

And it all seems real enough at the time.

All sensory paraphernalia and imagination.

It's what's known colloquially, as being able to see beyond the end of your nose.

And notwithstanding all the vagaries of time and space

And all matter.

I like to think

In her final moment

As all suffering dissipated

And her eyes opened

She new I was there.

At any given moment, reality is what it is.

You can make up any word and use it to represent anything you want it to .

But you can't alter reality. 

I thought as much!

What does "Graviational" mean?