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I was simply pointing out that you refer to Darwin's bogus theories, and yet consider your own theory of alien intervention as somehow not having the same potential to be bogus.

Nonetheless I have previously suggested that alien intervention is a plausible idea, though it comes with what you refer to as "gross holes".

Perhaps more likely, a case of extra-terrestrial seeding rather than a super-intelligence visitation.

And as I have also previously suggested Darwin's theories are just as compatible with the idea of extra-terrestrial seeding as the are with the idea of an Earth based electro-chemical reaction.

So as far as I am currently concerned all options remain open and species evolution is a reasonable theory.

Though I prefer to regard species evolution as a phase of general universal material evolution.

And your theories are easily incorporated into a variable theory of universal material evolution.

Though what is currently certain, is that we have no definitive answers available.

I never suggested "eternally existent".

I suggested genetically engineered agelessness.

And suggestions are not beliefs.

Just a discourse in respect of the future development of life, intelligence and evolutionary necessities.

Evolutionary necessity being one of two options.

The other option being pointless evolution.

Or,

I could also suggest that material development/evolution is perhaps no more than an elaborate process of decline, from one perfect state to another.

You stated that you weren't a fan of bogus theories.

And yet.

When it comes to physical structures, I wasn't suggesting that there was anything more than finite.

Though genetically engineering organic structures to stop the ageing process, is a likely future endeavour.

Amen.

Agree entirely.

I think that the main evidence is attributed to  a bloke called Luke.

Interestingly, other scholars also suggest that he was born  several years prior to the popular date.

Though the reality is that no one actually knows when Jesus was born.

I think that September is the best guess.

Of course, that's assuming there was a real bloke comparable with the biblical character of Jesus.

And I see no reason why there wouldn't have been.

Interesting that modern Americans nor  "First Nations" were named the national mammal.

Especially as the Bison probably got there the same way that everyone else did..

Global migration...But not necessarily in boats.

Yep.

Christians hijacked the pagan festival and renamed it Christmas.

I prefer the pagan ideology, regarding the winter solstice and the new year.

So winter festival for me.

Especially as Jesus was born in September....More of an Autumn equinox baby.

That is a truism.

I was just suggesting that results tend to exceed the expectations of naysayers.

Because we clearly possess the where with all to do so.

Therefore to suggest that  we will never reverse or halt biological ageing mechanisms is somewhat contrary to everything we have achieved thus far.

I generalise.

That as a species, we possess enhanced intelligence which could result in a peaceful collaborative global  society.

But.....Would you say that our intelligent endeavours have resulted in a peaceful collaborative global society?

Just cold, cloudy and damp here.

Can induce gloominess.

Just watched Bill Bailey in sunny Western Australia, thinking that it would heighten my mood. But for some reason it had the opposite effect.

Perhaps I'll try some vitamin D.

Or get one of those lamps.

And Man will never go to the Moon.

Understanding and manipulating, is a human specialism.

Never say never.

Yep, I would agree with most if not all of that.

I pretty sure that there have been no rigorous studies, and certainly no conclusive studies, relative to the causes of the modern phenomenon of transgenderism.

Like me, you will inevitably lack a lot of relevant data.

I'm not even sure if it's possible to know everything.

And if you're not even concerned with the veracity of data, or the presenters thereof.

How can one be expected to give any credence to your reinterpretation.

Yep, I tend to agree with you.

I much prefer more of a conversational forum.

When presented well, a lot can be said in a few words.

Pole shifting.

Just got to run with it.

Scary is a concept.

Cosmic events don't do scary.

I await IlDiavolo.

I imagine that they are preparing a thesis, as we speak.

According to which ancients?

It seems illogical not to stay and colonise and dominate.

I base this upon Zed's Law of Universal sameness.

Though based upon Zed's Law of Universal sameness,

They wouldn't have turned up in the first place.

The problem I have with special ancient people, is where are they?

Now, I can certainly posit my own answers to this question.

But it still seems illogical that they are not here.

"Political prisoner" allows for the inference of specialness.

Though tends to apply to someone imprisoned on the basis of espousing or protesting  anti-establishment ideology, rather than committing an actually crime such as murder or manslaughter.

Depends upon who made the documentary.

Documentaries tend to be propaganda sponsored by an agenda.

Perhaps you have a similar agenda?

Time will tell, if you stick around.

Hopefully you will stick around, as a fresh face will add to the conversation.

Regards.

22 times and failed.

Very poor attempt.

Or a very short blade.

Jews, Judaists, Zionists are not a separate species.

They are just a separatist group based upon religious and historical assumptions.

Probably closely related to Palestinians and other regional tribes.

Hey, the downside of intelligence is stupidity though.

Sort of a Yin and Yang thing.

I was simply suggesting that in the absence of an auditory device there wouldn't have been a bang.

Money is an interesting social concept.

Gold and property are probably the safest investments.

I'm not sure how safe electronic money can be.

One always felt safer with a wad of notes.

All it needs is a major glitch in electric money management systems and all data could be lost.

As modern money is no more than a data record.

I think that formatively we acquire a sort of operating system of data, which stays with us for life, and is never forgotten unless we experience a system malfunction.

Though for sure, as we get older we can acquire and utilise new data, though you will find that this new stuff is less significant in terms of how we interact socially, and also easily forgotten if not utilised regularly.

Which isn't to say that there are not extreme strategies for re-programming.

0.01%.

Just about better than a kick in the balls.

So we can remove our supporters badge, but cannot erase the memories.

Have a nice day Mr. Bro.

Inherent meaning.

A. Inherent metaphysical meaning, as in the transfer of abstract concepts.

B. Or physical meaning, as in the transfer of DNA and cognition.

Though both are the providers of inherent meaning.

As they are inextricably linked by human data processing.

The ongoing future will have ongoing specialism.

And for sure, this niche has been special, but it will eventually be unsustainable.

So we either seek out a new niche or Earth based intelligence will become extinct.

I think that we are sort of in agreement, even though our hypotheticals are sketchy.

HaHa.

I would suggest that the new normal is relentless, ongoing and unstoppable.

Just like getting old and not keeping up.

I would further suggest that technology and social media dictates the new norm now.

Modern culture is now a global phenomenon, though it may encompass vestiges of old culture.

You're already sounding out of date.

Just like Emile.

Simply because, you were conditioned previously.

It happens to us all...We lack the ability to continuously re-programme.

Hey, he just removed his badge Mr. Bro.

Who or what converted the waves into noise.

Methinks that it was actually the big silence.

Unless GOD was there with a tape recorder.

MAD.

Who's daft enough to try their luck?

Well.

Currently transcendent in terms of achievability

Though if we (in some form or another) are to be along for the entire evolutionary ride, then we have to accept that the future is out there somewhere.

This niche is unsustainable. 

Nice.

Being  conditioned to accept a new normal is the norm.

I'm not sure who or what works  it all out.

But it just seems to happen.

Pre-conditioned older folk like myself either keep up or don't bother.

There's numpties,

And then there's clever numpties.

True dat.

Anyone over 75,

Can't be trusted.

Hmmmm.

Needs work.

Well.

Material evolution is ongoing and undeniable.

And all mechanisms and outcomes are naturally occurring, despite what we might think.

Ultimately the niche environment is out there somewhere in the vast universe, and I don't expect many Earth dependent organisms to be along for the ride.

And that includes most human organisms or hybrid entities too.

So I guess that most, if they still remain, will have to stay and fight it out until the end.

I almost agree.

Though there are assholes, who will always consider superior beings to be assholes.

I say beings, because there are other intelligent evolutionary possibilities to consider.

A.I. and hybrid technology must be factored into the equation.

Gotta be right.

Nihilism and atheism are two separate issues.

Nihilism in itself is a contradiction.

Professing to be nihilistic, is purposeful.

So:

Hitler was conditioned and driven by the events of his life, particularly WW1 and nationalism.

Though:

Like most dictators, was Hitler also driven by a desire for power and wealth?

Or were these just the consequential trappings of his overwhelming nationalistic desires?

A. "Gender identity" is influenced by ongoing socio-psychological ideas and  pressures.

B. Whereas the reality of gender is dictated by biological factors...

C. And maybe environmental influences such as food, water and atmospheric contamination/changes etc.

Though I think  that it would be incorrect to suggest that A cannot influence B...Nor can C not  influence B and  influence A.

The modification of the species in this way, maybe an inevitable  universal evolutionary  necessity.

And it would also be foolish to ignore ongoing technological development and the role it plays in material progression.

Free will, as in random uninfluenced behaviour, is unlikely to be possible.

Even the mad-person responds to a stimulus....Don't they?

If there is no evolutionary purpose then nothing matters anyway.

But if there is a purpose, then I'm suggesting that we are reaching a stage where knowledge and technology are key and billions of worthless human organisms will be an unnecessary distraction.

An ageless super-race will/must prevail.

Natural selection.