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Topic

ESP is real

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With 2 votes and 14 points ahead, the winner is ...

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Round 1
Pro
Idk what to do with this debate. The atheist has agreed to change it to magic is real. So thank you.
At first i was going to say that the dog being able to sense emotion and cancer was a six sense. But scientist have dismissed this as a dog is able to smell  cancer and reads body emotions. I  believe that they still don't know what is happening and these are just theory's to explain the unexplained Given that they still do not know why  animals can sense natural disaster before it happened. I know that if i argue against there scientific reason  for why this happen. The debate would turn into a debate where TheAtheist just says they say its because the nose and i would say i don't think that is correct over and over again. This sorta six sense is seen again in emotions. a bunch of babies who were physically fine died from lack of love in the 40s. But that just means survival of the fittest is not true and gods morale system is in play. Anyway almost every ancient culture documents Magic as part of there history.I don't think they would have documented it as history unless it was true. Magic is used today. George W bush had a bunch of school children chant kite hit steal plane Must. Seconds after  they chanted this the twin towers was struck by an airplane and what we call 911 happened. Clearly the ritual worked. George Bush was doing his No kid left behind program where school's screw kids even more. Anyway George W bush got a lot of flack for being in a classroom with a bunch of students reading stupid books like the pet goat when 911 was happening. So Summary so George bush did a ritual where its magic came true. you might be a liberal so you might be blinded by god. So this might be 4th wall breaking. I am curious how you would respond.

SOURCES


"The Pet Goat," known for the book the President was reading to the children upon being informed by Andy Card that a second plane had struck the World Trade Center


This is the most clear ritual i have ever seen. Our president had the kids chant kite hit steal plane must over and  over and over again in a weird satanic ritual before the plane hit the world trade center


This is a must watch it is at 5:27. Very scary



Most of these deaths were not due to starvation or disease, but to severe emotional and sensorial deprivation – in other words, a lack of love. These babies were fed and medically treated, but they were absolutely deprived of important stimulation, especially touch and affection.



Con
Preface:
Thank you to my opponent for this debate and let's begin.


My Position:
My opponent and I have agreed to change the topic of this debate from "ESP is real" to "Magic is real". My opponent should win if he proves that magic is real. I should win if I prove that we don't have enough evidence to conclude, beyond a reasonable doubt, that magic is real.
Think of this like a court trial, where my opponent is accusing magic of existing, and I am defending it. In order to win the trial, I don't have to prove that my defendant is innocent, I just have to prove that he is not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.


Definitions: 
My opponent has not offered any definitions, so I will offer some myself to avoid semantic issues.

  • Magic - the power of influencing events by using supernatural forces.
  • Real - having an objective reality of being.

My Case:
Like I explained in My Position, I don't have to prove that magic is not real.  I just have to prove that we don't have enough evidence to conclude, beyond a reasonable doubt, that it exists. I will be doing this by analyzing each of Pro's points and demonstrating how they are not enough to conclude that magic is real.


I. Magic was documented in history.
"Anyway almost every ancient culture documents Magic as part of there history.I don't think they would have documented it as history unless it was true."
Claiming that magic must be real just because every culture has told stories about it is an Argumentum ad Populum fallacy. Just because many people have believed the claim that magic is real does not make that claim more sound. Millions of flies believe that poop is a tasty snack, but that doesn't mean humans should all start eating feces for dinner, does it? What ancient cultures believed is irrelevant, and they also believed many things which we know are not true, such as a flat Earth. The fact that many people believe in magic is not enough to conclude that said magic must be real.


II. George Bush used magic to cause 9/11.
"George W bush had a bunch of school children chant kite hit steal plane Must. Seconds after  they chanted this the twin towers was struck by an airplane and what we call 911 happened."
The article my opponent provided does not mention anything about President Bush making the kids say magic spells to cause the collapse of the World Trade Center. My opponent is being dishonest by presenting us a source which does not support his claim. The YouTube video my opponent gave does make that claim, but it provides no evidence and just accuses Bush of saying that. It's not wise to trust a random conspiracy channel on the Internet that makes claims such as "Bush is the Anti-Christ". Based on the evidence we have, we can conclude that the 9/11 attacks were caused by two airplanes with terrorists and not a bunch of kindergartners chanting satanic spells.

"George Bush was doing his No kid left behind program where school's screw kids even more. Anyway George W bush got a lot of flack for being in a classroom with a bunch of students reading stupid books like the pet goat when 911 was happening"
This is irrelevant. We are arguing about whether magic is real or not, not whether George Bush was a competent president.


Conclusion:
So far, my opponent has not provided any sound evidence to conclude that magic is real. I strongly suspect that he is trolling right now, because I find it hard to believe that a real person would seriously think that liberals are blinded by God and that George W. Bush is the Anti-Christ. If my opponent had better examples of magic being real, he would've presented them. The fact that those are his best ones shows that his case is absolutely terrible. Voters, please consider my opponent's conduct and grammar: he said that liberals have been "blinded by God", his formatting is bad, and many of his sentences are not capitalized.









Round 2
Pro
Thank you the atheist. for taking this on.


New point

Lets say i have 3 pounds of corn seeds. Lets say i grow 180 pounds worth of corn with those seeds and 40 pounds of water was used to grow it.

180-43=137


Where did all this extra weight come from. 43 pounds turned into 180 pounds

Were did the extra 137 pounds come from.

The extra 137 pounds of corn magically came from nothing.



#God Created life from nothing.

Rebuttal
The link was not suppose to say bush did ritual with kid. i was just confirming this to be a real event.
in the video bush does not right out and say this is a ritual the teacher performs it by saying kite hit steal plane must in unison.
ancient people talked about magic as if it were fact. This is because it is fact.




Con
Forfeited
Round 3
Pro
George bush did a ritual
Con
Forfeited