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Left wing policies are better for the economy

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With 2 votes and 7 points ahead, the winner is ...

Nemiroff
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It may seem counter intuitative at first with republicans being the business friendly party. However history shows truth, and being existing business friendly isnt the same as overall market friendly. Being chummy with businesses often stifles competition. A left wing equally regulated economy is far more free and fair then a right wing subsidized economy where hand picked businesses get unfair tax benefits while acting with maximum impunity.

Round 1
Pro
Premise 1. This is a bit anecdotal as presidents dont have total control over the economy, but it is a consistent pattern going back many presidents. And a pattern is very clear. Democratic presidents have seen greater stock market growth, and stronger other economic indicators



Premise 2. Blue states, with their high taxes and extra regulations have the biggest economies, generate most of the nations wealth, and house most of the major companies. Why havent the taxes and regulations driven companies out? Because taxes arent bad. They paid for the roads and security those companies appreciate. They also educate the public that will become their workers and consumers. Support for the public in the form of higher wages, sanitation, etc also allows for a steady, and healthy, consumer base. It has its advantages You may disagree with my reasons, but the success of blue states vs red states is objective fact.
Con
Thank you for making this debate. I don't really talk politics much because i believe liberals have been blinded by god. Hopefully that assumption is wrong. By left wing policy i will assume you mean the last 4 presidents because anything past that. The Democrat and republican parties were a lot different.


Anyway that article was from 2012. That was before trump. Trump has had record unemployment the lowest of any president in history. trump added hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs. Of which Obama said he would have to waive a magic wand to get back.Trump has stopped us from just freely giving billions of dollars to china And now china is giving us billions of dollars to our economy. The economy is booming under trump. even though trump has cut so many taxes.




College students like trumps tax plan when they think it is Bernie tax plan.This just shows they just do not like the trump name



Obama was the worst economic president in history. Obama started with a debt of 10 trillion when he left there was 20 trillion. Bad for economy


Obama makes a deal with Iran who we are enemy's with to give 150 billion dollars to destroy our ally's Israel.Bad for economy

Iranian plots financed, bizarrely, by Mr. Obama's giveaways. The mullahs can now echo Lenin: "The West will supply us the rope to hang them.



Obama gives 221 million dollars to Palestinians our enemy's before leaving office.Bad for economy


Obama gives 1.5 billion dollars to Muslim's by bypassing congress. Bad for economy.He is funding terrorism.Tax dollars at work



It cost 100 billion dollars for illegal immigration. This economic disaster. It is the dems fault because democrats are colluding with Mexico. 900 thousand illegals are allowed to vote in California

A FAIR study in 2017 found illegal immigrants are a net consumer of taxpayer benefits worth more than $100 billion a year, not including the cost of enforcing the border.
Conclusion

Trump is economically great. Obama was freely giving out billions of dollars to questionable causes. While we were in debt. Bill was terrible  bush was a bit least terrible but still pretty terrible. Obama is the worst finance person on the planet who was giving billions to destroy. Anyway Obama was terrible for finances ten times worst then bush was. I will go into the Clinton in next round they are no better



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Premise 2. Blue states, with their high taxes and extra regulations have the biggest economies, generate most of the nations wealth, and house most of the major companies. Why havent the taxes and regulations driven companies out? Because taxes arent bad. They paid for the roads and security those companies appreciate. They also educate the public that will become their workers and consumers. Support for the public in the form of higher wages, sanitation, etc also allows for a steady, and healthy, consumer base. It has its advantages You may disagree with my reasons, but the success of blue states vs red states is objective fact
Taxes are not bad when there going to roads and infrastructure. Most of our Obama tax dollars went away to other country's as gifts.

support for the public in the form of higher wages,
That is only if you have a government job. Meaning if your a crooked politician with a mansion. The government aint paying for a McDonald salary. plus about the money for education is a joke. The more education you get the dumber you are.Blue states are not objectively richer then red states. I can name just as many  poor blues states as red states. Coff coff California and New Yorks   homeless crisis Coff Coff



I can even find an article saying red states are getting richer when blue states are getting poorer.

Round 2
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Round 3
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Round 4
Pro
The result of a single administration is anecdotal. This is not a centralized economy, and even if it was, our divided government does not give all power to the president. It is a consistent pattern over many administrations that makes my proof powerful. Im glad we agree about the benefit of taxes, but foreign aid under obama was a fraction of us spending, around 1% as it has been and continues to be under trump. Your information is wrong.


Blue states have high homelessness because they have high rent because their land is desireable and many people want to live there. I will not dispute that red states are growing faster. When all you have is a penny, finding a penny is like growing 100%. not hard to grow fast when your so small. Your claims about education are unsubstantiated, and the government can ensure your McDonalds salary pays a normal wage for the richest country in the world. 



Re: your claims about trump.
Unemployment has been dropping consistently since obama ended the recession. If i make the largest fortune, then you inherit it and make a few more bucks, yes you now have the largest fortune, but you dont get the credit for building that fortune. All growth indicators are *slowing down* under trump, and economic warning signs are going off regularly. It is telling when most of your success happens when you first come into office before you actually do anything. 

Trump is also Building debt as fast as obama, except obama spent to get us out of a recession, trump is spending like mad during boom times, and possibly leading us into a recession.


The money obama gave to iran was irans money frozen by sanctions, not american money. And it was released as part of the nuclear deal. 

In line with my argument, trumps ?right wing? economic policies are terrible in comparison with left wing economic policies. Also, please properly research your facts. Im sorry it took me so long to respond, but between your reason for accepting this debate "it was debate number 777" and your often unsunstantiated conspiracy theory claims (us colluding with mexico on immigrants, illegals voting, and total misunderstanding of how tarrifs work) were rather discouraging.
Con
Con brings trump cuts foreign aid money. This is strange since i always here dems saying we should stay out of the affairs of other country's. He try's to say what happened under trump happens under Obama. Obama increased foreign aid by 80 percent. Most of that money was given to our enemy's.
According to cons article trump cut foreign aid And undid obama stuff. That means trump helped under trump.


Blue states have high homelessness because they have high rent because their land is desireable and many people want to live there. I will not dispute that red states are growing faster. When all you have is a penny, finding a penny is like growing 100%. not hard to grow fast when your so small. Your claims about education are unsubstantiated, and the government can ensure your McDonalds salary pays a normal wage for the richest country in the world. 
People really think farmers are poor this is simply untrue. Red states are not poor. The usa is the largest supplier of agricultural.


Its a bit more 50 50 then what cons and liberals would like you to believe.

9 out of ten of the poorest states are not republican.


Red states are no that poor that a penny is 100 percent growth.


Con try's to say Obama was the reason why trump has a better economy. That is such fake news its disgusting. Obama's era we had 10 trillion dollars in new debt and we were poor. red states voted in someone to hep the economy. Economy is booming what do you think happened. Obama only spent money to get us into debt.

Facts are under obama we were in a recession under trump we got out of it.

Economist say trump is responsible for booming economy not Obama.
Lastly con makes excuses for why he forfeited and he said my argument took 9 days to refute in a name calling way and says my reasons for doing things is stupid



i don't like taxes. Someone who does big pharma for a living would not have a problem with it. at the end of my life i wound provably spend a couple million dollars in taxes where did that money go.They can be a good thing but it is never used to help us. They go to rich people.