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Being vegan is a crime

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All stages have been completed. The voting points distribution and the result are presented below.

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9

With 9 votes and 30 points ahead, the winner is ...

oromagi
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Twelve hours
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Being vegan should be a crime in my opinion, as as humans should consume meat. My opponent must prove me wrong

Round 1
Pro
Forfeited
Con
thx, Chris
1000cpa = sorry 4 shortcut, abbr.

RESOLVED: BEING VEGAN IS A CRIME

PRO ffs so CON will define a:

VEGAN as "A person who does not eat, drink or otherwise consume any animal products."

&

CRIME as "A specific act committed in violation of the law."

OBJECTION:  It is not illegal anywhere to refrain from meat.

CONTRADICTION: PRO's resolution contradicts assertion found in the description:

"Being vegan should be a crime in my opinion" 

  • If vegan is a crime then no new law is req'd and PRO's point moot.
  • If vegan should be a crime than PRO concedes it is not now a crime and the resolution disproved.

AMBIGUOUS RESOLUTION:  Is this a fact statement or policy proposal? 
Policy debates require a well-defined plan. Are we outlawing aliens from the star system Vega, for example? 
As is, PRO's resolution is a provably false statement, being vegan is no crime nor ought it be.

BOP: Burden is all PRO's to prove that "being vegan" violates some present, specified legal code.


Round 2
Pro
Forfeited
Con
thx, Chris.

extend arguments to R3
Round 3
Pro
Need for Protein
Meat, fish, eggs and dairy products are common sources of protein for most people. Americans who consume these foods typically get plenty of protein in their daily diets, but vegans need to turn to beans and nuts to get enough. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends 46 grams per day for women 19 and older and 56 grams daily for men. Tofu, beans and nuts are rich sources of protein for vegans. For example, a cup of dry beans has about 16 grams of protein, and a 100-gram serving, which is equal to about 1/2 cup, of extra-firm tofu contains just under 10 grams.

Possible Iron Deficiency
Meat, particularly beef, and shellfish are rich sources of iron for omnivores, but it's important for vegans to consume iron-rich foods as well. Iron deficiency can lead to fatigue and problems with brain function. Females need 18 milligrams of iron daily between the ages of 19 and 50, but the requirement jumps to 27 milligrams for pregnant women.
Con
RESOLVED: BEING VEGAN IS A CRIME

DROPPED:

  1. OBJECTION: not illegal
  2. CONTRADICTION: is a crime or should be a crime?
  3. AMBIGUITY: policy debate or truism?

By non-objection, PRO accepts definitions & BOP

CONTENTION #1: PROTEIN  

PRO argues that vegans “turn to beans & nuts” to satisfy daily protein requirements.  I think PRO & CON can agree that might  result in less variety for vegans but criminalization seems like an overcorrection.  Perhaps an xtra peanut butter sandwich at lunch would serve public interests better than criminal penalties.

CONTENTION #2:  IRON

Again, while there is some legit concern about iron deficiency, the problem can be easily addressed by inexpensive supplements, avoiding the many social ills of incarceration, etc.  A single Flintstones  vitamin, for example, provides any vegan with 100% of daily iron requirements and offers a fairly simple workaround compared to the public costs of criminalization & enforcement.


Round 4
Pro
Forfeited
Con
thx, Chris.

extend all arguments to R5

Round 5
Pro
Forfeited
Con
thx, Chris


PRO never established whether this debate's  intent was being vegan is a crime or ought to be a crime.  Either way,  PRO never established a benefit for criminalizing veganism in R3 and forfeited all four other rounds.

CON advises voters to rule full forfeit.

Thanks in advance to voters for their kind consideration.