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Trump, Blue Lives Matter & The Fallacy of America As A Nation

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TheAtheist
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After watching the news over the past few weeks, It's becoming more evident that America is nothing more than a joke of a nation. From immigration to crooked politicians, the US can now be labelled as a true fallacy. Law enforcement is still doing dirt on camera and are still getting away with it. The blatant disrespect to each other is out of hand, and the scam that's known as blue lives matter has fully been exposed as just another American fraud. America is an empire, but it's far from great. If you asked most logical-minded people, then would totally agree that country never was great to begin with. As with all other empires throughout time, this country will come to its knees.

If you disagree with my argument, then you're more than welcome to discuss it with me. As with all my arguments, I'm simply looking to create dialogue rather than trying to win a debate.

I saw no new stats to prove new claims :/
You thought you beat me on the crime rate point, then I used your own source to disprove you. Now you tried changing the goal post back to total crime despite my explanation of why majorities skew these numbers. Blacks do disproportionately large amounts of crime, while whites and Asians do disproportionately low amounts.

I hope you realized how foolish you were trying to fight indisputable statistics. Not even your liberal-biased sources could twist the truth enough to help your point.

Now take care as well, read sources before you cite them, and at least pick a topic that is hard to disprove next time.
Cheers!
:)

Part 2: In conclusion, since whites are #1 in Hate Crimes, Multimillion-Dollar Ponzi Schemes, Bank Fraud, Rape, Tax Evasion, Larceny, Bank Robberies etc., there's no possible or logical way that any other race could close the gap.

You guys take care, keep studying & pick your battles wisely the next time.
Peace!

Part 1: In conclusion, this is a crime debate which includes (all) crimes. Stats show that whites were #1 in five different crime categories courteous of meth use. Yes, whites use meth more than any other groups. Nope, I didn't seek meth-related crimes. The arrest logs stated that the majority of those crimes were committed by white-meth users.

As you guys say..."the stats don't lie."

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@bmdrocks21

Use your enemy's strength to your own advantage. If he's too stupid to be beaten with statistics, we can just roast him and call it a day.

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@TheAtheist

I think he is triggered now. He is making a lot of mistakes and has a really sassy tone. Lmao

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@mairj23

First off, your source says "fifty to seventy" percent of property crime. Why did you only provide the larger end? Belief perseverance, obviously. I couldn't find any statistic showing that white people significantly used more meth. Plus, you are trying to use transitive theory to prove that whites commit crime instead of citing the actual statistics. Again, look at the crime rates. I think you might learn something.

Plus, you provided some crazy quote and cited ABC without using a link for either.

I never said white people were majority attacked by blacks. People are generally attacked by people of their own color, but black on white crime is much more common than white on black crime. One such instance, homicide: 533 whites killed by blacks, with only 243 blacks killed by whites. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

You left out some important statistics from your colorlines article: white on white crime: 12 as you said. Black on Black? 16.5 That is higher, is it not? Also, white on black:2.8 black on white:3.1 So, black people commit higher rates of crime against themselves than white people do against themselves. Black people commit more crime(total) against whites than reverse. Perhaps you should read your articles before citing them.

The only person that you have made appear stupid is yourself. You are fighting claims I never made. Why are you comparing monoracial crime rates to biracial crime rates? Because biracial crime rates are lower and they appear to fit your narrative.... until you evaluate the same statistics but flip race to blacks. We have proven together that Black crime rates are higher. Congrats!

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@mairj23

I already said, none of your statistics disprove the official government ones. You're saying "class dismissed", are you a teacher? If yes, I'm very concerned for the education of your students.

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@TheAtheist

The funny thing about it is that I'm whooping your a** with your very own statistics.

CLASS DISMISSED.

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@bmdrocks21

Source? https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/10/23/white-supremacists-favorite-myths-about-black-crime-rates-take-another-hit-bjs-study

"The BJS study demonstrates plainly that this is simply not the case. Some 57 percent of crimes involving white victims were committed by white perpetrators, while only 15 percent were committed by blacks, and 11 percent by Hispanics."

Yep, your ridiculous arguments are getting destroyed very easily so be careful of what you ask for.

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@bmdrocks21

Source? https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/10/23/white-supremacists-favorite-myths-about-black-crime-rates-take-another-hit-bjs-study

"Indeed, the rate of white-on-white violent crime, it found, is about four times the rate of black-on-white crime.
White supremacists frequently like to manipulate crime statistics in order to claim that nonwhite minorities, particularly African-Americans, are far more crime-prone and the source of most violent crime against whites. Indeed, it is a core belief that this is the case, and many white nationalist ideologues."

I'm kind of making you look stupid right about now...aren't I?

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@bmdrocks21

Source? https://www.colorlines.com/articles/3-stats-department-justice-disprove-racist-talking-points-crime

White-on-White crime exceeds Latino-on-Latino crime rates, as well as those for crimes committed across races.
“During 2012-15, the rate of White-on-White violent crime (12.0 per 1,000 White persons) was about four times higher than Black-on-White violent crime.

Are we starting get the picture of who's committing the most crimes??

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@mairj23

None of what you said disproves the OFFICIAL goverment statistic: 13% of the population commits 50% of the crimes. That is a FACT. And also, I thought you said you didn't trust statistics? Aren't statistics just numbers?

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@bmdrocks21

Source? https://www.colorlines.com/articles/3-stats-department-justice-disprove-racist-talking-points-crime

White violent criminals disproportionately attack White victims.
“Among White victims, a higher percentage of victimizations were committed by white offenders (57 percent) than offenders of any other race. White victims perceived the offender to be Black in 15 percent of violent victimizations and Hispanic in 11 percent.”

Should I keep going?

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@bmdrocks21

Chief Justice Wayne Martin said "95 percent of armed robberies and up to half of all murders could be attributed to white people taking methamphetamine, also known as ice or crystal meth." Source? ABC.net in 2015.

Do you want me to keep going???

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@bmdrocks21

Fifty to 70 percent of all property crimes are committed by meth addicts. This includes burglary, shoplifting, motor vehicle theft, arson and vandalism.

Proof? https://www.narconon.org/blog/narconon/why-crime-is-a-direct-result-of-meth-addiction/...Since we all know that whites consume the most meth, whites have just topped list in 5 different categories.

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@mairj23

I do properly put sentences together. Everyone can comprehend what I'm saying. Perhaps you cannot, though.

I said that rates are all that matters in terms of crime, and whites have the second best crime rates in America. In Africa, blacks commit most crimes. In China, Asians commit the most crimes. In any country with a large majority, their demographic will always commit the most crime. That is why you need to evaluate rates. Do YoU uNdErStAnD?

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@bmdrocks21

You basically called me stupid and low IQ so I'm simply showing everyone who reads this thread just how stupid you are.

You're now blaming your phone because you can't properly put a sentence together? Yeah....sure....ok.

Did you not say that whites commit the most crimes? You've basically answered your own question.

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@TheAtheist

Wise words coming from a guy who thinks that Caucasian converts are the real Jews. Do you even know what the word convert means?

The word Jew comes from the root word "Judah," which are the (12 Tribes of Judah) and whites have No relation to the Hebrew bloodline.

I bet you feel as stupid as you look right about now.

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@bmdrocks21

Good point.

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@TheAtheist

You see, knew roughly what a compound adjective was and that it typically needs a hyphen. He applied it wrong, but if we knows that much about grammar, he can't be as stupid as he acts like he is. He is a troll

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@bmdrocks21

I don't think he is a troll. Even trolls aren't that stupid. This kind of stupidity cannot be faked, he is 100% sincere in what he says.

My source: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43. Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of most crimes based on their population size

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@mairj23

Had I called you a "low-IQ black" it would require a hyphen. That probably would have been better wording, but how I wrote it was correct. You can attempt to criticize grammar structure when I type on a phone, but you are making yourself appear to be an imbecile by not answering any questions. You provided no statistics on the opioid claim

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@bmdrocks21

I deserve at least a thank you for helping you with your poor grammar.

You made another blunder when you wrote low black IQ. The correct term is (low-black IQ) with the hyphen separating the words "low" & "black" because both words are describing the same subject.

Next time, you may want to pick your battles wisely because I'm literally exposing how low your IQ is on a public forum.

P.S. Meth & Opioid-related crimes alone outnumber any amount of crimes that blacks commit. Peace!

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@TheAtheist

Don't fret over this fool. He is an obvious troll account. Perhaps he is mentally challenged and doesn't know how cite sources or respond to questions. I would suggest debating him, taking the free win, and then ignoring him.

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@TheAtheist

Hey Einstein, Are you aware that Jew & Jewish are two different things?

Those people in Israel today (Converted) to Judaism in 1948.

It seems like the more I teach you guys, the dumber you get. It's a dam* shame that a Black man knows more about your history than you do. LMAO!!!

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@mairj23

In other words, you will neither address any of my questions, nor will you provide any sources. Again, the 85 IQ is really showing. The low black IQ is very well-documented.

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@TheAtheist

Arguments? Your buddie, whom is a white guy, already said that white people commit the most crimes. What else do you want me to say?

Now you're trying to play the victim? Really?

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@mairj23

And I love how instead of countering my arguments, you call me stupid and attack my profile picture.

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@mairj23

I don't even know what to say. You think that Ben Shapiro is not a Jew? I'm done.

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@TheAtheist

Anyone who claims to be an Atheist is painfully stupid my dear.

My goodness, the stupidity of using the pic of a white guy who's claiming to be a Jew. Maybe I should add "culture vulture" to the white list of crimes.

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@mairj23

STOP. DENYING. REALITY.

African Americans are responsible for 50% of crime in the US despite only being 13% of the population. That is a FACT. It is undisputable. I've explained why this happens, and my explanation is perfectly logical. You can't just pull random statistics out of your ass and claim that whites are at fault for everything. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT THE CASE. I have to write in caps because you are so painfully stupid.

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@bmdrocks21

When arguments get shutdown with Facts, there goes the IQ nonsense.
At the same time, this clown couldn't write a proper sentence if you paid him. The madness of his run-on sentences reflects his (unintelligence).

Word of Advice: Never start your sentences with the word "And" because it's a conjunction. He also begins his sentences with the word "If," but he hasn't even learned to insert a comma before the word "Then" if the word "Then" is in the middle of the sentence. He's also using parenthesis when he's suppose to be using brackets...Why are you starting your comments with the word "Because?"...Recessive genetics at its finest...Wow!

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@bmdrocks21

Struck a nerve didn't I?
Whether it's per capita or total-raw numbers, whites commit more burglary, rape, murder, manslaughter, Ponzi schemes, bank robbery, hate crimes, petty theft, meth misconduct, domestic abuse, tax evasion, bank fraud, school shootings, church shootings etc. on an annual basis & it's documented.

As your good old Christian Bible states. "the wicked shall perpetrate crimes and Not hold themselves accountable." It's amazing how certain scriptures reflect the nature of certain people.

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@mairj23

Black homicide rate is 13.19 per capita rounded. Last FBI statistics showed 9468 total homicides in the US. If the entire US population had the Black murder rate, it would be 43,424 per year, almost 5 times larger. So.... care to rebut that with stats rather than reference "the news" ambiguously?

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@mairj23

"And which race has worst per capita crime rates for most of if not all violent crimes and property crimes? (hint:not whites)" I was referring to this. Raw numbers mean nothing because of the population disparity. You are living proof that the average black IQ is 85. Now answer my question, are my statistics correct or not? Because if they are correct they prove my point about afro American crime rates. If they are wrong, you can't claim that the raw numbers claim I made was correct because I got those numbers from the government statistics you distrust.

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@mairj23

Im sorry, did you provide evidence,I did-black men commit nearly half of all murders in this country, which is astounding when you take into consideration the fact that they only make up 12-13 per cent of the population.,

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@bmdrocks21

Lol. Some crimes? It's a good thing that I took a screenshot of what you actually said which is..."And your non-existent stats have no credibility. The only reason white people have higher amounts of crime is because they are a majority."

So, did you not say that?

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@Dr.Franklin

If blacks committed the most crimes then why do whites rank at the top of each crime category that I listed.

I rest my case.

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@TheAtheist

From Genocide to Mass Murder to Serial Killers, whites are #1 and it can't be disputed.

History will always hold more weight than random stats especially when the stats are being written by the actual perpetrators.

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@mairj23

Actually Blacks commit more crime because Democrats run their communities

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@TheAtheist

Yes, on average blacks are less wealthy as whites but when you look at reality, whites top the list in burglary, grand theft, hate crimes, murder, manslaughter, bank robbery, petty theft, Ponzi schemes, meth arrests, domestic violence, school shootings, church shootings, work-force shootings, murder/suicide, bank fraud, nightclub shootings etc.

And that's just the simple reality of it.

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@mairj23

I didn't troll, LOL but anyway Dr.Franklin comes from an inside joke with my friends, look it up

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@mairj23

Oh, and by the way, I was using those government statistics that you claim are falsified, so..... are they right now? (Plus, to be fair, Hispanics and whites are both added under "white", so blacks commit more murder and robbery than all white people and Hispanics combined)

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@mairj23

I said for some crimes. For instance, blacks commit over half of all murders. If you would actually read what I said, you would see that I was discussing crime rates, not raw numbers. That is because I'm pointing out the fact that, as your population grows, America will become a crime-infested hell hole like Detroit, Chicago, and New York.

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@mairj23

You are saying that it's logical for whites to commit more crime, but illogical for blacks to commit more crime. You can have one or the other. Not both.

I'm saying that it's logical for both whites and blacks to commit more crime. However, blacks do and whites don't. It would be logical if whites commited more crime, but they don't judging from crime statistics.

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@mairj23

I've already explained you why, but I will do it again.

The average African-American is poorer, less educated, and more likely to have a single mother. These factors all increase a person's chance to be a criminal. And that's why African-Americans commit more crime than white Americans.

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@TheAtheist

Explain why?...Just refer to your track record on earth.

Better yet, your buddy "bmdrocks21" said it perfectly. He's one of those dumb-smart guys because he actually told the truth to why whites commit the most crime, but at the same time, he shot himself in the foot because it destroyed his own argument.

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@mairj23

Bloody hell. How thick are you? You think that it's illogical for blacks to commit 50% of the crime, but you think it's logical for white people to commit more crime on average? Are you even hearing yourself? You can't just deny statistics with "it's illogical". Please explain how the hell that statistic is illogical.

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@Dr.Franklin

You should change your screen name because you're definitely not a doctor of philosophy in any subject. Lol

If trolling was a crime, then you'd be doing time.