Left wing policies are better for the economy
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It may seem counter intuitative at first with republicans being the business friendly party. However history shows truth, and being existing business friendly isnt the same as overall market friendly. Being chummy with businesses often stifles competition. A left wing equally regulated economy is far more free and fair then a right wing subsidized economy where hand picked businesses get unfair tax benefits while acting with maximum impunity.
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A FAIR study in 2017 found illegal immigrants are a net consumer of taxpayer benefits worth more than $100 billion a year, not including the cost of enforcing the border.
Premise 2. Blue states, with their high taxes and extra regulations have the biggest economies, generate most of the nations wealth, and house most of the major companies. Why havent the taxes and regulations driven companies out? Because taxes arent bad. They paid for the roads and security those companies appreciate. They also educate the public that will become their workers and consumers. Support for the public in the form of higher wages, sanitation, etc also allows for a steady, and healthy, consumer base. It has its advantages You may disagree with my reasons, but the success of blue states vs red states is objective fact
support for the public in the form of higher wages,
Blue states have high homelessness because they have high rent because their land is desireable and many people want to live there. I will not dispute that red states are growing faster. When all you have is a penny, finding a penny is like growing 100%. not hard to grow fast when your so small. Your claims about education are unsubstantiated, and the government can ensure your McDonalds salary pays a normal wage for the richest country in the world.
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Debate got trolled... If not just trolling, even when asked, con could not name even a second conservative president to support his case.
Nem
-Democratic presidents are better for the economy.
-Democratic states are better off economically, proving how higher taxes doesn't kill business. No source attached.
R1 note:Nem's second point was great as he anticipated that con would bring up how democratic policies would discourage business and also provided reasons why businesses do/should want more taxes. However, his best point was unsourced.
Cross
-Nem's source is before Trump, Trump has lowered unemployment and thwarted China. Also, Trump cut taxes.
-Cross points out how much debt Obama added.
-He then points out poor economic decisions Obama made.
-He than shows the economic strain illegal immigrants have on the economy
R1 Note: Cross doesn't really prove that right wing policies are better here, just that Trump is good for the economy and Obama is bad for the economy. Nem was able to prove that in an all time sense leftwing presidents performed better and that Blue states were better off economically than red states. His illegal immigrant point is proficient, as it's an example of a left wing policy blundering.
Cross Rebuttals R1
-points out how taxes are okay when they are being spent on roads/infrastructure.
-He says the more education you get the dumber you are, but fails to back this up in any way with a source.
- states how red states are getting richer while blue states are getting poorer.
R1 Rebuttal Note: Cross's only proficient statement was his "red states are improving" point. He tries to address Nem's point about companies wanting tax dollars to go to education by stating education makes you dumber, which is entirely unsourced. Cross's points on spending on roads/ infrastructure are agreed upon by Nem.
R2/R3 Note-Nem forfeits, this is very poor conduct, therefore Cross wins the conduct point. Cross doesn't make any arguments.
Nem R4
-Points out how pointing to only Trump isn't proper as a president doesn't run 100% of the nations economy.
-Also concedes that Red states are growing faster.
-Proves how unemployment has always been falling, so it might not be as a result of Right wing policies.
-Also how Trump is building debt just as fast as Obama.
R4 Note: Nem refuted all of Cross's points, Cross relied way to much on trump despite it being an anecdotal point with many other factors, one of these factors was nems point about trump not running the whole economy, so trump isn't an example of right wing policies succeeding, Nem gives me great reasons to believe Trump has failed economically with the rising debt.
Cross R4
-points out how Trump wasn't just successful because of Obama.
-9/10 poorest aren't republican- the way his source comes to this conclusion is faulty.
Overall Con doesn't try to prove Right wing policies are better, but that Trump has been good for the economy and Obama was bad, Nem proved that nation wide right now Blue states are better off, and left wing presidents were better at running the economy while giving me good reason to believe Trump wasn't good for the economy given how he's increasing the debt by alarming amounts and how Trump may not be the reason for economic growth as he doesn't run the whole economy and unemployment has been falling for years.
Im unsurprised to see the usual quality of conservative discourse.
Im afraid i am not the one mistaken. Your are simply defining a single point on the right wing spectrum, liberitarianism, as the one true conservative. And although you may or may not have your reasons, that is a classic no true Scotsman. What i am referring to is not a cherry picked spot on the spectrum, but the representation of the ed tie mainstream american right, the Republican party, and the policies the right actually implements (vs an equal criteria for left).
And while i understand your frustration with the percieved business stifling regulations, at least they are imposed equally amongst all players within an industry. It is republicans who are prone to handing out company specifc tax exemptions or other benefits competitors do not enjoy. Nothing is worse then crony capitalism where government actually picks the winners and losers.
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I think you may be a little mistaken about right-wing beliefs. Real conservatives, unlike neoconservatives, believe in free markets and equal treatment. Laissez-faire economics, essentially. You mention corporatism when you say the state supports certain businesses through corporate welfare as opposed to others as a form of central planning. This is what fascists, socialists, etc do. Those are all left-wing groups economically speaking.
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oh I see how it is, if it's left wing, it's a WELCOME, if it's a right wing, it's a massacre
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