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Topic
#1187
Being vegan is a crime
Status
Finished
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After 9 votes and with 30 points ahead, the winner is...
oromagi
Parameters
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 5
- Time for argument
- Twelve hours
- Max argument characters
- 1,000
- Voting period
- One week
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
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Description
Being vegan should be a crime in my opinion, as as humans should consume meat. My opponent must prove me wrong
Round 1
Forfeited
thx, Chris
1000cpa = sorry 4 shortcut, abbr.
RESOLVED: BEING VEGAN IS A CRIME
PRO ffs so CON will define a:
VEGAN as "A person who does not eat, drink or otherwise consume any animal products."
&
CRIME as "A specific act committed in violation of the law."
OBJECTION: It is not illegal anywhere to refrain from meat.
CONTRADICTION: PRO's resolution contradicts assertion found in the description:
"Being vegan should be a crime in my opinion"
- If vegan is a crime then no new law is req'd and PRO's point moot.
- If vegan should be a crime than PRO concedes it is not now a crime and the resolution disproved.
AMBIGUOUS RESOLUTION: Is this a fact statement or policy proposal?
Policy debates require a well-defined plan. Are we outlawing aliens from the star system Vega, for example?
As is, PRO's resolution is a provably false statement, being vegan is no crime nor ought it be.
BOP: Burden is all PRO's to prove that "being vegan" violates some present, specified legal code.
Round 2
Forfeited
thx, Chris.
extend arguments to R3
Round 3
Need for Protein
Meat, fish, eggs and dairy products are common sources of protein for most people. Americans who consume these foods typically get plenty of protein in their daily diets, but vegans need to turn to beans and nuts to get enough. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends 46 grams per day for women 19 and older and 56 grams daily for men. Tofu, beans and nuts are rich sources of protein for vegans. For example, a cup of dry beans has about 16 grams of protein, and a 100-gram serving, which is equal to about 1/2 cup, of extra-firm tofu contains just under 10 grams.
Possible Iron Deficiency
Meat, particularly beef, and shellfish are rich sources of iron for omnivores, but it's important for vegans to consume iron-rich foods as well. Iron deficiency can lead to fatigue and problems with brain function. Females need 18 milligrams of iron daily between the ages of 19 and 50, but the requirement jumps to 27 milligrams for pregnant women.
RESOLVED: BEING VEGAN IS A CRIME
DROPPED:
By non-objection, PRO accepts definitions & BOP
CONTENTION #1: PROTEIN
PRO argues that vegans “turn to beans & nuts” to satisfy daily protein requirements. I think PRO & CON can agree that might result in less variety for vegans but criminalization seems like an overcorrection. Perhaps an xtra peanut butter sandwich at lunch would serve public interests better than criminal penalties.
CONTENTION #2: IRON
Again, while there is some legit concern about iron deficiency, the problem can be easily addressed by inexpensive supplements, avoiding the many social ills of incarceration, etc. A single Flintstones vitamin, for example, provides any vegan with 100% of daily iron requirements and offers a fairly simple workaround compared to the public costs of criminalization & enforcement.
- OBJECTION: not illegal
- CONTRADICTION: is a crime or should be a crime?
- AMBIGUITY: policy debate or truism?
Round 4
Forfeited
thx, Chris.
extend all arguments to R5
Round 5
Forfeited
thx, Chris
PRO never established whether this debate's intent was being vegan is a crime or ought to be a crime. Either way, PRO never established a benefit for criminalizing veganism in R3 and forfeited all four other rounds.
CON advises voters to rule full forfeit.
Thanks in advance to voters for their kind consideration.
"Perhaps an xtra peanut butter sandwich at lunch would serve public interests better than criminal penalties."
LOL
Thanks, all 4 voting!
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>Reported Vote: WolfHunterWhite // Mod action: [Removed]
>Points Awarded: 3 points to pro for arguments - 1 point to con for S&G
>Reason for Decision: Being a vegan isn't a crime, only if you are... well... idk shoving your kids into all of this. I have been friends with someone, who thought it was right to force their son into all of this.
Reason for Mod Action> This a full forfeit debate. Voters may not award a balance of points to the forfeiting side
Voter is also ineligible. In order to vote, an account must: (1) Read the site’s COC AND have completed 2 non-troll/non-FF debate OR have 100 forum posts
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Thanks for voting!
Yeah, I completely agree. There are words that we socially should deem unacceptable, but I dont believe in legislating according to our social standards. I think that "retard" can be used correctly to describe the mentally challenged. It seems more respectful than calling them "special".
NTYAB, In that discussion I noted that 'retard,' french for slow, used to be the polite usage compared to more coarse usages: idiot, fool, ass, halfwit, nincompoop, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, cretin, imbecile, dullard, moron, simpleton, clod, etc. I don't think Daffy Duck ever called Elmer Fudd retard because that would have been too polite a word. Now we insist on super-syllabic anti-informational substitutes like "developmentally challenged" that only make the speaker feel better about themselves and offer little enough comfort to the afflicted. I'm gay & deaf myself and so fairly accustomed to adapting the most assaultive invective into amulets of protection. So, I'm okay with retard in most any context.
" I'm for the most part a free speech absolutist." ( It's hard to resist the punchline: "go fuck yourself" ) I also consider myself fairly radical regarding free speech although I often assert that empathy and civility are essential supports of that radicalism. I find the notion of swear words or inherently forbidden words in a secular forum astonishing.
good topic for debate. When debaters request "no foul language" in desc I always comply but fantasize about running the foulest kiritik I can imagine.
I would have to look into that thread. I'm for the most part a free speech absolutist.
A subject that is apparently worthy of a remarkable amount of discussion.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2069/the-word-tard
I see he called club a "retard". Is that a bannable offense?
Was pro banned?
This is the fourth debate where I've been left wondering for how long my opponent is banned....I brought this uncertainty up last week regarding the need for ban log.
intel is fuzzy but I think its a ban, temp or perm based on some interaction w/ Club and/or ALT stuff.
Did he delete his account?
It was SOMEBODY not Somebody.
naw, Somebody hasn't been on DART for months.
https://www.debateart.com/participants/Somebody/debates?type=finished
free win for SOMEBODY
Good. Thx, Chris.
Im sorry, the 1,000 characters was a typo I meant to put 10,000. Abbreviations and links do not matter its fine
thx, Chris: I really like this short format. Do you have an opinion about abbreviations and/or links to citation?
How are you going to tell me what my debate is about sir. My points are that it is unhealthy and hurt the earth thats why i say its crime. You proved my point by bringing up smoking being unhealthy and should that be banned
"How can you prove that all humans being vegan would hurt the Earth?" Look it up
Yes smoking should be banned
Humans can get proteins from not only meat, but mushrooms, beans, some grains, etc. How can you prove that all humans being vegan would hurt the Earth? And also, this debate is not about whether vegans are unhealthy or hurt the earth. This is about if vegans should be banned, and your reasons are not enough for banning them. Smoking is unhealthy, should we ban smoking?
Humans need protein and you get protein from meat. If every human on earth became vegan that they would have a negative impact on earth
Not my problem
Why do so many American christians think that athiests want to make religion a crime?
I mean, I get that is what the propaganda your church and society throws at you but isn't it pretty obviously not true?
Just because I don't agree with Christians, doesn't mean I want to make Christianity a crime. Don't commit the strawman fallacy here.
Being vegan does harm? To who and how? Doesn't being vegan do less harm, since they don't kill animals?
Hi your welcome. Nice game of thrones debate. I'll let u make your first argument
Would you say that same statement towards Christians?
Being vegan does more harm than good
Bingo
Huh? Why should someone's personal choice that affects no one be a crime?
easy win to Con
He does have a huge burden of proof. I love to eat meat, but the research I have seen shows vegan diets can be really healthy. There are a lot of other reasons this wouldn't make sense, but I won't back seat debate.
That’s what the man said. 1000 words is tough. I wonder if Chris will allow heavy abbreviation and link in comments?
12 hours per argument?
Thx, Chris
https://www.debateart.com/debates/736
I would like to accept, but I need a break from debating. I'm mostly vegan.